SEEKING POWER | The brothers are “starting the season on the offense,” shared Carver. “They really want something. It ties in very deeply with the mythology [and is] something very near and dear to their hearts. They are very much united” in their quest to get it. So what is the mysterious something? Sam, Dean, Kevin and Crowley are “all involved in a chase for a power source, ultimately,” hinted Edlund.
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Season eight sounds fucking awesome, tbh. Can't wait for it!
ReplyDeleteThis is what I felt even during season 7 and see what finally happened. I would rather wait for more interviews from press room before deciding anything.
ReplyDelete..A NEW POWER SOURCE exist something more powerful that human soul...find a new who would be that..absolutely over the top of ..///.AWESOME.///.this season will be ..//FANTASTIC.//
ReplyDeleteDidn't they do exactly the same thing going after the purgatory (power source) in season 6?
ReplyDeletepress room panels are happening right now so we should be getting more info soon
ReplyDeleteSPOILERS-
ReplyDeleteCas will return in episode along with Dean and a mystery third character in Purgory
we will see flashbacks of Sam happy and have normal relationship-Jared
ReplyDeleteJensen in the press room
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure how I feel about Sam and Dean being separated and it having a strong impact. I'm worried about the comment about their separation: "it had a profound effect on each of them. And each has gone a very separate way. They will each carry what happened in their [time] away from each other." It reminds me too much of the fourth season. I'm not ready to have another season of the brothers being at odds and one being right and the other one being wrong. I didn't like that then. But Carver did say that "they are very much united." So, hopefully, we'll have them caring about each other more this season than last season. I guess it's just time to wait and see.
ReplyDeleteI'm excited about the new relationships!
sorry should have said in flashbacks
ReplyDeletethe press room was so packed they had to move to a bigger one aparently
ReplyDeleteA YEAR has passed up top will Dean was in Purgatory
ReplyDeletethey will tackle where Cas went in the first few episodes
ReplyDeleteDean will get out with the help of someone from Purgatory but he's not a good guy and wont be going anywhere either
ReplyDeleteCas didnt abandon Dean
ReplyDeletethere are fewer cas and sam scenes than Dean and Cas because Jared makes Misha laugh too much to be able to get through a scene
ReplyDeleteSomehow I doubt the plot will be the same as season 6.
ReplyDeleteJared in the press room
ReplyDeleteDean comes back from Purgatory in the season premier
ReplyDeleteSo another year that the writers will conveniently forget to account for time wise? Suspension of belief is critical, but really they should be in 2013 counting Sam's soulless stint and a year in Purgatory means they should be in 2014. Do NOT pay attention to dates on props if you want to keep your sanity.
ReplyDeleteI'm really nervous about the Having gone a very separate way. It is way too close to the fourth season. What does very much united mean. Having the same goals, but the bond is gone?
ReplyDeleteJared-Sam walks away from the hunting life because there is no one left to fight for (with Dean not being around)
ReplyDeletewe can go emotionally deeper-JC on going new places
ReplyDeletealso there is no talk of this being the last season/there being an end in sight
Mark Sheppard filming Jared at the round table
ReplyDeletecas will be back in episode 2 flashbacks but he will have some physical differences?
ReplyDeleteSo that means Cas wasn't zapped out of Purgatory then?
ReplyDeletevarious
ReplyDeleteBen-I currently have a scene of Dean walking on a beach-cant promise we'll shoot it
Just Kidding, I guess he will bitten by purgatory monsters for swallow them up before :)
ReplyDeleteJC-this season sets up a storyline that can go on for years
ReplyDeleteIt will be reaaaally funny if Sam went to Law school and got engaged to that girl we've been hearing about for the last few days.
ReplyDeleteexpect more Vampires this season?
ReplyDeleteI don't think he means the bond is gone. Carver said the brothers' bond is the strength of the show. And since Carver did write "A Very Supernatural Christmas," "Point of No Return," and "Mystery Spot." I'm worried about the separate ways, but I'm not sure how the change is going to be. Maybe they'll be closer and talk to each other and we'll see the flashbacks that way??? I'm hoping the very much united means they're on the same page and helping each other. But I don't know.
ReplyDeleteit seems to me its Sam and Dean V the world but they both have their own things to go through this season too. The Purgatory thing it sounds like may be more about the upcoming mythology and not all about just Dean's flashbacks. I think Benny will play a major role later in the season. Not sure if Sam's year will be told in more than episode, my guess is episode 3 will be it but Amelia will stick around for the season.
ReplyDeleteJared-Sam will have a tough time without Dean and will get help from someone in a similar boat (Amelia)
ReplyDeleteThis is what I call brotherly love. Unlike many others, I don't mind if they are apart. All I want is they care for each other and miss the other like hell.
ReplyDeleteseason 4 + season 6 = Season 8 IMO
ReplyDeletejust about to say the same thing
ReplyDeleteActually the more I'm hearing about what happened while Dean was in Purgatory the more I'm feeling like season 8 is a redo of season 6 but with the brothers switched and a much tighter mytharc.
