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Once Upon a Time - Episode 2.04 - The Crocodile - Sneak Peek 3

18 Oct 2012

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68 comments:

  1. SmallvilleSupernaturalCastle18 October 2012 at 16:26

    wow rumple its so weird seeing him like this I actually even last season felt bad for him more than any other character. In his first life before the dark one he was treated poorly and shown in the 2nd clip even by his wife. He was wounded and couldnt be the man he thought he needed to be and with all that I feel sad for him its hard. And even now that moment with charming is sad. Belle may actually be able to calm the beast but im not forgetting he's rumple first and rumple is a villain. Idk whats going to happen but Robert does a tremendous job on once and would be heartbroken to lose him.

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  2. Ralissa Vassilissa18 October 2012 at 16:51

    "Are you asking me dating advice??" *rofl*
    I really don't like the fact that Charming's not as hostile towards Rumple as he is towards Regina. Although with Regina I prefer to read it more along the lines of sexual tension rather than mere distrust. :D

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  3. Justine Kubica18 October 2012 at 17:07

    I'm so gonna love this episode! Love this duo!

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  4. laura334118 October 2012 at 17:22

    After seeing the second promo and now this,i can say,Rumple you are breaking my heart!

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  5. klutzy_girl18 October 2012 at 17:41

    Oh God, I laughed so hard at this.

    I really hope this turns into a friendship for these two, tbh. That'd be pretty interesting.

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  6. phnxgrl18 October 2012 at 17:47

    I loved how David is telling Rumpel how it worrked for Him and Mary with total Honesty! I hope Rumpel figures it out with Belle!

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  7. phnxgrl18 October 2012 at 17:49

    No Rumpel is not a villain. He is not looking to harm anyone. He is just neutral which could be worst than someone in direct opposition.

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  8. lsbloom18 October 2012 at 18:10

    Rumple has helped Charming, more than once, and never tried to kill him. He doesn't know every bad thing that Rumple has done. Regina has pointedly gone after him and everyone he cares about at every turn. So it seems pretty reasonable that he would view them differently.

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  9. lsbloom18 October 2012 at 18:11

    I love Mayor Charming. I just wish they'd give him a real name.

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  10. klutzy_girl18 October 2012 at 18:17

    I was waiting for it last episode, but his mom kept calling him "Son" and it annoyed me.

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  11. lsbloom18 October 2012 at 18:28

    Word. It was pretty silly. :)

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  12. Caz7418 October 2012 at 19:13

    Isn't his name James? I'm sure that's what he was called in the episode when he became the prince.

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  13. David Fischer18 October 2012 at 19:18

    Not looking to harm anyone? Tell that to Gaston, Cinderella's fairy-godmother, his servant, Regina, and countless other people he's hurt and manipulated, all intentionally. And thats not even bringing up the fact that he was the one to invent the curse.


    I love Rumple, but he's hardly some neutral bystander. He's out for himself.

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  14. lsbloom18 October 2012 at 19:19

    We aren't allowed to call him that. People around here get pretty PO'd. Technically James is the dead twin's name. In S1 the show called him James all the time, but now they aren't...so I'm trying to keep up with the times--plus I piss enough people off around here.

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  15. klutzy_girl18 October 2012 at 19:44

    Nope, that was his dead twin brother's name.

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  16. Courts18 October 2012 at 20:20

    Charming's not too smart. He hasn't put together the pieces yet.

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  17. NotaHater18 October 2012 at 20:28

    Although I agree to some extent, he's actually out to find his son.

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  18. lsbloom18 October 2012 at 21:22

    He's not neutral in like a Switzerland way. But he is willing to make deals with any side (as long as there is something he wants in the deal). And he's always upfront about the terms of the deal and he keeps his word. So he's neutral in that he's not picking sides and he's been willing to help anybody.

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  19. lsbloom18 October 2012 at 21:26

    Pieces of what? Rumple hasn't shown himself to be Charming's enemy. Why would he treat him as if he were? Rumple has his own plans and magic has consequences, and Charming tries to keep that at arms' length, but Rumple isn't against Charming and there's no telling when Charming might need a favor again in Storybrooke so it makes sense to help him do something harmless if he can and maybe have a chip to cash in in the future.

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  20. Bruce_F18 October 2012 at 22:22

    That was highly amusing. Anytime we get to see Gold at a loss and in need of advice it's going to be fun to watch.

