Now, I'm reviewing three fall comedies : The Mindy Project (Tuesdays 9:30pm on FOX), The New Normal (Tuesdays 9:30pm on NBC) and Ben & Kate (Tuesdays 8:30pm on FOX).
To give you an idea of my taste in comedy, my favorite US comedy series are, of the top of my head : Curb your Enthusiasm, Arrested Development, Community, Seinfeld, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Parks and Recreation, Bored to Death, Eastbound & Down, Party Down, Episodes, Raising Hope, Better Off Ted, The League, Futurama, Archer, American Dad, The Office (seasons 2-5), 30 Rock, Friends, Modern Family. All of them are between 9.15/10 and 10/10.
That being said, let's start with…
— The Mindy Project (FOX) : 2.91/10.
I bet this show will be a big hit, but I dislike almost everything in that pilot (those two facts might be connected).

The stakes could not be higher.
The poster alone could have led me to this conclusion : there's Mindy between two guys. Gosh darnit, there seems to be a love triangle at play ! I should have stopped at that but since I'm a bit of a masochist, I watched it.
Two of the reasons I liked this pilot won't be here in the rest of the show : Bill Hader and Ed Helms (who I like when he's not singing or acting like a complete moron). Mindy Kaling must be a real nice person in real life to get them to appear here.
I like Mindy's character in small doses in The Office but a show revolving around her love life and her work at an hospital will just be impossible for me to watch on a weekly basis without wanting to tear my eyes out, to put it mildly.

Dear God, why was did I accept to do her a favor ?
I seriously doubt things can change (it would have to become a totally different show), so it's a pass for me, no matter how good the writing is, and it didn't strike me as particularly good here, although I noted a few moments that made me sort of smile : - So, more white patients. - Don't write that (but yes). ; and then there's a scene where Mindy says "He gets women, just ask his wife… oh, I'm sorry, ex-wife !" : I literally thought she was gonna say "Oh, I'm sorry, your wife is dead !" :D. Comparing this to Arrested Development is an insult, I know, but at that moment I thought of that (I probably imagined happy thoughts in order to start enjoying this pilot, which I ultimately failed to do).

Mindy, why are you doing this to me ? Why am I friends with you ?
So basically, it's just not a show for me. It's not like FOX was counting on me anyway, as I'm not a 18-49 woman (or a woman at all), I don't have a Nielsen box, I don't live in the US… yeah, they really didn't count on me. Still, I'm definitely out.
— The New Normal (NBC) : 4.58/10.
Not as bad as I expected it to be, but it's going to be a pass as well, although I keep my ears open in case it gets really good reviews throughout the season.
We all know Ryan Murphy's trademark : excess, with chunks of brilliance spread into a swamp of bad taste and clumsy writing. I haven't seen Nip/Tuck, 5-6 episodes into season 2 I couldn't take Glee anymore, and I will continue watching American Horror Story this fall but my expectations are extremely low considering the laziness/tackiness of season 1 (and since you're giving new roles to returning cast members, why not ask Taissa Farmiga and Denis O'Hare to come back ?).
Anyway, about The New Normal, one thing that bothered me is the representation of gay people (yes, that is the core of the show, so that's a big problem). One dresses casually and watches football on the couch, the other is a little more, say, sophisticated, and goes shopping. Ryan, that's really an eye-opening insight you're giving us there. The scene with the baby in the store ("oh, I must have that !") or the baby clothes thing… really ?

Ryan Murphy, tearing down clichés one by one.
The creator of the show is gay so you'd think he'd know how to avoid stereotypes, instead he just dives in head first. Why would he write Andrew Rannell's character like that ? That's weird, especially given how he seems to want to give lessons to people with this preachy title, some scenes (the scene at the playground, the one with the two lesbians in the street who waved and smiled at the surrogate) and all those dialogues ("abnormal is the new normal", "this is 2012")… please, you're not revolutionizing anything in any way with this show.