ReplyDeleteThank you for the updates, tvmonkey. As a FANATIC Supernatural fan that sadly couldn't attend Comic Con, you have truly made my year :)
ReplyDeleteyou are welcome
ReplyDeleteIt really does sound like it from these snippets. Of course it's Supernatural so nothing will be like it seems.
ReplyDeleteYes, thanks very much, that's very kind
ReplyDeleteActually you are right, but in a negative sense. I expected season 7 to be a lot better. But it has gotten worse.
ReplyDeleteThank you
ReplyDeleteObviously we're not going to know exactly what the story is going to be until the actual episodes air, but if these spoilers are indicative of what's to come, then I don't like any of it.
ReplyDeleteFirst it was Sam on his own in season four for 4 months, then Dean was on his own in season six while Sam was a year in Hell, now it's back to Sam being on his own for a year while Dean's in Purgatory! What the heck!
Then I don't like that Sam has given up on Dean enough to settle down happily with someone and just let things ride for a whole year.
I never liked the sound of this season from the very first spoiler I read and there's nothing up till now that is making me change my mind.
Awww, come on. Don't give up hope. One of the spoilers was that Sam has a really rough time topside without Dean. If he does give up, I doubt it was an easy decision. I see a lot of potential growth for Sam this season.
ReplyDeleteI can't wait for more spoilers! *thud*
ReplyDeleteAnd later the premiere *thud*
I'm getting super excited again.
ReplyDeleteI have mixed feeling with some spoilers but others got me so pumped I can barely stay in my seat.
People can think whatever they want to. Not everyone will ever be happy.
ReplyDeleteand Sam is actually going to have something in his life to fight for again, I think that's great.
ReplyDeleteBesides I think Dean would want Sam to find hapiness and not fall into the trap of darkness, deals and such like last time esp if there is no way to save him or saving him involves Sam doing things Dean rather he wouldnt. Then theres the whole risk of letting things out if he were to break Dean out?
Matter of opinion. I'm waiting until premiere to decide to be negative. Until then I'll stay happy and excited.
ReplyDeleteWow that dose sound cool can't wait
ReplyDeleteWe don't even know if Sam figured out where Dean and Cas went. No one told him straight up in the finale. So he may have had no idea where to even start looking for either of them.
ReplyDeleteIt would be hard for him to find leads and eventually he may have had to realize he couldn't do anything.
exactly maybe he thinks Dean is dead?
ReplyDeleteIt's possible.
ReplyDeletethats pretty much what a lot of fans are saying
ReplyDeleteIf it is like a re-do of season 6, it sounds a lot more exciting to me.
ReplyDeleteI'm not giving up. I'll watch the show in any case, well on DVD anyway!
ReplyDeleteIt's just that I like the brothers working together, overcoming their problems together and even if they're apart for some of the time, that doesn't bother me too much as long as one is trying to help out the other.
As for Sam's growth, I think the poor guy has had plenty of growth since the day he was born, I don't think he really needs more time on his own; on the contrary, I think the brothers should have more time together!
However to know that Sam goes off to live the "apple-pie" life and gives up on Dean after all the suffering and pain the brothers have been through for one another just saddens me.
would just like to say that... i made it in!!!! the panel was awesome!!!! soooooo funny, the guys are all amazing and next season sounds incredible.
ReplyDeleteA power source "near and dear" to their hearts? What could that be, Bobby's/John's/Mary's soul? Something that allows the dead to come back to life with no drawbacks? Something that wipes out any monsters in the immediate vicinity?
ReplyDeleteThose are the only possibilities I can come up with off the top of my head, and only the first two really fit that "near and dear" line terribly well.
Lucky I don't pay attention to props. lol But yeah, they should pay more attention to that stuff if they're going to do time jumps.
ReplyDeleteCongrats on getting in
ReplyDeleteWell you have one brother living the domesticated life. One brother is is hell/Purgatory for awhile. That one gets out of said location via something other than their brother getting them out. 1 year passes and the brothers reunite. It's an inevitable comparison.
ReplyDeleteEveryone from last season writing team will be back this season except Sera Gamble
ReplyDeleteSomeone had a theory that its Samulet.
ReplyDeleteThat would be interesting. It is an amulet that was supposed to be able to find God maybe it can do something else?
ReplyDeleteYeah, but, an entire season's quest for this tiny object isn't much fun. But, I always wished, Sam took that one out of trash. I don't know if I am happy with that.
ReplyDeleteThe guys all together
ReplyDeleteBut what's the point?
ReplyDeleteThey say that in the first episode the brothers will be back together again, so the whole Sam/Amelia thing will have been for nothing.
Whatever the ultimate solution will be, she is going to be a mis-fit if the brothers go back to hunting again just like Lisa was, and Lisa was very, very understanding about the whole thing and yet it could never have worked out.
Then the Winchesters are experts in the field of the supernatural. If anyone could get Dean back, it would have been Sam; actually if anyone should get Dean out of Purgatory it should only be Sam!
