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POLL : What did you think of Lost Girl - Scream a Little Dream?

1 May 2012

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24 comments:

  1. scifisurfer1 May 2012 at 14:46

    I liked this one although I was more interested in what was going on with the new Ash than Bo's insecurities about being alone and the Baku. The Bo/Lauren camp are calling foul on cutting the scene in front of the Ash.  Also some of the language being dubbed over.  Dear me.  Maybe this show should find a new home on a grown up channel.  Mumford was hilarious, everyone needs a Brownie although I'm not sure why he turned into Mrs Doubtfire.

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  2. prpleight1 May 2012 at 23:53

    I liked this one a lot.  The Mare was more interesting when she was feeding than as a whiny shrew of a Mom to be.  I adored that the Baku ate bad dreams by giving you a gentle bear hug. And the Brownie was a hoot.  His temper tantrum was not what I expected.  The yellow (or was it hot pink) bra was completely unexpected.  I want a brownie to keep my place clean.  I'd never give him any trouble about Honey Berry Cereal.

    I do not like the guy playing the new Ash. I  haven't quite figured out if it's simply the fact that the actor and writers have done their jobs really well, or if I just have something against the actor. 

     :-D

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  3. prpleight1 May 2012 at 23:54

    What?  What?  What'd we miss? 

    SyFy is notorious for editing for time - especially to get more commercials in.  So, it doesn't surprise me that they'd edit for adult content.  I'm surprised the Bo/Dyson sex scenes went as far as they did.   But at least I know that if I check out the DVDs I do NOT want the SyFy broadcast version.

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  4. lsbloom2 May 2012 at 13:24

    They didn't edit adult content. They shortened how long Lauren touches Bo's shoulder. IT came when Lauren was trying to get Bo to stand down against Lachlan when he comes in and calls her his property. I've watched the CAN version several times and I didn't even notice the edit. I can understand being annoyed that SyFy is cutting, but calling it homophobic when there was nothing sexual about it and they already showed kissing in the last two months is silly.

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  5. scifisurfer2 May 2012 at 16:33

    I don't think anyone would expect a Dyson devotee to notice a cut in any Bo/Lauren scene and vice versa.  I think the complaint is they took away something that showed Bo's temper at Lauren being treated the way she was and Lauren calming Bo down which signified to the Ash that there was a significant bond between them.  I think if you can take on board the words homophobic and censorship then you can also understand the claim that by cutting elements that contribute to the Bo/Lauren dynamic they, intentionally or not, do not allow the viewer to experience the side of the triangle that has already been severely underplayed.  I don't think this is a difficult concept to grasp.  It you apply the cuts to Kenzi's humour and see how that is diminished, it might be a little easier for you.

    Another point I have seen expressed, that made me think, was that shows can be okay about showing actual  same sex kissing and sex acts but actually not want to portray tenderness and love which they feel is more diversive.  I will keep an open mind and believe Syfy is possibly just concerned for advertising revenue as I take the point Season One did not seem to suffer the same cuts. 

    Undoubtedly, a lot of fans were upset, I can see why.  This show is a big deal for the gay community in that is has the lead of the show in a relationship with someone of the same sex which equals the usual heterocouple.  It's not a sidelined pairing or gay for a week for ratings episode.  So if you diminish elements of that relationship you are chipping away at the triangle and making it very uneven.  Some people, very publicly, want it uneven and for them, I can see why they can brush aside others concern with ease.     

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  6. lsbloom2 May 2012 at 17:37

    See this is why I don't like the team thing. The not noticing has nothing to do with being a "Dyson devotee." Seriously. The intent of the scene wasn't changed. She still touched her shoulder. Bo was still upset. Lachlan was still a jerk. The argument that viewers need to drill down to five seconds of a shoulder touch to "see" the relationship between Bo/Lauren is more concerning to me. They should have been able to develop a relationship built on more than that. And frankly, I think they did.

