Kripke does not have the same notoriety as JJ Abrams honestly... fair or not. I'm not sure he is even very well known outside of the Supernatural fandom, unlike JJ who has a well-known name in both movies and TV.
JJ is more like the concept guy, who comes up with an idea, stamps his name on it, and walks off. His involvement in Person of Interest and Alcatraz has been extremely minimal to none at all.
Nothing new in the trailer. I heard that there are a few cast changes as well. I'm trying not to get excited, because I don't want this to be the next 'The Event' or 'Flashforward' with a cool idea, but the show completely derails and is cancelled after 1 season.
I am going to give it a try...... just a little worried though. I am getting to the point now where I don't want to get INVOLVED in new series. Like with other shows, you invest, you care about the characters and the Powers That Be go n yank the shows off the air. It's not bad enough that they take the shows away, but they leave you with Cliff Hangers & no resolutions. Of course there are a few that SHOULD be taken off the air, but it never fails, it's always the ones I get hooked on. . . . that being said: I will be watching Revolution, as it seems to be one of the few new shows coming out that I find promising. Looks to be worthwhile, but time will tell- that's IF the P.T.B. decide it's worthy.*Longmire: the only other NEW show I plan on watching (even though it's not a fall show).
I hear you... Every season there is a show or two that I know I will love but think will be cancelled. I try to archive one and wait to see if it's picked up and/or has a satisfying finale.... and I usually watch another one that i do in fact end up liking that gets cancelled.This year I waited on Awake and watched Alcatraz...I think Longmire is safe and I plan to watch it too. The other new show that sounds great to me and I feel is relatively safe is Vegas. Newsroom on HBO too.Outside of that there are a handful of more genre series that I am not completely sold on that I may or may not watch from the beginning like Revolution, Zero Hour, Cult and The Following. I will likely listen to the early reviews of the series and archive the ones that have less positive reviews.....
I will be watching this, but I hope 'The Big Switch-Off' or whatever they call it is explained from the outset and explained well. I like mysteries, but I don't want the main mystery to be 'What caused The Big Swtich-Off'.
I struggle enough as it is to conceive of a situation where all electricity and mechanics suddenly cease to be. Really? Does that mean even rubbing a balloon on my head and sticking it to the wall will stop working? You're really talking about a world who just suddenly stops obeying the law of physics.
I'm sure they have an explanation for this, and it might even be a bloody good explanation, but I hope they give it to us in the Pilot so that I can enjoy the show properly without worrying about this otherwise ridiculous premise of the laws of physics ceasing to respond.
Abrams team so far delivered all top-notch tv shows..
Kripke has..what? Supernatural? Well, given Kripke is not as bad as Tim Kring(heroes), but still his name, the way supernatural went and his incredibly misogynistic writing style does NOT inspire confidence.
Let's hope that Abrams team manages to hold Kripke on a short leash, so he does not end up killing every female character to further his misogynist propaganda and does not run the show into the ground like he did with Supernatural.
HA! SPN does fit that description a bit doesn't it?
The human experience is too complex to only have characters of one gender and tell the whole story. I definitely like women on my series!
That said, I do think some shows almost by necessity need to have more men than women in them just by the fact of the story taking place in a given location or "world" where one sees far more men than women(and the opposite occurs too of course). Some shows toss in a token character to add to the gender diversity and it feels completely forced to me.
Revolution seems like it does not fit my aforementioned pet peeve so I really hope that some of the women not only live but have strong roles in this world without power.
My friend and I's current favorite guess is "somehow" metal became nonconductive. It doesn't explain why we didn't just start using some carbon-based superconductor, but it explains away some of it. I'm really hoping for an early and thorough explanation.
Supernatural has a very dedicated fanbase and is going into its 8th season--that's a far, far cry from Heroes. For those us who are interested in the show because of Kripke, it seems odd not to throw his name on there also. If I only knew of Abrams' involvement, I'd never even give it a shot, so it makes sense to play off of both of them to capture the largest possible interest. It's not like Jon Favreau is going to direct every episode and they threw his name on there too.
And let's face it Abrams is getting a reputation in "mystery" TV and it isn't a good one.
And again with the gender bias conversation within the context of Supernatural. The facts simply do not bear it out at all. Here is a study about female vs male death in SPN:
http://spn-heavymeta.livejournal.com/425753.html
I think the theory that Supernatural is misogynistic because it kills off women is one of those things that have been repeated so many times that people believe it is true when the numbers simply do not bear that out. The simple fact is that Supernatural kills off everyone - male and female. It doesn't kill more females than males. It kills everyone! Do I wish that they would stop using death for dramatic flair? Absolutely! Do I think they are misogynistic because of it? Absolutely not. I'm sorry that you are unhappy with the way Supernatural has gone but facts are facts.
