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8 Oct 2012

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118 comments:

  1. ALLA8 October 2012 at 01:57

    Just one word: CHARMING

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  2. Jean Rafael8 October 2012 at 01:59

    just another word : AMAZING

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  3. Jean Rafael8 October 2012 at 02:00

    Evil Queen Regina ♥

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  4. klutzy_girl8 October 2012 at 02:03

    Oh shit at the end! I figured it would be Cora, but that was still terrifying.

    Love that Regina realized she needs to redeem herself, and good on her for letting Henry going with Charming.

    Yay, August! Glad he's alive.

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  5. C P8 October 2012 at 02:06

    Loved it!


    Glad Regina let Henry go, it's a step in the right direction. Her keeping the book shows she's going to have a long struggle with the part of her that likes magic though.


    Loved Charming's speech to the town.


    So happy to see August's bed empty. Anxious to see where he is.

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  6. SmallvilleSupernaturalCastle8 October 2012 at 02:07

    Wow that was a great episode not awesome tho because surprisngly there was barely any emma and snow in it which i always thought was fine but now i like them more and want to see their side. I did tho love storybrooke story with Charming helping lead the town and grabbing a sword and knocking down regina's door for henry (literally). I really liked Regina and Gold in this and when I saw gold packing to leave i was thinking gold wouldnt be happy learning what happend. He was so pist and i knew he would be and making that deal with charming will come back to haunt them both i think. If charming didnt tell him and rumple walked past all of it would've been over with rumple but no charming had to tell him.
    Anyways Everything rumple did for years and years even crossing worlds and returning magic it was all for nothing at the moment because he cant leave and find baelfire. and that tell's us baelfire definitely left so i wonder if he's now that guy from last week in the beginning!? Lastly the flashback of regina and rumple's first meet was good i wonder tho so rumple met cora and made her magical, then regina basically HOW OLD IS RUMPLESTILTSKIN EXACTLY? I liked their history and explanation of where Cora went to and now she's back in present day with emma and snow meeting her in the cell. I bet this will lead to them bringing cora with to storybrooke which wont be good for regina! Great episode good with cora, needs more emma and snow and EF present day tho.

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  7. SmallvilleSupernaturalCastle8 October 2012 at 02:08

    yea by the looks of it he's alive and moving but in his old wooden form and left. We'll see him soon tho.

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  8. Jean Rafael8 October 2012 at 02:08

    amazing ♥

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  9. Jashack8 October 2012 at 02:10

    This show has turned into a show that I don't want to stop watching, but I don't enjoy watching it. I might enjoy it better if Henry's acting was as good as young Snow White's.

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  10. laura33418 October 2012 at 02:12

    Oh that ending was great,i didn't expect it to be Cora!!

    Finally Regina realized she couldn't force Henry to stay by force against his will just because she wanted it...

    Wow didn't expect to see August blink while he was still made of wood,i guess he started to become alive again since in wasn't in bed,but where did he go?

    More later!

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  11. CBarrows8 October 2012 at 02:15

    Love Young Snow - perfect job casting.

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  12. Jesus Tadeo Ibarra Guerrero8 October 2012 at 02:22

    Best Line of this Episode:
    Regina: I will not listen to Child Care lectures from a man who put this daughter in a box and shipped her to Maine.

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  13. bethanny238 October 2012 at 02:24

    That was a really great episode. I love how this show is evolving.
    I cant wait for next weeks episode to find out whats going on with Snow and Emma. Also, how this boundary thing is going to effect Rumple, since he obviously thought he could leave once the curse was broken.

    And Lana Parrilla's acting was beyond amazing tonight. I mean its always amazing, but it was just really moving to watch her tonight. Im very curious to see if Regina really wants redemption and how she will now act if that is true.

    This season has been fantastic so far, I cant wait for more!

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  14. Bros4ever8 October 2012 at 02:29

    Great episode, loved Charming stepping up and loved seeing Cora she's my new favorite character love her. I'm glad Henry is with David cause I didn't want him with Regina cause he belongs with his real family.

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  15. ALLA8 October 2012 at 02:29

    I love to hate Regina. And here I hated her....Charming did that for her fault...

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  16. playdoc8 October 2012 at 02:30

    That was AWESOME! Yes, I now think that every single episode is awesome, but what the heck, I'll think what I want. ;)

    Regina - My favorite part of the episode was the major character development for Regina, culminating in her moment of honesty and vulnerability with Henry at the stairs. I'm hoping for more of this 'trying to redeem herself' thing, while still fighting the temptation of power. Very well done. I loved the writing. I loved the acting. The direction and editing between past and present were also well done. I couldn't be happier with this part of the storyline.

    David/Charming - "We are both" is a great title for this episode. That speech that Charming/David gave was great. It really was pertinent to all the characters in Storybrooke, and also served to show the growth in Charming/David's character becoming a mix of both characters. And we got that gradual mixing & character development throughout the course of the episode too. I think his character is shaping up nicely for this season as well. Once has really impressed me with how they managed to make their characters even more layered and complex, with room to grow, from last season to this one.

    Snow & Emma - Only a small part for the "missing" mom & daughter, but still gave a nice glimpse into current FTL. I like how proactive Snow is again, now that she has regained her memories of being Snow White. Yeah, I know. They didn't get far. But, at least she tried to do something. ;) Minor quibbles for these two: I hope Emma refers to MM as Snow as the season progresses. I really don't like the "Mary Margaret" name, hoping it phases out eventually. And yes, Emma calling Snow mom at one point before the season ends would also be nice.

    I look forward to every new episode of Once Upon a Time. The storytelling is always riveting and fantastical, bringing me along on their journey, and giving my imagination and fairy-tale-fangirl something to SQUEE about every week. I loved it, and can't wait for more! =)

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  17. CJ8 October 2012 at 02:33

    Charming and Henry are perfect!!! Charming and Red together are bad ass!!! I did miss Snow and Emma but I'll be glad to see them next week.

    But I have to say I AM NOT here for Regina redemption at all!!! I feel as though the writers' ultimate path to redemption would allow Regina to go free and live her life and to me that is not an acceptable option. She needs to actually be sitting in a jail cell somewhere. Henry may forgive her eventually but ultimately she has still raped, and killed, and ruined everyone's lives. There needs to be some consequences for that type of behavior and having Henry "hate her" is not a sufficient punishment.

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  18. laura33418 October 2012 at 02:39

    By the time the writers even begin to let Regina redeem herself, so much is going to go down it will be 2 more seasons at least before that happens......

    And who did Regina rape?

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  19. Chris Roberts8 October 2012 at 02:43

    Great episode but I don't want a redemption arc for regina.She Is villain.
    Very good chance Cora was queen of hearts.I am hoping we get more on past between Cora and rumpie.
    Charming Is off to great season start.