    SyFy has shown lots of f/f friendship and intimacy on LG, so the cutting a bit of one scene isn't killing anything and isn't indicative of a war or censorship on same sex relationships. The fan overprotectiveness of every second of Zoie Palmer screen time is difficult for me to understand when we instantly take it to such a hyperbolic level. I think we need to ratchet down a bit, until they actually cut something.

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  7. Mandav2 May 2012 at 19:37

    Geez, I know I'd be a little annoyed if they cut one millisecond of  Bo's fantasy watching Dyson in the shower :p I guess that is how the Lauren fans feel. Sort of bummed that I have to wait for S2 DVD to see full ep versions (maybe not if there are some extended bits as well?). 

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  8. lsbloom2 May 2012 at 19:51

    I'm sad they cut a funny Kenzi line. But...I'm not up in arms calling for boycotts on Twitter and saying the US and SyFy is homophobic. I'm guessing there are lots of extended scenes and funny lines on the cutting room floor. Showcase needs a 44 minute show, US needs a 42 minute show.

    FYI, according to Craig Engler on Twitter: 
    Craig Engler ‏ @SyfyThe producers (not Syfy) make all changes prior to delivery to us. They do this for both time & content reasons do to differing standards.

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  9. Mandav2 May 2012 at 20:01

    Oh, okay I see what you mean about the drama mama. It is twitter though and sort of expect to see some kind of disapproval or haterish comments there :P 

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  10. prpleight2 May 2012 at 20:15

    They aired their sex scene as well  so I agree, the homophobic accusation is a bit much.  I think their primary interest is commercial time.

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  11. prpleight2 May 2012 at 20:30

    If this were the first time SyFy edited shows to make space for commercials I could probably to take the situation as a commentary on the content.  (And I do understand that fans will take it personally.  I had a very strong reaction when I noticed the edits with Buffy.  They were some of my favorite lines.)

    But there a couple of things to consider.

    1)  This is SOP for SyFy.  It's been done with several shows and not always in ways that affect the content of the scene.

    2) As someone, who has NOT seen the Canadian broadcasts, it did NOT affect the *intent* of the scene as you describe it (or rather the concerns that you mention).  I *got* what the writers were going for. I got Bo's reaction to the fact that Ash had that much control over Lauren.  Bo's anger, not only at the Ash considering Lauren a slave, but at Lauren's acceptance to her position as slave and property. If the edit had disrupted the intent of the scene...and, for me, it did not, then I would be more inclined to believe that this was an edit motivated by something other than revenue.

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  12. scifisurfer2 May 2012 at 21:14

    Well since that is a much repeated scene in Bo/Lauren fandom, I can assure you they place greater weight on it than you do and if the shower scene had been trimmed or missed out,  there would be a wailing and gnashing of teeth upstream. If they'd dubbed in Kenzi saying, 'Oh, you had a dream, Dyson tore you're heart out, poor you, sweetie,' it wouldn't change the plot but I can bet my bottom dollar it would not go without a similar reaction.  All is in the eye of the beholder. 
     
    Standards is the operative word here, if you want something done to a product and you're getting it at the point of production you ask for changes.   It's noticable that from Syfy US buying in, the show has changed rating, the dubbing of language has occurred and cuts to the original programme have happened. Syfy even say they showed the first season uncut because they bought a finished product. 
     
    Time will tell if there is a bias, I'd like to think there wasn't.  I think the hullabaloo will let Syfy US and Showcase know, that many fans are unhappy.  Since Syfy is laying it off on Showcase, I think it shows the protest has been noted.  

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  13. Manu2 May 2012 at 21:25

    Differing standards. They're still Syfy's content standards, therefore Syfy is to blame for demanding those cuts.  Showcase wouldn't willingly censor their own show; the US is the only country (where Lost Girl is broadcast) where episodes are being edited for language/content. 

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  14. crazyforsushi2 May 2012 at 21:35

    Oh, so they are pointing fingers now? "Differing standards". What a bunch of hypocrites.

    Personally, the show shouldn't be edited to fit anyone's standards, period. It's bad enough that the show, the original show got tamer once "sold" to Syfy.  

