I loved it, tbh. Found footage is one of my favorite genres, and this really didn't disappoint. It was an interesting point of view that made me feel bad for the MoTW and I'm glad Sam and Dean let her go.
I hate to say it, but I wasn't a big fan of tonight's episode. I couldn't get into the whole handheld camera vibe. It didn't feel like Supernatural to me at all. Then again, maybe it's just because I didn't think there was nearly enough Sam and Dean for my taste. Plus, I think it bugged me that the brothers didn't really seem to have to do anything. The monsters all took care of themselves, and a lot of the answers were provided by camera footage.
I didn't appreciate them resurrecting what was basically Amy 2.0, either. One of the only differences was the fact that neither brother had a connection to this girl. And this time Dean wanted to let her go? That bugged me. It didn't seem consistent, though I suppose his time in purgatory could have changed him. I'm just glad Sam didn't drag it up. We really didn't need that.
Anyway, I respect that they tried something new, but it just didn't work for me.
I have never not liked an episode till now. The filming made my stomach hurt. If u turned it over there u wouldn't have now it was Supernatural on tonight. This is the first time that i didn't like the episode. Never thought I would say that.
This was, BY A WIDE MARGAIN the worst episode of Supernatural ever...and 1 of the worst episodes of any shows I've watched this year. Writers for this ep should be relegated back to doing 90210 or Nikita or whereever they came from. Director probably will have to change his name out of shame. I'm not even a San & dean fanboy. I can live w/o them ons creen for long periods of time, but you need to fill SOME of that time with other primary characters. Cas, Kevin, Crowley, someone??
I loved it, the 3 kids were great. But needed more brothers. When I heard about a 3rd person POV, I expected it to be a brilliant new way to give us insight into the brothers now, but it just ended up showing them doing what we've seen them do for 150 episodes. Robbie Thompson pretty much just wrote for his own original characters, not the brothers. I see Carver is setting up to populate the SPN world with monsters of grey morality. Which is fine with me as long as they're interesting like Benny. But if he trots out Meg as Mother Teresa, I'm going to squeal like an angry pig.
I really enjoyed this episode! #Supernatural #Bitten Great out of the box thinking & <3 how it brings it back home about not always being a monster. I think we can all personalize that in our everyday lives but Dean especially after coming back from the Big P & seeing how it has changed him. Touching & thought provoking. Also paved the way for Benny's episode next week.
Man... this one was tough. I gave it an ok. Why? Because I loved it and hated it. I loved, loved the storyline. I HATED the Blair Witch 'let's film this whole thing' approach. Really hated that. And yes I get why they did it, to set up the ending but frankly it gave me a headache. I also HATED the fact the two main stars of the show had a total of about 10 minutes air time....So much potential was wasted in this one.
I wasn't too big of a fan of the episode either, but just because there's a little grey doesn't mean it's a ne Amy, Amy wasn't the first ''not 100% bad and evil'' monster they ever met in the serie. And I don't think it was too inconsistent from Dean, with the Amy thing he said it himself that one of the reason he killed her was cause he was having hard time trusting anyone after Cass just betrayed him. And the fact that the only person who knew Amy and who decided to let her go was Sam who was having a full-on mental breakout that almost made him kill his brother in the werehouse couple of weeks before...so kind of hard to trust his judment there.
And here there's the personnal reason that if he say that monster = all evil and let's kill them all just cause they're monsters, he'll look bad next week with benny^^;
^^; not nearly enough boy and it took a LONG time to get the episode started...and I didn't like that they had to bring the little ''recap'' at the end with ''in 5 years we'll be...'', we didn't know the characters, so I didn't feel for them in any way
But since I had not too much expectations for this episode, it wasn't lower than I thought it would be. Now I can get excited for enxt week :)
I guess this episode was all personal preference in weather you like this style of handheld camera shooting. Yea Sam and Dean weren't in it that much, but we've seen them for what? 150+ episodes, it's nice to see a little change once in a while guys! I personally loved this episode, a lot better than last weeks episode. This is probably one of my favorite monster of the week episodes.
I was pleasantly surprised. I've never been a fan of Ghostfacers, but I liked this one simply because they didn't play it for laughs. The three kids were very engaging and did a fantastic job. I love that Sam was all ready to go after Kate, but jumped at the chance to let her go when Dean suggested it. Great foreshadowing for what will happen next week. There wasn't a lot of the boys, but I'm OK with that given how well done this episode was. I know the shaky cam stuff isn't everyones cup of tea -- and I'm normally not high on it -- but it worked well in this one and the story kept me interested from start to finish. I really liked seeing how some monsters become monsters despite being normal, good people. Michael didn't ask for it, the other one (can't remember his name) did, and he infected Kate. So which one was truly a monster? I liked how this one made us think about circumstances beyond out control and how they're dealt with.
I'm really looking forward to next week when Sam meets Benny. Dean giving Kate the benefit of the doubt will go a long way in helping Sam understand why he would let Benny live after they escaped. This season is shaping up and I'm much more invested than the last two. Well done so far.
This may be a sign that I'm bored with this show, but I found myself enjoying this a lot more than any episodes in a long time, and I liked the guests. It will probably be a while before I rewatch it, but I'd put it in the top 20% of the season 7 and season 8 episodes that we've seen so far. The first Wincest joke was funny (there really is a lot of drama in their relationship), the second was pushing it a little too hard.
The mythology error of the week: Werewolves in Heart blacked out the period when they wolved out, but these people remembered it.
The head-scratcher of the week: How are Sam and Dean planning on monitoring the girl when she took off for parts unknown?
So I guess the conversation about whether to let her go was the tie in to the bigger storyline?
"I really liked seeing how some monsters become monsters despite being normal, good people. Michael didn't ask for it, the other one (can't remember his name) did, and he infected Kate. So which one was truly a monster? I liked how this one made us think about circumstances beyond out control and how they're dealt with."
Exactly why I liked the episode. We never get to see the full story on how someone got turned and the back story to it.
This is the first time I've ever voted Awful with Supernatural before. It was completely boring and the characters were terrible. The writing sucked out loud and I am a huge fan of Robbie Thompson. I personally hate handheld camera work and bad sound so I was never going to be a fan of that part. However, I never expected to get a cross of Twilight and the Columbine shooting on my screen. There was no entertainment value to me at all and 22 minutes in, I found myself wishing that an Arrow repeat was on instead. That has never, ever happened for me with this show before. Normally I watch an episode at least 2 times the night it airs. I refuse to waste another minute tonight on this tripe.
I love that the SPN writers and directors try different things. It's part of what makes the show so great. And while I noticed the lack of the boys (of course!), I was still really enjoying the episode ... right up to when Dean agreed to let the girl go. It was just way out of character. Most of the monsters don't choose to be what they are. Yes, they let Lenore the vampire go, but they'd gotten to know her, and in the end, when she said she'd started feeding again, they did gank her. Dean could have let Amy Pond go, but he didn't because he didn't believe she could fight her nature. So what makes him think Kate will be able to fight her instincts? Still, in my book SPN can do (almost) no wrong. There may be some episodes that are less amazing than others, but even those are better than 95% of what else is on tv.
Personally, I thought tonight's episode was the worst one out of all 7-8 seasons. Found footage worked for Chronicle. But this time it was just ridiculously stupid. First of all, the underdog friend who's obviously jealous of his alpha male bro and in love with the gf? Who then becomes power-hungry? And screws up everyone else's life? How many times has this storyline been played out?!? Brian was SO annoying that it was painful to watch. So atrociously whiny and pathetic. And from the first shot of them in the restaurant, it was so obvious what was going to happen. Only good part was Blondie (also predictably) ripping his head off after she got bitten.
I know lots of people loved this episode, but probably only because Supernatural as a whole is amazing. It's my all-time favorite show too, but seriously, I don't get how the producers thought this episode would be good. Just pure filler. Except they had a standalone episode last week too.
I don't remember, but the kids remembered their time wolving out too. I missed the part on what defined the "pedigree" part, but wouldn't they just be normal werewolves?
Totally agree. I didn't even just hate it because Sam and Dean were missing. The storyline was SO stereotypical. I don't even get how people that was original. It felt like a really pathetic attempt at Chronicle. Except when the guy in Chronicle became power hungry, he didn't seem like a whiny pathetic brat.
This one took the "the brothers are wallpaper" aspect to a whole new level. They did not have a thing to do except talk to a couple of people and watch a video. I hope Jensen and Jared had a great vacation that week.
For me the difference between Kate and Amy is that Amy killed humans. Kate killed the werewolf that sired her. In fact, she did Dean and Sam's job. I think this is very in character (one of the only pluses in this episode to be honest) because Dean didn't kill Amy's son for the very same reason. He hadn't killed a human. Neither did Kate. All I ask is that we never see Kate again. This episode was quite enough for me of all things associated with it.
I don't really remember , it was when the kids spyed them in the restaurant ^^; It was something about being the first 4 generation from something,.......(from the Alpha maybe? Can't remember) or something like that, that made them special and they joked about ''oh werewolf with pedigree, I hope they brought their papers''
I voted okay. I was bored with the first half of the episode, not enough Sam and Dean, and I'm not into found footage- it felt too much like Ghostfacers II episode without the comedy aspects.
The saving grace for this episode was the last half with the action of the guys fighting, seeing Dean and Sam after they watched the video, and me actually liking the girl towards the end. I can see why Sam and Dean let her go. She hadn't eaten any human hearts, so she did not have the lust for hearts. And she's of pure blood so she is more able to control herself than a werewolf like Madison could.
Total set up for next week's episode though. Dean's camaraderie with Benny has made him more open minded about the possibility of good monsters (something that he has believed once in a while in the past, but more often usually doesn't).
Whether all monsters are bad or not, whether Benny is honest or not, is still in the air. I have a feeling though, with Benny, things may not turn out well. It's a vibe (plus the promo for next week).
The girl from this episode, well, no idea. Eventually she'll probably slip up, but she may last a long time or even less likely, go all the way. She'll be very lucky if that occurs- that she never gets a thirst for human heart. She'll be extremely lucky if she never gets in a position that causes her to animal out and eat a human heart, which would ruin her chances of staying on the right track, and hunters would go after her.
I didn't just hate it because the brothers were missing or because it was found footage. I hated it because I thought the storyline had been done a million times before. Weak nerd living in the shadow of his alpha male friend, instantly falls in love with friend's gf, becomes power hungry and kills the friend. Are the writers serious? The ending was SO predictable.