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  20. CJ8 October 2012 at 02:46

    She raped Graham in the Enchanted Forest and in Storybrooke. There was a line in his episode where after she took his heart she told the guard to "take him to my bedchambers" and of course in Storybrooke she still had his heart and he didn't have any free will.

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  21. percysowner8 October 2012 at 02:46

    The huntsman. When she ripped out his heart he had to do her bidding and she ordered him into her bed. He was unable to refuse.

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  22. CJ8 October 2012 at 02:48

    I agree about Regina. And it's good that Charming is interacting with all these different characters this season. I think one of the main flaws last season was having him so isolated from the rest of the cast.

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  23. laura33418 October 2012 at 02:48

    Yep,that's right i forgot all about it,thanks!

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  24. laura33418 October 2012 at 02:49

    Yes i had forgotten all about that,thanks!

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  25. playdoc8 October 2012 at 02:49

    I see what you mean, CJ. While I agree that The Evil Queen needs to pay for her past actions, I also find myself surprisingly enjoying what the writers and the actress has done, showing Regina's gradual character growth. I loved how they told that story in this episode. The juxtaposition between past-Regina becoming The Evil Queen, with present-day-Storybrooke-Regina starting to show her vulnerability and wanting to redeem herself because of the love she has for her son. It was really great storytelling and a well-done character study imo. In terms of story, there really is nowhere to go with a character like The Evil Queen/Regina, or Rumple/Gold, who start out as so purely evil; than to start showing vulnerabilities in those characters and making them more human and complex. Having purely one dimensional evil baddies never makes a show all that good anyway.

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  26. Chase Hunter8 October 2012 at 03:13

    Uhmmm... Although I agree with the idea that redemption for Regina would be a lousy play on things, but I also think that Snow should be punished for what she did and so should Cora. No one I guess remembers that Regina will never be able to have her happy ending it was taken away from her more than once and I honestly believe that Emma and MM/Snow will eventually not want Regina around Henry, so she will lose again. Therefore I thought it was wise she kept the book. I think what would be a classic end would be for her to die (can't believe I just said that) but I just assume that is the only way for there to ever be peace for everyone except that pest Rumple/Mr. Gold. Unless somehow Daniel is able to come back because of some magical loophole, I don't know the show may surprise me. I love that this show, if people can catch it, tells you that not everything is black and white or that there is not only one truth. Instead there are many truths and unfortunately the main truth/story is the one told by the winners i.e. the heros and princesses in the actual fairytales.

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  27. Daniel Alvarez8 October 2012 at 03:32

    Well.... i loved it! the end was absolutely amazing, and was not expecting that at all!
    I hope Regina doesn't reedem herself that fast.... i actually like her seeing her as the badass evil queen, and one of the main reasons i watch this show.
    There's a lot of mystery here!
    and lots of questions!
    I'M LOVING IT! can't wait for the rest of the season!

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  28. magnutude8 October 2012 at 04:19

    Great ep. Nice Regina/Cora backstory and how she wasn't always like he EQ, and seems to possibly be setting up a redemption arc. Nice to see some of the other characters (August!) and finding out what happens if you leave the town... I was about to ask why Pinocchio didn't lose his memories, but I realized that he left before the curse struck and thus was protected from the boundary spell, thus Bae must be as well....

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  29. MeatyStakes8 October 2012 at 04:55

    Loved the episode! Nothing more to say bout that.


    The only thing I'm not sure, is that I think they are bringing even a bigger baddie to make Regina (and maybe even Rumpeltiltskin) look "gooder" on comparison. Not that I disagree with a possible redemption arc for Regina, but bringing Cora as something so more evil is slightly cop-out-ish and contrived in terms of the storytelling. I will make it too easy, is what I'm trying to say.


    That is, if they truly intend to take Regina from Villain to Hero. There's a lot of crossroads ahead, and we don't know if Regina will end even evil than before, or if she will become the ultimately tragic character. As it is, the potential is incredible, either if she is redeemed or not, I only hope they make justice of it on the long run.


    Kudos to Lana Parilla as alwyas, words can't express her awesomeness!!. That scene where she choked Snow was just so freaking unsettling. Mayor props to Bailee Madison; that girl has skill (seriously, that whole scene gave me the creeps) And to ABC: showing a kid being strangled is certainly risky. I loved it!.

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  30. MeatyStakes8 October 2012 at 04:56

    Seriously good casting

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  31. James Swift8 October 2012 at 05:17

    Loved it. Major character development for Regina and Lana Parrilla knocked the ball straight out of the park. Barbara Hershey and Robert Carlyle were fantastic too. Not sure why so many of you are panicking over Regina trying to redeem herself. They're not gonna redeem her this season. It's a long and winding road for her and for all other villains. I think it's great. I'm very much looking forward to it. Same goes for Rumple's story with belle. If Rumple can try to change for Belle, Regina absolutely can and should try to change for Henry. Nothing wrong with that in my book as they won't be successful instantly. They will still struggle with their addiction to magic and power and we will still see their darker sides.

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  32. lsbloom8 October 2012 at 05:20

    Obviously I am in the minority, this episode was another frustrating disappointment. The writing was all over the place. I am not interested in excusing Regina's actions or trying to pawn it all off like she was manipulated by Cora or Rumple. She is a villain, there are no extenuating circumstances that will absolve her of her actions. Plus, the writing and performance were so all over the place. One minute she's supposed to be angelic sweet, the next crazy. I remember Stable Boy, she wasn't a sweetheart, she was horrible to Daniel when she lashed out. And the complete disconnect when she was becoming Cora with Henry was so badly played. It reminded me of the last few Breaking Bad episodes, but with crappy writing and acting so instead of the psychopath coming through it was just illogical and grating.


    I do love Charming and thank goodness for his few scenes, because I was so exhausted trying to care about villain after villain, but the "we are both" speech was just crap. I get where they were trying to go, but much like the nodding at a point with Regina they didn't follow through in a coherent manner. We have to accept that we are trapped? Sure guys you can make life whatever you want--all the potential in the world, as long as you don't step outside of town limits. We have to accept the cursed memories as part of ourselves? WTF I get you are defined by your good actions and your bad actions, but fake memories aren't your bad actions, they aren't your actions at all. Actions based on situations that you would never have been in, with personality traits that don't belong to you, aren't part of you. You may be "both" but you shouldn't be. You only are because the writers needed tension and keep pretending that they "broke" the curse while not having done any such thing.


    I'm tired of villain focus. I want heroes. I want people with good hearts trying to overcome, villains stand in the way of that, they don't steal focus from that. I certainly am not interested in trying to take villains and make them into heroes. Come on, writers, you started with a fairytale premise, don't screw the formula and loose sight of the ball.