I'm sure he must suspect that Dean's ended up in Purgatory anyway
I agree, as long as the separation is not more than 3-4 episodes, and mostly off-screen if it is longer! They can maintain strong brotherly bonds apart, and sometimes that stuff is more powerful (like Sam battling himself in the s6 finale to get back to Dean). I am so, so, so excited for s8.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Sam needs growth other than as a person outside of being Dean's brother and always the chosen one. He's had a bloody tough life, he deserves something for himself.
ReplyDeleteSo far I like most of what I'm hearing. The part about them going on the offensive should address the criticism that the show was being the story of side characters rather than Sam and Dean's story.
ReplyDeleteI'm good with them spending some time apart. Honestly, I think the Sam and Dean dynamic has gotten pretty stale - it seems like they're recycling the same old jokes, same old bitchfaces - and giving them some new experiences from their year apart will change the dynamic a little.
I like that it sounds like they have a strong mytharc with a lot of twists and turns, and that this isn't going to be just a long string of MOTWs. So I approve here too.
I love that it sounds like Sam's character is going to be finally fleshed out and he'll be a human again, and even show some emotions.
The strong Dean-purgatory storyline will hopefully shut down the complaints that Dean has never been tied to the mytharc.
In the end, it's all in the details, but so far, so good.
JC is going to have his work cut out in pulling everyone together and fixing the bad scripts before they go to production. With strong leadership, we shouldn't even be aware that there are weaker writers.
ReplyDeleteSo a monster is gonna help Dean get outta Purgatory? Hmmm. Curioser and curioser. Could it be Benny?
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping this will be the case.
ReplyDeleteThe something for himself would be his love- affair with Amelia?
ReplyDeleteBoth brothers have had hard, painful lives and both deserve something more. I just don't feel this is the right way to go, that's all.
It''s already been done.
I can agree with that too.
ReplyDeleteWhatever it is, I think I'll be fine with it.
-Dean's Purgatory experience is going to be spread out through the season, its a terrible plight
ReplyDelete-Sam hand Dean's new relationships will have huge affect on them through the season, they'll have things they have to go through individually
-their separation will have affected them profoundly
When all we have is a very sketchy outline of what's to come, everything always sounds like something that has come before. But the thing is, Dean and Jo was not a redo of Sam and Jessica. Sam and Ruby was not a redo of Dean and Jo. Dean and Lisa was not a redo of Sam and Ruby. So it's unlikely that the Sam and Amelia relationship will bear any resemblance to either the Dean and Lisa story of the Sam and Ruby story.
ReplyDeleteSame goes with the Dean/Purgatory story. It's likely not going to be similar to the Dean/Hell storyline of season 5 or the soulless Sam story of season 6. It's the details that set the tone and direction of the story, and we know very little yet.
Ok I'm off to watch Jared at NerdHQ in 15 mins, night
ReplyDeleteAre you at the convention?
ReplyDeleteWorse and worse, especially the last two. Just not what I expected to hear. Oh well! :(
ReplyDeleteHmm. That wouldn't be too bad, I think. Like you said in your follow-up post to C P, it might not be as much fun to base an entire season (or more, given that comment about this season opening up a plot line that could go on for years) around just the amulet, but I'd be okay with that decision (at least until they screw that up, if they screw it up), and it does fit the details given, but it might not be the most exciting option.
ReplyDeleteDon't have to be worried about them being apart long on screen. Dean's back in Episode 1.
ReplyDeleteoh yeah, I know. I'm glad too, even though I was also hoping for at least one episode before Dean was back topside. However, with what I'm hearing about the use of flashbacks I think I like what they are promising to deliver better than what I was imagining. :) if that makes sense, lol.
ReplyDeleteThat makes sense, but it makes me so sad... I always thought Sam and Cas would have made good friends once they got past the "boy with the demon blood" thing.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but where's the joy in watching two emotionally dead people who have nothing in their lives but each other and their jobs. Their parents die, their friends die, their loves die. It's not much of a story if they just give up on living.
ReplyDeleteWell, I just checked out the article over at tvovermind.com and that killed any hope I had for Sam and Dean and their brotherhood this season. Here's what it said:
ReplyDelete"Winchester Reunion
While we don’t know a lot about the reunion between Sam and Dean, we do know there will be a bit of initial tension. Dean will feel slightly resentful that Sam didn’t try to find him, according to Edlund. Dean will essentially ask “‘why didn’t you look [for me]? We had a tacit agreement that we always look [even if we said we wouldn’t]’.” Padalecki also said that Dean will question how Sam just cut himself out of a life of hunting. Wasn’t he paying attention to the strange things happening around the country? For his part, Sam will explain that he knew there were other hunters out there to take care of things and he chose to do this with his life instead.
This struggle will have them grappling with the question of how to live a normal life in a life of hunting. All they have done for most of their life is be at the mercy of this massive duty. In a way, Sam getting out of hunting was the right thing to do. Living a normal life made him realize (once again) what he was fighting for all this time. That will, ultimately, make him a better hunter, Edlund explained."