WOW, what a way to get new fans to the show...NOT. This was not an ep of SPN that I will ever watch again. Don't like handheld camera movies. It was almost as bad as Ghostfacers, the only redeeming quality was it was not played for laughs. I did not vote awful, but poor.
Agreed. The problem wasn't the lack of brothers although that never helps. The problem is that I just watched a pathetic love triangle of whiny teenagers taking their frustration out on camera. Oh and there was a supernatural twist. This is fine for ABC Family or something but this is exactly opposite of what made Supernatural stand out from most of the CW. I have spent years trying to convince people that think all CW shows are teen rubbish to try Supernatural. If this is the episode a newbie watches, they would think I was nuts. If this had been the first episode of Supernatural I ever watched, I would never try another episode. Completely un-SPN like!
First problem - People dont watch network TV to see an episode that looks like a film school drop out shot it for a project he never turned in. THAT is a bigger issue than the lack of the shows main 2 leads.
Second problem - no secondary cast. You can have a Sam & Dean light episode. But you need to fill those gaps with a Cas, Crowley, Kevin, Benny, Meg, Garth, someone the fans are familiar with. Third problem - The characters we were watching were uninteresting (granted I gave up on the ep early...maybe the last 10-15 mins was amazing lmao) and not at all compelling to justify 30+ mins of screen time. There was no backstory on them in previous episodes to suggest we need to care about them. They simply were fillers for air space...problem was, THEY WERE THE LEADS in this episode.
Personal preference of handheld isnt the issue so much as it is that this is NOT what the show is. If I wanted to watch Ghostfacers style video, I'd watch some youtube channel, not a major TV network with a multi million dollar budget. Everyone from the showrunner, right down to the writers failed the fans this episode with the cheap, dull, uninteresting idea. Maybe it sounded better when it was pitched, but it was shot, acted & written terribly.
I agree with it being Super predictable, no pun intended, but never the less i looked at it for what it was and besides I am a fan of the movie chronicle, I've seen it like 5 times and it never gets old for me. This style of filming could be GOOD if done right.
Ha, I was very negative when I saw the previews and synopsis for this episode, and I ended up voting "okay". Guess I thought it would be so bad that it could only be better than what I had in my head. lol
Everyone thought Robbie Thompson was writing so it would be good, but I can see a blah episode a mile away. Every writer has their bad episodes. Some have it worst than others (a lot of the new writers besides Robbie, cause he was good until tonight).
some of the votes for "awful" were probably due to the lack of "Sam and Dean" time. Yeah I would have liked more Sam and Dean but this episode serves as a great set up for what is to come with the story arch this season. We still have 19 episodes left folks! Good things come to those who wait!
If it is four generations from the alpha, then that seems a pretty convenient loophole written in to change the mythology to let this girl go when Madison had to be shot. The girl was two generations down from the professor, and the professor was at least one down from the alpha, so she just made it under cutoff.
To be certain it was that, I would need to rewatch it ...but I have no intention to see it again, at least not before a long time^^;;; if it is that, you may have a point
One more comment about the episode ... if the girl hadn't left the tape for Sam and Dean then they wouldn't have known she was a wolf and she wouldn't be at risk of them tracking and killing her. She was awfully trusting of their compassion considering she didn't even know them. It seemed a bit of a convenient way or working in a "do all monsters need to be killed" into a situation in which there was no need for it.
To be fair, the boys didn't kill Lenore, Castiel did to get things moving. the boys actually offered to put her somewhere she couldn't hurt anyone. And like Sam said about the Rugaru - they weren't going to kill him until he did something to be killed for. I don;t think it was out of character for this Dean to agree to let her go. He's changed since Purgatory -- he can see the monsters side of things after spending a year with Benny and living with nothing but monsters. Sure, he'll kill the evil ones, but Kate said she knew she could survive on animal hearts, and she didn't ask for any of it, so the question is when is a monster really a monster? Amy killed, the Rugaru eventually did, Kate hasn't yet. So I can understand them giving her the benefit of the doubt for now. If she does and they find out, they'll hate themselves but for now, I get it and can't help but agree. I actually liked this ep, and I agree even bad SPN eps are better than most TV. :)
lol I was OK with it, and loved the concept, but the reason for the concept didn't materialize - to give a 3rd person POV of Sam & Dean. My big problem is we learned nothing NEW about them from it. And we know Dean is more open to grey morality already.
My awful vote was because of the entire overall production of it. Horrible acting, horrible camerawork (and I know, it was supposed to look amateur, but it was horrible) & the writers failed at making it an SPN episode as compared to a "random monster movie" feel. Its fine to have no Sam & Dean for long periods in an ep, but you NEED to bridge that gap with secondary characters. No Cas, Crowley, Kevin, Benny, Meg, Garth or anyone else we have a backstory on alienated the fanbase. They were no longer watching an SPN episode as much as they were watching a campy horror movie that Sam & Dean happened to guest star in.
Respectfully disagree. I voted Awful not for lack of SamnDean but because to me it was far worse camera work than GF - and I realize that the GF-ers were "professionals" he, he and these were teens following each other around and wanting to end up completing a movie. It actually gave me a headache, the plot was silly and predictable.
They're retconning monster rules now. I'm not happy at all with that, but Carver clearly is trying to bring some Being Human with him into SPN. I'm not happy with that, but will put up with it if they make good stories as a result. But leave the freaking retconning alone - stop changing the darn universe rules.
How would they know it's her and which local new reports to watch if they don't know where she went? And are they going to track her movements indefinitely? They don't have the manpower to be parole officers for all of the monsters they let walk away.
That's very true, but I think part of what bugged me was the fact that she COULD kill. Yeah, she's only killed monsters so far, and she seems to be really aware of the evils she could commit... but what happens when she's desperate, or in a rage, and slips up? I had forgotten about the fact that Dean didn't kill Amy's son because he didn't have blood on his hands yet, so maybe he isn't as out of character as I thought.
And you're right about the brothers being wallpaper. If someone had tuned in late they'd have a hard time figuring out whether or not the show was actually Supernatural.
Yeah I did not see the similarity to Amy. We've had plenty of "grey" monsters in the past like Lenore and Madison (since Madison was blacking out she had no control over what she was doing, making her human side of her innocent, but the wolf side of her bad).
I hadn't taken into consideration that the Amy debacle happened right after Leviathan!Cas. That would definitely wreak havoc on Dean's trust issues. I still think it's a little crazy that they pretty much said, "Eh. Not her fault. Let's go get a burger.", but hey. I'll give it some more wiggle room.
Your "head-scratcher of the week" was my concern - sure, she seems like a nice girl that understands the horrible things that she could do... but what happens if she slips up? I know Sam and Dean can't feel responsible for every bad thing that happens in the world, but if they could have done something about one of them, I'd think they'd feel pretty remorseful. But it seems like this is going to be a topic where the fandom has to agree to disagree... not that that happens often haha
On your point about secondary characters- yes, yes, yes. It's hard to care about random characters we don't know. I don't mind Sam and Dean light episodes if they focus on secondary characters, but when it's new characters, it's hard to like.
The only person I started to like in the end was the girl. I felt bad for her.
Yeah, you're right! It infuriates me. Retconning the oldest s1 demon should be punishable. I don't want Being Human. Some grey monsters like Benny is fine, but come on! This better not be a trend with demons later.
My awful vote did not come from a lack of Dean and Sam but from a lack of Supernatural. This was a teenage love triangle with a typical underdog turns psycho plot that equally bored and annoyed me. It's the same supernatural teen romance that was all the rage before Hunger Games came out. To be honest it would have been a nice fit on MTV, ABC Family, or another CW show but not on Supernatural, which has tried for years to break out of the CW teen girl drama reputation that people who have never seen it seem to have of it. Prime example of why SPN should never, ever touch love triangles even with guest characters in standalone episodes.
Yeah I did too for the first time.The sl was boring.predicable and I just couldn't bring myself to care if we were intended to see "Amy" situations for Kate and Benny. In addition, :"pedigree" and "pureblood" are terms used on Carver's "Being Human" and in SPN fan fic; the terma have never been used on SPN before.
This one was really better than I expected. I actually enjoyed it. The story line was excellent. It was a much better Meta than we've had before. I love the fact that Dean sat there and then said let her go. The few weeks we have watched kill everything. His heart is still in there. The way Sam was so nervous but happy that Dean would do that, was almost sad. The one funny thing was Dean's concern over saying, "Awesome." He does use it a lot. Still, it's part of who he is. I am glad this one made the cut was filmed. I have even more hope of a great season.
Most likely, that was what is was. New mythology info to fit the season. Cause they could have easily had her eat a heart or have the guy kill her by accident.
The best episode in a long, long time, imo. An episode of SPN hasn't made me feel so genuinely tense and scared for entire seasons. And I'm so glad that, between this episode and Benny, it looks like the monsters-as-people theme looks like it's getting some proper attention and nuance this season. That was one of my greatest wishes for the show. Season gr8 indeed.
I think it was more because the writer wanted Sam and Dean to see what we did, like we were watching with them. Kinda like how Sam and Dean watched the Ghostfacers video, which they didn't have to do. They could have said no.
Okay, let me preface this by saying I'm 1 of like 13 people in the world who liked Ghostfacers. I thought it was funny, okay! But that is just a disclaimer. I wasn't thrilled with this episode. Like most people I could have cared less for the kids they introduced and then murdered. For goodness sake, the blond Meg look alike whimpered and screamed the entire episode--and she's the one who gets to live? Beyond the story being trite (really? the nerdy beta decided to stand up try to take his buff blond alpha friend's girl?) and the new characters painful to watch and the fact that they even had the kids commenting on the brobitching, I had 2 issues. 1) As with much of this season, I feel like they've reverted back to season 1 (2-3) in tone and characterization. We're rewriting mythology, well at least "tweaking" it. We're back to allusions to law school and normal and choices. We've got a faux blond Meg. We're fighting monsters. Sam is dreaming about college and normal and Dean is gunho killer dude mad that little bro isn't following the family plan. It's a weird flash sideways: what would season 3 have been without Kripke and daddy issues and an actual underlying theme paralleled in the mythology? 2) It felt contrived for the express purpose of setting up the choices story and the give monsters a chance story. And when you set it up in this heavy-handed manner that only annoys me, then I think I'm supposed to think that both are wrong. That we shouldn't give monsters chances, because who knows when one is gonna fall off the wagon and kill or turn someone else, and then that victim's life is forfeit without a choice? And it is all really hypocritical, the boys kill people all the time. And that we shouldn't respect choices, Sammy shouldn't get a normal life, because there will always be people to save, and the world needs Ralph--does that make Dean Simon? I mean come on guys, don't start the allusion and not follow through. Yeah, so found footage is tiresome, but even that is less annoying than walking our characters back 6 years and hitting the reset button. Just cause Carver was gone for a while didn't mean the show stopped without him and he gets to pick up where he left off.