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  33. Krista McInturff8 October 2012 at 05:24

    I loved charming this episode! especially with defending henry with the sword.

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  34. lsbloom8 October 2012 at 05:25

    You want to punish a 12 year old girl for telling the truth and trying to help someone? Really? That seems like justice to you?

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  35. lsbloom8 October 2012 at 05:26

    I don't know they hit us pretty hard with it this episode, and they focused almost the entire episode on her and Rumple.

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  36. Kris9078 October 2012 at 05:30

    Lana Parilla wins all the awards. But I also loved seeing more Red/Ruby.

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  37. David Fischer8 October 2012 at 05:43

    So you want to watch Regina sit in a cell for 5 years until the series ends? Boring!

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  38. Chase Hunter8 October 2012 at 05:46

    Yes, she was old enough to have kept Regina's secret and when I was 12 people were bullied and beat up at school if they couldn't keep a secret or spreaded rumors. I'm not saying kill Snow but yes, she deserves some form of punishsment.
    Disclaimer: I was not a bully or ever bullied but I observed quite a bit of others bullying and picking on of the "tattle tales" during those years. Maybe some of them deserved it others not at all.

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  39. David Fischer8 October 2012 at 05:48

    Regina is my absolute favorite. I would love for her to eventually be redeemed.


    What annoys me is when I see the same people ranting about how irredeemable Regina is and how she deserves no happiness.... I see these exact same people cooing over 'poor misunderstood Rumpelstiltskin, and aww he only wants to find his son and OMFG RUMBELLE!' Thats bull. There is no way you can say Regina doesn't deserve a second chance, but Rumple does.

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  40. CJ8 October 2012 at 05:52

    Well I'm not a huge fan of Regina (but Lana's great) so it wouldn't bother me to have her be in a cell. But I don't need the show to try to sell me that she's a "good person" underneath it all. The ONLY reason she's is seeking redemption is because Henry called her out on it and he doesn't want to be around her. I'm sure if Henry was OK with it she would continue on using magic in a completely reprehensible way. Let Regina BE a villian. She's good at it! And then throw her in a jail cell or kill her off when the series ends.

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  41. Chase Hunter8 October 2012 at 05:56

    Although I somewhat agree that they should put more focus on the heroes, and I'm 100% sure that they will and the show in it's entirety will be more about the heroes in the end because that is how all fairy tales work out to be. And that leads to my next point which is that what's wrong with the big focus on the "villains" in the entire world of fairy tales and their movie counterparts the focus is always on the heroes and good guys and their backgrounds but never anything about the "villains" except for they are bad and want to destroy everything. And remember that fairy tales and all stories (fictional and reality) are written from a particular point of view and that there is really not a black and white or good and evil scheme about them, but rather it's just one side fighting with the other side; and the stories are unfortunately always written by the winners or "heroes".

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  42. CJ8 October 2012 at 05:57

    I'm sorry but that logic is totally warped. Snow was a 12 year old child and it wasn't as though she was making up a blatant lie, she was just telling the truth (albeit to the wrong person).
    And I'm also sorry if that was your experience in school but "not keeping a secret" is no justification for physically or emotionally harming someone else...especially a CHILD.

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  43. Chase Hunter8 October 2012 at 06:07

    I get where your coming from and I will try and be respectful. In my opinion you are right about the physical and emotional abuse but people pass the age of 12 are no longer children but young adolescents or "pre-teens" and have to learn that society and life in general can be very rewarding but also be very unfair and that it also revolves around your actions and how you interact with people. You are right that Snow did not tell a lie but she was specifically asked not to tell the truth to anyone including Cora and she failed to do so. Although it was a mistake on her behalf (a really big one) she now has to deal with the consequences of her action. It's hard to say what her punishment should be but she does deserve some form of it.
    Disclaimer: Again being bullied or being a bully was never my experience in school at any grade level it was a simple observation of others in their behavior towards one another.

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  44. Demelza8 October 2012 at 06:08

    I'm a Rumbelle shipper and I don't understand why some of them say he's redeemable but Regina isn't. Imo they both are... and very well can be, if they so choose. I'm going to thoroughly enjoy seeing where both end up by the season (and series) end.

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  45. Jesus Tadeo Ibarra Guerrero8 October 2012 at 06:36

    I totally agree with you. Actions have consequences, and I don't know why, but I think that at some point the writers are going to show us a very dark side of Snow. Maybe she worsened things by doing something more besides the Daniel thing or maybe the way Regina went from Queen to witch hides something that will make Snow a little less likeable.

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  46. Lissie_Bee8 October 2012 at 06:43

    Wow, major kudos to Lana Parilla tonight. We saw so many different sides to her character, and each was fantastically portrayed. I especially loved the scene between her and Henry when she gave him over to Charming. I just love that the villains on this show have so many dimensions.

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  47. phnxgrl8 October 2012 at 07:01

    Actually the redemption part of the story is not what is important it is how magic corrupts. I think the part where Rumpel appeared to a very young Regina was very telling. I believe that Rumpel is drawn to magic. He even knows who can wield it. He knows that Emma could be a great magic wielder if she only believes.

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  48. Eva8 October 2012 at 07:18

    Technically Snow did get punished with her father being murdered, having to send her newly born child to another world, and living with the fact that both she and Charming sleeping with other people. Also there was that time where she was considered a tramp and whore by nearly the whole town for being the 'other woman' with the whole David/Kathryn mess. I think any more 'punishment' would be overkill to be honest.

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  49. Chase Hunter8 October 2012 at 07:22

    You do have a great point there maybe Snow has been punished fairly enough now to where she can be on with her life.

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  50. Chase Hunter8 October 2012 at 07:32

    I completely agree with you that there is a possible double standard with views from the audience and with the characters in the show themselves. Take for example the way Charming handled talking to both Regina and Rumpelstiltskin, he was more respectful, in a way, towards Rumpelstiltskin than with Regina. It could possibly reflect with the views that patriarchal society has towards women who have power or are in power.
    However, the one reason I don't see redeeming Regina or maybe even Rumple a great idea is because in the fairy tales they are tragic characters and that for me is part of the appeal of Regina's character because I, in a rather odd way, love a story that maybe doesn't have a happy ending but who knows maybe the writers will make me want for her character to be redeemed. The show has and will be a very interesting ride for all the characters.

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  51. Sandra Hero8 October 2012 at 08:50

    When Rumple said he and Regina were supposed to be "together" I almost fell off my couch. And he anticipated that magic would seduce her. It's like he knew exactly she would like it and he just had to get the ball rolling to make her become obsessed with it. I'm almost thinking he gave her magic when she was a baby and then waited for the right moment to activate it...

