i think they have plenty of faith the day Continuum premiered (before its ratings came out) they said Lost Girl was the #1 show on Showcase in all key demos in press release
Just the way I was describing the arcs...all I'm saying is only having 13 episodes doesn't guarantee that they won't have storylines you don't like. It is only a guarantee that they will have fewer storylines overall.
Maybe they were waiting to make their decision on LG eps count after they saw how well Continuum did?
Going from 22 to 13 doesn't feel like faith to me. It's not like they are going to have a press release talking about being worried on falling ratings and wondering if they have any pilots that can take up the slack. But that is just how it comes across on the face of it. You would know better than I.
The more episodes the stronger the overall arc has to be and it became clear that they didn't really know what they were doing and that they had to rush to find filler.
Sure, but it means they won't drag out a story-line for longer than necessary. Not liking a certain arc is a given. I already dislike the fact that they'll be introducing a new character in the first place.
The first 13 had the season 1 creative team to map it out. The back 9 didn't. In my opinion that more than anything speaks to the team w/o Michelle Lovretta not really knowing what they were doing. And that is going to continue whether they have 13 eps or 22 to deal with.
However, even with a better arc, I don't think that the first 13 of season 2 made for a very satisfying season. It didn't go anywhere and most of the first 13 episodes were not on target for an overall arc at all. If that was all we got, it would have been a let down. Even with the continuity problems, the bad writing, the horrid fights, the total lack of vision, at the end of 22 they got somewhere with the "big bad." I mean think about having to watch the garuda storyline for 2 years. Ick. That's worse than the leviathans. No resolution to Ciara, Nadia, Lachlan, Dyson no love crap...all for 2 years! It would have been even more unwatchable.
Actually it could mean that they will drag a story you don't like all the way across the hiatus and into a completely new season...fewer stories, fewer resolutions, less airtime.
New characters mean less airtime for everybody already so how much satisfying character development do you really think each member of our newly minted ensemble is going to get in only 13 episodes?
That's a possibility, but unlikely to happen (at least to my viewing experience). None happened in the transition for season 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 (again, that *I* disliked). Most arcs I disliked didn't drag for long with the exception of those above mentioned. They served no purpose whatsoever and were used in episodes that could've been about developing what should have mattered, such as the Garuda storyline (which had a pathetic resolution, in my opinion). Not to mention that Dyson's storyline definitely suffered the most. An entire season for him to drink a "potion" and get his love back? That's all it took? Dyson and Lauren's character were assassinated way too many times in season 2. I don't think it would've happened in a shorter season.
And who knows, I never believed Lost Girl would run for longer than 4 seasons.
If they hadn't gotten the back 9 extension, all we would have had were episodes 1-13. And Nadia, Ciara, Lachlan, Dyson no love, and Garuda were all not resolved in that amount of time. So it would have taken 2 seasons to wrap those up and usually 2 seasons means 2 years.
Not, really. They got the back 9 order when they were still shooting earlier episodes. Episode 9 was already a filler consequence of the back 9. They said it themselves that the Nadia arc would have been resolved by episode 13 (as Dyson's lost love) and they thought it would be more dramatic if they dragged it out throughout a full season (their words). And Ryan-Nate would have probably been a 2-3 episode arc, tops.
thats not so bad, True blood only has 12 episode every summer. I dont think lost girl is show that should be 22 episodes anyways. it was pushing it . You get more seasons out of shorter episode counts, i think
This leaves a bad feeling in my stomach. I think it's not a good sign for the future of LG. I would like this show to have at least a six season run with 16 to 18 eps a season. To go to 22 then down to 13, no matter how good or bad the back 9 were sounds like a death knell; slashing episodes can't be good.
YES!! \o/ I was so hoping for a shorten season not because I don't love LG since I do but season 1 was just so good with everything even the bad episodes while season 2 was a little over the place.
A little sad, last season the problem was they didn't know they were getting an extended season. If they'd given them a back 9, and told them from the start, we would have a great longer season.
I think that's crazy...the timing of the season is everything, so don't add nine but 13 is too short. Look at the time line of these episodes...speaking for myself, dedication to watching a series for me means continuity...ending in April and waiting until what, mid September.? Too many short seasons is a killer, sure add past episodes inbetween new ones, but if I can't keep track of the season that's it for me...and not because I don't LOVE the show. Same thing with changing days,and times all of that affects them. I hope LG survives past season 3.
Unfortunately, that's how cable works for most shows. In hit shows like Game of Thrones, True Blood or The Walking Dead (6 episodes in season 1), you are dealing with short seasons with sometimes less than 13 episodes and the wait in between seasons sometimes surpasses a year. It is how it works for Showcase as well. Their now #1 hit, Continuum has only 10 episodes. I don't think it's going to hurt Lost Girl at all.