    I don't want to see Kenzi's witty lines being censored. I don't want to see stupid voice overs. I don't want them to censor intimate moments - be them gay or straight. What a disappointment.

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  15. crazyforsushi2 May 2012 at 21:50

    The sex scene aired in season 1 - the entire season aired uncut. It remains to be seen whether they are going to censor their next one. I certainly hope they don't, but I guess we won't know for sure until we see it for ourselves. Until then, I don't think it's necessarily fair to accuse them of homophobia, but I digress. We'll see.

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  16. lsbloom2 May 2012 at 22:25

    Standards means standards and practices. Standards is a combination of NBCUniversal and ratings boards and FCC. I don't know what all goes into deciding what you can and can't say on TV, but I know enough that it isn't some exec at SyFy sitting around going, "hum women being friends on television? No, let's not show that." 

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  17. crazyforsushi2 May 2012 at 22:45

    Your frustrations are clearly your own. When you start your "argument" by announcing that you are going to annoy people, you are either going to annoy people or to be left ignored by your completely biased and ignorant post. Surely  no one would expect you to understand why the cut meant something (newsflash: it isn't for the reasons you implied above). When you fail to understand why the Bo/Lauren storyline matters in the first place - or why anyone would pick Lauren over Dyson at all. 

    Perhaps when you learn to respect other people's opinions and discuss the show respectfully with other fans, "fighting and arguing" and/or "overreactions like this" wouldn't happen so very often.

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  18. Mandav2 May 2012 at 23:13

    So the light fae and baby fae got played by the dark. Maybe Bo will get wiser in S3? My frustration is that I have to wait through the summer to see S3. Oh, well I guess I could surf instead...

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  19. A. Msog2 May 2012 at 23:22

    I am sorry, but you did not get the scene. It is obvious from reading your point 2), I do not know if you would have gotten the tenderness and depth of feeling that was conveyed by Lauren's moving her hand in a caress down Bo's arm if you had seen it, though, you seem to have a mostly superficial / obvious grasp on what goes on. 

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  20. scifisurfer2 May 2012 at 23:31

    I think the whole point of Bo's journey is growth.  This one is not so much about the Fae of the week as Bo's fear of rejection and losing the ones she cares about. The dream sequences show her beginning to come to terms with the severed relationship with Dyson.  It also introduces the Ash and his deliberately provocative relationship with Bo and the beginning of her increased support of Lauren and Lauren's difficulty with slavery and its implications.
     
    The Dark Fae and Mumphert were window dressing for the above.  It did end a bit limply but I think we were to understand the Dark Fae pregnancy ending and the Dark Fae being identified in Light Fae territory meant the level of disturbance was finished with.
     
    The fear of being alone is an ongoing theme for Bo, despite her self help books.  She wants love in her life and her two chosen candidates to return that love, unfortunately come along with a bucketful of problems. 

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  21. prpleight2 May 2012 at 23:52

    I was responding to specific elements of the scene as outlined by scisurfer.  Therefore your rather insulting declaration that I am superficial and incapable of grasping the subtitles of a loving relationship seem out of the scope of the discussion and come across as a personal attack.

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  22. prpleight3 May 2012 at 03:11

    The nightmare where Bo met her older self was a really nice moment that underlined that fear of being alone.  But I wanted it to go on just a moment longer.  I wanted her to respond to it.  I wanted to know if she was going to believe it and surrender or fight it before she was  rescued.

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  23. scifichick163 May 2012 at 04:59

    May I ask, what are the reasons you believe the cut meant so much? I honestly would like to know.  I didn't see how the loss of couple seconds changed the interpretation of the dynamics of Bo and Lauren's relationship, but I'm willing to hear out why it could be seen that way. Oh, and for your info, while I am a Bo/Dyson shipper, I do like Lauren (or rather, I like the potential I see in her character that I feel the writer's haven't touched). So this isn't meant as a sarcastic question even though I do agree with some of Isbloom's points.

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  24. Mandav3 May 2012 at 05:05

    The show already has every warning before it begins :P It's a great independent show and hopefully it isn't pressured to be toned down.

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