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  52. Victoria Rowe8 October 2012 at 09:03

    Episode was awesome! Lana Parilla is fantastic.
    I'm so excited and curious of how they are going to get Cora involved. It makes me wonder if the writers are going to allow Regina to face her mother after all that time. (I hope they will! *jumps*)

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  53. Leonie19888 October 2012 at 09:12

    Regina wanted to kill her and take her heart. So when I tell a secret to the wrong person at 12, my punishment will be death. That doesn't make sense, not even in FTL ;)

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  54. Marcela Mattiuzzo8 October 2012 at 09:21

    And this, my friends, is why all episodes should be Regina-centric.

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  55. Leonie19888 October 2012 at 09:27

    I wanted to see more Snow/Emma :( now we have to wait another week...

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  56. InvestedInYourFuture8 October 2012 at 10:17

    And you continue to see to want to substitute what is happening with your own strange logic:
    - Just because David Nolan did not know his past, it does not make what he did any less real. Its still part of charming, still part of who he is. Curse did not just turn them into different people, it took away their memories, making them vulnerable and thus showing them their own weaknesses. They are both because memories or not, BOTH of the lives were formed by who they are as people, their IDENTITY. . You may want to not accept it and create this fairytale interpretation upon it but those memories can't be fake because they experienced and created them themselves in Storybrooke. Taking away that would take a way a great deal of very interesting and great characterization from everyone.
    - Curse is broken. The show defined what is a continuous part of the curse (them not remembering) and broke it. You can't "break" the effects that were one-time ones. Storybrooke was created magically - the curse is not "keeping it afloat" and Storybrooke itself is what is causing the barrier. So while curse is broken(yes it is), the Storybrooke itself is what is the problem and they have NO WAY to currently solve it so yes, the only logical way to handle it is to keep living your lives and try to solve it without panicking.

    - Its hilarious to see people classify characters as "heroes" and
    "villains" in a show that has a clearly defined gray morality setting
    and has shown more than once on just how easily can either become the
    other.

    Its clearly not a show for you, maybe you should stick to something...simpler.

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  57. InvestedInYourFuture8 October 2012 at 10:20

    PERFECT episode.

    Oh, Regina, my heart breaks for you. Here we have a character, who was pushed around her entire life in
    desperation, having lost pretty much everything she cared about(which
    pretty much looked the same as what Snow was doing in "Heart of
    Darkness") and here she is trying to change, to be the old her for her
    son and, for the first time since long, she is actually opening up to
    all those emotions, not putting up those walls or "Evil Queen" persona
    as a psychological defenses. And after all theses years, she is finally trying to escape what her mother did to her.And its beautiful and makes her character thousand times more fascinating and relatable.

    The whole episode is exactly that - exploration of from where Regina came and where she is going. In some ways of course it parallels Rumple's own journey of redemption, although Regina seems to try to put way more effort into it right now.


    What can I say, yet another great episode that put tears in my eyes and the show continues to be amongst the best that there can be.

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  58. InvestedInYourFuture8 October 2012 at 10:24

    Not just magic. Power.

    We have seen magicians and kings abuse their power in this show(and I have no doubt that its a huge influence from Jane Espenson who had similar ideas in Buffy).

    As the saying goes absolute power corrupts absolutely and the prospect of having "magic" - shaping the world to your liking is what is addictive. But in a way its no different from Gold's wealth and influence in S1 or King George's reign in FTL flashbacks.

    And Regina, someone who was abused and controlled her entire life suddenly had the power to break free from that, to do whatever she wants...and that kind of temptation, magic or not, is what Rumple banked on.

    Its not about right.
    Its not about wrong.
    Its about power.


    I do love how Regina's deal with Rumple had parallels with Emma's "favor deal".

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  59. nellymendezcolon8 October 2012 at 10:59

    ..AWESOME...all the character embrace by complete there new reallity

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  60. JoshuaAndre218 October 2012 at 11:18

    I thought it was awesome! Not enough Emma and Snow though!


    Wonder why Gold was angry that they couldn't go outside Storybrooke. I thought he would have known that already (after all he did get Henry from Emma for Regina 10 years before, so he must have known how the town worked...)

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  61. JoshuaAndre218 October 2012 at 11:23

    I'm all for Regina getting redemption, but not at season 2- maybe at season 4 or 5... in season 2 and 3 I'll settle for frenemies with Snow, James, Emma, Henry, and the gang! Maybe team up for the back half of the season if there's a recurring 'big bad' in S02 or S03

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  62. McOnceUponATime8 October 2012 at 12:34

    Another amazing episode!!! loved Henry and Charming, loved Regina, loved Regina and Rumplestiltskin, loved Charming and Red - can't wait for the next episode!.

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  63. chairluva4eva8 October 2012 at 12:55

    Loved the Henry/ Charming story, but i just wished we could have seen more of the Emma/ Snow story!!

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  64. DarthLocke48 October 2012 at 13:55

    Loved this one too! So great to see it literally is 'the wif of using magic in this book' that seems to corrupt Regina's innocence and pushes her "fantasies" forward! I thought character wise this was a great episode. Love the re-emphasis that Rumple can see multiple periods of time and I suspect that Cora was sent to Wonderland and she must have been able to return to FTL either once the curse was set in motion or after the curse was broken! (Because we don't know if time stopped in Wonderland, or how it could effect people of FTL who were in Wonderland at the time of the curse)...I was curious too about the whole "but we have met before" aspect to Rumple's conversation and I have to wonder if he was speaking of Regina as a child, or a past life time, and/or if that really is 'the future' he saw and not the past???


    Nice to have Charming in Storybrooke! But Jefferson is such a jerk! Hopefully something can persuade him to work on his hat or find another way to make or find a portal!

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  65. Marcela Mattiuzzo8 October 2012 at 13:55

    The Evil Queen may never get redemption, but Regina might. I think it is pretty clear at this point that, although the characters are obviously connected, they are not exactly the same. Charming/David said so during this episode: he's not only Charming, he is both. In Regina's case, being the Evil Queen gives her magic and power, but being the mayor gives her the chance of finding some sort of happiness.

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  66. lsbloom8 October 2012 at 14:12

    You continue to be rude. Thanks so much for that.


