Mastodon Mastodon Mastodon Mastodon Mastodon POLL : What did you think of Fringe - Brave New World, Part 2 of 2?
Sign Up


    Enable Dark Mode!

  • What's HOT
  • Premiere Calendar
  • Ratings News
  • Movies
  • YouTube Channel
  • Submit Scoop
  • Contact Us
  • Search
  • Privacy Policy
Get In Touch
 Join SpoilerTV
Support SpoilerTV
SpoilerTV.com is now available ad-free to for all premium subscribers. Thank you for considering becoming a SpoilerTV premium member!

SpoilerTV - TV Spoilers

POLL : What did you think of Fringe - Brave New World, Part 2 of 2?

12 May 2012

Share on Reddit

-
Sign Up for the SpoilerTV Newsletter where we talk all things TV!

224 comments:

  1. Krista Crim12 May 2012 at 02:59

    I wonder if Olivia is alive in the future.

    ReplyDelete
  2. Dor Fiderer12 May 2012 at 03:02

    WOW!!!

    ReplyDelete
  3. Roxy12 May 2012 at 03:04

    Polivia baby :')

    ReplyDelete
  4. Afino12 May 2012 at 03:05

    Okay, the ending was a bit of a letdown, because that's two things we already knew. Olivia is pregnant with Etta, and the Observers (except September) are going to take over. I kept waiting for something to happen...and it didn't. As far as season finales go, it didn't really have that gravitas that past seasons had.

    That's not to detract from my overall enjoyment of the episode though. But I'll have to rate it just "Great".

    ReplyDelete
  5. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 03:05

    - If any one single human on the planet deserves to be on FRINGE I think it is Rebecca Mader! Blue eyes, red hair..... she is just perfect for FRINGE! XD

    - Wait.. what? 
    Did September step on some kind of a cosmic rune trap door?
    (I hope Peter took a picture of the rune since it may come in handy in about 24 years)

    - Olivia breaks out the ninja skills again this time going Matrix on Jessisa Holt! Should we start calling her NeOlivia? XD

    - Whoa!!! Rebecca Mader has mad eye skillz! Creeptastic!

    - 

    Well I knew Walter would kill Olivia to stop Bell so that was no surprise. Just how it went down was unexpected. With them showing us the lemoncake last week I'm sure she will heal now... Indeed.

    I love Nina coming to work at Fringe! The more Nina the better!


    The finale raises a couple big questions.....
    1a) If the man that shot Olivia inher dream was Man X... and Walter shot Olivia is he Man X? 

    1b) If not, will someone shoot Olivia in the time between 2012 and 2016?

    2) Why was Olivia missing in 2036 if not being shot by Man X?

    3) Would Etta carry around the bullet that saved the world as a rememberance of her mother who died later?

    Overall this was just a good episode for me honestly.
    It felt cheap to have Olivia die and come back over the course of a commercial break. Plus it felt anti-climactic to me to have Bell just disappear like that. I really did not want a season finale with Olivia being pregnant the last information given either.... So cliche.

    I love the fact the the Glyph code was P-U-R-G-E and September warned Walter "They are coming."

    ReplyDelete
  6. Koreyirishkelly12 May 2012 at 03:07

    Well, if the future we saw is true, then we know Belly comes back, harms or kills Olivia, we know the "they are coming" means all the observers, and walter is going put them all in amber.

    ReplyDelete
  7. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 03:07

    I am betting Olivia will die to complications in child birth giving birth to Etta.

    We have already seen that the Dunham women have birthing issues in the Red universe and I'm sure Peter being from Red will not help the issue....

    ReplyDelete
  8. Lee Bullis12 May 2012 at 03:09

    September and Walter, what a team!

    ReplyDelete
  9. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 03:09

    Now after the finale I'm not sure he will kill her at a later date..... 
    I think the terrible thing Bell did to Olivia was his attempt to use her as a power cell to destroy two universes so he could play god.

