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“The fate of Arthur Pendragon is in your hands now” The Disir to Osgar
“He has all the makings of a good knight, don’t you think?” Arthur to Merlin
“Seeing is not the same as knowing. And we must know, for certain, before we act” Gaius to Merlin
“They were trying to apprehend him when he used his powers to escape” Leon to Arthur
“You led the men who saved Mithian’s father, and I nearly lost you” Gwen to Arthur
“I am sent from the sacred Disir to pass judgement on Arthur Pendragon, the once and future King” Osgar to Arthur
“Until then, we go unmarked in death, as in life” Mordred to Merlin
“When will Arthur die?” Merlin to Kilgharrah
“There must be something you can do?” Arthur to Gaius
“There can be no place for magic in Camelot” Merlin to Arthur
Trailer Teaser
“I thought we’d play a little game”
“There can be no place for magic in Camelot” I hope it's not Arthur.
ReplyDelete“When will Arthur die?” This one just haunts me!
The once and future King - so nice to see somebody using this phrase again;)
Anyway, can't wait;)
Cracking episode this one, I really enjoyed it. There's some lovely lil Arwen scenes, nothing full on again, but some genuine emotional scenes between them which cement their strong relationship for me. The knights also have more to do/say in this one, esp Mordred, but the Merlin/Arthur bromance is still very much at the heart of the episode.
ReplyDeleteWarning - There's one scene that I feel is going to have fans of the magic reveal throwing things at the TV! :(
The once and future king line made me smile too, I had to include it here :)
ReplyDeleteI was already SO close today! Looks like this season we're really on the edge of the reveal!
ReplyDeleteAny line with the word "Merlin" in it to include here too, please? I'm getting the feeling this episode is once again about Arthur... Too much Arthur!
ReplyDeletethanks for letting us know re the Arwen scenes :) you saved me the question hehe :)
ReplyDeleteAny Merlin/Gaius scene interesting enough to mention?
ReplyDelete"king slayer"?
ReplyDelete"reap Vengeance"?
Is Merlin getting more to do in this episode? The trailer just showed him watching...
ReplyDeleteAnd what abot the lines that tell us more about Merlin himself? I watch this show because it's supposed to tell us Merlin's story, but each week, almost every teaser is about Arthur... It's getting tiring...
ReplyDeleteOh no, not again. My TV is half broken already!
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing Mordred's magic is revealed this episode, but I'm probably wrong.
ReplyDeleteGaius to Merlin: “The fate of Arthur Pendragon is in your hands now”
ReplyDelete“He has all the makings of a **** ******, don’t you think?”
The Great Dragon to Merlin: “Seeing is not the same as knowing. And we must know, for certain, before we act”
A knight about Old Merlin: “They were trying to apprehend him when he used his powers to escape”
Gaius to Merlin or Gwen to Arthur: “You led the men who saved Mithian’s father, and I nearly lost you”
“I am sent from the sacred Disir to **** ********* on Arthur Pendragon, the once and future King”
The Great Dragon to Merlin: “Until then, we go unmarked in death, as in life”
Merlin to the Great Dragon: “When will Arthur die?”
Mordred to Merlin: “There must be something you can do?”
Merlin to Mordred: “There can be no place for magic in Camelot”
“The fate of Arthur Pendragon is in your hands now” Kilgharrah to Merlin.
ReplyDelete“He has all the makings of a great wizard, don’t you think?” ... about Merlin.
“Seeing is not the same as knowing. And we must know, for certain, before we act” Gaius to Merlin.
“They were trying to apprehend him when he used his powers to escape” The Disir about Merlin.
“You led the men who saved Mithian’s father, and I nearly lost you” Gwen to Arhur.
“I am sent from the sacred Disir to **** ********* on Arthur Pendragon, the once and future King”
“Until then, we go unmarked in death, as in life” Kilgharrah to Merlin.
“When will Arthur die?” Merlin to the Disir.
“There must be something you can do?” Merlin to the Disir.
“There can be no place for magic in Camelot” The Disir to Merlin or Merlin to Arthur.
well, the show's been (and should have been titled) Not!Really!About!Merlin...
ReplyDeleteif anything, preparing for Cedric+Agravaine rehashed = Mordred
For a supposed shammed titular character, Merlin = inept sorcerer wannabe
For a show about magic = just do the air-push... spectacular!