Source: http://www.tvovermind.com/supernatural/supernatural-press-room-season-8-spoilers-comic-con/#.UAM5GP-8Tzk.twitter
So, basically, Sam didn't look for Dean at all. He gave up the second Dean was gone. Huh? I believe the show has thrown Sam under the bus again. What the heck? I can't believe that they aren't even going to at least put in a line about Sam looking for Dean like they did in the sixth season for Dean or the fourth season for Sam. Do they not realize that this hurts the relationship and makes Sam look awful? Why would they do this? Seriously, they think that not including Sam attempting to look for Dean is a good idea?!! I was bummed when I found out that Sam wasn't going to save Dean and there was going to be a time jump, but character assassination? How are they going to make things look okay with Dean being pushed to his limit and Sam happy? Honestly, I don't know what to think about this. How can they ever make this okay?
hells_half_acre on live journal has kept a meticulous timeline detailing dates and times of year for the entire season. She uses dialog, props, and other details. The year between 5 and 6 really got messy (she finally made 2 one for where it was with the jump and one without). Now she has to deal with another one. I really feel sorry for her.
ReplyDeleteI am happy brothers are exploring on their own and agree with you brotherly moments getting stale. And also open to all new characters and relationships. Also I wish Castiel is limited this season too and hope that writers will seek an answer other than Castiel for this staleness.
ReplyDeleteUgh. I know this is corny, but I hate it when the brothers have "tension" between them. I've so had enough of that. I hope it won't last long.
ReplyDeleteThis does sound weird. Maybe this was just Dean's perspective and not Sam's? Kind of like Dean saying Sam chose a demon over him. I'm sure that's not how Sam saw it.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know if this is truth? I only read it in one place:
ReplyDelete"-Returning character most thought long dead from first 3 seasons will be a Big Bad as 1st season plotline intersects with 8th"
Sure hope so. :I
ReplyDeleteNo. Sam looked for Dean but he couldn't find him. It's not like a regular demon or monster would know about this weapon of god.
ReplyDeleteI think he is going to be in a case and help this Amelia. And that's when he is going to meet her.
Can anyone of you make this clear to me?
ReplyDeleteHuffingtonPost : It's[Sam's Love affair not gonna affect Sam and Dean's relationship because Sam and Amelia are done by the time Dean shows back up.
TVOverMind : We will see more of Amelia in the current timeline, as well as in flashbacks.
Who is right?
Kevin. Crowley is going to be searching the Words from God.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't sound so bad after reading the whole article. I think Dean will be thinking that way, that it is not the whole truth.
ReplyDeleteWe're going to see more of her. That doesn't mean she is still his girlfriend.
ReplyDeletePeople seriously need to chill out. Is not that Sam is going to give up on Dean and go live a normal life. He is going to search Dean and of course he isn't going to find him. First of all he doesn't know that Dean is in Purgatory, second the only way that he could bring him back is opening a door to Purgatory but then all the things from there would come here.
ReplyDeleteHe is going to some cases and that's when he'll meet Amelia. And he is going to say what the hell? Everyone I know is dead.
Poor guy. Is not that Sam has given up on Dean. He can't find him. He has no one, Bobby is gone, so is Cas.
ReplyDeleteI think he needs more time on his own to gain some perspective, to know what they're fighting for.
ReplyDeleteIt's not the same. Amelia isn't going to interfere with Sam and Dean relationship. They're going to be separated by the time Dean gets out.
ReplyDeleteIt's not for nothing.
ReplyDeleteSam couldn't get Dean out of Hell. Dean couldn't get Sam out of Hell. So no, Sam can't bring him back just like that.
Their separation is in flashbacks only. They're being reunited in the first episode.
ReplyDeleteHe is going to be more like his older self but now he isn't naive and he has all these experiences.
ReplyDeleteAlso Bobby and Cas gone.
ReplyDeleteSounds like it.
ReplyDeleteYeah I was hoping for at least 1 episode with Dean in Purgatory, but as you said, the flashbacks are starting to sound more and more interesting.
ReplyDeleteOh I know - now my only hope is for an epic brother-reunion on par with Season 4's Lazarus Rising. :)
ReplyDeleteI'm kind of bummed there weren't more flashbacks in season 4, at least of Sam's solo-journey. I liked what they did in I Know What You Did Last Summer, but I wanted to know more about his time alone. So if they do flashbacks through the whole of season 8 of the guys solo, I'll definitely be happy! That way we get the brothers together, but also get to see what they did before being brought back together. :)
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping that you are right and we'll get both sides of the story, but it still sounds strange.
ReplyDeleteThinking about this more, it makes sense that Sam thought that Dean was dead, and possibly that he went to Heaven. And the big lesson they should have learned by now is that they need to stop bringing each other back from the dead. In TMWKTM, Sam would have preferred to have died rather than return back to the living with his Hell memories, but he returned only out of a sense of loyalty to Dean. They've both been a little suicidal throughout season 6, so maybe Sam thought Dean was at rest.