I would hope that it is more like Kripke than Abrams. After all, Kripke's show is still on the air, entering its 8th season no less, and still has a hardcore dedicated fanbase that stands behind that show and him. Abrams has been more miss than hit when it comes to being able to keep a TV show renewed these days.
Actually I think he has more influence on what he has the writers write, than I think is made known. They just all go WAY out of their way to parallel, reference, and easter egg things in all the works quite often. And his works all have a similar stylization to them.
And now Supernatural easter eggs can be seen too..."A Brave New World", Fringe's season 4 finale title (after the novel of the same name, which also in itself references Shakespeare's "the Tempest") has "Stasis Ruins" which are similar to Supernatural's "devil traps" ...the concept of the Novel and it's title is reflected in FRINGE with the up coming Observer occupation...but when you think about it, so is the concept for Revoulution, as 'a brave new world' is a way to state that humanity faces a big change...both the shows will most likely be dealing with war and fighting for rights of passage...
One thing I think it has going for it is the female lead gives off an air of Sydney Bristow (a younger not spy Sydney Bristow) --There is something warm, emotional, but VERY determined about her even in these brief glimpse of the trailer. -And clearly the conspiracy and/or disappearance of the energy centers around her family (and their last name is Mathson...so close to Madson....
When I was reading about this I had wondered "what" could have 'absorbed' the energy...Then .Fringe comes along with "Brave New World" and there's Olivia being used kentically as an energy absorption devise so William Bell can collapse the universes....
I imagine there has to be an absorption devise...I am curious as where the energy went and if it is meant to be used for something else (weapon, space ship, aliens, underground utopia, new reality, ect) --I also am curious about April's USB devise, because I just read an article that the University of Berkeley has created a virus out of nano tech that "creates" energy and can power small tv screens...So I wonder if April just found another way to get energy, or if she is directly related to the one's the absorbed it????
Otherwise if it's just a "switch" it suggests that the fundamental laws of physics and energy are not the way we have learned them to be (so it leans towards something like a universe with virtual reality = electricity)
That shot is also in the first trailer and came out several weeks ago...I actually hear the show may be mostly filmed in Wilmington, NC (one of my best friends from highschool lives there...I may finally have to pay her a vist...)
Please don't drag Supernatural into the two shows are making allusions to common tropes and classic literature so they must be making reference to each other thing. Any post-apocalyptic future tale is going to reference Brave New World, 1984, Animal Farm, or Handmaid's Tale. TV is still in a pastiche-ridden postmodern phase. It doesn't mean that Supernatural has anything to do with Fringe. And I am hoping that Revolution isn't trying to rework something they already covered in either show. That is boring and it will get it canceled and fast. I want something new.
I think in the end Supernatural isn't about one gender's view. It is about two brothers' views. They are inherently male, but they don't represent all males. While I don't personally think that Supernatural has always been successful isolating the boys, in the end the only thing they really have is each other. Like Daphne said, it isn't that women die, everyone dies. So necessarily it is a limited worldview. But lots of shows are isolated to the protagonist and his/her view of the world. Even a show with both a male and female lead, like Bones with Booth's strong presence it comes back to her worldview. It's not at all uncommon on nonensemble shows.
The loyalist in 2036 have tattoos on their faces and seem awfully compliant. --Also Leaonard Nimoy stared in a TV version of BNW...and J.J's Star Trek (which the concept of how to make an alternate time line by "branching off") was referenced in the Road Not Taken....also If you noticed, J.J/ Star Trek is also filmed a certain way with the white interirors of the enterprise having a blured blue hugh to them and the Romulan interrior scenes having Green and AMBER scenes, not only was Letters of Tranist filmed in a similar style and color scheme to ST, but our opening credits for season 4 are also Amber with Green titles. These things are not a coincidence Mr. Abrams is a crazy reference machine and he is already bringing Supernatural ideas into his works...Revolution also starts as a story about TWO BROTHERS
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That completely ignored male to female ratio. one male death does NOT equal one female death because there are far less females int his show(already a bad sign).
Answer me this: How many females have been resurrected? How many Males? :)
And again: how many males turned evil? How many females?
The White Sox are doing well. All my delusional friends that are Cub fans are on the end of a constant barrage of every sports-themed insult I think there's ever been. It's been fun. Something to keep my mind off other things.