Just hanging on for any Colin-nuggets, if any, anyway :(
not!really!about!Merlin --- the show's actual title...
ReplyDeletedense of me to have expected otherwise...
Difficult, this time!!! :)
ReplyDelete“The fate of Arthur Pendragon is in your hands now” the Disir to Merlin
“He has all the makings of a GOOD LEADER, don’t you think?” no idea really!!
“Seeing is not the same as knowing. And we must know, for certain, before we act” Arthur
“They were trying to apprehend him when he used his powers to escape” OMG ???
“You led the men who saved Mithian’s father, and I nearly lost you” Gwen to Arthur
“I am sent from the sacred Disir to HOLD JUDGEMENT on Arthur Pendragon, the once and future King”
“Until then, we go unmarked in death, as in life” the Disir to Arthur
“When will Arthur die?” Merlin
“There must be something you can do?” Gaius to Merlin OR Merlin to Arthur
“There can be no place for magic in Camelot” another OMG. Please NOT Arthur.
Trailer Teaser
“I thought we’d PLAY a little GAME” Morgana to Gwen
Will we see old Merlin/Emrys in this episode? Thanks for the answer.
ReplyDeleteI also still watch for Colin Morgan first and foremost in all honesty. He's the one who does it to me. Everything else is after thought.
ReplyDelete“The fate of Arthur Pendragon is in your hands now” -> The Disir to Merlin
ReplyDelete“He has all the makings of a **** ******, don’t you think?” -> The Disir about Merlin
“Seeing is not the same as knowing. And we must know, for certain, before we act” -> The Great Dragon to Merlin
“They were trying to apprehend him when he used his powers to escape” -> Merlin
“You led the men who saved Mithian’s father, and I nearly lost you” -> Gwen
“I am sent from the sacred Disir to **** ********* on Arthur Pendragon, the once and future King” -> The Disir's messager
“Until then, we go unmarked in death, as in life” -> The Disir to Merlin
“When will Arthur die?” -> Merlin to the Disir
“There must be something you can do?” -> Gaius to Merlin
“There can be no place for magic in Camelot” -> Merlin
Trailer Teaser
“I thought we’d play a little game” (Morgana to Gwen)
Me too.
ReplyDeleteAHHH <3 The Once and Future King line is making me so happy! I'm really excited for this episode.
ReplyDeleteIt's Merlin who has arthur's fate in his hands, right?
ReplyDeleteWell Im very glad you enjoyed it, but from what Ive heard about this episode it sounds like a massive, no coming back from it, character assassination of Arthur and Merlin. And as for 'fans of the magic reveal' - Id say we throw things at the TV on a regular basis since they revel in endless, childish 'oh, nearly' moments which they seem to think are just SO funny. They're far too cowardly to ever do anything about it because changing nothing is much easier, especially when reviewers don't seem to care much either way if it makes sense or not or even if its good or bad. When I think of the potential of this show and cast and the utter crap they're churning out ...
ReplyDeleteDid this episode have lines with "Merlin' associated to the words "greatest sorcerer" or "powerful sorcerer" just to remind everyone that this show is about a young warlock destined to become the most powerful sorcerer... Thanks.
ReplyDeleteok, chasing wild geese. please say things are so ;)
ReplyDelete“The fate of Arthur Pendragon is in your hands now” - Disir to Merlin
“He has all the makings of a GOOD KNIGHT, don’t you think?” - Elyan to Merlin about Mordred
“Seeing is not the same as knowing. And we must know, for certain, before we act” - Gaius to Merlin
“They
were trying to apprehend him when he used his powers to escape” - Leon
to Arthur about one of the Disir (who came to Camelot)
“You led the men who saved Mithian’s father, and I nearly lost you”- Gwen to Arthur
“I
am sent from the sacred Disir to CAST JUDGEMENT on Arthur Pendragon,
the once and future King” - One of the Disir to a room full of people in
Camelot (knights, Merlin, maybe even Arthur, but likely not..)
“Until then, we go unmarked in death, as in life” - Disir to Merlin
“When will Arthur die?”- Merlin to Disir
“There must be something you can do?”- Mordred to Merlin
“There can be no place for magic in Camelot” - Arthur to Merlin (hence the stuff-throwing at the TV screen)
Nope :(
ReplyDeleteMerlin isn't involved in the scene that line is in.