ReplyDeleteHow do you know Sam and Amelia will be separated by the time Dean reunites with Sam. Everything I've heard so far points to the opposite of that.
ReplyDeleteBut my problem with it being Dean's way of thinking is that we mainly see Dean's point of view and Sam is already seen as he doesn't care or love Dean enough by parts of the fandom. Personally, I'm tired of Sam looking like the bad brother and Dean thinking that Sam doesn't care about him. I understand that Sam has no information and no clue where to begin, but it doesn't make sense that he would give up looking for Dean so quickly. I had when there is tension between Sam and Dean and I'm tired of the brothers not seeming close. This makes it sounds like it's only going to get worse.
ReplyDeleteI see what you mean, but it doesn't sound like Sam thought much about Dean at all. It could be that they are just trying to keep us out of the loop. They might have Sam trying something or doing something. They might not. I think it could work if Sam thought Dean was indeed dead, but to me, none of the spoilers I have read so far has made it really seem like Sam truly believed Dean was dead.
ReplyDeleteNo demon this time.
ReplyDeleteBen Edlund: On where we'll find Sam and Dean mentally next season: "Maybe a little shocked to realize that in this profound period of separation, they've figured out how to survive without each other. That's part of it, a little bit growing up and realizing that they can't be the only things to each other or they have too closed a world or too closed an emotional complex. [They'll meet] new people, have new relationships, and are looking outward from this partnership that is both highly functional in terms of saving the world but also highly dysfunctional in terms of how you might relate to the world."
In episode 1 Dean and the mystery third character get out of Purgatory. In episode 2 we're going to see Cas in a flashback Purgatory, so I think we're going to learn what happened with Cas in that episode. No idea when he will be joining the brothers in the present.
ReplyDeleteThis time no eve, no soulless sam, no crappy episodes from the writers of Ringer, no shady Cass, no Campbells.
ReplyDeleteAnd from what I've read Amelia and Sam are done by the time Dean gets out. But I'm not sure if she will be appearing despite they're separated.
Episode 2: Dean/Cas flashback
ReplyDelete3: Sam flashback
Quite frankly, this was the worst spoiler that came out. They need a big overhaul.
ReplyDeleteWhen we originally heard that someone from Purgatory named Benny was going to get Dean out, I thought that was code for Bobby. Now not so sure.
ReplyDeleteI still think Bobby is coming back somehow.
ReplyDeleteLast year problem wasn't the standalone episodes. Tes Season Seven Time for a Wedding was garbage but one episode doesn't ruin the shole season. The problem was the arc. All seasons have had weaker episodes.
ReplyDeleteWell this indeed the worst case spin on what little we know. I'm confident this makes things seem worse than they are. I've not been a fan of Edlund's take on things throughout SDCC so perhaps this is not the well-rounded perspective we will see on the screen.
ReplyDeleteI agree. My brother feuding needs to stop. We've been at it since season 4. If they really want to recapture seasons 2 and 3 like they said, they need to stop with brother fights.
ReplyDeleteOn where we'll find Sam and Dean mentally next season: "Maybe a little shocked to realize that in this profound period of separation, they've figured out how to survive without each other. That's part of it, a little bit growing up and realizing that they can't be the only things to each other or they have too closed a world or too closed an emotional complex. [They'll meet] new people, have new relationships, and are looking outward from this partnership that is both highly functional in terms of saving the world but also highly dysfunctional in terms of how you might relate to the world."
ReplyDeleteyooo hooo my day just got better
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure why anyone would think Dean was dead. That doesn't make any sense. If he were dead, wouldn't his body have remained? Wouldn't Sam have something to grieve over? It's not like Sam didn't see Dean pouf out. The logical conclusion would be that he was teleported somewhere not that he was dead.
ReplyDeleteWhat I'm hearing leans towards them still being together. Only Huffington Post is saying otherwise as far as I've read.
ReplyDeleteI'm getting tired. You are all complaining about stuff you haven't seen.
ReplyDeleteFUCK.
If Sam didn't continue searching for Dean is because he couldn't find him. At the end of S7 he didn't know where Dean went. And I doubt that he can bring him back just like that. Crowley control the demons, so no deals. Death isn't going to help them after what happened. God isn't nowhere to found after S5. And now he doesn't have Bobby or Cas.
It was an explosion. It would make sense if Sam believed Dean exploded.
ReplyDeleteAnd either way he can't bring him back from heaven, hell or purgatory. No demons deal, no death, no god, no cass, no bobby. Should I go on?????
I hope you are right and later in October everyone who said this isn't the case can scream "I told you so" to all of us who are upset now about this. But right now, it's too late because I've already seen fans discussing how Sam doesn't love Dean and he was just waiting for Dean to disappear and die, because he is so selfish. So, I don't understand why they would even want to promote the show like this. Maybe they'll back-track again like they did last season. (Apparently, they didn't talk enough about Dean last year at SDCC, so they had to do a bunch of interviews explaining Dean would have a 13-episode story-arch and a secret.) So, maybe they'll explain this better later. I know there are a few more conventions before the season begins, so maybe it will be clarified. But it's already too late for some fans to believe that Sam is anything, but selfish.