I can't see that 22 episodes did anything to develop the characters, rather it muddied up both Lauren and Dyson. During the last five episodes they got rid of all the complications they'd created by killing off Lauren and Dyson's lovers, sending Ryan and Nate off and getting Dyson's love back, none of this occurred with stellar storytelling, it was just a rush to re-establish the status quo. I don't see much regret for any of those discarded in the cull and that tells a story all of it's own.
Season 3 needs to be more exciting, much tighter storytelling and much more inclusive of our gang of six. That I'll watch. Showcase need to forget about the Syfy standards and get on with a Canadian show, that's what made it successful in the first place. If Syfy want to buy it, they can sanitize it afterwards and the rest of us can watch it as it was originally envisioned.
It is bizarre to me to blame an episode count for crappy storylines, bad direction, complete lack of continuity, painfully bad actions scenes, and even more horrific writing. 9, 13, 22...if they can't come up with a compelling story, they can't come up with a compelling story. Are we saying that after 13 episodes the writers/producers can't remember the previous season anymore, their memory cards got full? Dialogue is dialogue it isn't like they only have 10 exciting scenes in them and then the well runs dry, either they can write it or they can't. Fewer episodes just means Showcase doesn't think they can do it either.
I don't think we should be using an episode count as a scapegoat for a lack of vision with somehow a guarantee that fewer episodes would bring that vision, consistency, and good characterization back. In the end, all fewer episodes means is less screen time for all characters, and Showcase not relying on Lost Girl to bring in viewers (and maybe a lack of faith in the show entirely). Because no matter that most US cable shows typically have 12-16 episode seasons, LG had was bumped up to 22 like a network show and now they've dropped it down. The drop means they didn't think the benefit outweighed the cost, so either they are hoping for a fuller schedule or they like Continuum's numbers or LG costs too much to sustain the ratings drop or SyFy only wanted a 13-episode season or whatever. How is that good for Lost Girl?
I wouldn't have picked 9, 13, & 22 as the worst of the bunch, I thought they were some of the better episodes 14,15,18 and 19 would have got my vote, I thought Nadia's dispatch was one of the worse crafted death scenes going, having said that Ciara's wasn't much better. All they seemed to do to extend the season was to complicate the love triangle because that is all the creative team think is popular. I'm not surprised some reviewers are starting to use the term 'soap opera' because that's what it turned into. I must admit I'd be a happy camper never to hear about Dyson's bewildering degrees of lost heartedness again so the fact he's got it back can only be a plus. I'm very glad Lauren's ill fated girlfriend's gone too and hopefully that's the last skeleton in Lauren's cupboard to rattle post-coitally another one would make it a running joke. If they've brought in Tamsin to ping pong around the triangle, I think 13 episodes will be quite sufficient.
I would put in a personal plea that Andras knocks together a decent arc so whichever side of the triangle is disappointed can have something else to watch rather than just Bo ripping off the clothes of her partner of choice and demon Bo's sexcapades (which will probably include the disappointed lover.) I don't mind the show being sexy, such that it is, but I'd like something more from an arc than a shoal of red herrings that swim into infinity. I want a proper arc, I want to guess at what's happening and be able to base that on the clues so far not something that just botches together a mediocre ending after 22 episodes. I like the Fae world, I want to know more about it, I like the characters, campy humour and fun but it needs more substance. 22 episodes was obviously a task too large therefore I feel they should try and consolidate their strengths before getting ambitious.
Oh, okay, fair enough, I was a bit perplexed. I think there are numerous reasons why the season has been trimmed, some of which you have outlined but there are others. I just think from the show's point of view they need to bunker down, work with what works well and tighten up on the storytelling and characterization. They weren't sure who was going to buy the show in the US last year which might have explained the bumping up of the episode load, I can't see that 13 episodes a season would ever have been a problem for Syfy especially since they were so far behind. If they wanted a longer season it would have been more an issue for Season3 than Season 2.
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ReplyDeletePraise the tv gods. Season 2 was much weaker for having more episodes.
ReplyDeleteFine by me. I would have preferred 16 so they could do a split season of 8 and 8 but 13 is definitely preferable to 22.
ReplyDeleteWell crap. That doesn't say good things about Showcase's faith in LG.
ReplyDeleteNot that the back 9 weren't horrific, but I don't think you can blame season 2's weaknesses on more episodes alone.
ReplyDeleteI personally would rather see 13 solid-ish episodes than to sit through the Ryan/Nate/Nadia arc again.
ReplyDelete13 episodes isn't a guarantee of no extra love interests.
ReplyDeleteThat's not why I disliked those arcs.