    ReplyDelete
  10. Afino12 May 2012 at 03:09

    I'm so glad Broyles finally "got his" though! General Broyles! He was kind of underappreciated most of this season and this definitely makes up for it.

    ReplyDelete
  11. Jackie Beran12 May 2012 at 03:09

    Do I sense a trend? Two season finales in a row where Walter shoots Olivia in the head. What a episode!!! I can't wait for next season.

    ReplyDelete
  12. Jay Gibbs12 May 2012 at 03:11

    Not gonna lie... that kinda sucked. The cliffhanger, both of them, were given away in Letters of Transit.

    ReplyDelete
  13. Afino12 May 2012 at 03:16

    I'm really glad both you and DM above have agreed with me on this. To me it feels like we were insulted as fans. Like we didn't watch the episode 3 weeks ago? That's all they're going to give us to end the season - a couple of things that we already know?

    ReplyDelete
  14. Koreyirishkelly12 May 2012 at 03:16

    Either that or he comes back during the Observer takeover and hands her over to the Observers for being a Loyalist. Which eventually killed her.

    ReplyDelete
  15. rks10012 May 2012 at 03:17

    Great Episode. 

    Excellent episode.After watching the finale,. I'll just say this. The season definitely did start out average and they did have a lot of episodes they didnt really need . However, I do commend the writers for letting a story play out and rushing a storyline at the expense of long-term direction. Of course, over the last 5-6 episodes have been awesome and definitely picked up the pace as i definitely loved the myth arc episodes as its my favourite part of the show. What i like about the show is that they close up a season's arc/storyline very well as they leave certain questions unanswered to lead into next season. I'm curious too see how they might set up the events that happened in " Letters of Transit " because after watching this episode it may seem like they would have a time issue setting things up. But then again, this is Fringe, anything can happen in any time frame lol.

    ReplyDelete
  16. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 03:19

    Agreed.

    I'm really disappointed that the arrival of the Observers had little or nothing to do with the events of the season or the outcome of stopping Bell.

    I suppose we could say that by saving the universes Team Fringe set events in motion for the Observers to invade, but that feels like a big stretch to me personally.

    ReplyDelete
  17. Afino12 May 2012 at 03:20

    1a) If the man that shot Olivia in her dream was Man X... and Walter shot Olivia is he Man X?

    - that's still unclear, I think. Sure, Olivia was dead. But I think that it'll take some sort of cortexiphan-neutralizing super weapon to truly "kill" her. Bell has advanced weaponry. It still can be him.



    1b) If not, will someone shoot Olivia in the time between 2012 and 2016?

    - I still think it's Bell (see above)



    2) Why was Olivia missing in 2036 if not being shot by Man X?

    - Your guess good as mine :)



    3) Would Etta carry around the bullet that saved the world as a rememberance of her mother who died later?

    - I think so. That's a nice little touch and a great way to remember a mother. I like what they did with that potential storyline.

    ReplyDelete
  18. Totallyaddicted00512 May 2012 at 03:21

    1a) She never said that man x shoots her she said he kills her.. So no! My theory: Man x is cortexiphan and eventually it will kill her. (but not for 4 years, b/c Etta said she last saw her mother when she was 4. My bets are on Liv dying in the series fanale. Sad but probs gonna happen. And I'm sure it will be a sacrificial death or the cortexi will just be too much eventually and kill her)
    1b) She will die around 2015 (the observer purge) or 2016 ish around then. (see etta's convo about last seeing her mother)

    2) She was missing in 2036, bc she dies in 2015 or 2016.
    3) the bullet is where my cortexi theory gets mangled and my her sacrificing herself for peter/etta, water/astrid etc. comes more into place. That is where then the bullet fits. 

    I loved the p/o scenes they were fantastic. So sweet and lovely, astrid was adorable!! She is like their little sister and I LOVE it!

    Great episode.