Becoming Sue Sylvester 2.0 requires some shortcuts.
Ellen Barkin as the racist grandma was the best part of the pilot. They go for cheap laughs, but those are laughs nonetheless (well, let's not push it, those were just smiles for me). The line about the crippled guy looking like Flipper was amusing, but overall I couldn't help but feel sad how they're so desperately trying to have her being Sue Sylvester 2.0.
Also, I come to realize I'm kind of annoyed with the constant impact of technology in any given situation anywhere, when you hear that the 5-year old is "live streaming" the fight on Twitter for instance. Isn't this thing over by now ? The impact of Twitter (which can be useful…0.23% of the time), and seeing it invading TV shows (also, I bet when NBC will start airing the season, there will be "#newnormal" written at the bottom of the screen) is depressing. And while I'm at it, the use of the webcam of the Macbook (shown a few times) is to film their reactions? Haven't they heard of cameras? It's more efficient for filming and it's also more handy, but I guess showing Apple on screen must be giving them some dough. Damn you, ever invading technology. And no, I'm not an angry old man ^^.

If you want your own PSA, contact Ryan Murphy at subtlemessages@lgbtmail.com or go to www.emmys.com.
The writing could have been more nuanced but I didn't think the actors were bad. Still, that wasn't enough to make me want to come back for more.
— Ben & Kate (FOX) : 5.69/10.
Well, it was alright. I guess it's the other new comedy I will watch this fall, alongside Go On.
I knew it was going to be a decent pilot from the get-go given how they inserted the title card, perhaps mocking the very 'simple' title of the series :
Kate : Ben !
Ben : Oh, hey Kate !
Kate : What the--
[Title card : BEN AND KATE]
I don't know if brutally interrupting a scene (only to pick up right after) is going to be a regular thing in the coming episodes (it's not uncommon to start showing a full opening sequence at episode 2) but that surprised me, it worked quite well here.

FOX is lying to you, this is actually a TV adaptation of the Splinter Cell video game series.
I didn't laugh out loud a single time (but I rarely do, except perhaps during the 20 comedies mentioned above). However, I genuinely smiled several times, and that's something. I'm into jokes like Ben saying he'll try to be discrete and then he's randomly passing by the room with a drum set, or when he has to hurry somewhere but he has this enormous difficulty to do a U-turn (that kind of very long joke is usually a hit or miss and I like that they try that), or also this detailed tale of the very elaborate scheme he has planned in order to get his ex-girlfriend at her wedding.
So I did like a few moments including Ben, but my favorite character has to be BJ. As the kidz say on the social medias : Lucy Punch <3 <3 <3. She's pretty pretty (do people say that, btw?), and she has this evident comedic delivery. One of my favorite moments of the pilot was the fanny pack / BJ scene ("I am well aware of what that means" … [silence]). Already seen it in the trailer but it was still kind of funny. She didn't have much to do that wasn't shown in the trailer, but I have the feeling that maybe Ben & Kate will become one of those shows where a supporting character steals the show (like Barney in HIMYM or Roger in American Dad).

Lucy Punch is a lady with punch (this joke was brought to you by CBS & Friends).
And finally I thought there was a nice chemistry between Nate Faxon and Dakota Johnson, which is kind of essential given the title of the show. When they argue about the use of the expression "I'm a grower, not a shower", that was pretty great.
However, the last few minutes, with the emotional / bittersweet ending under the table and in the pool, that was not good, I hate that. It reminded me of Scrubs and Cougar Town, which I love for their wit and their smart, fast paced jokes as much as I hate them for their pseudo 'dramatic' moments (where they act like the characters learn form their mistakes and 'evolve') in the last 5 minutes of 99% of their episodes (damn you, Bill Lawrence, for always apologizing to the viewers, that's what it feels like to me : "sorry, but at the 17th minute my characters stop being wacky and must have an epiphany").

In the light of this scene, PETA is already trying to have the show cancelled.
With Community producers Neil Goldman and Garrett Donovan on board as showrunners, I assume it will get funnier, although I don't imagine it has the potential to come close to its 8pm slot buddy Raising Hope, which is, as you know, the second or third best comedy on network TV.
- Go On (NBC) : 6.16/10.
- Ben & Kate (FOX) : 5.69/10.
- The New Normal (NBC) : 4.58/10.
- Revolution (NBC) : 4.14/10.
- Animal Practice (NBC) : 3.03/10.
- The Mindy Project (FOX) : 2.91/10.
As you can see, so far, Go On is the best pilot of the 2012/2013 season (btw, episode 1.02 is just as great, I'm definitely in for the season)… but my review of Last Resort is coming up soon and let's just say it was pretty awesome. To be continued...