I love Being Human US version, but I agree cause this is a different show. And demons have always been so evil for Meg to be goody-two-shoes now just because she and Cas have this weird thing going on, doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure the concept was to give a 3rd person POV of Sam and Dean. I think the point was to show that some 'monsters' are sympathetic and were good people who ended up becoming monsters by no fault of their own. What it showed about Dean and Sam is that they are hunters who can follow a trail and work together to solve a case. They found the professor even without the pin clue, they obviously traced the camera in the office back to Brian, and they learned about these 3 kids and how they became what they became. The purpose was to show us that the Winchesters deal in gray areas and can still make a 'human' decision despite Dean's year in Purgatory and their problems with each other's new outlooks on the job.
I meant by "Amy" situation another "Shades of Grey" situation. Yes,Amy had killed to heal her son but she said she was done killing,Sam believed her and let her go; Dean tracked her down andd killed her. Dean let Lucky the skinwalker get away because he felt Lucky had his reasons, too. Can Benny and Kate resist their natures for the rest of their "lives"? Historically no "monster" introduced on SPN has been sucessful - even Lenore killed under Eve's influence.
Yeah, I like certain romances (usually supernatural creature kinds) so sadly I often have to deal with love triangles, so it's nice when I get a break with other shows I watch like SPN, that have different themes and don't normally have triangles. So when a normally triangle free show has it it's like ahhh - don't go there!
He left off in season 5, he wasn't even around in season 1. I don't like the reboot feel of it either, but I think the "grey" with monsters has been around for quite some time. It's a recurring theme since Lenore and maybe even farther back.
I'm assuming it's the girl from the episode. I'm bad at recognizing people with differences sometimes, in this case, her with long hair and a hat.
With guys, it's often if they have beards. I sometimes need to take second glances. Had that happen to me with a Being Human promotional photo recently. Took me a moment to recognize Aidan.
I gave it an ok vote mainly because it just wasn't the show I've come to love. I felt like I was watching something else. I realize that they have to try new things and I'm completly cool with that, but it just wasn't for me. So far I'm 50/50 with the new season. I know they'll pull off a great season with some episodes I like and some I don't. We all have to remember that you can't please all the people all the time, but I think they're doing a great job trying.
He's bringing the wrong stuff from Being Human I wanted him to bring. :(
For one, Aidan and Josh argue on that show about Aidan's "relapses" with blood drinking, but you can really see the friendship bromance on that show- willing to do anything for each other, and forgive each other for their mistakes/flaws pretty quickly.
I was hoping the forgiving and bromance part would carry to supernatural, not the lore.
Oh dear! I know that you always look for the positives in the episodes and so if you think this one is bad then it must be really terrible. Why is all this happening to my favourite show? :(
I liked Ghostfacers. Lets just start off with that. I don't mind found-footage shows that much. That said, this episode tried very hard to make us sympathize with and perhaps like these characters, and it just .. failed. It dragged. I didn't care about any of them, the only parts I liked were when we got to see Dean and Sam outside of the normal pov.
I can appreciate what they were trying to do with this episode, to show things from another prospective, from those who suffer from these monster attacks and don't have a clue what's going on or why, instea dof from the view points of our heros, but.. it was slow. It dragged. 'Piggy' annoyed the fuuuuug out of me. The other two characters were stereotypical but not as annoying.
Other then seeing some snippets of Sam and Dean, the only other part I liked of this episode is at the end, where we see Sam and Dean in the house in the aftermath, and where Dean is actually the one who says to give the woman a shot. Sure, its a major contradiction to past thinking and actions, but there was something deep and thoughtful in Dean's eyes as he said this. /Real/ deep, and I can appreciate the emotions trying to be conveyed. Plus, I liked seeing the girl head off into the 'sunset'. Liked the scenary and the camera lighting and the sort of 'hopeful' feel of it.
I gave this episode an OK. It didn't feel at all like SPN, but maybe that was the point. Regardless, I still think this season is right on track and the preview of the next episode made me chuckle. I'm looking forward to seeing more Benny.
Well, they explained the non-blacing out part. A werewolf bitten by a pureblood, a werewolf no more than 4 generations away from the Alpha, could remember what happened when they wolfed out, and could control it, they would even live off animal hearts. A werewolf farther down the line could not.
Awesome episode for me. See the story like a behind-the-scenes is really good, know about the victims from another point of view is very interesting. Ok is a little bit of Sam and Dean, but who cares, the dialogue between both at the final is the beginning of arc so I think the showrunner know what his doing.
This episode of Supernatural is like Chronicles meets Teen Wolf meets Sam and Dean hahahaah. I loved it.
I realy liked this episode... I really thought that the 'found footage' format was going to make it hard for me to get into it [as I do not like that style] but the story was so interesting that I found I could over look it. Even though we hardly saw any Sam and Dean in the episode I really liked Michael, Kate, and Brady[?]. I did not like the predictableness, however, it started reminding me of the movie Chronicle. I'm glad we got to see the story from the monster's point of view for once. I did end up feeling bad for all the characters.
You are so very lucky. Let's just say she is a fine example of a lousy human being. Over-exposed on TV here but thankfully there is enough to watch now!
What the hell did I just watch? All the negative things I said about Season 6 and 7... take anything from those seasons and they were better than this. Not to mention I hate the whole "found footage" crap that is way overused.
..i am agree to all the result presented in the poll because this episode had a piece of each preference i dont like this kind of filming makes me dizzy,with all that camera move.was a sam point of view episode about compassion and give a person a new opportunity to survive and dean accept that for a second time ..(DONT FORGET THE FEMALE VAMPIRE)
I thought the story was ok and I thought it was well presented and the college kids did a good job . This was a very " different" episode and really did not feel much like a Supernatural episode. I liked it at first but by the end of the episode I was like why are we revisiting the Amy issue. I was surprised that Dean was not into finding Kate at all especially after he has been all Super Soldier since his return from Purgatory. It seemed inconsistent with how he has been acting. It was also weird that Sam was all gun ho to hunt her and just as equally cool with not hunting her. Just not feeling this episode. I am looking forward to next week and Sam meeting Benny.
I really liked it. I came to a near complete halt with my chores because there was just something really compelling about this story.
The only scene that thumped me on the head was the scene where Sam and Dean killed the professor/pure blood werewolf. The choreography of the fight was weak (I could see the professor waiting for the squibs to go off) and the lack of any make-up effects made it feel like the scene was done on the cheap. It felt too easy and because the actor was, IMHO, really bad the "Thank You' came across as silly. If we were supposed to get a sense that the Professor felt anything glee/sadness/regret about killing people...I got zero sense of it. Did he feel any kind of satisfaction about using this kid as a patsy...it did not come across in his performance. I was completely into the episode until the scene with Brian and the professor.
Am I the only person who though of that old series Werewolf with John J York? When Kate went walking off down the railroad tracks and the ep faded to black that was the first thing that popped into my mind. (Sadly we may never see that series on DVD because of the music rights issues that keep coming up when trying to put older shows on DVD.
Oh! I was really really pleased to get that hint, I was looking for, that the last year changed Dean. His willingness to give Kate a chance to live her life without hurting people is huge (at least to me) in the big picure of the series.
What really surprised me was that I had expected this to be the episode Jensen directed as opposed to last week's episode. Somewhere in the depths of my addled brain I had assumed that, when assigning one of my leads an ep to direct that the script that required the least amount of double duty would have been a good candidate. No judgement. I was just surprised.
I knew that if I liked this episode you and I would disagree about it. Although, I do completely agree....I do NOT want to see Kate again. I think this was the best ending to her story as far as the Winchester boys are concerned.
Well I don't know what everyone thinks but I really loved this episode.It kinda felt like a movie!!!The three teens had a good chemistry and I really enjoed watching how a human reacts to the transformation,We mostly get to see the "monsters" after they are made so it was quite interesting.I didn't even miss Sam and Dean!!!I loved it.And to be honest I liked the episodes with the Ghostfacers as well.
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I generally don't like triangles because they destroy the relationship story. I can't take either relationship seriously if someone is cheating or can't make up his/her mind. If a triangle was ever introduced involving Sam or Dean I would revolt, but in this case I thought it worked. The guests were young. That kind of angst and searching is typical for that age.
I gave it a tepid "ok" vote. It wasn't horrible TV (although it wasn't great either), it just wasn't SPN. And yes the lack of Sam and Dean is one of the key reasons. Hopefully this was just a one time experiment by the SPN folks.
My main question is...once boyfriend got turned and they knew what he was...WHY did blonde chick stick around? Hello? I'm a werewolf, I eat hearts. That would have been enough for me to run the hell away. And then she STILL stuck around after camera boy (no, I don't remember their names) got himself turned on purpose. Uh....okay.
Ah, each year has one of those episodes it seems that you just can't get into.
Contrived is the perfect word. I enjoyed the episode other than that one fact - the ending seemed to contrived to drive home the letting-monsters-go theme - again. I suppose if I hadn't been reading spoilers and didn't know what was coming with Benny, I might not have noticed, but as it is now, I'm already tired of this discussion.
I would have preferred it if they had found the tape in the dumpster, or she had left it behind in a panic. As it was, her choice seemed contrived and it seemed unlikely that a real person would do that.
But we already knew this, they have let people go many times and some of them have killed humans...I did not learn anything new except for the purebred stuff and I am not going to watch this ep again to see if I missed anything there. This ep was just not the show I love and have been faithful to for all these years.
The question has never been whether the creature has killed yet and about delivering justice if it has, it has been about whether the creature is likely a future threat to the population. With Lenore, she made an argument that her vampires weren't killing so they weren't a danger to anyone. They never even asked her if she had ever killed anyone. She probably had when she first became a vampire. But Lenore could prove that she had found a plan for living without feeding on humans and was committed to this plan. And even after she killed under Eve, Sam and Dean were leaning toward letting her go again if they got rid of Eve. Amy also made a case on why she wouldn't be a danger anymore. Sam believed it, Dean didn't. Letting the kid go didn't make any sense because there's no reason to believe that he wouldn't start killing. I'm attributing that to an emotional response on Dean's part. He has trouble being objective with kids. In Kate's case, she made a case as to why she wouldn't be a threat. They chose to give her a chance. With Benny, the question should be whether poses a threat to the public or whether he can prove that he's not a threat. From what we've seen so far, I think he poses a threat and that Dean is making decisions based on emotion rather than logic, but we'll learn more next week.