    ReplyDelete
  19. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 03:22

    True.
    He could still come back to do harm easily enough.

    With Nimoy being semi-retired from acting again, I have my doubts that Fringe will plan on bringing him back for anything at this point. I think he came back for a possible SERIES finale and now the Bell chapter of Fringe has concluded. 

    With only 13 episodes left I'm not sure we have time for a Bell distraction and the Observer takeover and still have enough time to play that plot out to its end.

    ReplyDelete
  20. Totallyaddicted00512 May 2012 at 03:23

    maybe in 5 he will do it again or someone will and peter will try to get them to pull it out but it will be impossible. Or... if she is normal now like walter said she maybe that will be the heartbraking part. 

    ReplyDelete
  21. Afino12 May 2012 at 03:26

    Here's the problem with Olivia being "normal" again.

    They made it clear in LoT that Etta had....powers that allowed her to block the Observers  from reading her mind. Where does she get that power then if not Cortexiphan?

    ReplyDelete
  22. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 03:27

    I like the idea of man X being Cotexiphan... Interesting.

    I'm not sure I'm 100% there just yet since the "X" appears in other places that have no connection to Cotexiphan as far as we know.

    I'm not sure the bullet shoots a hole in your theory at all honestly. (pardon the pun)

    Olivia could still die from Cotexiphan around the assumed date of 2016. Etta could wear the bullet we saw her clutching as a token of her mother since that bullet "killed" her in 2012.

    If my mom was shot dead by a bullet and still lived to give birth to me four years later I may hold onto that bullet too! XD

    ReplyDelete
  23. SAMURAI_ex_ninja12 May 2012 at 03:31

    The ending WAS a little bit dissappointing, what with everyone knowing that Olivia was pregnant and that the Observers are coming, but to be honest, I don't mind.

    Think about how many loose ends they still need to tie up, any mildly shocking cliffhanger would take at least half a season to solve, and with 13 episodes, they don't really have enough time to introduce any new problems, so I'm okay with this.

    I'm currently watching Lost (halfway through season 5) and from what I've read about the series finale, and what I've seen so far, I'm already nervous as to the ending, since new problems are constantly arising, and almost none of them (at least the ones I see as important) being solved, so since it seems that Fringe has slowed down on introducing new problems, the producers clearly intend on explaining everything, at least I hope... :)

    The episode overall was pretty good, definitely not particularly groundbreaking, but the one thing that completely caught me off guard was Jessica(?) being on Bells side. And ASTRID IS OKAY!!! I think I would have died along with her if she died, that last moment between her and Walter was sweet. The one thing that is on my mind is, how do they get to the future? Are they going to have a few episodes lead up to 2015, then do a time jump?

    Can't wait 'til next season, and so far I'm pretty confident that at least most of the important questions will be answered. :)

    ReplyDelete
  24. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 03:31

    Could the fetus/ baby absorb the Cotexiphan within the womb as it grows? Much like alcohol gets into the baby if the mother drinks high levels of alcohol during pregnancy to cause Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.

    Maybe Etta has Fetal Cotexiphan Syndrome? XD

    ReplyDelete
  25. Afino12 May 2012 at 03:34

    I think that's the biggest question - how are they going to reconcile 2012 (now) with 2015/2016 (Fringe team ambered) with 2036. I thought that process was going to start tonight. Maybe that's why I'm disappointed.

    ReplyDelete
  26. grapes9h512 May 2012 at 03:41

    agreed the end was a bit anticlimactic, but thankfully we have a whole nother season

    ReplyDelete
  27. Madani Bah12 May 2012 at 03:41

    The episode was great guys! It's just 419 that spoiled the hell outta us otherwise, it would have been the greatest season finale ever. But seriously, did anyone expected to be surprise after everything that we have found out in Letters of Transit?