ReplyDeleteNot that I recall off hand
ReplyDeleteCan I ask what you mean by 'character assassination' of Arthur and Merlin?
ReplyDeleteI can understand what you are angry about. But if you really feel that strongly about it why do you bother watching?
ReplyDeletesome great guesses! I'll update the post tomorrow :)
ReplyDeleteBut the show isn't called "Merlin's Story" or "All About Merlin." And regardless, after four years, it should be obvious that the show is about Merlin's adventures with Arthur in Camelot. I'm sorry if that frustrates you, but it is what it is.
ReplyDeleteMerlin's character had long been assassinated and sidelined - for a supposedly legendary all-powerful TITULAR character, he's anything but. His being more powerful than Morgana was purely a lip-service from Gauis (as what the TPTB can only AFFORD for any actual establishment of Merlin's character which only has AIR-PUSH cgi for a magic) and conveniently inept with no actual moral compass other than what's for the love of his life, Arthur. Merlin even lose any sense of self-preservation, the wisdom of discernment (just face-value take on destiny and warnings of Arthur's demise), and active championing for the greater good. For a supposedly wise man, he didn't even bothered to find ways to 'humanely' turn Morgana/Mordred around so they only would lose their reasons and means to carry out their evil ways - other than just coldly will them to their deaths.
ReplyDeleteArthur? He who actually took Merlin nothing more of a charming simpleton not deserving of any recognition that he can actually be proud to declare of (again, only a lip-service told to his all-wonderful-mary-sueish-queen). While the show is ACTUALLY more all about Arthur, he's conveniently 'oblivious' of anything Merlin may have actually contributed in saving his life, never bothering to ensure that his constant companion won't be a liability other than just being around to be his lapdog, ego-booster, and helpless pawn in battles.
The spoilers again point to sadistic sidelining of proactive development Merlin as a powerful wizard. He's all about being a reactive spurned anything-for-Arthur lovesick trickster-wanna-be (again) while Arthur being all-gallantly with his flavor-of-the-season Mordred.
Hopefully whatever Colin-nuggets there is to see won't be that awful anyway.
wow so it's dense to expect that a show entitled "Merlin" to be a "Merlin's Story" and "All About Merlin". Even so, could they at least have the Merlin's character SHOW the essence of his being a powerful warlock other than Gauis' lip-service, the AIR-PUSH only magic-technology, and old!Merlin/old!Hag spectacular devices, and all-for-Arthur devotion?
ReplyDeleteI am glad you said that, I think some people just haven't understood that yet even after 5 seasons. It's Merlin's POV about the legend of King Arthur.
ReplyDeleteAm I allowed to say on here- spoilers wise? If not just delete as appropriate. I mean Merlin actually advising Arthur not to lift the ban in the hopes Mordred croaks (though not willing to knock him off himself) - this after the dragon who supposedly announced their joint destiny back in S1 decided its not the time for a reason so stupid only a child would believe it- and indeed thats who the show seems to be aimed at. So Merlin who is supposed to be bringing back magic, actually advises Arthur to continue with a law which outlaws and kills his own people? In the hope that some sunny day when Morgana and Mordred are gone (and they're having SUCH success with that) he'll finally have the guts to come out and tell Arthur. meanwhile Arthur reneges on his word once Mordred is saved (this the guy who supposedly was farsighted enough to make up with the guy who killed his father just last week) and has his knights kill the Disir. Very, very honourable. Not. This is presumably so Mordred has a motive to turn on Arthur. And they had to make both Merlin and Arthur criminally stupid and dishonorable to do it. Thats what I mean by character assassination.
ReplyDeleteWith respect that kind of question seems to suggest that shows shouldn't be criticised since only people who don't 'feel strongly' should watch. I watch because I fell in love with the show and characters in S1 and S2 and Ive followed it ever since. I'm 'angry' to see whats being done to them as the story apparently comes to a close, all to put the magic reveal off until the last possible moment they can manage apparently because they cant think of a way to run the show once its done. Maybe they wont even bother at all. They cant seem to manage the pursuit of dramatic irony (Arthur and Merlin being the cause of Arthurs eventual fate), without removing all the wisdom, intelligence of Merlin, Arthur not to mention their intergrity and conscience -and lets not go into what they've done to the character of Kilgarrah. Basically they were just too lazy to work out a way to make Mordred 'justified' which didn't do violence to the integrity of the main characters. Whether I finally give up after this week I dont know- given all the issues that could be dealt with carefully and intelligently, it sure as hell is proving an incredibly disappointing waste of a last season.