Another couple of inconsistencies I thought of with the werewolf mythology was the super strength and instant-healing bite marks. Madison didn't have super strength, and I think I remember her showing Sam and Dean her scar from being bitten.
As Peter said, it comes down to different taste. I liked the camera work. I thought it was creative. As for no Cas, Crowley, Kevin, and the same-old same old, I found myself enjoying the break. As for the characters being uninteresting, I found them more fun to watch than most of the guests we've gotten in a long time. I got pulled into their story pretty quickly and didn't need more backstory on them to enjoy what was intended to be a limited, short-term story.
They actually using kill first and ask questions later, that is unless the monster makes a convincing case as to why it is not a threat to anyone. In this case, I think Kate made a good case.
i liked it. i thought the three kids were great and i did like the hand held cam thing. it was an intersting episode despite sam and deans lack of participation but for me it was a shout out to the older seasons of the shows (ghostfacers, which i loved) and that is what i've been wanting from this season so that was great for me
It was alright. I liked that SPN took a risk but the 3 teens weren't strong enough to make up for the lack of Sam and Dean. I found their storyline pretty cliched and the girl was plain annoying in parts.
I avoid Reality TV except for a few on Animal Planet and "Untold Stories of ER". I hardly ever watch the news. I don't read tabloids. I plan on keeping it that way as reality is either too depressing or too annoying. lol
I am a total SPNholic and adore Jensen/Dean and love Jared/Sam but last Bitten left me feeling so empty and ignored. I want to spend my time with Dean adn Sam, not some victim that we are supposed to feel sorry for. With the vics photographind Dean and Sam from a distance, I felt like a spying fan instead of a member of the Winchester family. I hated it...awful doesn't even come close.
Are you all fckng kidding? They never said anything about tracking her. It's just that if Kate starts killing, some hunter ~~maybe even Sam and Dean~~ will end up offing her. That's all there is to it, stop thinking the Winchesters are gonna give up hunting over wolfsitting,
i loved it everything about it lol ...i felt like i watching season 1 or 2 again back to basics ..i am so fed up with all the heavy crap it was good to get a different story..the plot was strong ...it was sad seeing the ending when they will never do what they said they would ...also the effect were very kl and 10 times better than when Madison became a werewolf as in effect btw ...i think dean is fed up with himself as he says "hay sam do i say awsome alot " and at the end he sigh's and say's "awsome" i am happy he let her go and so was sam and they can track her awsell ...i like how you got stories on there lifes aswell how he was jealous of his friend and fancied kate ...i give this 9/10 for the fact it is different...But thats me lol we cant all like the same i dont get why people like bug's BUG'S BETTER lol come on !
I didn't like the teen horror movie vibe of it, I've seen too many of those already. To be honest, it felt like the longest episode in the history of SPN. I just got bored of the kids' drama. It wasn't nearly as scary as it could have been. Oh well. Next.
Thanks. I think the purpose of this was to make us think about the monsters and if they are inherently evil or if they make that choice. There's been a running theme from Lenore, to Jack the Rugaru, Madiosn, Amy and now Kate as to whether or not a monster will act according to its nature. Some do and the Winchesters are justified in killing them, but some don't. Others, like Jack, are driven to it by circumstances like Travis wanting to kill his wife and unborn child. He reacted like a monster, but his reaction was also very human. So was he evil? Sam ended up killing him because he was a threat to Dean, but was he evil? That's what I really liked about Bitten. It wasn't one of my favorite episodes, but it actually made me think. And I think it will serve the show well down the line.
Well. It was well made and an interesting concept but for a Supernatural episode I thought it was terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE. I was so bored and wanted to turn it off after 15 minutes.
I didn't care about the three kids, or whatever, and there wasn't nearly enough Sam and Dean and they are why I watch. The girl in this episode grated on my last nerve (esp her screaming and crying), and I wanted to punch the dark-haired boy in the face. I am so hugely disappointed and I can guarantee I'll never be watching this episode again. I'll watch Season 7, Time for a Wedding, or BUGS, OR SWAP MEAT (which is my least favorite of all SPN eps) before I'll watch this because at least those episodes actually feature the stars of the damn show - you know, the entire reason I watch.
totally agreed 100%. I wanted to shut it off 15 minutes in. Didn't like or care about the characters, I was so bored, and I wanted some Sam and Dean! The only part I liked was the last 2 minutes (and the one shot of the Impala). As I noted in my comment, I'll rewatch Season 7, time for a Wedding, Bugs, or even Swap Meat before I'll ever watch this one again. So disappointing and boring and ugh.
I made it to the 22 minute mark before wishing I was watching something else. Arrow was great last night so I started thinking about watching it instead. (St. Louis has news on at 7 so we see episodes 1 hour later than others unless there's a live stream.) The only reason I didn't stop the stream and go to Arrow here is because of the podcast, quotes and recap. Quite frankly I don't think the quotes are happening this time and if I recap it's going to be very,very short. Have no interest in seeing this one again, much less going into depth with it,
I've never, ever, ever felt this way about an episode before. Even the bad ones, Wedding, Swap Meat, had something enjoyable about them; they didn't make me want to turn off my TV mid-episode.
Quotes? lol, yeah Dean had like three lines, and maybe one of them was quote-worthy. I didn't think any of the other characters had any worthy quotes. Man, what a disappointing episode. Certainly not one we can dissect or talk about.
Arrow was great though! I should have watched SPN first, then Arrow (I watched neither LIVE last night, opting for my digital copies today), because it was so much better.
It was an interesting episode, I'm not really a fan of the handheld camera especially when it's shaking a lot. It was cool to know that they actually filmed it themselves though :)
I apologize, I was being slightly hyperbolic with the Carver line. But he has regressed the characters significantly. And I disagree that the show, which uses Dean's moral POV as the final say, has had a "grey" area regarding monsters--I think much like the person in charge of deciding, it is simply inconsistent and based on his emotional state at the time. And I disagree that we're supposed to think Sam's "re"found desire for a life out of hunting is anything but wrong. It's only "grey" when Dean wants it to be, regardless of inconsistency or hypocrisy. such as they killed like five people in Tiger Mommy without blinking and Dean almost knifed Kevin's mom. Those deaths are "justified" whatever.
I'd like to see the show moving forward with a new plan and looking to past isn't the way to accomplish that IMO.
i dont know why most people hated this episode, well i do but sam and dean not being in most of it doesnt make it a bad episode people should have stuck around cuz it was a good episode not amazing but good and entertaining.
I am sorry to say, I DID stick around to the bitter end.. It goes against my very fiber to say anything bad about SPN, but this ep sucked big time. ;) Several things against it, I don't like found movies, I don't like eps where nothing is learned, and I don't like eps without Sam and/or Dean. If you enjoyed it, great..different strokes for different folks. But with only 294 for Awesome/good and 229 for Poor/Awful, I will bet they don't try that stunt again. I have never seen the voting this bad before and hope to never again. I LOVE my show.
Over the years I can honesty say that I enjoy all epis of Supernatural. However, last night I flat out told my sister "this is most annoying and worst episode I have ever seen". "Bitten" was a complete waste of my time.
I found the choppy nature of the hand-held cameras really difficult to watch, and actually swithced it off 20 minutes into the episode. First time I have given up on an episode of SPN. Whilst I aplaid the makers for trying somethign different, this particular episode did not work for me.
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I loved it, tbh. Found footage is one of my favorite genres, and this really didn't disappoint. It was an interesting point of view that made me feel bad for the MoTW and I'm glad Sam and Dean let her go.
ReplyDeleteGreat episode!
I hate to say it, but I wasn't a big fan of tonight's episode. I couldn't get into the whole handheld camera vibe. It didn't feel like Supernatural to me at all. Then again, maybe it's just because I didn't think there was nearly enough Sam and Dean for my taste. Plus, I think it bugged me that the brothers didn't really seem to have to do anything. The monsters all took care of themselves, and a lot of the answers were provided by camera footage.
ReplyDeleteI didn't appreciate them resurrecting what was basically Amy 2.0, either. One of the only differences was the fact that neither brother had a connection to this girl. And this time Dean wanted to let her go? That bugged me. It didn't seem consistent, though I suppose his time in purgatory could have changed him. I'm just glad Sam didn't drag it up. We really didn't need that.
Anyway, I respect that they tried something new, but it just didn't work for me.
It was a decent filler, stand alone episode...
ReplyDeleteNothing to write home about.
This was better than I expected. Probably thanks to the great writing.
ReplyDeleteThis story and Dean's behavior at the end is a great set up for Benny's return.
I thought it was AWFUL.
ReplyDeleteI have never not liked an episode till now. The filming made my stomach hurt. If u turned it over there u wouldn't have now it was Supernatural on tonight. This is the first time that i didn't like the episode. Never thought I would say that.
ReplyDeleteThis was, BY A WIDE MARGAIN the worst episode of Supernatural ever...and 1 of the worst episodes of any shows I've watched this year.
ReplyDeleteWriters for this ep should be relegated back to doing 90210 or Nikita or whereever they came from.
Director probably will have to change his name out of shame.
I'm not even a San & dean fanboy. I can live w/o them ons creen for long periods of time, but you need to fill SOME of that time with other primary characters. Cas, Kevin, Crowley, someone??
This was an utter failure from top to bottom.
I loved it, the 3 kids were great. But needed more brothers.
ReplyDeleteWhen I heard about a 3rd person POV, I expected it to be a brilliant new way to give us insight into the brothers now, but it just ended up showing them doing what we've seen them do for 150 episodes. Robbie Thompson pretty much just wrote for his own original characters, not the brothers.
I see Carver is setting up to populate the SPN world with monsters of grey morality. Which is fine with me as long as they're interesting like Benny. But if he trots out Meg as Mother Teresa, I'm going to squeal like an angry pig.
I really enjoyed this episode! #Supernatural #Bitten Great out of the box thinking & <3 how it brings it back home about not always being a monster. I think we can all personalize that in our everyday lives but Dean especially after coming back from the Big P & seeing how it has changed him. Touching & thought provoking. Also paved the way for Benny's episode next week.