ReplyDeleteIf someone's body went poof, why wouldn't you think they were dead? They were trying to kill Dick, and Dean and Cas got caught in his explosion. Besides, going to Purgatory, Heaven, or Hell means that you died, just like when Sam fell into Lucifer's cage, people were saying he died.
ReplyDeleteRobbie Thompson = great.
ReplyDeleteJARED SAID SO:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/15/supernatural-comic-con-interviews_n_1674845.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
No you don't have to go on because you're missing the point. First, Dick exploded in black goo. There was no blood and no human or angel bits. Not even a paper fell off the desks, There was no impact point. Nothing was toppled. There was some black goo in some places - not even the majority of the lab. That was it. No way that spells that Dean imploded all over the place. Sam assuming Dean is dead makes absolutely no sense. Sam was even asking where Dean was not how he was.
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying that Sam should be able to get Dean out of Purgatory alone. He shouldn't or Purgatory becomes a joke. However Sam doing it with help, especially someone like Death, is doable. For Sam to not try to get AlphaVamp or Death to help would be out of character and quite frankly make no sense. I think Sam will try to get Dean back until he exhausts all options. Then he heads to a more normal life. Just because a Winchester thinks something is impossible doesn't mean he doesn't try. That's why I think this "spoiler" is actually a warped perspective of what really happens.
Even in Season 1-3 they had something they were arguing about. Season 1 was their Dad, Season 2 was little things here and there and Season 3 was over whether or not they should try to stop Dean's death. Just these things weren't as big as other stuff in further seasons.
ReplyDeleteThis doesn't say they're going to be fighting. And it doesn't say Sam didn't look for Dean.
ReplyDeleteIt just says that Sam didn't continue searching him. I'm sure he tried but couldn't.
Sam couldn't get Dean out of Hell. Dean couldn't get Sam out of Hell. It's the same.
More than half of the episodes from last season I wouldn't waste my time watching again. There were multiple problems - the season arc was only one of them. Characterization problems, lack of passion, and lack of imagination are three major issues that come to mind. BTW, while TfaW wasn't a favorite episode of mine, there are others from last season that I consider much worse. TfaW had some funny moments.
ReplyDeleteAnd this doesn't say they're going to be arguing all the time.
ReplyDeleteThe spoiler doesn't say that Sam just gives up after Dean disappeared. Sam is going to try to search Dean and after he fails he is going to try a normal life.
ReplyDeleteAnd like I said is not like he has many options:
- Death is not going to help after 7.1
- God nowhere to be found after 5.22
- Cass and Bobby gone
- Crowley is the King of Hell = no demon deals
- Heaven is decimated
Well he should know. However it seems like we are getting contradictory spoilers. Not just in this area but also in the brother relationship too. I'm starting to wonder what to believe.
ReplyDeleteWith fewer standalones between the mythologycal episodes and a better arc it would have totally worked.
ReplyDeleteThere were some really good standalone episodes.
Yeap, I heard. I'm looking forward to knowing what happened. First 3 episodes I will have a hard time waiting for (but that's not new to me I guess lol).
ReplyDeleteThe spoilers in the brother relationship aren't contradictory. At least for me.
ReplyDeleteIf Dean is angry because Sam didn't continue searching for him doesn't mean that their bond isn't strong. Dean is going to figure it out Sam couldn't have done anything. Dean tried to bring Sam in S6 and he couldn't.
I'll admit I was more excited with pre-SDCC spoilers than I am now but I've been a fan for long enough to know that nothing ever turns out how we think it will. Mostly I am worried about the writing staff not changing and am not happy with it sounding like Ben Edlund is getting more influential instead of less, season 8 being another reboot, starting with a brother rift, going "emotionally deeper," and Sam not being part of Dean getting out of Purgatory. I LOVE the ideas of the brothers being on the offensive, Amelia helping Sam connect, Crowley having an increased role, the brothers being personally connected to the mytharc, seeing more about Purgatory in flash backs instead of dropping it all together, the brother bond being "the heart of the show," the epicness of the mytharc being cut back, and Jensen directing a bloody standalone.
ReplyDeleteThere were some really good standalone episodes, but we're have to agree to disagree that the arc was the only major problem. If Sam or Dean was written distractingly OOC, or was being written as being too dumb to live, then I had trouble enjoying the episode, and those seemed to be common problems last season.
ReplyDeleteDahne I agree with you. In the finale, Crowley said he couldn't help Sam. But Sam kept asking where Castiel and Dean were. So, I don't understand why anyone would think Dean was dead when Sam wasn't asking that question. Sam clearly didn't think Dean was dead in the finale, so why would Sam give up on Dean because he believed Dean was dead.