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  21. Preity Ash18 October 2012 at 22:49

    He created
    the curse that forced Charming to give up his newborn baby and robbed
    him and Snow of the chance to raise Emma. But hey, no biggie.

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  22. lsbloom18 October 2012 at 22:56

    Rumple provided Charming and everyone else with the solution to the curse that Regina enacted. Without his help they'd still be cursed (well more than they are currently) and Emma would be a baby forever and they've never get a chance to be together.


    I don't follow the Regina apologists' logic that Rumple was responsible for the curse. She enacted it, she set up the rules, she's responsible for the curse. Yeah, he made it, and it just sat there until Regina was ready. Without her, it never would have happened. Charming has every right to find Rumple to be an ally in the fight against Regina, because he's acted as an ally in the fight against Regina.

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  23. Ralissa Vassilissa18 October 2012 at 23:11

    I said I don't like it, I didn't say I don't understand why. :P

    But in any case, I don't think Charming should be all too happy to help Gold. After all, he knows Gold double-crossed Emma and didn't care what would happen to Henry. He knows Rumple brought magic to Storybrooke and called upon the soulsucker to assassinate Regina. Gold was much more directly responsible for the wraith taking Emma and Snow away than Regina was, especially if you follow Mulan's logic that whoever caused the wraith's arrival in their land was to blame for Phillip's death.

    On the other hand, Charming's anger towards Regina should be at least a little mitigated after witnessing her love and selfless concern for Henry.

    On a sidenote, it was a nice touch in 2x03 when Charming explained that Regina had called him about Henry. :) But I want to actually see more of this new dynamic between them in a scene, that ought to be fun. :D

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  24. Ralissa Vassilissa18 October 2012 at 23:15

    He doesn't really want to put the pieces together. He's not particularly interested in either Regina or Rumple's backstory, he just wants them out of his life, I think. And he often comes across as arrogant, imo, which annoys me, but Josh Dallas is just too adorable and charming not to like. :D

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  25. lsbloom18 October 2012 at 23:19

    Just cause you like Regina, doesn't mean her victims should. :)

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  26. phnxgrl18 October 2012 at 23:26

    Yes he created it But it was Regina who used it!

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  27. phnxgrl18 October 2012 at 23:29

    You misunderstood where he is neutral. I did not say he was not culpable for his bad actions. He is neutral in the tug a war between Regina and David over Henry.

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  28. phnxgrl18 October 2012 at 23:30

    Also recapture's Belle's heart.

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  29. Preity Ash18 October 2012 at 23:40

    Excuse me? You're the one who's dragging Regina into this. I never said a word about her. And I don't fancy myself an apologist either. Not sure what you're getting at there?

    Rumple created a curse that he wanted to see put to use because it would transport him to our world where he still hopes to find his son. It doesn't make Regina a better person in any way and it doesn't negate her role in getting said curse on the way. But it should be allowed to point out that Rumplestiltskin creating the curse had severe consequences for people like the Charmings.

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  30. lsbloom18 October 2012 at 23:44

    You are putting the blame for the curse and it's consequences on Rumple instead of Regina. That's what I'm getting at there.

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  31. Preity Ash18 October 2012 at 23:47

    Are you honestly trying to say Rumple deserves no blame at all for the curse he created? Seriously?

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  32. lsbloom18 October 2012 at 23:54

    I've said it before. :) Rumple takes some blame for creating the curse, but Regina made it happen. Made the sacrifices. Made the choice. Rumple wasn't willing to do any of that. And that blame is partially mitigated by also giving everybody else the way out of it. What happened to the Charmings happened because Regina wanted it to. And if Charming was going to blame anyone, he should blame Regina.

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  33. Ralissa Vassilissa18 October 2012 at 23:56

    And I don't get why attacking Regina somewhat diminishes Rumple's fault in your view. But fine, let me in turn explain why I consider Rumple a bigger villain.
    Have you seen "We Are Both" already?
    Had Rumple not come into Cora's life, Regina could have had a happy life and never had reason to enact the Dark Curse. Instead of being corrupted by magic, Cora would've been supportive of her daughter, Regina & Daniel would have married. Assuming magic was the reason Snow's horse went wild, in its absence Regina and Snow might have never met. King Leopold would have married someone else, everyone could have had a happy ending.

    To put it another way, Rumple's interventions were a "causa sine qua non" for the Dark Curse to be enacted.