ReplyDeleteMan... this one was tough. I gave it an ok. Why? Because I loved it and hated it. I loved, loved the storyline. I HATED the Blair Witch 'let's film this whole thing' approach. Really hated that. And yes I get why they did it, to set up the ending but frankly it gave me a headache. I also HATED the fact the two main stars of the show had a total of about 10 minutes air time....So much potential was wasted in this one.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't too big of a fan of the episode either, but just because there's a little grey doesn't mean it's a ne Amy, Amy wasn't the first ''not 100% bad and evil'' monster they ever met in the serie. And I don't think it was too inconsistent from Dean, with the Amy thing he said it himself that one of the reason he killed her was cause he was having hard time trusting anyone after Cass just betrayed him. And the fact that the only person who knew Amy and who decided to let her go was Sam who was having a full-on mental breakout that almost made him kill his brother in the werehouse couple of weeks before...so kind of hard to trust his judment there.
ReplyDeleteAnd here there's the personnal reason that if he say that monster = all evil and let's kill them all just cause they're monsters, he'll look bad next week with benny^^;
^^; not nearly enough boy and it took a LONG time to get the episode started...and I didn't like that they had to bring the little ''recap'' at the end with ''in 5 years we'll be...'', we didn't know the characters, so I didn't feel for them in any way
ReplyDeleteBut since I had not too much expectations for this episode, it wasn't lower than I thought it would be.
Now I can get excited for enxt week :)
I guess this episode was all personal preference in weather you like this style of handheld camera shooting. Yea Sam and Dean weren't in it that much, but we've seen them for what? 150+ episodes, it's nice to see a little change once in a while guys! I personally loved this episode, a lot better than last weeks episode. This is probably one of my favorite monster of the week episodes.
ReplyDeleteI was pleasantly surprised. I've never been a fan of Ghostfacers, but I liked this one simply because they didn't play it for laughs. The three kids were very engaging and did a fantastic job. I love that Sam was all ready to go after Kate, but jumped at the chance to let her go when Dean suggested it. Great foreshadowing for what will happen next week. There wasn't a lot of the boys, but I'm OK with that given how well done this episode was. I know the shaky cam stuff isn't everyones cup of tea -- and I'm normally not high on it -- but it worked well in this one and the story kept me interested from start to finish. I really liked seeing how some monsters become monsters despite being normal, good people. Michael didn't ask for it, the other one (can't remember his name) did, and he infected Kate. So which one was truly a monster? I liked how this one made us think about circumstances beyond out control and how they're dealt with.
ReplyDeleteI'm really looking forward to next week when Sam meets Benny. Dean giving Kate the benefit of the doubt will go a long way in helping Sam understand why he would let Benny live after they escaped. This season is shaping up and I'm much more invested than the last two. Well done so far.
This may be a sign that I'm bored with this show, but I found myself enjoying this a lot more than any episodes in a long time, and I liked the guests. It will probably be a while before I rewatch it, but I'd put it in the top 20% of the season 7 and season 8 episodes that we've seen so far. The first Wincest joke was funny (there really is a lot of drama in their relationship), the second was pushing it a little too hard.
ReplyDeleteThe mythology error of the week: Werewolves in Heart blacked out the period when they wolved out, but these people remembered it.
The head-scratcher of the week: How are Sam and Dean planning on monitoring the girl when she took off for parts unknown?
So I guess the conversation about whether to let her go was the tie in to the bigger storyline?
"I really liked seeing how some monsters become monsters despite being normal, good people. Michael didn't ask for it, the other one (can't remember his name) did, and he infected Kate. So which one was truly a monster? I liked how this one made us think about circumstances beyond out control and how they're dealt with."
ReplyDeleteExactly why I liked the episode. We never get to see the full story on how someone got turned and the back story to it.
This is the first time I've ever voted Awful with Supernatural before. It was completely boring and the characters were terrible. The writing sucked out loud and I am a huge fan of Robbie Thompson. I personally hate handheld camera work and bad sound so I was never going to be a fan of that part. However, I never expected to get a cross of Twilight and the Columbine shooting on my screen. There was no entertainment value to me at all and 22 minutes in, I found myself wishing that an Arrow repeat was on instead. That has never, ever happened for me with this show before. Normally I watch an episode at least 2 times the night it airs. I refuse to waste another minute tonight on this tripe.
ReplyDeleteI love that the SPN writers and directors try different things. It's part of what makes the show so great. And while I noticed the lack of the boys (of course!), I was still really enjoying the episode ... right up to when Dean agreed to let the girl go. It was just way out of character. Most of the monsters don't choose to be what they are. Yes, they let Lenore the vampire go, but they'd gotten to know her, and in the end, when she said she'd started feeding again, they did gank her. Dean could have let Amy Pond go, but he didn't because he didn't believe she could fight her nature. So what makes him think Kate will be able to fight her instincts? Still, in my book SPN can do (almost) no wrong. There may be some episodes that are less amazing than others, but even those are better than 95% of what else is on tv.
ReplyDeleteDidn't they said that these ''werewolf with pedigree'' can control their transformation and remember it?
ReplyDeletePersonally, I thought tonight's episode was the worst one out of all 7-8 seasons. Found footage worked for Chronicle. But this time it was just ridiculously stupid. First of all, the underdog friend who's obviously jealous of his alpha male bro and in love with the gf? Who then becomes power-hungry? And screws up everyone else's life? How many times has this storyline been played out?!? Brian was SO annoying that it was painful to watch. So atrociously whiny and pathetic. And from the first shot of them in the restaurant, it was so obvious what was going to happen. Only good part was Blondie (also predictably) ripping his head off after she got bitten.
ReplyDeleteI know lots of people loved this episode, but probably only because Supernatural as a whole is amazing. It's my all-time favorite show too, but seriously, I don't get how the producers thought this episode would be good. Just pure filler. Except they had a standalone episode last week too.
I don't remember, but the kids remembered their time wolving out too. I missed the part on what defined the "pedigree" part, but wouldn't they just be normal werewolves?
ReplyDeleteTOTALLY agree.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I heard too.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree. I didn't even just hate it because Sam and Dean were missing. The storyline was SO stereotypical. I don't even get how people that was original. It felt like a really pathetic attempt at Chronicle. Except when the guy in Chronicle became power hungry, he didn't seem like a whiny pathetic brat.
ReplyDeleteThis one took the "the brothers are wallpaper" aspect to a whole new level. They did not have a thing to do except talk to a couple of people and watch a video. I hope Jensen and Jared had a great vacation that week.
ReplyDeleteFor me the difference between Kate and Amy is that Amy killed humans. Kate killed the werewolf that sired her. In fact, she did Dean and Sam's job. I think this is very in character (one of the only pluses in this episode to be honest) because Dean didn't kill Amy's son for the very same reason. He hadn't killed a human. Neither did Kate. All I ask is that we never see Kate again. This episode was quite enough for me of all things associated with it.
I don't really remember , it was when the kids spyed them in the restaurant ^^; It was something about being the first 4 generation from something,.......(from the Alpha maybe? Can't remember) or something like that, that made them special and they joked about ''oh werewolf with pedigree, I hope they brought their papers''
ReplyDeleteI voted okay. I was bored with the first half of the episode, not enough Sam and Dean, and I'm not into found footage- it felt too much like Ghostfacers II episode without the comedy aspects.
ReplyDeleteThe saving grace for this episode was the last half with the action of the guys fighting, seeing Dean and Sam after they watched the video, and me actually liking the girl towards the end.
I can see why Sam and Dean let her go. She hadn't eaten any human hearts, so she did not have the lust for hearts. And she's of pure blood so she is more able to control herself than a werewolf like Madison could.
Total set up for next week's episode though. Dean's camaraderie with Benny has made him more open minded about the possibility of good monsters (something that he has believed once in a while in the past, but more often usually doesn't).
Whether all monsters are bad or not, whether Benny is honest or not, is still in the air. I have a feeling though, with Benny, things may not turn out well. It's a vibe (plus the promo for next week).
The girl from this episode, well, no idea. Eventually she'll probably slip up, but she may last a long time or even less likely, go all the way. She'll be very lucky if that occurs- that she never gets a thirst for human heart. She'll be extremely lucky if she never gets in a position that causes her to animal out and eat a human heart, which would ruin her chances of staying on the right track, and hunters would go after her.
I didn't just hate it because the brothers were missing or because it was found footage. I hated it because I thought the storyline had been done a million times before. Weak nerd living in the shadow of his alpha male friend, instantly falls in love with friend's gf, becomes power hungry and kills the friend. Are the writers serious? The ending was SO predictable.
ReplyDeleteWOW, what a way to get new fans to the show...NOT. This was not an ep of SPN that I will ever watch again. Don't like handheld camera movies. It was almost as bad as Ghostfacers, the only redeeming quality was it was not played for laughs. I did not vote awful, but poor.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. The problem wasn't the lack of brothers although that never helps. The problem is that I just watched a pathetic love triangle of whiny teenagers taking their frustration out on camera. Oh and there was a supernatural twist. This is fine for ABC Family or something but this is exactly opposite of what made Supernatural stand out from most of the CW. I have spent years trying to convince people that think all CW shows are teen rubbish to try Supernatural. If this is the episode a newbie watches, they would think I was nuts. If this had been the first episode of Supernatural I ever watched, I would never try another episode. Completely un-SPN like!
ReplyDeleteFirst problem - People dont watch network TV to see an episode that looks like a film school drop out shot it for a project he never turned in. THAT is a bigger issue than the lack of the shows main 2 leads.
ReplyDeleteSecond problem - no secondary cast. You can have a Sam & Dean light episode. But you need to fill those gaps with a Cas, Crowley, Kevin, Benny, Meg, Garth, someone the fans are familiar with.
Third problem - The characters we were watching were uninteresting (granted I gave up on the ep early...maybe the last 10-15 mins was amazing lmao) and not at all compelling to justify 30+ mins of screen time. There was no backstory on them in previous episodes to suggest we need to care about them. They simply were fillers for air space...problem was, THEY WERE THE LEADS in this episode.
Personal preference of handheld isnt the issue so much as it is that this is NOT what the show is. If I wanted to watch Ghostfacers style video, I'd watch some youtube channel, not a major TV network with a multi million dollar budget.
Everyone from the showrunner, right down to the writers failed the fans this episode with the cheap, dull, uninteresting idea. Maybe it sounded better when it was pitched, but it was shot, acted & written terribly.
I agree with it being Super predictable, no pun intended, but never the less i looked at it for what it was and besides I am a fan of the movie chronicle, I've seen it like 5 times and it never gets old for me. This style of filming could be GOOD if done right.
ReplyDeleteHa, I was very negative when I saw the previews and synopsis for this episode, and I ended up voting "okay". Guess I thought it would be so bad that it could only be better than what I had in my head. lol
ReplyDeleteEveryone thought Robbie Thompson was writing so it would be good, but I can see a blah episode a mile away. Every writer has their bad episodes. Some have it worst than others (a lot of the new writers besides Robbie, cause he was good until tonight).
well people have different opinions, i liked it, and besides next weeks episode looks a whole lot better and will most likely not be "filler."