ReplyDeleteNone of this makes any sense unless you believe that the writers are either naive/stupid enough to think this doesn't (or won't) make Sam look horrible or the writers want Sam to be hated by the fans and are deliberately are trying to sabotage Sam (and by extension the brothers' bond) for some reason (either personal or story reason). Neither one is good. In someways, it's easier to believe that the writers just hate Sam because it's more logical to think that they would know what this would do to a character. But then they go around and say that the show is about two brothers and sabotaging one brother destroys the brothers' bond. So, even if they do hate Sam, it still isn't good to want to make him hated. I'm hoping something was lost in translation. Some of the reports are very contradicting. So, I'm not certain of anything. Mostly just disappointed and sadden by this particular spoiler.
There are differences of opinion and sibling spats in any family. However, nothing in seasons 1-3 comes close to the Grand Canyon rifts between the brothers starting in season 4. Season 4 was a disaster for the brother relationship. A vast part of season 5 was also, especially considering heaven and hell wanted them to kill each other. Season 6 had RoboSam for half the season, which despite being a fun addition didn't do anything for the brother relationship. In season 7 they threw in the hideous season 7 Amy subplot. It's like if they can't find a logical way to tear the brother relationship up, they'll just throw in a completely contrived subplot to give us that "brother tension" no fan I know of likes. I'm sick of brothers at odds. Besides killing people, it is the go-to drama builder in the series these days and it's getting old. That's why I was hoping Carver would bring in a new set of writers - not all new but mostly new. We need people who see drama as something beyond killing off a fan favorite or ticking off the fans with a brother rift.
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong. I think Supernatural does a lot right and I still think episode by episode season 7 is the best they've done since midseason 4. It's been my favorite show for 7 years and I don't see that changing in season 8. I'm not even pro-fanservicing because I think it has done more harm than good on this show. However if you've used the same ploy for 4 years, it's time to move on.
Crowley has Kevin, so I'm thinking the powerful thing is mentioned by The Words from God?
ReplyDeleteShe puts it on herself. It's a TV show. They all get errors at some points. I have a problem with meta before I notice a date on a newspaper or something.
ReplyDeleteThe Amy plot was resolved good. They discussed the thing fine. It's not like they were fighting like in S4.
ReplyDeleteI think you guys are being too melodramatic about this.
There was ambiguity in the way Dean disappeared, so maybe Sam hoped at first that Dean wasn't dead, but when weeks or months had passed and he hadn't heard anything from Dean, and he had no leads to follow and no angels to ask, he came to believe Dean had died? I don't know where they'll go with this. I'm just not ruling out the possibility that Sam stopped searching because he believed Dean had died.
ReplyDeleteI only said it could be one reason. The other one being that he can't bring him back by any means.
ReplyDeleteI know. And I understand what you are saying, but I don't understand why Edlund would say that Dean would be resentful and ask why Sam didn't look for him, especially if Sam did look for Dean and had no leads. That just doesn't make sense to me.
ReplyDeleteYeah. The Words from God are probably maps or something happens if he has all of them.
ReplyDeleteIt's probably one thing from the first episode he is back. We don't know how times passes in Purgatory and he comes back and Sam says he stopped hunting and searching him, it makes sense.
ReplyDeleteSome fans were going to say that no matter what the spoiler was unfortunately. While they are vocal, they are a infinitesimal minority and that makes them pretty easy to weed out. Since last year I've found that sometimes the fandom makes me enjoy Supernatural less and by mid season 7 I realized that that was my own fault. I was giving them power over me and I'm not going to let others ruin my fun. Now I have a list of people whose comments I never read. I see their avatar or name and I skip right over them. I'm finding myself a whole lot happier and I still have plenty of people who disagree with me to make discussions interesting. So take it for what it's worth but I didn't have to leave my favorite sites like some of my friends. By not getting sucked into the same old arguments, listening to extremists, or feeling attacked by thinly veiled comments, I also found I liked Supernatural better. It was a relief not to be dragged down by the weight of other people.
ReplyDeleteThey didn't say that. Fans are just assuming.
ReplyDeleteIf Sam went to live a normal live it doesn't mean that he didn't try to find Dean.
Fans are just misreading this whole thing.
I'm going to butt in here, but Dean has always had self-esteem issues and been insecure about Sam's feelings for him. An example is interpreting Sam's attempts to run away as a child and go away to college as a rejection of him and their family, rather than a rejection of their hunting lifestyle. Another is characterizing Sam's choice to pursue using his demon powers (with the help of Ruby) as choosing Ruby over Dean. This may another case where he's not hearing what Sam is saying and acting off of his own insecurity instead.
ReplyDeleteAnd both Carver and Edlund said that the boys are going to deal with each's other new relationships.
ReplyDeleteDean and Sam relationship was too closed. They're cut from the world.
Most of that is what I like about the spoilers. There are a few things like the myth-arc being cut back that I agree about. That shouldn't be cut back. I love the idea of flashbacks- better than nothing.
ReplyDeleteWhere'd you get that? I haven't heard of it.
ReplyDeleteWhat I'm saying is Season 8 may not be as bad as Season 4-7, could be more like Season 1 or 3.
ReplyDeleteThey aren't going to cut the flashbacks. And this myth-arc is going to set up mythology for seasons to come. Unlike s6-s7, they were both a one deal-off.