I was meh on Ben and Kate, but I'm willing to give the show another chance. The pool scene at the end was adorable.
ReplyDeleteThe New Normal is okay. I'm giving it one or two more chances before I decide whether or not I'll keep watching.
Go On is my favorite new show so far. Ryan is giving me "This is Chandler after Monica dies" vibes, but that's okay because it surprisingly works. And I can't decide whether we're supposed to ship him with the group therapy leader or the girl he works with.
Great reviews Bunky, always appreciate you taking the time to write and share them with us all
ReplyDeleteNice reading. I am usually not as critical as you are with a show but it's still nice to read you. I haven't seen any of these pilots yet. Mindy is a no for me, because well, I just don't see myself connecting with a show. I am usually not big on "show for guys/shows for women" (I am a guy who enjoys shows like Private Practice or Hart of Dixie), but this one seems too much woman-oriented for me, I don't think it will be my cup of tea. The New Normal... I don't know to be honest, none of the reviews I have read make it sound like something I can't miss and I already watch too many comedies, so I will probably pass it for now. If(and is a big if) it suceeds in the ratigns department, I may give it a shot at the end of the season. As for Ben and Kate... I wasn't planning on watching it but the reviews have been pretty good so far, so I think I will at least sample it once it comes out.
ReplyDeletei have a question for bunky bunk
ReplyDeleteAnyway, about The New Normal, one thing that bothered me is the representation of gay people (yes, that is the core of the show, so that's a big problem)
then did you mean you have something agianst gays or did you mean someting else
Comedies are so subjective I have a hard time even trying to review them honestly. With dramas, I can remove myself from the equation and focus on the acting, writing, production values etc.... Sitcoms are a different breed and everything comes down to personal opinion and personal connection to material or actors.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I could not make it through the entire pilot of either The Mindy Project or The New Normal. I just did not laugh or even smile at Mindy and I was actually offended and annoyed by The New Normal. I felt like I had to watch something actually funny immediately after to cleanse my mind. Thank you Arrested Development, mission accomplished.
Ben and Kate was probably the best of this bunch to me too. It was too over the top ridiculous for me personally, but at least it was funny at times. I think it could have been funnier if toned down a bit honestly. To me the line between trying to hard to be funny and not funny at all is thin and Ben and Kate meandered forth and back across that line.
Surprisingly the best of the new sitcoms for me was Guys With Kids.
It was on my short list for early cancellation. While it may yet be cancelled early, I found myself enjoying the show more than I expected. The kid jokes, the parent jokes and the camera close ups on the kids got old for me and would just be annoying with repeat viewing, but when the show concentrated on the adults and their bonds of friendship or romance I found myself laughing and enjoying the series.
No, I don't have "something agianst gays". What I meant by that was explained in the following sentences : "one dresses casually and watches football on the couch, the other is a little more, say, sophisticated, and goes shopping. Ryan, that's really an eye-opening insight you're giving us there. The scene with the baby in the store ("oh, I must have that !") or the baby clothes thing… really ? The creator of the show is gay so you'd think he'd know how to avoid stereotypes, instead he just dives in head first. Why would he write Andrew Rannell's character like that ?" I thought what I meant was pretty clear. I don't think I would have even watched this pilot if I was homophobic, but thanks for the implication :p.
ReplyDeleteoh ok i just didnt know what you meant i understand you wouldnt watch the piot if you were homophobic i didnt mean to be rude
ReplyDeleteVery enjoyable reviews. I don't think I'll be checking any out personally and I think your reviews have re-inforced my thinking!
ReplyDeleteNo problem ;).
ReplyDeleteBunky, I don't think they were implying that. Not everyone one here first language is English so it may be something lost a little in translation
ReplyDeleteToo bad you didn't watch the whole pilot of The Mindy Project (can't blame you for stopping in the middle though, it took me 2 days to watch it). As an AD fan you might have smiled when Mindy said "[...] just ask his wife. Oh, I'm sorry, 'ex-wife'". It totally made me think of that famous line of Tobias'. Thinking about a great comedy during a bad pilot is one way to be entertained.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't even going to try Guys with Kids. I know that you usually don't like NBC comedies (which I happen to love, most of the time) but you like this one… however it's a multi-camera sitcom, sadly, and that is usually not my cup of tea ^^ (I'm not much of a CBS fan, which you are if I'm not wrong (sans 2.5 Men)). Maybe I'll give it a try, but I'm not really hopeful - even if there wasn't a laugh track, a comedy about parents and their babies is definitely not in my wheelhouse.