    But here goes.1) Charming didn't "not know his past" as David, that "past" never existed. Those were actions that we never saw him do. Charming never married Katherine. David did. Because Regina set it up that way. When Charming had to make the choice, he did not go through with. Therefore, the cursed "identities" are fictitious based on how Regina decided to torture them. Accepting that as part of themselves is like saying they deserved to be cursed and that the worst outcome Regina could create was actually who they were. None of those things were true. So those fake "identities" shouldn't inform their actual "identities" but they have to now because they still have both sets of memories because the writers needed drama and they decided to wake everybody up. But pretending that they deserve that sort of curse is cruel and unreasonable.2) Even Rumple is taken aback by the fact that they can't leave town. It was part of the curse and he assumed it was broken. Oops, not. broken. Jefferson is in the exact same place he always was. Most of the characters are, they are going back to their workaday jobs and taking responsibility for choices they never made. They are still working in the curse, only now they are self-aware.3) In a show based off of fairytales, it is absurd to not take characters that are classic archetypes of villains and that do horrible things without a shred of motivation besides revenge and self interest, and not consider them villains. It is a fantasy show. The show has not shown a "grey" moral setting. They've shown that being good or evil is about choice. And the "villains" made the wrong choices time and time again. Name one horrible thing that has happened that they've turned around and made you reconsider if the action was actual justified? There isn't one. The closest they've come is trying to make you feel bad for the villain for some other harm done them, not excusing the action. This isn't Wicked. It's still Snow White, and the Evil Queen is still evil, all we've done is give her an evil mother to go with her.

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  67. lsbloom8 October 2012 at 14:22

    The trend of flipping perspective from hero to villain in classic tales, tends to have the effect of making the villain both less villainous and the ultimate protagonist. If in Wicked we didn't respect Elphaba's good heart and the fact that she didn't really do anything wrong, then we wouldn't want to root for her. Regina doesn't have a good heart and she has done lots and lots wrong. They've kept her as a villain, so I have no dramatic tension surrounding her getting what she wants. I don't want her to succeed, I want her fail. And I'm getting tired of seeing her continue to get waht she wants because the writers have canted the show's world against "good." We've not seen something that excuses the fact that Regina cursed a entire world. That she murdered and raped and kidnapped. All the facts remain the same, it wasn't different from one perspective, it's the same story. Fleshing out that Regina had a bad childhood hasn't changed her fundamental actions. If they had wanted to rewrite those, then I think they would be more successful at creating "grey."

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  68. InvestedInYourFuture8 October 2012 at 14:32

    I do not think that magic itself did anything, really. HAVING it, however most likely did, since Regina was placed into a position of power, which, after all the abuse made her feel great.

    AS for meeting before - the major theory is that Cora is the Miller's daughter and Regina is the promised baby that Rumple was denied.

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  69. lsbloom8 October 2012 at 14:37

    Even if she was old enough to keep a secret. She wasn't privy to how evil Cora was, she wasn't the one who actually killed Daniel, it wasn't her idea, she didn't know what Cora would do, she wasn't complicit in Cora's actions. She believed in a world where mothers wanted the best for their daughters and she believed that Regina marrying her dad when Regina didn't want to was wrong both for Regina and for her Dad. Snow's actions had unintended consequences. She intended for Regina to be happy with Daniel and her Dad to be safe without a wife who was in love with another man. Regina only told Snow her secret because Snow caught her kissing another man while she was engaged to Snow's Dad. And Snow was appalled at that. She didn't just tattle, she was manipulated, and she was a child in a difficult position. Protect a woman that she didn't know acting badly's secret or protect her dad and hope for a good result for everyone? I don't think that deserves the death penalty, the murder of her father, exile, etc. Although, I will say in Atonement if they had wanted to kill off Briony, I wouldn't have felt too bad. But I don't think Snow's situation approached that kind of knowledgeable transgression.

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  70. DarthLocke48 October 2012 at 14:54

    I disagree her eyes glowed as she absorbed it. (Just like getting high off of a drug -she was tripping)


    It is possible that Rumple's comments are about Cora, surely, as he said he had a long history with the family, but because he is sort of all seeing, and in the present we see that despite that, he doesn't see or interpret everything right (he didn't think Regina would become her mother), might mean he sees a lot more than just immediate memories, but many memories from many times, and it can mislead him, because he too is not a perfect being...

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  71. InvestedInYourFuture8 October 2012 at 14:59

    Oh my, oh my, lots of unfounded assumptions here and zero arguments so far.

    Frankly, your whole point of view seems to be based around the fact that you hold Regina as evil and as someone who "never has shown to have a good heart", which is untrue, considering the whole narrative of Regina's character shows her struggle in morality, reactions to he own actions and the damage Cora, Snow and Snow's Father have caused to her.

    gray morality narrative, does NOT always excuse one's actions. Its the very basic assumption that everyone is flawed in some way and can make wrong decisions. it does not need to come with an "ends justify means" clause(which frankly is more of Rumple's shtick). Morality is not just a point of view, in such setting, morality is also highly relative and dynamic.

    What we see with Regina is inherently good person capable of good, being forced by circumstances to do evil and, thus, become evil. But just as gray morality setting would dictate, no one is "just" evil or "just" good, so if any "good guy" is capable of something horrible(and we did see that already with Snow in Heart of Darkness), then a badguy is capable of becoming someone good too.

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  72. InvestedInYourFuture8 October 2012 at 15:07

    1) Different life, different memories, yet same IDENTITY. You seem to want to diminish the character development of every character in the show purely because you do not like David's or have a preconceived argument-less notion of the memories being fake? Sorry, it does not work that way.

    2) Except that you are yet again pulling out "facts" without any real arguments. where did it say that Rumple implied the boundaries being part of the curse? Where did it say what Rumple thought beyond "well frack, let's trash this place in anger"? You are putting words into mouths of characters, that were never ever said, nor implied, just so you can find some straws to grasp at your preconceived notion at curse not being broken. As I said before, Jefferson was never magically cursed and the others just resumed the parts of their lives that are just as real, as I said in 1).

    3) You said it yoursef - [b]BASED[/b] on fairytales. The show is all about subverting the expectations, bringing realism and gray morality to the setting and CHANGING the outfcomes of those fairytales. This is the setting where Peter does not get to save the Red Riding Hood and instead gets eaten by her. this is the setting where Evil Queen actually has motives to go after Snow White beyond vanity, this is the setting where Beauty and the Beast have a very far ways to go before being happy, if ever, this is the setting where Prince Charming is a farmer and not even really a prince, this is the setting where Snow White is introduced as a road robber, for pete's sake. The show has always adhered to a different sense of moral setting than usual fairytales and its [b]one of major selling points of this show[/b]. people are not just watching it because there are fairytales. People are watching it because those fairytales are VERY different and interpreted in far more mature and gray setting than the usual. Gray morality means that roles shift, that good guys can decide to do bad things and bad guys can decide to do good - that our destiny is not as simple as a preconceived path of clear morality. So if Snow can spend time robbing passing by nobles and eventually(after a longer time than it took, due to potion speeding it all up for her) get consumed by revenge against Regina, why can't Regina, after a journey of revenge, seek redemption and regain good inside her?