Well, it seems interesting but as some already has mentioned, JJ Abrams tend to make ilogical stories, who never gets explained...I also hope that we'll get to know what caused the switch, maybe not in the pilot, but at least in the first episodes, wish more shows were like "The Event", who wasn't focused around some weird mystery, who never got explained and then just more and more questions rise, and noone gets anything and all logic is lost (like Tim Kring and Abrams always tend to do..). In the Event we got answers quite fast, end then new mysteries, so that there were questions, but you knew you allways would get som kind of answer...(except the ending..)
But I am really looking forward to this, and hope it won't get canceled, or just flip out, which most sci-fi-series do...
I recently stared to watch Charmed, and I realized it's the oposite of supernatural, most bad guys in the firsat season was, well guys, and actually most was date-rapers or somethng..and the female vilains are actually the same, so it could actually be seen as a feminist show, but it could also be a show aimed towards those who are similar to the man-characters, just like supernatural might be... :)
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Words are not able to express how excited I'am for this show!! Hurry up September!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat about Eric Kripke huh??
ReplyDeleteI've been skeptical , but the news and promos are winning me over...... Expectations on the rise.
ReplyDeleteKripke does not have the same notoriety as JJ Abrams honestly... fair or not.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure he is even very well known outside of the Supernatural fandom, unlike JJ who has a well-known name in both movies and TV.
I agree. But we all know that the writers are both JJ, and Eric.
ReplyDelete...MMMMM...sounds promising
ReplyDeleteIt bugs THE HELL out of me that they don't mention Kripke...
ReplyDeleteIt has things that I wished falling skies would have namely swords and arrows. will definitely check out
ReplyDeleteLOVE IT!!! (no new footage though....)
ReplyDeleteRealistically Krike will probably be more hands on writing than Abrams too.
ReplyDeleteJJ always seems to have 3 or 5 projects juggling around and one new one he is selling. XD
JJ is more like the concept guy, who comes up with an idea, stamps his name on it, and walks off. His involvement in Person of Interest and Alcatraz has been extremely minimal to none at all.
ReplyDeleteSame here. Still cautious because promos can make you believe almost everything though
ReplyDeleteThe more I see of this trailer the more dubious I become. I think I'd be more excited if it were a miniseries. (i.e. a one season story)
ReplyDeleteNothing new in the trailer. I heard that there are a few cast changes as well. I'm trying not to get excited, because I don't want this to be the next 'The Event' or 'Flashforward' with a cool idea, but the show completely derails and is cancelled after 1 season.
ReplyDeleteThis is the show I am most looking froward to. Please let it complete its first season without getting pulled.
ReplyDeleteDarqueMode:
ReplyDeleteI am going to give it a try...... just a little worried though. I am getting to the point now where I don't want to get INVOLVED in new series. Like with other shows, you invest, you care about the characters and the Powers That Be go n yank the shows off the air. It's not bad enough that they take the shows away, but they leave you with Cliff Hangers & no resolutions. Of course there are a few that SHOULD be taken off the air, but it never fails, it's always the ones I get hooked on. . . . that being said: I will be watching Revolution, as it seems to be one of the few new shows coming out that I find promising. Looks to be worthwhile, but time will tell- that's IF the P.T.B. decide it's worthy.*Longmire: the only other NEW show I plan on watching (even though it's not a fall show).
I hear you...
ReplyDeleteEvery season there is a show or two that I know I will love but think will be cancelled. I try to archive one and wait to see if it's picked up and/or has a satisfying finale.... and I usually watch another one that i do in fact end up liking that gets cancelled.This year I waited on Awake and watched Alcatraz...I think Longmire is safe and I plan to watch it too. The other new show that sounds great to me and I feel is relatively safe is Vegas. Newsroom on HBO too.Outside of that there are a handful of more genre series that I am not completely sold on that I may or may not watch from the beginning like Revolution, Zero Hour, Cult and The Following. I will likely listen to the early reviews of the series and archive the ones that have less positive reviews.....
I will be watching this, but I hope 'The Big Switch-Off' or whatever they call it is explained from the outset and explained well. I like mysteries, but I don't want the main mystery to be 'What caused The Big Swtich-Off'.
ReplyDeleteI struggle enough as it is to conceive of a situation where all electricity and mechanics suddenly cease to be. Really? Does that mean even rubbing a balloon on my head and sticking it to the wall will stop working? You're really talking about a world who just suddenly stops obeying the law of physics.
I'm sure they have an explanation for this, and it might even be a bloody good explanation, but I hope they give it to us in the Pilot so that I can enjoy the show properly without worrying about this otherwise ridiculous premise of the laws of physics ceasing to respond.
Its for the better.
ReplyDeleteAbrams team so far delivered all top-notch tv shows..