    ReplyDelete
  28. grapes9h512 May 2012 at 03:43

    yeah same feeling I had , i wanted them to go back to the future at the end for soemthing HUGE to tease next season, like the ends of seasons 1,2, and 3

    ReplyDelete
  29. Totallyaddicted00512 May 2012 at 03:48

    Gotta say I'm with you there. So maybe she does still have them. Or she doesn't and Etta does? ok, idk if that would really work but hey... its an idea.

    ReplyDelete
  30. Totallyaddicted00512 May 2012 at 03:49

    thats great, I wrote mine before i read yours but we are on the same track. Maybe?? Who knows Cant wait for season 5

    ReplyDelete
  31. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 03:55

    One thing I am VERY happy about is that this was not a series finale!
    That would have been terrible!!!!!!

    Plus we can look forward to them working toward 2036 future of Fringe which to me was the best thing about Fringe this entire season. This finale does not make me excited for Season 5 at all.... but 4x19 makes me uber-excited for Season 5!!!

    I look forward to less Red Universe, less CoTW episodes and more of the Observers!

    ReplyDelete
  32. Ricky Terry12 May 2012 at 04:03

    My guess: Next season will open with Etta being 3-4 years old in 2015-2016. 

    ReplyDelete
  33. cortexifan12 May 2012 at 04:03

    DUDE! Where is the epic option in the poll? How many times do I have to ask for it.
    Oh my freaking bumperchute! $%*)(*(*&^$$#$&)&(*&&%^

    ReplyDelete
  34. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 04:06

    If so, too bad they cannot get a 6 or 7-year old Dakota Fanning to play 4-year old Etta!
    Fanning was incredible in Taken around that age!

    ReplyDelete
  35. RobertAriadne12 May 2012 at 04:07

    Well, that was really something. It was somewhat anti-climactic, especially in comparison to The Day We Died. Letters Of Transit sort of put a damper on things, since we knew Olivia was pregnant with a daughter (our dear Mr. Bishop just CANNOT keep it in his pants, can he?).

    My theories were WAY off the mark on this one. Definitely didn't expect Jessica to turn out evil AND shoot September, or Walter to shoot Olivia. I thought there would be a devastating revelation about the Peterless universe; no dice. I was expecting SOMETHING to happen in the last ten minutes (Olivia's shooting was a big shock, though), but nothing. I can't help but feel cheated.

    Obviously Bell would escape (but WTF was that thing he did with the bell?), since his hair and clothing were a lot different in 2036. Do we open in 2036 and alternate between then and now, or is next season about the march to war? Meh.

    It seems like Bad Robot productions always involve a freight in their fourth season finales (There's No Place Like Home was way better, tbh). And the whole " we have to warn them, they are coming" was a rip-off of Locke's attempt to reunite the Oceanic Six and The Incident (respectively). The more I think about it, the better Lost gets and the worse Fringe gets. Now I want to go back and watch it again. That was the big problem with tonight's episode: There was no Locke-in-the-coffin moment.

    I'll have more after I think things through.

    ReplyDelete
  36. spileggi12 May 2012 at 04:08

    I loved it. I understand the point about it being a bit anticlimactic, yes it was obvious she was going to be pregnant, yes we knew the Observers were coming. But give the writers a friggin' break.


    They didn't know when they were writing this episode if they were for sure going to get a season 5, so yes, things needed to be wrapped up and no MAJOR cliffhanger could be put in place. Honestly, while I am thrilled we get 13 more episodes next year, if this had been the series finale and they cut it at the end when they were all happy at the hospital I would have been satisfied. 
    Anyhow, I loved it. And I am kind of glad I don't have to deal with stress all summer like when I was worrying about how Olivia would escape from Walternate or when I was trying to figure out what the hell happened to Peter!

    ReplyDelete
  37. cortexifan12 May 2012 at 04:13

    Forever Reveling IN Genius Entertainment

    ReplyDelete
  38. Mutsie12 May 2012 at 04:18

    Wuuuwww... {Not a wow but yeah a wuww}. It's like well Invasion of the Bodysnatchers but slightly different... "They're coming???'... Let me guess
    A] Observers
    B] The Observers
    C] The Observy's
    Well I hope Season 5 would be "a nothing as it seems" kind-a Season...