ReplyDeletei think they have plenty of faith the day Continuum premiered (before its ratings came out) they said Lost Girl was the #1 show on Showcase in all key demos in press release
ReplyDeleteJust the way I was describing the arcs...all I'm saying is only having 13 episodes doesn't guarantee that they won't have storylines you don't like. It is only a guarantee that they will have fewer storylines overall.
ReplyDeleteMaybe they were waiting to make their decision on LG eps count after they saw how well Continuum did?
ReplyDeleteGoing from 22 to 13 doesn't feel like faith to me. It's not like they are going to have a press release talking about being worried on falling ratings and wondering if they have any pilots that can take up the slack. But that is just how it comes across on the face of it. You would know better than I.
The more episodes the stronger the overall arc has to be and it became clear that they didn't really know what they were doing and that they had to rush to find filler.
ReplyDeleteSure, but it means they won't drag out a story-line for longer than necessary. Not liking a certain arc is a given. I already dislike the fact that they'll be introducing a new character in the first place.
ReplyDeleteThe first 13 had the season 1 creative team to map it out. The back 9 didn't. In my opinion that more than anything speaks to the team w/o Michelle Lovretta not really knowing what they were doing. And that is going to continue whether they have 13 eps or 22 to deal with.
ReplyDeleteHowever, even with a better arc, I don't think that the first 13 of season 2 made for a very satisfying season. It didn't go anywhere and most of the first 13 episodes were not on target for an overall arc at all. If that was all we got, it would have been a let down. Even with the continuity problems, the bad writing, the horrid fights, the total lack of vision, at the end of 22 they got somewhere with the "big bad." I mean think about having to watch the garuda storyline for 2 years. Ick. That's worse than the leviathans. No resolution to Ciara, Nadia, Lachlan, Dyson no love crap...all for 2 years! It would have been even more unwatchable.
Actually it could mean that they will drag a story you don't like all the way across the hiatus and into a completely new season...fewer stories, fewer resolutions, less airtime.
ReplyDeleteNew characters mean less airtime for everybody already so how much satisfying character development do you really think each member of our newly minted ensemble is going to get in only 13 episodes?
That's a possibility, but unlikely to happen (at least to my viewing experience). None happened in the transition for season 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 (again, that *I* disliked). Most arcs I disliked didn't drag for long with the exception of those above mentioned. They served no purpose whatsoever and were used in episodes that could've been about developing what should have mattered, such as the Garuda storyline (which had a pathetic resolution, in my opinion). Not to mention that Dyson's storyline definitely suffered the most. An entire season for him to drink a "potion" and get his love back? That's all it took? Dyson and Lauren's character were assassinated way too many times in season 2. I don't think it would've happened in a shorter season.
ReplyDeleteAnd who knows, I never believed Lost Girl would run for longer than 4 seasons.
Those things wouldn't have spent two years playing out, they were all unnecessarily extended to take up more episodes.
ReplyDeleteIf they hadn't gotten the back 9 extension, all we would have had were episodes 1-13. And Nadia, Ciara, Lachlan, Dyson no love, and Garuda were all not resolved in that amount of time. So it would have taken 2 seasons to wrap those up and usually 2 seasons means 2 years.
ReplyDeleteNot, really. They got the back 9 order when they were still shooting earlier episodes. Episode 9 was already a filler consequence of the back 9. They said it themselves that the Nadia arc would have been resolved by episode 13 (as Dyson's lost love) and they thought it would be more dramatic if they dragged it out throughout a full season (their words). And Ryan-Nate would have probably been a 2-3 episode arc, tops.
ReplyDeletethats not so bad, True blood only has 12 episode every summer. I dont think lost girl is show that should be 22 episodes anyways. it was pushing it . You get more seasons out of shorter episode counts, i think
ReplyDeleteNo complaints here.
ReplyDeleteThis leaves a bad feeling in my stomach. I think it's not a good sign for the future of LG. I would like this show to have at least a six season run with 16 to 18 eps a season. To go to 22 then down to 13, no matter how good or bad the back 9 were sounds like a death knell; slashing episodes can't be good.
ReplyDeleteYES!! \o/ I was so hoping for a shorten season not because I don't love LG since I do but season 1 was just so good with everything even the bad episodes while season 2 was a little over the place.
ReplyDeleteA little sad, last season the problem was they didn't know they were getting an extended season. If they'd given them a back 9, and told them from the start, we would have a great longer season.
ReplyDeleteI think that's crazy...the timing of the season is everything, so don't add nine but 13 is too short. Look at the time line of these episodes...speaking for myself, dedication to watching a series for me means continuity...ending in April and waiting until what, mid September.? Too many short seasons is a killer, sure add past episodes inbetween new ones, but if I can't keep track of the season that's it for me...and not because I don't LOVE the show. Same thing with changing days,and times all of that affects them. I hope LG survives past season 3.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, that's how cable works for most shows. In hit shows like Game of Thrones, True Blood or The Walking Dead (6 episodes in season 1), you are dealing with short seasons with sometimes less than 13 episodes and the wait in between seasons sometimes surpasses a year. It is how it works for Showcase as well. Their now #1 hit, Continuum has only 10 episodes. I don't think it's going to hurt Lost Girl at all.