ReplyDeleteWhat an odd thing to say...not everyone who watches comes away gushing. I'm glad for the thoughtful, insightful comments that offer other perspectives and respect passion. "If you don't like it don't watch" doesn't work.
ReplyDeleteHave to agree with Fox here...not only character assassination, character rape. Why are they making these characters so stupid this year of all years, when it's probably the last? In what way is Arthur The Once and Future King if these seers have to blackmail him into fulfilling their vision? What lame fortune tellers, if they have to manipulate him into meeting the future they see. If Mordred is fated to kill Arthur, then why doesn't Merlin just kill him himself rather than advise Arthur to not bring magic back to the land--when that was what his destiny was supposed to be all along? Why is Kilgarrah wrong in everything that he prophecies--like Aithusa boding well for the future Arthur and Merlin will build together, or all that crap in the early seasons about Arthur & Merlin uniting Albion together and bringing the Old Religion back? Why do the writers think no one will notice that none of this now makes sense? And why is this so great and powerful Emrys standing by and watching his own kind be slaughtered when he could be influencing Arthur to stop it? Why has nothing changed in 3 years? Why is Mordred going to be the catalyst for the magic reveal rather than, oh I don't know, THE TITLE CHARACTER??? The two heroes of the show have to be turned into ambiguous schmucks so that the showrunners can claim that Mordred is a villain with layers. Yawn...
ReplyDeleteOf course, we haven't seen the episode yet; this profound disappointment is all based on spoilers, and maybe there's reason to still hope. Maybe speculation and this sense of foreboding will be proven wrong. Somehow though, judging by what we've seen from the smug writers and producers thus far, I don't believe so. What a disservice to the fans who care about character consistency and the story lines actually making sense and unfolding with some kind of logic and reason. It may look pretty visually, with all the nice locations and higher end CGI. I just wish, though, especially in what might well be the show's swan song season, that they budgeted a bit more for decent writers and a little less for Gwen's fancy cleavage-baring frocks.
people have to bring Gwen's cleavage into everything. Gwen's cleavage has nothing with the writing on Merlin. It's got nothing to do with Arthur and Merlin flopping. her character in her "fancy cleavage baring flocks" is literally on for like 2 minutes but apparently when you are reviewing about the bad writing on Merlin you have to bring the way the Queen of Camelot dresses. Why the fuck am I in this fandom?
ReplyDelete“You led the men who saved Mithian’s father, and I nearly lost you” Gwen to Arthur
ReplyDelete"I thought we'd play and a little game" Morgana to Gwen.
Merlin has been so mediocre so far. I had really wished that Merlin and Arthur's relationship would have changed. I really want them to start working together in a way that doesn't make them seem like idiots. I really want Arthur to trust Merlin by now and listen to all his warnings. The scene that had me faceplaming was the net scene. Merlin and Arthur know that Morgana is going around catching slaves, so that means she's setting traps for people, Merlin and Arthur get caught in a net (a net which wasn't even a good net and that wasn't even that high up) with a SWORD during DAY TIME, next time we see them they are still in a net at NIGHT TIME, Arthur finally works out that he has a sword and the sword falls out, Arthur gets annoyed...Next time we see them they are sleeping in the net. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
Merlin with all his powerful magic, Arthur with all his military training get struck in a doddery old net? at least the Merthur shippers were happy.
anyway is Queen Gwen in this much? I don't just mean scenes with Arthur I mean scenes with her being a great Queen? :)
That's a question constantly asked of Doctor Who fans when they don't like a certain era. Unfortunately there seems to be a fairly vocal minority in any fandom who hyperbole their own feeling on an aspect of it thinking that most of the audience feel the same way as they do. But when audience share and appreciation figures don't reflect that sentiment, it's usually best to not listen too hard, lol.
ReplyDeleteBut Merlin isn't yet a powerful warlock. This is a story about him as a boy and then a young man, his all powerful wizard years of legend are something that happened to him as an old man.