    The End
    ♥

     

    ReplyDelete
  39. michel murillo12 May 2012 at 04:26

    OMG Olivia and Peter's faces at the end! So much love and happiness

    but olive is the best!!

    thanks for the pic ♥♥

    ReplyDelete
  40. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 04:52

    Bell's use of Cortexiphan to slow his cancer seems to have had other side effects. It appears like he is able to cross over between universes by hitting the bell . Maybe it's a frequency thing related to each universes native frequency?

    ReplyDelete
  41. Aylass9412 May 2012 at 05:01

     I think the point of Letter of Transit was that if this was the SERIES finale, we know what's gonna happen with the information from this ep (olivia pregnant = etta, observer take over...) so that we'll know how the story would continue, but still have a sense of closure.
    But they made it a bit cliffhangery, in case the show got renewed (which luckily it did) so they can in fact tell the story. That's how I see it anyway.
    I'm not disappointed, for me it worked as a series finale, as a season finale it wasn't like last year, but I can understand why they made it this way.
    I'm sure next year we'll have almost none filler episodes and a finale that will leave us satisfied. I trust them with that.

    ReplyDelete
  42. Stupot81512 May 2012 at 05:11

    Had it not been for the last 30 seconds of this episode, coupled with the entirity of "Letters of Transit", this would have been a pretty suitable (if slightly boring) ending to the series.  I would have taken that.

    The only thing is season 5 is going to be a bit tacked on. Even if it's awesome as a season for it's own merits (and I'm sure it will be), I just can't really see how it's going to relate to anything that has come before it, because we've pretty much wrapped up the past now, and S5 is all about this battle with the Observers.  I just hope we haven't been a bit too greedy in begging for a 5th season.

    ReplyDelete
  43. Koreyirishkelly12 May 2012 at 05:12

    I agree, but I believe next season will start where Letters of Transit left off. Then somewhere towards mid seasons to the end we will get a flashback episode to where September told Walter their coming.

    ReplyDelete
  44. Mutsie12 May 2012 at 05:12

     Still ... I keep in my mind that in won't be for long though, which is good because I'm soo not a PO shipper .... Still yeah of course I do accept it, that they made PO a couple...

    ^^
    *HUG*
    ♥

    ReplyDelete
  45. Abhishek Bilkan Aind12 May 2012 at 05:20

    The story will divulge. There will be different variables. The future of 4x19 will change by a slighter degree I believe. <- This idea from what the observer said when he was shot.

    Earlier he came to Olivia with gun-shot wound and said she has to die, with implication of seeing it firsthand. Today the variables were off a bit as Olivia was the one who told about the event.

    No observer was there when she was shot.

    I like this subtle variation hypothesis. But we may never know. Fringe has always surprised me. 

    And people please give the writers a break. Obviously they wrote this before the renewal news. So it was obvious that some kind of closed end would come(happy end) for one of story-line (Peter-Olivia relationship). By showing last scene they just teased another Mytharc!

    ReplyDelete
  46. Jeffjo12 May 2012 at 05:44

    To be fair, i think they planned this finale thinking they wouldn't get renewed. Big cliffhanger + cancellation would have been way worse

    ReplyDelete
  47. Linlighthouse12 May 2012 at 06:21

    Thoughts:

    1. That fetus has been through a lot.
    2. Nina really came into her own tonight. Yay, Nina.
    3. Why didn't Rebecca use those eye tricks when Charlotte was lying on the ground with a nosebleed?
    4. "Excuse me, is that lemon jello?"
    "No. It's urine."
    "In that case, I don't want it."

    After all the traumatic events, Walter is still Walter :).