Thanks ! I was planning on doing more last season but I found it to be difficult to watch every single show and review them in time (I have an extremely long, unfinished review on TextEdit ^^), so this time I'm just reviewing pilots and then maybe I'll write a couple of posts about great, underrated series (e.g : Boss or The Big C) I'd like more SpTV readers to watch.
ReplyDeleteYep we have different tastes in sitcoms...
ReplyDeleteMaybe because of that Guys With Kids will be less toward your liking? Honestly I don't recall for sure if there was a laugh track or not since that does not bother me usually. Same with multi-camera shows compared to single-camera. I can like either
When it comes to sitcoms with me if it makes me laugh I like it. Period.
I think part of my not liking NBC sitcoms is that so many are work place comedies. I tend not to like them as easily or as often, however I did love Better Off Ted and Scrubs and they were work place sitcoms.... and single-camera I believe.
Sounds awesome :) Looking forward to them
ReplyDeleteRyan Murphy, tearing down clichés one by one
ReplyDeleteHahahaahah, yeah Ryan Murphy really does no one any favours with his stereotypes.
I too enjoyed Ben and Kate and I think like Go On it has the potential to really improved into a nice fun show.
I really loved Ben & Kate, it was kinda a silly but a silly show i could love. Lucy Punch is just so wonderfull, and Faxon is fun. I also liked Dakota Johnson a bit, she`s so sweet in a way that makes me really like her. She`s not that to silly or over-dorky character like Jess on New Girl witch i started to hate after the first 10 episodes of New Girl.
ReplyDeleteThe New Normal was garbage. And i even liked some of the actors from before. It`s just a bad show. I like the kinda idea the show is sending, but after that its just so much garbage for me. Its just crap for me!
Mindy Project i will see more episodes of, even with it not being my thing either. But i will check out more episodes if the show goes well and i got the time (around christmas or something). I like the actors much for than New Normal, but i did not love it. I just in a small way liked it.
Go on and the New Normal for me!
ReplyDeleteI really didn´t like the Mindy Project... her Office character in a different setting =(
Good reviews. So far Go On is the only comedy that I'm warming up to so far. I didn't care for the Mindy pilot, but since I do like MK, I'll give it a couple more before final decision, but those 2 better knock me out. I didn't like New Normal at all as this felt too "over Murphytized" for my taste, and I didn't care for B&K either.
ReplyDeleteThanks for starting your review with an idea of what you like in comedy. Sitcoms are so incredibly subjective that it really helps to understand where my tastes differ from the reviewers.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, The Mindy Project... the actress is just not my cuppa. Didn't like her performance. I finally just stopped watching.
The New Normal -- Got all the way through this. I'm not sure I completely agree with you about the stereotyps here. Every character is a hard edges stereotype of some type. I couldn't help but think that if the rest of the cast was in Ellen Barken's league. ( I totally agree she is the most watchable part of the show. It was like she was the only one who got the point of using a bigger than life sterotype in this kind of show and she made it work. Everyone else seemed to be playing it straight except for NeNe Leakes who is just...not an actor.)
Ben & Kate -- Could not watch this. At all.
I actually liked Guys with Kids too. There was something relatable about most of the adults and I liked that the women weren't invisible pariahs. I think the show has the potential to settle into a good ensemble comedy that's relatable to lots of people with kids. Question is will they have time to see if they can do it.
ReplyDeleteI finally got around to watch Ben and Kate. Yet another very good surprise of this season, after Go On. I thought the leads were very good in their roles and had a very good chemistry, which has you said, is essential for a show. I also liked Lucy Punch a lot, and I thought the little girl was also enjoyable and not boring at all. The thing that drawed me to the show the most was the amount of heart it has. It will be one of those that walks the line between the comedy and the light drama side, but I am fine with it. I loved the ending bit, with a lot of heart. You don't like, but it is one of the reasons Cougar Town is amongst my favorite comedies, so it comes as no surprise to me that I also like it here. For those undecided about watching the show, the best thing I can say is that it is like New Girl's Scmith and Jess were siblings and he was helping her create her daughter. It totally reminds me of that relationship. Hopefully the show finds an audience. I will be sticking around for it!
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