    In addition, it is implied that Rumple manipulates multiple lives to achieve his master plan (and no one knows what that is yet) without regard for the casualties.
    As for the "he just created the curse, but Regina enacted it" argument, he manipulated her into enacting it. He played a major role in her life, always steering her down the path of self-destruction, because he needed her to enact it. In a way, he destroyed the innocent, inexperienced, kind, Regina in order to create the Evil Queen.
    So yes, I do think he is more of villain than her.

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  34. Ralissa Vassilissa19 October 2012 at 00:04

    Oh, you're so intent on attacking Regina in order to defend Rumple, it's almost hilarious. :D

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  35. lsbloom19 October 2012 at 00:09

    You brought them together in your original post. ;)

    Rumple offered Regina--who was miserable--choices. She took them. He wasn't standing over her shoulder coaching her to rip out her father's heart and pursue a path of revenge. She did that, despite warnings to the contrary. Rumple didn't manipulate crap and he specifically says that. Free will. Regina liked dark magic. She wanted revenge on her Mom, he gave her a way. She wanted power, he gave her a way. She called him first. Rumple offered the same choices to Snow and with help she turned away from those paths. Actions define. Regina's actions make her a murderer, manipulator, liar, kidnapper, and rapist, whose only goal is revenge. Rumple is a murder and manipulator, but his initial and continued goal is family, and that softens it a bit. Plus, he's never killed any main characters out of spite.


    Rumple chose to kill the dark one and become him. I don't keep blaming the original dark one for everything that Rumple did. He continues to make his own decisions and Regina continues to make hers.

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  36. Bruce_F19 October 2012 at 00:13

    I think it's pretty close to equal as far as blame goes. It's no different than the guy who makes a vest for a suicide bomber. He knows what he's making. He knows it's only used to hurt and to destroy and that no good could possibly come from it, yet he puts it out into the world anyway.

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  37. Ralissa Vassilissa19 October 2012 at 00:13

    Yes, Regina made the sacrifices. She did because Rumple put A LOT of time and effort into turning her into the Evil Queen, so she could enact it for him.
    But it's not because he didn't WANT to make the sacrifices. He was, after all, a "desperate soul". He would have done anything.

    But the sacrifice required was "the heart of the thing you love most". Let's see...was there anyone/anything in Rumple's life he loved, other than the son transported to a different dimension, and the girl he couldn't accept could love him, let alone admit he loved her back? (and before he knew it, she was also missing) So it seems that Rumple didn't have anything to sacrifice in order to enact the curse.

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  38. lsbloom19 October 2012 at 00:14

    I don't like Rumple. He's a bad guy. But I do take issue with the idea Regina isn't. And I take serious issue with trying to absolve Regina's crimes by blaming them on Rumple through some six steps back cause and effect. It also leads to absurd conversations were we blame Snow for the sheriff's death. Just because some fans have decided that they like Regina, doesn't make her a hero instead of a crazy obsessed violent killer.

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  39. Sandra Hero19 October 2012 at 00:24

    That's the most bromantic scene I've seen on this show so far. I love how Rumple asks Charming for advice!

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  40. lsbloom19 October 2012 at 00:24

    But for him, there was some good...getting back to Bae, righting his one big wrong. And he obviously waited a good long time for it get used, so he had nothing against the "bombs" targets. So IMO the person used the "vest" to intentionally hurt those specific people should be blamed by those targets.

    I agree that they are both villains. And that Rumple is single-minded in his ends justify the means goal attainment. But the convoluted causality used by Regina apologists to absolve her of guilt is taking it too far. Rumple should be blamed for the things he actually does--like squishing wagon drivers. And he should get credit where credit is due. Regina never helps anyone but herself. Rumple has been and continues to be a valuable ally.

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  41. C P19 October 2012 at 00:26

    It's going to be great seeing the whole scene Sunday.

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  42. C P19 October 2012 at 00:28

    Haha me too!

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  43. Bruce_F19 October 2012 at 00:29

    "But for him, there was some good...getting back to Bae, righting his one big wrong."

    Attempting to write his wrong at the cost of everyone and everything around him, just like when a suicide bomber blows himself up he believes he's making a positive difference. You can't write a wrong by committing or helping to commit an utterly selfish and destructive act.

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  44. C P19 October 2012 at 00:30

    I don't get PO'd.


    Will say it's probably more fitting to call him David right now if using a first name.