ReplyDeletesome of the votes for "awful" were probably due to the lack of "Sam and Dean" time. Yeah I would have liked more Sam and Dean but this episode serves as a great set up for what is to come with the story arch this season. We still have 19 episodes left folks! Good things come to those who wait!
ReplyDeleteIf it is four generations from the alpha, then that seems a pretty convenient loophole written in to change the mythology to let this girl go when Madison had to be shot. The girl was two generations down from the professor, and the professor was at least one down from the alpha, so she just made it under cutoff.
ReplyDeleteTo be certain it was that, I would need to rewatch it ...but I have no intention to see it again, at least not before a long time^^;;; if it is that, you may have a point
ReplyDeleteOne more comment about the episode ... if the girl hadn't left the tape for Sam and Dean then they wouldn't have known she was a wolf and she wouldn't be at risk of them tracking and killing her. She was awfully trusting of their compassion considering she didn't even know them. It seemed a bit of a convenient way or working in a "do all monsters need to be killed" into a situation in which there was no need for it.
ReplyDeleteYou're right. :)
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, the boys didn't kill Lenore, Castiel did to get things moving. the boys actually offered to put her somewhere she couldn't hurt anyone. And like Sam said about the Rugaru - they weren't going to kill him until he did something to be killed for. I don;t think it was out of character for this Dean to agree to let her go. He's changed since Purgatory -- he can see the monsters side of things after spending a year with Benny and living with nothing but monsters. Sure, he'll kill the evil ones, but Kate said she knew she could survive on animal hearts, and she didn't ask for any of it, so the question is when is a monster really a monster? Amy killed, the Rugaru eventually did, Kate hasn't yet. So I can understand them giving her the benefit of the doubt for now. If she does and they find out, they'll hate themselves but for now, I get it and can't help but agree. I actually liked this ep, and I agree even bad SPN eps are better than most TV. :)
ReplyDeleteIf she drops bodies, they'd see it in the news.
ReplyDeleteThat one was a cool part of the episode.
ReplyDeletelol I was OK with it, and loved the concept, but the reason for the concept didn't materialize - to give a 3rd person POV of Sam & Dean. My big problem is we learned nothing NEW about them from it. And we know Dean is more open to grey morality already.
ReplyDeleteMy awful vote was because of the entire overall production of it.
ReplyDeleteHorrible acting, horrible camerawork (and I know, it was supposed to look amateur, but it was horrible) & the writers failed at making it an SPN episode as compared to a "random monster movie" feel. Its fine to have no Sam & Dean for long periods in an ep, but you NEED to bridge that gap with secondary characters. No Cas, Crowley, Kevin, Benny, Meg, Garth or anyone else we have a backstory on alienated the fanbase. They were no longer watching an SPN episode as much as they were watching a campy horror movie that Sam & Dean happened to guest star in.
About Meg, Sera kinda already started that.
ReplyDeleteRespectfully disagree. I voted Awful not for lack of SamnDean but because to me it was far worse camera work than GF - and I realize that the GF-ers were "professionals" he, he and these were teens following each other around and wanting to end up completing a movie. It actually gave me a headache, the plot was silly and predictable.
ReplyDeleteThey're retconning monster rules now. I'm not happy at all with that, but Carver clearly is trying to bring some Being Human with him into SPN.
ReplyDeleteI'm not happy with that, but will put up with it if they make good stories as a result. But leave the freaking retconning alone - stop changing the darn universe rules.
How would they know it's her and which local new reports to watch if they don't know where she went? And are they going to track her movements indefinitely? They don't have the manpower to be parole officers for all of the monsters they let walk away.
ReplyDeleteThat's very true, but I think part of what bugged me was the fact that she COULD kill. Yeah, she's only killed monsters so far, and she seems to be really aware of the evils she could commit... but what happens when she's desperate, or in a rage, and slips up? I had forgotten about the fact that Dean didn't kill Amy's son because he didn't have blood on his hands yet, so maybe he isn't as out of character as I thought.
ReplyDeleteAnd you're right about the brothers being wallpaper. If someone had tuned in late they'd have a hard time figuring out whether or not the show was actually Supernatural.
Yeah I did not see the similarity to Amy. We've had plenty of "grey" monsters in the past like Lenore and Madison (since Madison was blacking out she had no control over what she was doing, making her human side of her innocent, but the wolf side of her bad).
ReplyDeleteI hadn't taken into consideration that the Amy debacle happened right after Leviathan!Cas. That would definitely wreak havoc on Dean's trust issues. I still think it's a little crazy that they pretty much said, "Eh. Not her fault. Let's go get a burger.", but hey. I'll give it some more wiggle room.
ReplyDeleteYour "head-scratcher of the week" was my concern - sure, she seems like a nice girl that understands the horrible things that she could do... but what happens if she slips up? I know Sam and Dean can't feel responsible for every bad thing that happens in the world, but if they could have done something about one of them, I'd think they'd feel pretty remorseful. But it seems like this is going to be a topic where the fandom has to agree to disagree... not that that happens often haha
ReplyDeleteOn your point about secondary characters- yes, yes, yes. It's hard to care about random characters we don't know. I don't mind Sam and Dean light episodes if they focus on secondary characters, but when it's new characters, it's hard to like.
ReplyDeleteThe only person I started to like in the end was the girl. I felt bad for her.
I agree, except Kate did grow on me a little, so I don't want to see her again because it means she did something wrong.
ReplyDeleteWell, Amy's son could definitely go on rampage, probably more likely to do it than Kate so eh, if he was let go, she deserves a shot.
ReplyDeleteYeah, you're right! It infuriates me. Retconning the oldest s1 demon should be punishable. I don't want Being Human. Some grey monsters like Benny is fine, but come on! This better not be a trend with demons later.
ReplyDeleteI agree about it not being out of character to let her go.
ReplyDeleteGood concept, very bad execution. I just wanted to spy on Sam & Dean and learn stuff. lol
ReplyDeleteIt's not something new, they usually let monsters go that haven't killed.
ReplyDeleteWell, then they don't know- ignorance is a bliss. How am I supposed to know? lol
ReplyDeleteMy awful vote did not come from a lack of Dean and Sam but from a lack of Supernatural. This was a teenage love triangle with a typical underdog turns psycho plot that equally bored and annoyed me. It's the same supernatural teen romance that was all the rage before Hunger Games came out. To be honest it would have been a nice fit on MTV, ABC Family, or another CW show but not on Supernatural, which has tried for years to break out of the CW teen girl drama reputation that people who have never seen it seem to have of it. Prime example of why SPN should never, ever touch love triangles even with guest characters in standalone episodes.
ReplyDeleteYeah I did too for the first time.The sl was boring.predicable and I just couldn't bring myself to care if we were intended to see "Amy" situations for Kate and Benny. In addition, :"pedigree" and "pureblood" are terms used on Carver's "Being Human" and in SPN fan fic; the terma have never been used on SPN before.
ReplyDeleteI remember "alpha" being mentioned. Must be of direct descendent of the alpha or something.
ReplyDeleteThis one was really better than I expected. I actually enjoyed it. The story line was excellent. It was a much better Meta than we've had before. I love the fact that Dean sat there and then said let her go. The few weeks we have watched kill everything. His heart is still in there. The way Sam was so nervous but happy that Dean would do that, was almost sad. The one funny thing was Dean's concern over saying, "Awesome." He does use it a lot. Still, it's part of who he is. I am glad this one made the cut was filmed. I have even more hope of a great season.
ReplyDeleteAmy killed. This girl had not done so.
ReplyDeleteMost likely, that was what is was. New mythology info to fit the season. Cause they could have easily had her eat a heart or have the guy kill her by accident.
ReplyDeleteKate and Benny aren't Amy situations. Amy killed. Benny we have no idea yet. Kate didn't eat a heart yet. This is more of a Lenore situation.
ReplyDeletePlease don't put 90210 and Nikita in the same sentence. Nikita is way way under-rated.
ReplyDeleteYeah, the episodes on my worst list would make newbies run for the hills.
ReplyDeleteThe best episode in a long, long time, imo. An episode of SPN hasn't made me feel so genuinely tense and scared for entire seasons. And I'm so glad that, between this episode and Benny, it looks like the monsters-as-people theme looks like it's getting some proper attention and nuance this season. That was one of my greatest wishes for the show. Season gr8 indeed.
ReplyDeleteI think it was more because the writer wanted Sam and Dean to see what we did, like we were watching with them. Kinda like how Sam and Dean watched the Ghostfacers video, which they didn't have to do. They could have said no.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B19n5NkVC2c
ReplyDeletePepsi commerical with Richard Speight Jr (Gabriel/Trickster) look real closely to who the female is standing in the line
Okay, let me preface this by saying I'm 1 of like 13 people in the world who liked Ghostfacers. I thought it was funny, okay! But that is just a disclaimer. I wasn't thrilled with this episode. Like most people I could have cared less for the kids they introduced and then murdered. For goodness sake, the blond Meg look alike whimpered and screamed the entire episode--and she's the one who gets to live? Beyond the story being trite (really? the nerdy beta decided to stand up try to take his buff blond alpha friend's girl?) and the new characters painful to watch and the fact that they even had the kids commenting on the brobitching, I had 2 issues.
ReplyDelete1) As with much of this season, I feel like they've reverted back to season 1 (2-3) in tone and characterization. We're rewriting mythology, well at least "tweaking" it. We're back to allusions to law school and normal and choices. We've got a faux blond Meg. We're fighting monsters. Sam is dreaming about college and normal and Dean is gunho killer dude mad that little bro isn't following the family plan. It's a weird flash sideways: what would season 3 have been without Kripke and daddy issues and an actual underlying theme paralleled in the mythology?
2) It felt contrived for the express purpose of setting up the choices story and the give monsters a chance story. And when you set it up in this heavy-handed manner that only annoys me, then I think I'm supposed to think that both are wrong. That we shouldn't give monsters chances, because who knows when one is gonna fall off the wagon and kill or turn someone else, and then that victim's life is forfeit without a choice? And it is all really hypocritical, the boys kill people all the time. And that we shouldn't respect choices, Sammy shouldn't get a normal life, because there will always be people to save, and the world needs Ralph--does that make Dean Simon? I mean come on guys, don't start the allusion and not follow through.
Yeah, so found footage is tiresome, but even that is less annoying than walking our characters back 6 years and hitting the reset button. Just cause Carver was gone for a while didn't mean the show stopped without him and he gets to pick up where he left off.