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  73. DarthLocke48 October 2012 at 15:54

    It was great to see August and to remind the viewers he is not forgotten! XD Cora was a great twist! Thought this was another really good one! (:

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  74. DarthLocke48 October 2012 at 15:55

    I am glad there is something to look forward to! (and I wonder if Cora is going to try and come back to Storybrooke with them?????)

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  75. DarthLocke48 October 2012 at 16:10

    I think your point and InvestedInYourFuture's are almost one in the same (as elimination of memory/not remembering are one in the same), except that I think that Regina didn't really get to set anything up, it's more like this is how the curse manifested everything that ever happened to any them in a the limited way...that's why Rumple is SO mad/upset because he did not and could not foresee this, things are not going as he expected, because the curse and/or his bringing of magic has consequences that he doesn't understand (yet).


    I also disagree that the villains are really vileness, or that the actions can't be redeemed. It's just we're just starting out with those paths for those characters... It's true that a lot of the characters made bad decisions, but it's not just the really bad one's either (Regina has a point about shoving your new born in a box and sending it elsewhere)...It's pointing out that they are all victims of circumstance, because a lot of their bad choices come from the repercussions of other's bad choices creating "repressive" situations upon them. In this episode it's also alluded that perhaps a certian kind of magic corrupts your soul and changes who you are...as Rumple became the Dark One (transformation) and Regina (and Cora by extension) "inhaled" magic and it fed into their fantasies for lust and power. (It's a drug...and addictions are physically hard to break,as even the latest research shows one's neural pathways can get rewired after crossing a certain point with certain kinds of addictions making it much harder for that person to be able to ever break their addictions)


    So I don't think who any of them are, are black and white, or that they are all guilt free of making bad decisions...

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  76. laura33418 October 2012 at 16:31

    Boy,we sure are getting the "eyes" this week,ha!chuckled when he did that!Ya it really was a good episode,with a lot happening and a lot to think about..

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  77. DarthLocke48 October 2012 at 16:35

    Ya even Regina's glowed! :O

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  78. laura33418 October 2012 at 16:36

    I took Rumple saying to Regina they had met long,long ago as when she was a kid,maybe even as a baby...but now?

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  79. Mohd Taufik Mohammad8 October 2012 at 16:37

    Aww, now I miss the huntsman!

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  80. Mohd Taufik Mohammad8 October 2012 at 16:41

    I'm surprised nobody has ever mentioned something about Pinocchio! I'm glad that his father found him and thanks to Henry. Of all the father-child separation story, I think Pinocchio was the saddest one. I want the Stranger to be back!


    Charming is extra amazing this week and with the town getting chaotic, he's being a great leader for them. Regina is amazing too. I've never loved to hate her, I just hated her, but this week shows that I should give her an opportunity to love to be hated. And why not if she really redeemed herself, she might just be loved.


    Everything is amazing!

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  81. DarthLocke48 October 2012 at 16:41

    I don't think it's bad story telling because again having these specific writers going back to their roots and relationship to Lost and really by extension Fringe, they have expounded multiple universe and things run in families (DNA -quantum mechanics) in a much LARGER way than the other workd that I find fascinating and fantastic, as it covey's the idea that almost everyone is in the same boat, and an exploration on how it is cycles get broken, once we can finally create new variables or re-arrangement of them that pushes for change (evolution).


    But everything else I agree with (:

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  82. laura33418 October 2012 at 16:42

    I agree,i love watching Lana,she is perfect as the EQ and Regina! This is the role of a lifetime for her!

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  83. Elen8 October 2012 at 17:01

    Great. Only reason I didn't vote Awesome was because I was disapointed with how August was not in his room when his father went to look for him. Everything else was great. And Lana Parilla keeps getting better and better. She is simply amazing.

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  84. Chase Hunter8 October 2012 at 17:06

    I disagree with you, even though it would be rather boring in my view for Regina to be redeemed, she could be and she has a heart that is neither good or evil. Nobody's heart is good or evil, Like I have said before there are many sides to a story and no side is better than the other or one side is good and the other is bad. You have to learn to see it from all perspectives. Hoping to not offend anyone here but let me make a real world ananlogy. Take the Catholic church for example, to many they are a source of good because they have helped them or offered them a form of comfort on the other hand they have also murdered millions of people throughout the centuries and have abused children even still today. So, it depends on which side you are on that you think one is good and the other is evil. Everything is really a grey area when you start to pick apart and examine it.

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  85. Chase Hunter8 October 2012 at 17:10

    I somewhat agree and disagree with you. Maybe it is possible that since Regina and Cora's magic came from a dark place from the start i.e. Rumple, then they might be more keen to use it for dark reasons however not all magic is bad, what about the Fairies? Maybe if Regina had learned magic from someone else or by herself, the magic might have been used for something good.

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  86. lsbloom8 October 2012 at 17:31

    Morality may be a relativistic, socially constructed concept, but there are still some fundamental good/evil lines that most societies generally agree on: murder, rape, kidnapping children, killing your own father in cold blood for your own ends. Along those lines revenge is almost never a concept associated with justice.


    Regina has shown no inclination towards redemption. Rumple has, both with Belle and with his son. He is flawed--he likes power--he started off good, but weak, and dark power corrupted him, but he initially had a noble goal: save his son. Regina has had no such nobility to her actions. And she isn't learning lessons, regretting what she's done, self-reflecting. She has misplaced anger towards Snow. And that anger knows no stopping point. Not killing Snow's father, not putting Snow into a coma, not putting a hit out on Snow's life, not throwing Snow's love into a dungeon, not cursing an entire world, not setting Snow up for murder and putting out a hit on someone who was ostensibly one of only a few people who were nice to her to do so. The only regret Regina has is when she gets beaten and that doesn't teach her a moral lesson. And it isn't for lack of figures in the show telling her better. I don't think that they've shown her to have a good heart. Putting her in pastels and making her smile, doesn't mean that her motivations have changed. She fantasied about strangling a small child...that's not a "good" heart. That's a psychopath. Henry shouldn't need to teach her the lesson of not being Cora, she should already know the lesson the very fact that she would resort to those measures shows that she isn't inherently good, but decent to people as long as it suits her purposes and horrible when it doesn't. She has one goal: revenge, beyond reason, beyond justice, beyond redemption. Redemption requires that she both regret her decision and attempt to make ammends. Having a good heart, isn't just being put upon by others, but when it comes time to make a choice, doing the right thing or the honorable thing. That's why they have the whole good can't kill evil thing.