ReplyDeleteSeason 4 and 5 are great.
ReplyDeleteGood point chris.
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Kind of like collecting the 4 horsemen rings. Get all the objects and together they can do something good.
ReplyDeleteOr in this case with this new power, good or bad depending on the person holding it.
Then I completely agree with you. We don't know anything at this point. I hope that it does get resolved right away (1-2 episodes top) and we get right into brothers fighting evil together like it used to be.
ReplyDeleteI AM SO EXCITED ABOUT ALL THE SPOILERS IT'S LIKE A WISH LIST COME TRUE!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI really don't care what they do, just get back on the air and have lots of Baby, Cas and Crowley along the way.
ReplyDeleteI like your simplification. :D
ReplyDeleteI'll personally be very glad if Ben Edlund gets more influence this year. He's a great creative writer.
ReplyDeleteI left CW lounge for that reason, but I left with friends. Otherwise, I would have continued to deal with it.
ReplyDeleteWith my high level of curiosity I always have to read the posts lol, but I try not to let things get too much under my skin.
My favorite seasons are 4 and 5 so I have to agree with you there. :)
ReplyDeleteI hope that's how it goes as well.
ReplyDeleteI just didn't like the Amy plot starting in the first place. Don't care if it was resolved well or not it was completely unnecessary as the guys had enough to deal with than anger over who killed who.
ReplyDeleteI would love it if you were right. I miss him already.
ReplyDeleteI like early Edlund a whole lot, meh about middle Edlund, and sometimes loathe late Edlund.
ReplyDeleteYeah, them being off on their own didn't seem to help the writers make Sam and Dean more independent. They didn't go back to doing much research and doing things on their own. They didn't smarten them up.
ReplyDeleteWhich is why I was upset over all the character deaths when it led to nothing better with Sam and Dean. There was no point.
I'm still a big fan of Edlund so we'll have to disagree. The 2 who i'm for having the most influence with this group of writers/producers are Carver and Edlund.
ReplyDeleteMe neither, but it was magnified by the fans. The bond between the brothers was really strong in S7.
ReplyDeleteI'm good with agree to disagree. At this point I want Robbie Thompson to write 1/2 of the episodes and Carver to write the rest. Maybe throw the odd episode to someone else.
ReplyDeleteEdlund should write the Cas centric episodes.
ReplyDeleteAs of right now we these are the writers for the upcoming episodes:
8.01: Probably Carver.
8.03 : Miss Singer and his partner xD.
8.05: Ben Edlund (a MOTW with pirate vampires)
I hope Robbie writes at least 4 episodes this season.
That's only if you believe there should be Cas-centric episodes, which I don't. This season needs to be Dean and Sam-centric. I agree about Robbie though.
ReplyDeleteCas a part to play this year. After all is going to be Heaven vs Hell.
ReplyDeleteI'm fine if he has a part to play in some episodes but that does not mean that any episode has to be Cas-centric. Bobby had a part to play in many episodes but their are only a couple I'd call Bobby-centric. Crowley has had a part to play in a lot of episodes but we've never had a Crowley-centric episode. I'd much rather see that than a second Cas-centric one.
ReplyDeleteI believe the problem was the stand-alones. Too many pointless stand-alones like S7TFAW and The Mentalists and such, not enough myth-arc episodes-cause every myth-arc episode, I loved (all with the Cas and Bobby episodes).
ReplyDeleteGlad to see you're one of the "less volatile" ones here. I started watching because of the mythology. I know there needs to be conflict in the story and accept it.
ReplyDeleteI save my angst for football season!
Well said. I normally take things at face value. What really amazed me was how downright nasty it got after Jared's dog died.
ReplyDeletePacker and Bear fans don't go at it like that.
Every season needs a Castiel-centric episode. This season is going to be 23 episodes.
ReplyDeleteAnd we need one Crowley-centric episode in case he is not what he seems.
We will have to agree to disagree because I think they've already had too many completely Cas-centric (TMWWBK) and largely Cas-centric episodes.
ReplyDeleteThe Mentalists was great. But they should have done more myth episodes in between. The Leviathans were presented as the ultimate threat and the boys were doing cases like nothing.
ReplyDeleteTMWWBK is one of the greatest episodes of Supernatural. We are going to need episodes with Castiel dealing with what's left of Heaven.
ReplyDeleteI wish for a few more characters and a good driving myth arc.
ReplyDeleteBenny and Amelia. And we're going to see more of Sheriff Mills, Garth and Charlie.
ReplyDeleteCarver: "The storylines we have set up for this year, sets up the show for years to come."
So true. The Supernatural fandom can do amazing things but it can also tear itself apart just as quickly, especially during hellatus. If the fandom is getting people down about Supernatural, then for me it's better to skip that part of the fandom and keep my favorite shows and my favorite websites.
ReplyDeleteI am really glad that this doesn't stagnate on just one character. I can't really understand, what they are going to do, with this season's' long arc. May be after spoilers from first episode. B
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