ReplyDeleteCouldn't agree more!
ReplyDelete@disqus_OrulOODntU:disqus I agree with you on that one. The show isn't just about Merlin, it's about the Arthurian legend in general (which is based around both Arthur and Merlin) but shown from a different perspective than we've been taught, which is why it is so interesting. The show 'Castle' isn't just about Castle's is it? T.V titles aren't necessarily always an indicator of exactly what the show is about, I thought that was obvious. As for the longing of the magic reveal, I too am I excited for it and i can't wait but what happens then? What are the writers supposed to do as the whole dynamics of the show will be different, and they won't have the audience's anticipation to play on which will make many lose interest. Also the bromance between Arthur and Merlin will be different, and do we really want that? I'm sure the writers would be quite capable of finding new story lines but the show we all love and follow would be completely different, and they know that. As a result I don't think the magic will be revealed until the very end, which in my eyes is a good thing. Additionally I do agree that maybe a bit more magic would be good in series 5, I do believe that having Merlin as a clumsy young wizard who is still learning is a good thing, as it adds humor to the show which then leads to the bromance between the two mains, Also again it's all about showing the legend from completely different perspective to interest the whole family (including younger generations) which has always been Merlin's target audience, so if it's adult violence and sexual content you want, you should have realised that Merlin is not, and will never be that kind of show cause it doesn't need it and it would ruin it. So if that's what you want, maybe something like Vampire Diaries or Misfits would be more suited to you. But I do believe in the saying, 'If you don't like it, don't watch it' as why waste your time with something that frustrates you? But don't try to slate the show because other people do enjoy it. If you don't have anything nice to say, then it's best for everyone if you say nothing at all. This is a fan site, if you're not a fan than why are you on it? If you want to criticise it, there are plenty of other sites made solely for that purpose.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry if the choice of my words was a bit too direct - it was certainly not meant as an insult. But you brought up a lot of issues against the show which made me wonder why you stll persevere with it.
ReplyDeleteI know that we fans are often very unhappy with what the writers do to our favourite characters (the magic reveal being the one that weighs really heavy on my mind) - and it is important that this issues can be voiced somewhere!
Are you actually saying that you know that it is MERLIN who says that there is no place for magic in Camelot?
ReplyDeletePoint taken - I usually would not respond to any form of critic with such a strong remark. Maybe it was the choice of words that sparked it off.
ReplyDeleteAnd of course there will be many fans not gushing about Merlin every Saturday - me included! And I really love the show!
There can be no place for magic in Camelot” ? to Arthur
ReplyDeleteI will ´better keep all pointy, hard and sharp-edged things out of reach of the TV on Saturday if it really is Merlin who says this to Arthur.
For a show that takes liberties in overhauling the core storylines of the legend, the writers just being adamant in SHOWING the development of the TITULAR character especially the essence of his being, as one BORN with magic. But then, how come now-powerful Morgana is not YET his equal, when what being shown is actually an inept one? Irony, hypocrisy, myopia, or smugness?
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, I'm really not sure what you're asking?
ReplyDeleteI agree with all you have said, thou I have no problem with people complaining about their issues with it here. If all they can say is hyperbole or try to lecture you on how your opinion is wrong because it doesn't agree with theirs, then I find it better to just ignore it.
ReplyDeleteSome other fans here, however, do share thatopinion, so they can discuss it as much or little as they like imo. There are plenty of more positive opinions here too, which is for people who share that side of it :)
We do have a forum, which I guess might be a better place to keep opposing topics separate but it's very light on Merlin fans I'm afraid :(
He has the makings of ... : Arthur to Gwen (on Mordred)
ReplyDeleteThere can be no place for magic...: Gwen to Arthur
Merlin bein not that powerful on the current context largely contradicted Gauis TELLING Merlin about Morgana's being not still as powerful as him. But Morgana were already being SHOWN repeatedly overpowering him. Thats being inconsistent, lame excuse for stunting any progression on Merlin'sdevelopment
ReplyDeleteIf you're asking me - Im not saying that. I don't know but I expect Arthur will say it. But as I understand it, Merlin actually advises him to keep the ban on magic. Great huh?
ReplyDeleteYes I think I have managed to hold on to enough perspective to realise its only a TV show. Somehow.