    For all your talk about grey, the show itself is very black and white. All the choices are painfully clear within the world itself. From an audience perspective, sure, Snow should have shot Regina with the silly arrow. problem solved. But not in the show, no grey. Evil is evident--in art direction in foundational story. They have changed some fairytales, but they haven't subverted them. I brought up Wicked because Gregory Maquire started this whole trend, but he followed through with it. He changed the message. OUAT has not yet changed any of the messages for all their fiddling and combining.

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  87. DarthLocke48 October 2012 at 17:35

    That's a great point! I am not saying it isn't about choice and 'will', but maybe there is something to different types of magic (dark and light) and not just choice?


    On another note I think there's also a good argument given Mother Superior's somewhat cold FTL counterpart Blue Fairy's motives are also truly good or come from a good place. I think at the heart there is something here about if any magic is ever really bad, because maybe we need the struggle (struggling is natures way of strengthening) in order to truly better ourselves and be happy?!

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  88. DarthLocke48 October 2012 at 17:39

    In this episode and in a past episode we know he sees the future (and argumentativenelly the past since it's possible Rumple became apart of the dark one and has access to others (memories/knowledge) that came before him and also converged with the dark one's previous essences...we just don't know if the dark one is a person, or a force that converges and devours people?)

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  89. laura33418 October 2012 at 17:57

    I just starting watching last nights episode once again!

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  90. Chase Hunter8 October 2012 at 18:07

    Well, I now think that you are a prime example of the double standard within the audience and show with Regina and Rumple, which I stated earlier on these comments somewhere. Regina did once have a "good" heart (although no one has a good/evil heart) unfortunately she lost it when she was abused as a child by Cora, her entire life has been influenced by Rumple, she trusted Snow with a very important secret and she was betrayed, she lost the love of her life, she was forced into a marriage (although that could be very debatable now with what this episode revealed) and in the end, based on my own assumptions, she will lose Henry.
    Again, all things are grey when you disect every little detail. In the original fairy tale of Snow White, in the end it was Snow and her Prince who forced the Queen to wear red hot iron shoes and make her "dance" until she died. Now, that doesn't seem very sunshine, goody goody two shoes, does it? No, because it is a grey area. And again if you really examine the show, the one message that can change a persepctive of a story is that there are many (not just two) sides to the story. Every character has their own side, experience, or view to the main plot.

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  91. InvestedInYourFuture8 October 2012 at 18:27

    Her eyes glowing could be just indication of her absorbing magic, being addicted to the thrill of actual power, not at magic as drugs.


    Anyway if Cora is Miller's daughter then it all fits:
    - Cora makes a deal, promises the first-born.
    - Cora somehow screws Rumple over out of his deal, but before that happens Rumple gets to meet/hold baby-Regina.
    - Rumple punishes Cora by making her daughter turn against her and then whatever he was planning for Cora, plans for Regina.

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  92. LeechyT8 October 2012 at 19:01

    Snow should be punished? Well, you either have never lived with tough choices or you are not old enough to understand what they are. Snow was a little girl full of hurt over the loss of her mother. Cora was a woman who manipulated that fact to her advantage. GIRL- WOMAN! Child- Adult! Get it! That's why there are laws in this world to protect children who are not just victims to crimes but to those who commit them as well. Cora is responsible not only for Regina but for Snows actions as well. More so for snow actually because she was younger and more naive. However Regina was a victim to years of abuse as well. Not an excuse for her but children either take the same path or the total opposite of their abusers. IF you still are blind enough to believe that Snow SHOULD be punished. Did you not watch the first season??? I am pretty sure she has been punished enough. I don't think she deserved it though. She loved Regina and she really wanted her to be happy. Cora told Snow she just wanted Regina's happiness. She told Cora thinking she would understand and that Regina could marry Daniel. She wanted Regina to be her mother yet she was selfless enough, at 12, to see she was in love and wanted her to have her happiness in spite of her own desire to have a mother again.

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  93. S.A.S8 October 2012 at 19:11

    Hmm, what Cora gonna do or gonna teach them.

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  94. lsbloom8 October 2012 at 19:17

    The standard is the same: intent and regret. Rumple and Regina have not shown to have similar actions on those scales. Regina's intent was revenge against the wrong party and she hasn't regretted her actions. Rumple's intent was to save his son, and he has shown regret for his actions. Same standard, different characters.

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  95. DarthLocke48 October 2012 at 19:19

    Last weeks episode referenced Purple Haze in relation to Rumple's/Gold's purple magic.


    "Purple Haze" is most iconically know as a psychedelically DRUG-culture song of the late 1960's made famously by Jimmy Hendrix. Hendrix claimed to inspired by his purple pills (drugs) and a science fiction story called "Night Light" by Philip Jose Farmer. -But the first known use of the phrase 'purple haze' comes from Charles Dickens' (another British drug user) "Great Expectations" (which our writers along with Abrams/Reeves explored the themes of in Felicity, which seems to be personified here in Once). Regina's magic she "inhaled" was also of the purple variety...


    Additionally Alice and Wonderland was also revived in the 1960's drug culture, as Lewis Carroll blatantly had Alice take drugs (pills) and featured a "hookah smoking" Caterpillar among Wonderland's "trippy" landscape.


    Some of us theorize that Cora was sent to Wonderland and became the Queen of Hearts...Additionally Alice derives from Medeivel "Alys", first seen in Canterbury Tales apart of Arthurian Legend which we know we are segwaying to this season, and also now Emma (Alice, but not just Alice) and Cora finds herself in the time of Lancelot....

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  96. Lost_At_Sea8 October 2012 at 19:20

    Loved it! Last week was great, but this was fantastic!


    Anyone else get a Lost Season 2 vibe from the ending? Captured characters are thrown in a pit and meet a woman? Cora clearly has something else up her sleeve, it was a spine-tingling ending! Awesome!

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  97. CBarrows8 October 2012 at 19:37

    Many people don't like the idea of any kind of redemption for Regina - I'm interested if any of these people also supported/did not support any kind of redemption for Benjamin Linus in Lost - who arguably did much worse than Regina. I hate to bring Lost into it, but it's a good comparison.

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  98. sdwhiskey8 October 2012 at 20:30

    Lana Parilla is simply awesome. I loved seeing more of Regina's backstory, and of course her relationship with her mother, played by the equally awesome Barbara Hershey. I don't think we're going to get a full-blown redemption storyline for Regina, which is good IMO, but I like that the writers are delving a little deeper into why she is the way she is. Villains can be well-rounded characters too!

    Charming was wonderful and I have to say... he has mad chemistry with Regina. Loved their scenes together.

    I was glad to see Jefferson back and hopefully we'll find out about August soon. I liked the teaser ending with Snow & Emma, and of course Cora... yikes! Should be quite a ride!