ReplyDeleteUh oh, doesn't sound good IMHO. I like this show.
ReplyDeleteWTF?I don't understand that.Maybe they want to save money...
ReplyDeleteI can't see that 22 episodes did anything to develop the characters, rather it muddied up both Lauren and Dyson. During the last five episodes they got rid of all the complications they'd created by killing off Lauren and Dyson's lovers, sending Ryan and Nate off and getting Dyson's love back, none of this occurred with stellar storytelling, it was just a rush to re-establish the status quo. I don't see much regret for any of those discarded in the cull and that tells a story all of it's own.
ReplyDeleteSeason 3 needs to be more exciting, much tighter storytelling and much more inclusive of our gang of six. That I'll watch. Showcase need to forget about the Syfy standards and get on with a Canadian show, that's what made it successful in the first place. If Syfy want to buy it, they can sanitize it afterwards and the rest of us can watch it as it was originally envisioned.
Amen.
ReplyDeleteI'm k w/ it and glad it's still on next year.
ReplyDeleteIt is bizarre to me to blame an episode count for crappy storylines, bad direction, complete lack of continuity, painfully bad actions scenes, and even more horrific writing. 9, 13, 22...if they can't come up with a compelling story, they can't come up with a compelling story. Are we saying that after 13 episodes the writers/producers can't remember the previous season anymore, their memory cards got full? Dialogue is dialogue it isn't like they only have 10 exciting scenes in them and then the well runs dry, either they can write it or they can't. Fewer episodes just means Showcase doesn't think they can do it either.
ReplyDeleteI don't think we should be using an episode count as a scapegoat for a lack of vision with somehow a guarantee that fewer episodes would bring that vision, consistency, and good characterization back. In the end, all fewer episodes means is less screen time for all characters, and Showcase not relying on Lost Girl to bring in viewers (and maybe a lack of faith in the show entirely). Because no matter that most US cable shows typically have 12-16 episode seasons, LG had was bumped up to 22 like a network show and now they've dropped it down. The drop means they didn't think the benefit outweighed the cost, so either they are hoping for a fuller schedule or they like Continuum's numbers or LG costs too much to sustain the ratings drop or SyFy only wanted a 13-episode season or whatever. How is that good for Lost Girl?
I wouldn't have picked 9, 13, & 22 as the worst of the bunch, I thought they were some of the better episodes 14,15,18 and 19 would have got my vote, I thought Nadia's dispatch was one of the worse crafted death scenes going, having said that Ciara's wasn't much better. All they seemed to do to extend the season was to complicate the love triangle because that is all the creative team think is popular. I'm not surprised some reviewers are starting to use the term 'soap opera' because that's what it turned into. I must admit I'd be a happy camper never to hear about Dyson's bewildering degrees of lost heartedness again so the fact he's got it back can only be a plus. I'm very glad Lauren's ill fated girlfriend's gone too and hopefully that's the last skeleton in Lauren's cupboard to rattle post-coitally another one would make it a running joke. If they've brought in Tamsin to ping pong around the triangle, I think 13 episodes will be quite sufficient.
ReplyDeleteI would put in a personal plea that Andras knocks together a decent arc so whichever side of the triangle is disappointed can have something else to watch rather than just Bo ripping off the clothes of her partner of choice and demon Bo's sexcapades (which will probably include the disappointed lover.) I don't mind the show being sexy, such that it is, but I'd like something more from an arc than a shoal of red herrings that swim into infinity. I want a proper arc, I want to guess at what's happening and be able to base that on the clues so far not something that just botches together a mediocre ending after 22 episodes. I like the Fae world, I want to know more about it, I like the characters, campy humour and fun but it needs more substance. 22 episodes was obviously a task too large therefore I feel they should try and consolidate their strengths before getting ambitious.
Sorry should have been clearer, 9, 13, 22 were episode counts not individual episodes. I LOVED Original Skin!
ReplyDeleteOh, okay, fair enough, I was a bit perplexed. I think there are numerous reasons why the season has been trimmed, some of which you have outlined but there are others. I just think from the show's point of view they need to bunker down, work with what works well and tighten up on the storytelling and characterization. They weren't sure who was going to buy the show in the US last year which might have explained the bumping up of the episode load, I can't see that 13 episodes a season would ever have been a problem for Syfy especially since they were so far behind. If they wanted a longer season it would have been more an issue for Season3 than Season 2.
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