ReplyDeleteAnd since this is directed at me I'll answer it too. Or rather ask you a question. Why does the way I expressed my view upset you? Since you felt you had to 'respond' not to what I said, but criticise the way I said it and suggest I stop watching? I get the feeling that you feel we shouldn't really criticise the show just repeatedly express our love for it or if we're really peeved, 'not gush'. If you think my post was emotive - take a look around the net at the reaction from many fans next weeks spoilers, and you'll see that was restrained.
ReplyDeleteI think I can reasonably say that I did not suggest for a second that what I said reflected the wider audience - I know for certain that it doesn't because the wider audience don't give a toss about characterisation or the shows dramatic potential or what kind of magic reveal we get or not, whether anything fits with what went before, just as long as it fills 45 minutes on a Saturday night with pretty people and lots of great CGI. Which is why the show runner dont care either. I posted as a long time fan of the show who does actually care that in my opinion has all but disappeared up its own arse, character and plot wise. Now you may have noticed that people do occasionally post their own opinions online and 'vocal minorities' do it quite alot - thats what message boards are for. But perhaps we can all look at the audience share instead to know if anythings any good or not. Thats how to judge a show for sure.
ReplyDeleteWith respect, in legend Merlin was an old-ish man when Arthur was born and very old when Arthur fell. In fact he supposedly ended up in the Crystal cave or a tree depending, at much the same time. His glory years were during or jbefore, Arthur's life. So how does that fit?
ReplyDeleteThis Merlins most powerful years have nothing to do with Arthur? Instead of making him old and powerful, the show had the very clever idea of making him young and supposedly powerful and thus a partner rather than a mentor - that was the conceit. Once upon a time.
I was not talking about you specifically when I replied to Nimueh. I am not entirely sure why you thought why I was since you, correctly, point out that isn't something you have mentioned here in these comments and I don't recall having talked to you before on a different post. (Apologies if I have and forgotten, my meds make it hard to remember details sometimes).
ReplyDeleteBut in this post, and others over the years, some people have done that. When fans say things like "character rape" (which I personally feel is an appalling and offensive way to trivialise a serious crime) and "Why do the writers think no one will notice that none of this now makes sense?" that's the time when I stop responding as it's simply hyperbole and demonstrates to me that someone can't tell the difference between opinion and fact.
If you read one of my posts from yesterday further up, you will see that opposing opinions are positively welcomed here, this is not a squee site at all, but a place where anyone can post/discuss whatever they like. I was suggesting that it's best not to listen to any kind of comments that you disagree with if it upsets you and reply to ones that you do if that's what makes you happy. That is simply the best way to deal with online fandom culture imo.
I totally agree with your last paragraph; that is the best way to deal with it. :-)
ReplyDeleteCan I say that Im not sure I agree with your second para though? Hyperbole isn't a bad thing - its what helps make language interesting and arguments compelling, often enough. Its just figure of speech and not intended to be taken literally - my bag weighs a ton, I could eat a horse, half of fandom is having to be talked down off the roof. Its all hyperbole but not imo something to criticise unless its blatantly misrepresenting a case. I also don't think the examples you quoted show people cant tell opinion from fact - it just means that someone is stating an opinion without repeatedly saying 'in my opinion'. I don't think many people are so deluded as to believe that their opinions are facts? Or maybe Im naive :p
You asked me a couple of days ago why I felt that the spoilers indicated 'character assassination' - again hyperbole as I don't actually think or believe anyone is actually going to assassinate the characters. :P
I appreciate that you say the site is open to different opinions but I get the feelings its all been a bit of a shock (not to you of course), so perhaps this isn't a place to voice frustration. I appreciate your openness to opinions different from your own though. :-)
I don't think that 'character assassination' is necessarily hyperbole, perhaps a different word is required but I can't think of one off the top of my head before consuming far more coffee, lol. I have no problem with discussing differences of opinion when terms like that are used, although I know some others do.
ReplyDeleteI do think that 'character rape' is though. As I said, I think that it's offensive to use that term because a serious crime like that has nothing to do with something as trivial as a discussion about a TV show. I personally don't respond to comments that take this stance as this this is what I mean by hyperbole; there are much better ways of describing something without having to resort to stupid remarks like that imo.