I love Being Human US version, but I agree cause this is a different show. And demons have always been so evil for Meg to be goody-two-shoes now just because she and Cas have this weird thing going on, doesn't make sense.
ReplyDeleteI voted awful because it just didn't appeal to me. You could have had Sam and Dean holding the cameras and it still would be awful.
ReplyDeleteActually was hoping Becky would try and summon Bela.
I'm not sure the concept was to give a 3rd person POV of Sam and Dean. I think the point was to show that some 'monsters' are sympathetic and were good people who ended up becoming monsters by no fault of their own. What it showed about Dean and Sam is that they are hunters who can follow a trail and work together to solve a case. They found the professor even without the pin clue, they obviously traced the camera in the office back to Brian, and they learned about these 3 kids and how they became what they became. The purpose was to show us that the Winchesters deal in gray areas and can still make a 'human' decision despite Dean's year in Purgatory and their problems with each other's new outlooks on the job.
ReplyDeletelol That would be so random. XD
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping for the Garth and UNCLE RICO!!! episode
ReplyDeleteThat and a really bad day!!!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd to think, way back when I first heard the episode title I was thinking: ALPHA VAMP!
ReplyDeleteI meant by "Amy" situation another "Shades of Grey" situation. Yes,Amy had killed to heal her son but she said she was done killing,Sam believed her and let her go; Dean tracked her down andd killed her. Dean let Lucky the skinwalker get away because he felt Lucky had his reasons, too. Can Benny and Kate resist their natures for the rest of their "lives"? Historically no "monster" introduced on SPN has been sucessful - even Lenore killed under Eve's influence.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I like certain romances (usually supernatural creature kinds) so sadly I often have to deal with love triangles, so it's nice when I get a break with other shows I watch like SPN, that have different themes and don't normally have triangles. So when a normally triangle free show has it it's like ahhh - don't go there!
ReplyDeleteSorry to hear that.
ReplyDeleteThat's is exactly why I didn't like it either. If I wanted to see love triangles I would be watching TVD.
ReplyDeleteThanks. It was Ann Coulter's fault.
ReplyDeleteHe left off in season 5, he wasn't even around in season 1. I don't like the reboot feel of it either, but I think the "grey" with monsters has been around for quite some time. It's a recurring theme since Lenore and maybe even farther back.
ReplyDeleteI wish!
ReplyDelete????? Don't know who that is.
ReplyDeleteExcept for the monsters we haven't heard back from.
ReplyDeleteI still think there were worst episodes.
ReplyDeleteI'm assuming it's the girl from the episode. I'm bad at recognizing people with differences sometimes, in this case, her with long hair and a hat.
ReplyDeleteWith guys, it's often if they have beards. I sometimes need to take second glances. Had that happen to me with a Being Human promotional photo recently. Took me a moment to recognize Aidan.
I gave it an ok vote mainly because it just wasn't the show I've come to love. I felt like I was watching something else. I realize that they have to try new things and I'm completly cool with that, but it just wasn't for me. So far I'm 50/50 with the new season. I know they'll pull off a great season with some episodes I like and some I don't. We all have to remember that you can't please all the people all the time, but I think they're doing a great job trying.
ReplyDeleteHe's bringing the wrong stuff from Being Human I wanted him to bring. :(
ReplyDeleteFor one, Aidan and Josh argue on that show about Aidan's "relapses" with blood drinking, but you can really see the friendship bromance on that show- willing to do anything for each other, and forgive each other for their mistakes/flaws pretty quickly.
I was hoping the forgiving and bromance part would carry to supernatural, not the lore.
That goes without saying ;).
ReplyDeleteOh dear! I know that you always look for the positives in the episodes and so if you think this one is bad then it must be really terrible.
ReplyDeleteWhy is all this happening to my favourite show? :(
I liked Ghostfacers. Lets just start off with that. I don't mind found-footage shows that much. That said, this episode tried very hard to make us sympathize with and perhaps like these characters, and it just .. failed. It dragged. I didn't care about any of them, the only parts I liked were when we got to see Dean and Sam outside of the normal pov.
ReplyDeleteI can appreciate what they were trying to do with this episode, to show things from another prospective, from those who suffer from these monster attacks and don't have a clue what's going on or why, instea dof from the view points of our heros, but.. it was slow. It dragged. 'Piggy' annoyed the fuuuuug out of me. The other two characters were stereotypical but not as annoying.
Other then seeing some snippets of Sam and Dean, the only other part I liked of this episode is at the end, where we see Sam and Dean in the house in the aftermath, and where Dean is actually the one who says to give the woman a shot. Sure, its a major contradiction to past thinking and actions, but there was something deep and thoughtful in Dean's eyes as he said this. /Real/ deep, and I can appreciate the emotions trying to be conveyed. Plus, I liked seeing the girl head off into the 'sunset'. Liked the scenary and the camera lighting and the sort of 'hopeful' feel of it.
I gave this episode an OK. It didn't feel at all like SPN, but maybe that was the point. Regardless, I still think this season is right on track and the preview of the next episode made me chuckle. I'm looking forward to seeing more Benny.
Well, they explained the non-blacing out part. A werewolf bitten by a pureblood, a werewolf no more than 4 generations away from the Alpha, could remember what happened when they wolfed out, and could control it, they would even live off animal hearts. A werewolf farther down the line could not.
ReplyDeleteAwesome episode for me. See the story like a behind-the-scenes is really good, know about the victims from another point of view is very interesting. Ok is a little bit of Sam and Dean, but who cares, the dialogue between both at the final is the beginning of arc so I think the showrunner know what his doing.
ReplyDeleteThis episode of Supernatural is like Chronicles meets Teen Wolf meets Sam and Dean hahahaah. I loved it.
I realy liked this episode... I really thought that the 'found footage' format was going to make it hard for me to get into it [as I do not like that style] but the story was so interesting that I found I could over look it. Even though we hardly saw any Sam and Dean in the episode I really liked Michael, Kate, and Brady[?].
ReplyDeleteI did not like the predictableness, however, it started reminding me of the movie Chronicle.
I'm glad we got to see the story from the monster's point of view for once. I did end up feeling bad for all the characters.
Total Chronicles rip off......
ReplyDeleteYou are so very lucky. Let's just say she is a fine example of a lousy human being. Over-exposed on TV here but thankfully there is enough to watch now!
ReplyDeleteWhat the hell did I just watch? All the negative things I said about Season 6 and 7... take anything from those seasons and they were better than this. Not to mention I hate the whole "found footage" crap that is way overused.
ReplyDelete..i am agree to all the result presented in the poll because this episode had a piece of each preference i dont like this kind of filming makes me dizzy,with all that camera move.was a sam point of view episode about compassion and give a person a new opportunity to survive and dean accept that for a second time ..(DONT FORGET THE FEMALE VAMPIRE)
ReplyDeleteI thought the story was ok and I thought it was well presented and the college kids did a good job . This was a very " different" episode and really did not feel much like a Supernatural episode. I liked it at first but by the end of the episode I was like why are we revisiting the Amy issue. I was surprised that Dean was not into finding Kate at all especially after he has been all Super Soldier since his return from Purgatory. It seemed inconsistent with how he has been acting. It was also weird that Sam was all gun ho to hunt her and just as equally cool with not hunting her. Just not feeling this episode. I am looking forward to next week and Sam meeting Benny.
ReplyDeleteI just love that you used "Awesome" as a poll option :)
ReplyDeleteDo I say awesome all the time? :p
ReplyDeleteI really liked it. I came to a near complete halt with my chores because there was just something really compelling about this story.
ReplyDeleteThe only scene that thumped me on the head was the scene where Sam and Dean killed the professor/pure blood werewolf. The choreography of the fight was weak (I could see the professor waiting for the squibs to go off) and the lack of any make-up effects made it feel like the scene was done on the cheap. It felt too easy and because the actor was, IMHO, really bad the "Thank You' came across as silly. If we were supposed to get a sense that the Professor felt anything glee/sadness/regret about killing people...I got zero sense of it. Did he feel any kind of satisfaction about using this kid as a patsy...it did not come across in his performance. I was completely into the episode until the scene with Brian and the professor.
Am I the only person who though of that old series Werewolf with John J York? When Kate went walking off down the railroad tracks and the ep faded to black that was the first thing that popped into my mind. (Sadly we may never see that series on DVD because of the music rights issues that keep coming up when trying to put older shows on DVD.
Oh! I was really really pleased to get that hint, I was looking for, that the last year changed Dean. His willingness to give Kate a chance to live her life without hurting people is huge (at least to me) in the big picure of the series.
Great episode.
I hadn't constantly thought of about the question of who really is the monster. Really cool thought.
ReplyDeleteWhat really surprised me was that I had expected this to be the episode Jensen directed as opposed to last week's episode. Somewhere in the depths of my addled brain I had assumed that, when assigning one of my leads an ep to direct that the script that required the least amount of double duty would have been a good candidate. No judgement. I was just surprised.
ReplyDeleteI knew that if I liked this episode you and I would disagree about it. Although, I do completely agree....I do NOT want to see Kate again. I think this was the best ending to her story as far as the Winchester boys are concerned.
Well I don't know what everyone thinks but I really loved this episode.It kinda felt like a movie!!!The three teens had a good chemistry and I really enjoed watching how a human reacts to the transformation,We mostly get to see the "monsters" after they are made so it was quite interesting.I didn't even miss Sam and Dean!!!I loved it.And to be honest I liked the episodes with the Ghostfacers as well.
ReplyDeleteWell,I admit it was not the show's finest hour,but they're allowed a few misses per season(in my opinion).
ReplyDeleteNext episode seems great though.Can't wait!
For some reason when I click on "link to comment" in my email, it does not take me to the comment. I have to scroll to find it. Used to work. Anyone else having this problem?
ReplyDeleteAnother problem, it won't let me load more comments, so can only see 50.
ReplyDeleteTalking about Alpha, did anyone notice our "Alpha Vamp" being on NCIS this week?
ReplyDeleteI generally don't like triangles because they destroy the relationship story. I can't take either relationship seriously if someone is cheating or can't make up his/her mind. If a triangle was ever introduced involving Sam or Dean I would revolt, but in this case I thought it worked. The guests were young. That kind of angst and searching is typical for that age.
ReplyDeleteI gave it a tepid "ok" vote. It wasn't horrible TV (although it wasn't great either), it just wasn't SPN. And yes the lack of Sam and Dean is one of the key reasons. Hopefully this was just a one time experiment by the SPN folks.