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  99. Courts8 October 2012 at 21:05

    Wait, what? When has Rumple shown to want redemption? He dropped his son into a portal, blamed fairies and then orchestrated a plan that would punish everyone so he could get them back. Then after promising his girlfriend that he wouldn't kill Regina, he tried to kill Regina. I don't really see the ache for redemption there.

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  100. Courts8 October 2012 at 21:06

    I have yet to see any regret for Rumple's actions. Just glee or being upset that his actions had consequences for himself and not others.

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  101. James Swift8 October 2012 at 21:14

    Wait when did Rumple show regret?

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  102. DarthLocke48 October 2012 at 22:10

    I agree when ever he has some remorse it's exceptionally short lived.

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  103. DonnaSue Keys8 October 2012 at 22:22

    This might be a leap- but is it possible that Bae took August? Bae & August were OUTSIDE Storybrooke... perhaps they even know each other somehow.


    OUAT is def a wonderful show! Love ALL the diff characters they use.... not just Disney, but every fantasy fairy tale story ever. . . now Lancelot..... and Cora- I too thought of the Evil Queen of Hearts.


    If Emma will just call MM, Snow, the refugee's will get it! lol

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  104. lsbloom8 October 2012 at 22:51

    When he thought August was his son, and when Regina came to him about not killing Katherine and he went to Archie.

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  105. 04ikhan9 October 2012 at 00:07

    I did not expect to see Regina's mother Cora alive at the end of the ep, I knew she maybe alive in a different dimension and may see her later in the season but not so early

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  106. prpleight9 October 2012 at 00:19

    I agree with you completely! Though the element of her performance that really stuck out to me was the sense of vulnerability she displayed in the flashbacks. That vulnerability seemed more profound to me than it was in the scenes when she first met Snow. Fantastic performance.

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  107. prpleight9 October 2012 at 00:26

    loved loved loved this episode. There was so much there. I liked the Charming wasn't portrayed as perfect. Last season that was pretty much all we saw of him; he always made the best decision. In this episode he spent a lot of time putting his family first..and nearly allowing disaster to hit the town. (I still chuckle at Dr. Whale wondering if the nuns can date. hee hee) Everything about Regina was fantastic. Even loved Henry going upstairs and straight to the window. lol. (That bed linen rope must've had some kind of core to it...my first thought when he attached the carabiner to the radiator was that can't possibly be strong enough. )


    Was Rumpie planning to take Belle with him? I didn't see any sign, as he was packing, that he was planning on it.


    When Snow and Emma got dragged into town I kept trying to figure out if any of the people they passed recognized her. I'm assuming Lancelot will. The reveal of Cora seemed to indicate that they're not,in fact,in fairy tale land...but yet another dimension and that's why they weren't sent to Storybrooke. Hmm, so CAN Regina help bring them back?

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  108. omabin9 October 2012 at 01:31

    wow amazing. lana parilla is incredible, she should get some recognition this season. Also, I love the charming character so I was very happy he had so much focus tonight. Josh Dallas also did not disapoint. Loved everything about this. The story of the evil queen certainly is a tragic one. But the final twist left me speechless, i dd not see that one coming! also, where is pinochio?

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  109. prpleight9 October 2012 at 07:33

    I don't see the presence of Cora as the introduction of a villain to replace Regina. I see her presence as directly related to Regina's quest for redemption. I think the final stage of the redemption story will be about Regina finding the strength to resist being the woman her mother worked so hard to create. And, given the way mother's can push their daughters buttons I can see how that can be Regina's true test of redemption.

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  110. MeatyStakes9 October 2012 at 20:47

    That's the point; it's essentially both. I mean, it won't be necessarily bad; actually it could lead to a very compelling storyline for Regina.

    But in terms of roles in the storytelling, Cora would be essentially replacing Regina as "the big bad" and the conflict obviously casting Regina in a better light.

    I dunno, I just feel like is the easy way out to redeem Regina. (If they do, they could easily pull an Arvin Sloane on her)

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  111. MeatyStakes9 October 2012 at 20:59

    Grandiosity of themes aside, bringing Cora back serves the practical purpose of making Regina look better, Plain and simple. She just won't be the evil-est of the bunch anymore. And that as a device is what I point as the easy way out.

    Of course, all of this is separated of how it will be handled. I have confidence that it will make for a compelling story of redemption (if that really is were they are going for, maybe there's a twist somewhere in there)Regina gaining the hindsight that she became her mother and trying to remedy that could be underlying theme of her path this season.

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  112. DarthLocke49 October 2012 at 22:02

    Considering all of the writers previous works, I do think this is pro humanism and ultimately your second paragraph is why I think there is nothing easy abut making Regina appear better, since they decided to make Cora alive and relative in the present. It suggest that this isn't just about a redemption arc for Regina, but a specific confrontation between these women needs to be resolved, and by extension Rumple since he is the one who presented these women with the ability to have such power. It's becoming clearer that Cora fell pray to power to allegedly give her daughter a future, that in some ways bodes slightly better than having power to in act revenge, because you are mad at your mother, but choose to take it out on others instead. But we don't know Cora's full story, so those things could change.


    Additionally one can make an argument that the darkest of magic, or the darkest use of magic goes deep into FTL's past and so to make that clear we do need to make the some what s1- bad characters more humanized in order to get to possible origins of these dark things, suggesting the newer generations are changing the standard use of, or belief in use of magic. It could be considered thematic.

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  113. Leonie19889 October 2012 at 22:40

    I bet she will!

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  114. phnxgrl10 October 2012 at 02:14

    Power and Magic are just two words which mean the same thing. The ability to do what you want when you want to do it without any compromises.

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  115. prpleight10 October 2012 at 03:23

    It's possible. But I don't think Cora is destined to be a regular cast member. And I don't think Regina is destined to be a permanent good guy. She's the Evil Queen. How do you un-evil the Evil Queen? I'm hoping for 'more complex' not good.

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  116. MeatyStakes11 October 2012 at 02:48

    Hope you are right, but that's how Cora's reappearance smells to me. A villain does not have to be a regular cast member; in most shows, they are not.

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  117. David Fischer13 October 2012 at 08:27

    Regina IS his real family and his REAL mother. The Charmings may be blood related to him but Henry doesn't even know them. He just walked off and decided he wanted to live with a bunch of strangers.

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  118. David Fischer13 October 2012 at 08:31

    Frankly, I hope Regina gets a happy ending. It would just get depressing seeing her suffer year after year just necause fate hates her. I'd probably start rooting for her to kill everyone else if it would give her some semblance of peace.


    There's a difference between tragic character and long, drawn out emotional torture of a character.

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