Kripke has..what? Supernatural? Well, given Kripke is not as bad as Tim Kring(heroes), but still his name, the way supernatural went and his incredibly misogynistic writing style does NOT inspire confidence.
Let's hope that Abrams team manages to hold Kripke on a short leash, so he does not end up killing every female character to further his misogynist propaganda and does not run the show into the ground like he did with Supernatural.
ReplyDeleteHA!
ReplyDeleteSPN does fit that description a bit doesn't it?
The human experience is too complex to only have characters of one gender and tell the whole story. I definitely like women on my series!
That said, I do think some shows almost by necessity need to have more men than women in them just by the fact of the story taking place in a given location or "world" where one sees far more men than women(and the opposite occurs too of course). Some shows toss in a token character to add to the gender diversity and it feels completely forced to me.
Revolution seems like it does not fit my aforementioned pet peeve so I really hope that some of the women not only live but have strong roles in this world without power.
My friend and I's current favorite guess is "somehow" metal became nonconductive. It doesn't explain why we didn't just start using some carbon-based superconductor, but it explains away some of it. I'm really hoping for an early and thorough explanation.
ReplyDeleteSupernatural has a very dedicated fanbase and is going into its 8th season--that's a far, far cry from Heroes. For those us who are interested in the show because of Kripke, it seems odd not to throw his name on there also. If I only knew of Abrams' involvement, I'd never even give it a shot, so it makes sense to play off of both of them to capture the largest possible interest. It's not like Jon Favreau is going to direct every episode and they threw his name on there too.
ReplyDeleteAnd let's face it Abrams is getting a reputation in "mystery" TV and it isn't a good one.
And again with the gender bias conversation within the context of Supernatural. The facts simply do not bear it out at all. Here is a study about female vs male death in SPN:
ReplyDeletehttp://spn-heavymeta.livejournal.com/425753.html
I think the theory that Supernatural is misogynistic because it kills off women is one of those things that have been repeated so many times that people believe it is true when the numbers simply do not bear that out. The simple fact is that Supernatural kills off everyone - male and female. It doesn't kill more females than males. It kills everyone! Do I wish that they would stop using death for dramatic flair? Absolutely! Do I think they are misogynistic because of it? Absolutely not. I'm sorry that you are unhappy with the way Supernatural has gone but facts are facts.
I would hope that it is more like Kripke than Abrams. After all, Kripke's show is still on the air, entering its 8th season no less, and still has a hardcore dedicated fanbase that stands behind that show and him. Abrams has been more miss than hit when it comes to being able to keep a TV show renewed these days.
ReplyDeleteThat shot of Wrigley Field was taken yesterday.
ReplyDeleteActually I think he has more influence on what he has the writers write, than I think is made known. They just all go WAY out of their way to parallel, reference, and easter egg things in all the works quite often. And his works all have a similar stylization to them.
ReplyDeleteAnd now Supernatural easter eggs can be seen too..."A Brave New World", Fringe's season 4 finale title (after the novel of the same name, which also in itself references Shakespeare's "the Tempest") has "Stasis Ruins" which are similar to Supernatural's "devil traps" ...the concept of the Novel and it's title is reflected in FRINGE with the up coming Observer occupation...but when you think about it, so is the concept for Revoulution, as 'a brave new world' is a way to state that humanity faces a big change...both the shows will most likely be dealing with war and fighting for rights of passage...
One thing I think it has going for it is the female lead gives off an air of Sydney Bristow (a younger not spy Sydney Bristow) --There is something warm, emotional, but VERY determined about her even in these brief glimpse of the trailer. -And clearly the conspiracy and/or disappearance of the energy centers around her family (and their last name is Mathson...so close to Madson....
ReplyDeleteScott are you still on your pain pills? The reason i ask, look at the day this was posted,then tell me how it was taken yesterday,lol..... ;)
ReplyDeleteWhen I was reading about this I had wondered "what" could have 'absorbed' the energy...Then .Fringe comes along with "Brave New World" and there's Olivia being used kentically as an energy absorption devise so William Bell can collapse the universes....
ReplyDeleteI imagine there has to be an absorption devise...I am curious as where the energy went and if it is meant to be used for something else (weapon, space ship, aliens, underground utopia, new reality, ect) --I also am curious about April's USB devise, because I just read an article that the University of Berkeley has created a virus out of nano tech that "creates" energy and can power small tv screens...So I wonder if April just found another way to get energy, or if she is directly related to the one's the absorbed it????