ReplyDeleteMy main question is...once boyfriend got turned and they knew what he was...WHY did blonde chick stick around? Hello? I'm a werewolf, I eat hearts. That would have been enough for me to run the hell away. And then she STILL stuck around after camera boy (no, I don't remember their names) got himself turned on purpose. Uh....okay.
Ah, each year has one of those episodes it seems that you just can't get into.
Now, bring on Benny!
Contrived is the perfect word. I enjoyed the episode other than that one fact - the ending seemed to contrived to drive home the letting-monsters-go theme - again. I suppose if I hadn't been reading spoilers and didn't know what was coming with Benny, I might not have noticed, but as it is now, I'm already tired of this discussion.
ReplyDeleteI would have preferred it if they had found the tape in the dumpster, or she had left it behind in a panic. As it was, her choice seemed contrived and it seemed unlikely that a real person would do that.
ReplyDeleteBut we already knew this, they have let people go many times and some of them have killed humans...I did not learn anything new except for the purebred stuff and I am not going to watch this ep again to see if I missed anything there. This ep was just not the show I love and have been faithful to for all these years.
ReplyDeleteThe question has never been whether the creature has killed yet and about delivering justice if it has, it has been about whether the creature is likely a future threat to the population. With Lenore, she made an argument that her vampires weren't killing so they weren't a danger to anyone. They never even asked her if she had ever killed anyone. She probably had when she first became a vampire. But Lenore could prove that she had found a plan for living without feeding on humans and was committed to this plan. And even after she killed under Eve, Sam and Dean were leaning toward letting her go again if they got rid of Eve. Amy also made a case on why she wouldn't be a danger anymore. Sam believed it, Dean didn't. Letting the kid go didn't make any sense because there's no reason to believe that he wouldn't start killing. I'm attributing that to an emotional response on Dean's part. He has trouble being objective with kids. In Kate's case, she made a case as to why she wouldn't be a threat. They chose to give her a chance. With Benny, the question should be whether poses a threat to the public or whether he can prove that he's not a threat. From what we've seen so far, I think he poses a threat and that Dean is making decisions based on emotion rather than logic, but we'll learn more next week.
ReplyDeleteAnother couple of inconsistencies I thought of with the werewolf mythology was the super strength and instant-healing bite marks. Madison didn't have super strength, and I think I remember her showing Sam and Dean her scar from being bitten.
ReplyDeleteAs Peter said, it comes down to different taste. I liked the camera work. I thought it was creative. As for no Cas, Crowley, Kevin, and the same-old same old, I found myself enjoying the break. As for the characters being uninteresting, I found them more fun to watch than most of the guests we've gotten in a long time. I got pulled into their story pretty quickly and didn't need more backstory on them to enjoy what was intended to be a limited, short-term story.
ReplyDeleteThey actually using kill first and ask questions later, that is unless the monster makes a convincing case as to why it is not a threat to anyone. In this case, I think Kate made a good case.
ReplyDeletei liked it. i thought the three kids were great and i did like the hand held cam thing. it was an intersting episode despite sam and deans lack of participation but for me it was a shout out to the older seasons of the shows (ghostfacers, which i loved) and that is what i've been wanting from this season so that was great for me
ReplyDeleteIt was alright. I liked that SPN took a risk but the 3 teens weren't strong enough to make up for the lack of Sam and Dean. I found their storyline pretty cliched and the girl was plain annoying in parts.
ReplyDeleteGuess they'd excuse that with the "pedigree" thing. Pedigree werewolves apparently are like a sub-species of werewolf.
ReplyDeleteDon't watch NCIS anymore, so no. But will see him soon as he's going to be acting on Vampire Dairies soon.
ReplyDeleteI avoid Reality TV except for a few on Animal Planet and "Untold Stories of ER". I hardly ever watch the news. I don't read tabloids. I plan on keeping it that way as reality is either too depressing or too annoying. lol
ReplyDeleteI am a total SPNholic and adore Jensen/Dean and love Jared/Sam but last Bitten left me feeling so empty and ignored. I want to spend my time with Dean adn Sam, not some victim that we are supposed to feel sorry for. With the vics photographind Dean and Sam from a distance, I felt like a spying fan instead of a member of the Winchester family. I hated it...awful doesn't even come close.
ReplyDeleteAre you all fckng kidding? They never said anything about tracking her. It's just that if Kate starts killing, some hunter ~~maybe even Sam and Dean~~ will end up offing her. That's all there is to it, stop thinking the Winchesters are gonna give up hunting over wolfsitting,
ReplyDeletei loved it everything about it lol ...i felt like i watching season 1 or 2 again back to basics ..i am so fed up with all the heavy crap it was good to get a different story..the plot was strong ...it was sad seeing the ending when they will never do what they said they would ...also the effect were very kl and 10 times better than when Madison became a werewolf as in effect btw ...i think dean is fed up with himself as he says "hay sam do i say awsome alot " and at the end he sigh's and say's "awsome" i am happy he let her go and so was sam and they can track her awsell ...i like how you got stories on there lifes aswell how he was jealous of his friend and fancied kate ...i give this 9/10 for the fact it is different...But thats me lol we cant all like the same i dont get why people like bug's BUG'S BETTER lol come on !
ReplyDeleteI didn't like the teen horror movie vibe of it, I've seen too many of those already. To be honest, it felt like the longest episode in the history of SPN. I just got bored of the kids' drama. It wasn't nearly as scary as it could have been. Oh well. Next.
ReplyDeleteThanks. I think the purpose of this was to make us think about the monsters and if they are inherently evil or if they make that choice. There's been a running theme from Lenore, to Jack the Rugaru, Madiosn, Amy and now Kate as to whether or not a monster will act according to its nature. Some do and the Winchesters are justified in killing them, but some don't. Others, like Jack, are driven to it by circumstances like Travis wanting to kill his wife and unborn child. He reacted like a monster, but his reaction was also very human. So was he evil? Sam ended up killing him because he was a threat to Dean, but was he evil? That's what I really liked about Bitten. It wasn't one of my favorite episodes, but it actually made me think. And I think it will serve the show well down the line.
ReplyDeleteIt felt like a bad movie to me. One that I'd regret wasting my money on.
ReplyDeleteWell. It was well made and an interesting concept but for a Supernatural episode I thought it was terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE. I was so bored and wanted to turn it off after 15 minutes.
ReplyDeleteI didn't care about the three kids, or whatever, and there wasn't nearly enough Sam and Dean and they are why I watch. The girl in this episode grated on my last nerve (esp her screaming and crying), and I wanted to punch the dark-haired boy in the face. I am so hugely disappointed and I can guarantee I'll never be watching this episode again. I'll watch Season 7, Time for a Wedding, or BUGS, OR SWAP MEAT (which is my least favorite of all SPN eps) before I'll watch this because at least those episodes actually feature the stars of the damn show - you know, the entire reason I watch.
Again, so disappointed in the episode.
totally agreed 100%. I wanted to shut it off 15 minutes in. Didn't like or care about the characters, I was so bored, and I wanted some Sam and Dean! The only part I liked was the last 2 minutes (and the one shot of the Impala). As I noted in my comment, I'll rewatch Season 7, time for a Wedding, Bugs, or even Swap Meat before I'll ever watch this one again. So disappointing and boring and ugh.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree about the Sam and Dean and Professor fight! It looked like a bad Junior High stage fight. So very fake and "TV" (like 80s TV). :(
ReplyDeleteOtherwise, this is an episode I'll never watch again. Completely boring and forgettable to me.
I made it to the 22 minute mark before wishing I was watching something else. Arrow was great last night so I started thinking about watching it instead. (St. Louis has news on at 7 so we see episodes 1 hour later than others unless there's a live stream.) The only reason I didn't stop the stream and go to Arrow here is because of the podcast, quotes and recap. Quite frankly I don't think the quotes are happening this time and if I recap it's going to be very,very short. Have no interest in seeing this one again, much less going into depth with it,
ReplyDeleteI've never, ever, ever felt this way about an episode before. Even the bad ones, Wedding, Swap Meat, had something enjoyable about them; they didn't make me want to turn off my TV mid-episode.
ReplyDeleteQuotes? lol, yeah Dean had like three lines, and maybe one of them was quote-worthy. I didn't think any of the other characters had any worthy quotes. Man, what a disappointing episode. Certainly not one we can dissect or talk about.
Arrow was great though! I should have watched SPN first, then Arrow (I watched neither LIVE last night, opting for my digital copies today), because it was so much better.
It was an interesting episode, I'm not really a fan of the handheld camera especially when it's shaking a lot. It was cool to know that they actually filmed it themselves though :)
ReplyDeleteI apologize, I was being slightly hyperbolic with the Carver line. But he has regressed the characters significantly. And I disagree that the show, which uses Dean's moral POV as the final say, has had a "grey" area regarding monsters--I think much like the person in charge of deciding, it is simply inconsistent and based on his emotional state at the time. And I disagree that we're supposed to think Sam's "re"found desire for a life out of hunting is anything but wrong. It's only "grey" when Dean wants it to be, regardless of inconsistency or hypocrisy. such as they killed like five people in Tiger Mommy without blinking and Dean almost knifed Kevin's mom. Those deaths are "justified" whatever.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see the show moving forward with a new plan and looking to past isn't the way to accomplish that IMO.
Enjoyed this better than Paranormal Activity 5
ReplyDeletei dont know why most people hated this episode, well i do but sam and dean not being in most of it doesnt make it a bad episode people should have stuck around cuz it was a good episode not amazing but good and entertaining.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry to say, I DID stick around to the bitter end.. It goes against my very fiber to say anything bad about SPN, but this ep sucked big time. ;) Several things against it, I don't like found movies, I don't like eps where nothing is learned, and I don't like eps without Sam and/or Dean. If you enjoyed it, great..different strokes for different folks. But with only 294 for Awesome/good and 229 for Poor/Awful, I will bet they don't try that stunt again. I have never seen the voting this bad before and hope to never again. I LOVE my show.
ReplyDeleteOver the years I can honesty say that I enjoy all epis of Supernatural. However, last night I flat out told my sister "this is most annoying and worst episode I have ever seen". "Bitten" was a complete waste of my time.
ReplyDeleteEasily the most awful epi ever.
ReplyDeleteFreakin' AWFUL
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with you.
ReplyDeleteAWFUL AWFUL AWFUL
ReplyDeleteI found the choppy nature of the hand-held cameras really difficult to watch, and actually swithced it off 20 minutes into the episode. First time I have given up on an episode of SPN. Whilst I aplaid the makers for trying somethign different, this particular episode did not work for me.
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