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  45. C P19 October 2012 at 00:35

    Rumple makes deals with anyone, he helped Regina, but he has also helped Charming in the past. And with the creation of the curse, it was all about getting Bae back. He knew Regina would use it. Rumple created the curse to find his son, Regina used it out of hate. Regina's a bit more at fault and him creating it to find his son is a bit more sympathetic than Regina's reasons for using it.

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  46. lsbloom19 October 2012 at 00:45

    I agree with that (and I did say so :). But I think motivations change things a little bit. Make them slightly better or slightly worse. Like hate crimes.

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  47. C P19 October 2012 at 00:46

    In my eyes, Regina and Rumple are about equal, but you seem to really favor Regina and the idea of Charming hopping in bed with her. Secret fantasy?


    If David didn't do it, I don't see it happening with Charming. Sorry.

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  48. Ralissa Vassilissa19 October 2012 at 00:46

    Again, I'm left wondering whether we're watching the same show. Are you sure you've seen "We Are Both"?

    Because sure, he offered her a choice to use magic, yes. She was terrified of the idea of killing anyone. She did make a choice not to kill her mother, but merely to send her to another world and thus be safe of her. She expressly told Rumple she didn't want to use magic after that. He insisted that he could teach her. She repeatedly declined his offer to use magic, she didn't want anything more to do with it. Despite the fact that she loved it, she was strong enough to return the book and turn away. After using magic for the first time, to protect his son, he wasn't as strong to willfully give it up. See the difference there?
    But turning back to Regina, she asked him expressly if she could use magic, but avoid becoming like her mother. And he was just so upfront with her, wasn't he? Notice the absence of the usual warning that "Magic always comes at a price"? Instead, he convinced her that she could still be herself. He insisted that she could "do so much now". That seems manipulative enough to me.

    As for the parallel with Snow White, I always found that that reduced Regina's culpability in a way. Because unlike Regina, Snow actually had people who truly loved her and actually helped her.

    Charming prevented Snow from killing the Queen, so she wouldn't "fill her heart with darkness". In stark contrast, both the Genie/Mirror and Henry (Regina's father) gave her information about dark magic and assassins without a second thought. The dwarves noticed Snow being unkind and tried to make her see that even though she couldn't. When Regina was terrified and complained to her father that she's angry all the time and Cora's making her crazy, all she got was a "Are you sure it's not cold feet?" followed by the helpful information of who taught Cora dark magic. Talk about fatherly love.
    The warnings that enacting the curse would leave a void in her soul - well, that was just too little, too late.
    In any case, the parallel with Snow just brings out how much of a victim Regina truly is. And it is important to understand Regina's backstory in order to understand why she enacted the Dark Curse.
    And I'll stop here because honestly I don't have the time to counter all of your arguments.

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  49. Ralissa Vassilissa19 October 2012 at 01:03

    No, not at all secret. :D I do ship Evil Charming quite openly, and I have my reasons, but that's a matter for another discussion. Besides, I've already explained myself time and again. Anyway, I know it won't happen now, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy the Regina/Charming scenes. ;)

    And yes, proud Evil Regal over here. Regina's just the most fascinating and complex character on the show, in my opinion. I don't view her as "equally bad" as Rumple. I have sympathy for her, but not for him. And I do sometimes take the opportunity to point out why. ;)
    I do like Rumple, though, as an intriguing villain and a worthy rival, and the Regina/Rumple scenes are some of my favourites. But I don't feel sorry for him.

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  50. Courts19 October 2012 at 01:04

    That every single thing he did to help Snow and Charming was to further HIS agenda of getting the curse enacted. Everything he's done he's done in order to screw over everyone. Regina wasn't angry enough, wasn't desperate enough, took a different and more specific path even after he gave her the curse so he had to further that along by manipulating Snow and Charming.

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  51. Courts19 October 2012 at 01:06

    Wut? He didn't provide them with it. He manipulated them with it. He WANTED it to happen. Nothing he's done has been 'good', it's been to further HIS cause which was to get the curse enacted.

    And he only acts as an ally against Regina because as long as they're looking at her, they're not looking at him.

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  52. Bruce_F19 October 2012 at 01:06

    A little off topic but, regardless of the heinous acts that Gold and Regina have committed, do you get the feeling (like I do) that by the end of this show neither of these two will be a main villain? I get the feeling this show hasn't introduced its real big bad yet unless it turns out to be Cora.

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  53. Courts19 October 2012 at 01:07

    LOL

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  54. Courts19 October 2012 at 01:07

    No.