British shows on this site are a bit of a newer feature and therefore don't tend to get as many fans commenting on posts, but (thankfully) the Merlin posts seem to be fairing better. I think that may be what has caused the shock response you mention to some of the comments here as last season there were only a handful of us posting. Believe me, things can get *very* heated in other shows posts, esp SPN, Once Upon a Time or Castle who have had more time to build up a regular fan base here, lol.
Please don't feel that you can't voice your opinions, as from this post alone you can see there are fans who share your frustrations. As long as nothing becomes a personal attack, or is racist/homophobic/trolling/etc then any and every view is totally welcomed. I am loving being able to talk about one of my favourite shows at length with other fans :)
I wouldn't say it's dense, but it 's definitely simplistic.
ReplyDeletearrogance and smugness is what that "dismissive-ness" is rooted of...
ReplyDeleteMerlin is forced to speak nine words we never thought we'd hear him utter. (From other site's teasers...)
ReplyDeleteSo "There can be no place for magic in Camelot"... 9 words.
I was expecting it, but it's really sad to know it anyway.
oh my god. it is! It must be. There are new Digital Spy teasers, and one of them says that we will hear Merlin utter 9 words we never thought he would utter. Those are 9 words. sob.
ReplyDeleteit has been released that merlin will be forced say 9 words that you never thought he'd ever say.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.digitalspy.com/british-tv/s53/merlin/news/a434692/merlin-ten-teasers-about-the-disir.html
There(1) can(2) be(3) no(4) place(5) for(6) magic(7) in(8) Camelot(9).
:(.
Can you tell us about Colin Morgan's acting in this episode?
ReplyDeleteI think we'll see Old Merlin in the next episode!
ReplyDeleteI'm afraid not :(
ReplyDeleteIt's top notch :)
ReplyDeleteWe saw him in the trailer for series 5. There must be an episode in which we'll see him, right?
ReplyDelete“There can be no place for magic in Camelot” Merlin to Arthur
ReplyDeleteNo! Why would you say it? It's a big step back for them!
Yeah, I think he could be making an appearance soon, but he's not in this or the next episode ;)
ReplyDeleteCompletely :( I think most fans will be either the throwing things and/or gob smacked at his deliverance of the line, it's very emotional...
ReplyDeletemy thoughts,w hat if Merlin says this to Arthur because they found out Mordred was possesed and or used magic to attempt to kill Arthur-as seen in the trailer. I can just picture the scene now! I think it's brilliant, Merlin is willing to WHATEVER it takes to save Arthur, even if for now making Arthur stay firm on the ban of magic. Maybe Mordred was wanting Arthur to lift the ban of Magic and Merlin saw this as dangerous. Do you know how hard it would for him to even SAY those words? And what did he say after? Or before? It's all in the context people!
ReplyDeleteAnd will people QUIT USING THE TERM CHCHARACTER RAPE WHENEVER A CHARACTER DOES SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE UNHAPPY ABOUT? DO NOT USE THE TERM RAPE FOR SOMETHING AS CASUAL AND MUNDANE AS TALKING ABOUT FICTIONAL CHARACTERS FOR FICTIONAL SHOW
ReplyDeleteWell, I just wrote a post that was quite long, but I was kicked out. So, I will simply say that Fox, you rock. Many, MANY fans feel as you do. Character dissemination, ret-conning storylines that initially defined the show, same trope since s3. Your frustration and disappointment is felt by many fans who love this show and wish it would live up to it's potential.
ReplyDeleteDo you know that for a fact? Auch for Merlin. In that case he's fully situated himself into a place where he can't ever reveal himself and the reason he did it, to save Arthur's life from Mordred (though I grant you in an idiotic way) didn't even work. And yeah, it's stupid. It seems every sight of the future Merlin is given is a selfforfilling prophecy. I think Merlin and Mordred could have been great friends and worked together if nobody had told Merlin the boy was gonna kill Arthur. Merlin has to focus a little less on what he's seen and a little more on the reality 'now'. In fact, I think the Merlin we knew in season 1 would do a better job at this point. That one would have just given Mordred the benifit of the doubt and helped Arthur accept magic. Aaaargh, idiots. I very much hope that the show doesn't simply end with the death of Arthur and the collapse of all that Merlin has worked for before it even started. Cause I haven't really seen that mystical kingdom of Albion where everyone is happy and magic is free yet. Have you?
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