Otherwise if it's just a "switch" it suggests that the fundamental laws of physics and energy are not the way we have learned them to be (so it leans towards something like a universe with virtual reality = electricity)
With most of JJ Abrams work you never get a complete explanation,at least not in the pilot episode.
ReplyDeleteThat shot is also in the first trailer and came out several weeks ago...I actually hear the show may be mostly filmed in Wilmington, NC (one of my best friends from highschool lives there...I may finally have to pay her a vist...)
ReplyDeleteThat's a cool idea!
ReplyDeletePlease don't drag Supernatural into the two shows are making allusions to common tropes and classic literature so they must be making reference to each other thing. Any post-apocalyptic future tale is going to reference Brave New World, 1984, Animal Farm, or Handmaid's Tale. TV is still in a pastiche-ridden postmodern phase. It doesn't mean that Supernatural has anything to do with Fringe. And I am hoping that Revolution isn't trying to rework something they already covered in either show. That is boring and it will get it canceled and fast. I want something new.
ReplyDeleteI think in the end Supernatural isn't about one gender's view. It is about two brothers' views. They are inherently male, but they don't represent all males. While I don't personally think that Supernatural has always been successful isolating the boys, in the end the only thing they really have is each other. Like Daphne said, it isn't that women die, everyone dies. So necessarily it is a limited worldview. But lots of shows are isolated to the protagonist and his/her view of the world. Even a show with both a male and female lead, like Bones with Booth's strong presence it comes back to her worldview. It's not at all uncommon on nonensemble shows.
ReplyDeleteThanks! We spent a lot of time arguing about it. xD
ReplyDeleteThe loyalist in 2036 have tattoos on their faces and seem awfully compliant. --Also Leaonard Nimoy stared in a TV version of BNW...and J.J's Star Trek (which the concept of how to make an alternate time line by "branching off") was referenced in the Road Not Taken....also If you noticed, J.J/ Star Trek is also filmed a certain way with the white interirors of the enterprise having a blured blue hugh to them and the Romulan interrior scenes having Green and AMBER scenes, not only was Letters of Tranist filmed in a similar style and color scheme to ST, but our opening credits for season 4 are also Amber with Green titles. These things are not a coincidence Mr. Abrams is a crazy reference machine and he is already bringing Supernatural ideas into his works...Revolution also starts as a story about TWO BROTHERS
ReplyDeleteDarth,let me know when your around,i finally remembered the name of the video and where you can see it.
ReplyDeleteI'll on for another ten mins
ReplyDeleteHi You!
ReplyDeleteOksy so the name of the video is Ruin and you can find it on Viemo.com you might have to register? I already belong to it and i honestly do not remember how to view it otherwise. The video is from
OddBall Animation. Go check it out its pretty cool! :)
Thanks! (:
ReplyDeleteThat completely ignored male to female ratio. one male death does NOT equal one female death because there are far less females int his show(already a bad sign).
ReplyDeleteAnswer me this: How many females have been resurrected? How many Males? :)
And again: how many males turned evil? How many females?
I'm White Sox fan. Just a shot at the Cub fans since their team sucks worse than usual this year.
ReplyDeleteLOL Aww,i'm sorry for laughing,it really does suck when the team you love aren't doing well..how bad it is for the White Sox?
ReplyDeleteThe White Sox are doing well. All my delusional friends that are Cub fans are on the end of a constant barrage of every sports-themed insult I think there's ever been. It's been fun. Something to keep my mind off other things.
ReplyDeleteYay White Sox. I was at the parade in 2005. I miss Ozzie. Gotta get to a game this year.
ReplyDeleteWell, it seems interesting but as some already has mentioned, JJ Abrams tend to make ilogical stories, who never gets explained...I also hope that we'll get to know what caused the switch, maybe not in the pilot, but at least in the first episodes, wish more shows were like "The Event", who wasn't focused around some weird mystery, who never got explained and then just more and more questions rise, and noone gets anything and all logic is lost (like Tim Kring and Abrams always tend to do..). In the Event we got answers quite fast, end then new mysteries, so that there were questions, but you knew you allways would get som kind of answer...(except the ending..)
ReplyDeleteBut I am really looking forward to this, and hope it won't get canceled, or just flip out, which most sci-fi-series do...
I recently stared to watch Charmed, and I realized it's the oposite of supernatural, most bad guys in the firsat season was, well guys, and actually most was date-rapers or somethng..and the female vilains are actually the same, so it could actually be seen as a feminist show, but it could also be a show aimed towards those who are similar to the man-characters, just like supernatural might be... :)
ReplyDeleteJJ do have Star Trek, and probably a lot of other stuff, so he probably won't do that much, and then he's just producing here..
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