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  55. Courts19 October 2012 at 01:11

    I don't necessarily find that it reduces Regina's culpability but it definitely makes her a victim. It's possible to be both a victim and a villain simultaneously.

    I totally agree with your parallel with Snow though. Regina is the perfect example of what happens when you're abused and people prey on that, and what happens when you're completely isolated from anyone who might help you out. Regina was surrounded by enablers who wanted something from her, especially Cora and Rumple. Whereas at every turn Snow has people helping and saving and protecting her. The difference between supportive family and friends an having nobody is supposed to be what the show is getting at, I think.

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  56. Ralissa Vassilissa19 October 2012 at 01:12

    Oh, but you misunderstand me. I'm not trying to absolve Regina, I'm not saying she never did a bad thing in her life. I'm merely pointing out why she did those things and why she became the Evil Queen. That doesn't erase all her crimes and transgressions.

    What I do find a source for hope for the character, is the fact that she realised her mistakes and is willing to change.
    She is yet to be redeemed. She is yet to be truly forgiven.
    If there was no room for character development, that would make her dull, don't you think?

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  57. lsbloom19 October 2012 at 01:13

    It also served the purposes of helping Snow and Charming. Without his help, Regina would have won. Since I'm rooting for Snow and Charming, I appreciate that concept.

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  58. lsbloom19 October 2012 at 01:15

    But again, their purposes and his were aligned. They couldn't stop Regina. Rumple gave them a way out. For Charming, Rumple has been more of an ally than an enemy.

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  59. Ralissa Vassilissa19 October 2012 at 01:21

    I do get that feeling as well. Shows do tend to change their "big bad" from season to season, and they'll probably keep working up the chain of causation until they reach the ultimate source of "evil" in the end. It can't be Cora, because Rumple taught her magic, so presumably he still knows more about magic than her. (although she could have natural abilities whereas he doesn't)
    Anyway, I'm curious about the role of "the Dark One" and the fairies. Obviously the post of "Dark One" can be taken on by different people, but who then was the original wizard? I hope they don't postpone telling that story for too many seasons. :)

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  60. lsbloom19 October 2012 at 01:23

    Yeah, I agree. Much to my chagrin, I think they are trying to set them up to be "sympathetic." To really accomplish that they need some one worse in the picture that everybody can fight against. Also, Rumple creating the curse the way he did doesn't make much sense--why take everybody and trap them? All he needed was a portal and usually magic is about balance. He certainly knew nothing about the fact that they still can't leave town. I don't know. Most of the show makes very little sense and probably by the time they get around to making Regina not evil and redeeming Rumple, I'll have stopped watching out of frustration. I don't think the big big bad will be Cora because apparently Rumple got her started. I really don't understand the Bae timeline at all...how long has Rumple been the dark one?

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  61. Bruce_F19 October 2012 at 01:26

    " I really don't understand the Bae timeline at all...how long has Rumple been the dark one?"

    I can't pay attention that closely. It would give me a headache and then I'd be watching out of frustration too. :)

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  62. lsbloom19 October 2012 at 01:32

    You are a so much better person than I am. I have not yet been successful at tuning things out--or using italics, how do you do that?


    Plus you're funnier. :)

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  63. Bruce_F19 October 2012 at 01:42

    Aw, shucks. :)

    Here's the Disqus page regarding HTML tags. It'll tell you all the codes to use for italics, strike thru, citations, underlining etc.
    http://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/466253-what-html-tags-are-allowed-within-comments-

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  64. lsbloom19 October 2012 at 03:36

    Oh! Thanks!!

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  65. NiceGuyVan19 October 2012 at 06:54

    Rumpelstiltskin is the best. and he is trying to impress belle aye nice.

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  66. Cathy19 October 2012 at 22:44

    Yes, it is a nice angle with a lot of potential to be pretty amusing. Yet I am glad they still reminded us that while he migth at times seem likeable, he is/was a really bad and messed up person who destroyed people's lives, like turning a butcher into a pig before his own children.

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  67. Danielle Thomas20 October 2012 at 06:26

    All I can say to this is hmmmm.... not sure where they are taking these two, a friendship? Gosh I hope not!

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  68. phnxgrl20 October 2012 at 20:20

    I am not saying Rumpel did not do certain things in the past which were considered Evil. What I am saying he is neutral in the Regina/ Emma fight over Henry. That is all.

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