    ReplyDelete
  48. Save Fringe!12 May 2012 at 06:35

    But if you think about it, now IS the perfect time to invade.

    Fringe Division is getting a bigger budget, so the sooner the future species takes over the better, Olivia is pregnant and her Cortexiphan levels are low, and Massive Dynamic has been shut down.

    Also, unlike the future in "The Day We Died", our universe is no longer degenerating because Peter made the right decision, so this the best time to take over us.

    ReplyDelete
  49. zeusfluff12 May 2012 at 06:37

    I think my P/O shipper heart died and went to heaven at the end.... Wow... What and episode... I'm so gonna re-watch again in the morning... I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that we get good numbers... 

    ReplyDelete
  50. Totallyaddicted00512 May 2012 at 06:41

    good point

    ReplyDelete
  51. Yakz Yey Yerkiet Yokazz12 May 2012 at 06:53

    I actually think that the actual season finales was 4x19. This felt more as a setup for the upcoming season. I agree on the last 5 minutes being anticlimatic, but the whole episode had me at the edge of my seat. One thing I really disliked, though, was the scene at the Capitol, I thought it was unnecessary and it came off as cliché.

    ReplyDelete
  52. Ricky Terry12 May 2012 at 06:58

    Have you seen I am Sam? She was awesome in that at the age of 4 or 5, and to top it off you get to see Sean Penn play Mentally Retarded. 

    ReplyDelete
  53. Yakz Yey Yerkiet Yokazz12 May 2012 at 06:59

    I believe that this was their intention all along. Somehow I don't believe that we have all the answers to S1-4 mysteries. We still don't know when the machine was built. Maybe they built it during the observer occupation. Does the Beacon come from the future? Why is Peter so important to September? How was the future any different before September's intervention in 1985? Will we ever see the other side? 

    ReplyDelete
  54. WolfTvAddict12 May 2012 at 07:03

     Well Walter said that she was mostly normal but admitted to Peter when they were talking that the Cortexiphan could have made some changes in Olivia at the genetic level. I figured that Etta's powers stemmed from that and that's why they had Walter include that in his statement about being normal.

    But who knows maybe Olivia will purposefully start taking Cortexiphan at some point in the future for some reason (maybe even in the hope that it will give Etta a fighting chance against the observers). We'll just have to wait and see.

    ReplyDelete
  55. Yakz Yey Yerkiet Yokazz12 May 2012 at 07:06

    I believe that this is not quite what it seems. I believe that there's some deeper meaning to Fringe that we do not know yet... and that's what S5 is about. Because even if we know that there is an observer occupation, we do not know how this plays out. Crazy theory: What if September's intervention in 1985 is stopped by a future version of himself in this amber timeline? Maybe as a way to ensure some bigger agenda, maybe bigger than the Observer occupation. I believe nothing is as it seems and despite this seeming disappointing right now, who knows? Maybe the big cliffhanger is that this, somehow, was all planned by September in the end.

    ReplyDelete
  56. Yakz Yey Yerkiet Yokazz12 May 2012 at 07:07

    Maybe that explains the Beacon's Arrival in S4!

    ReplyDelete
  57. Mutsie12 May 2012 at 07:30

    Okay... I watched it for the second time and .... well.. Not only Liv is pregnant but I soo have the feeling that Anna Torv herself is pregnant. Call me bonkers but I did compare some screens and when I saw the scene when they gonna interrogate J .... I jumped from my chair... and screamed ... I soo know how a pregnant woman looks like... honest ...
    ♥

    ReplyDelete
  58. Merve Kurnaz12 May 2012 at 07:34

    no olivia can't die birthing couse etta says that I saw my parent when I was 4. Observer maybe want to say that death. He couldn't speak very well he had been shoted and the other observers following him. Maybe he want to say that Olivia don't be afraid you have to die and you can be allive again.

    ReplyDelete
  59. Shaun McCarthy12 May 2012 at 07:35

    Shame he wasnt thirsty, drinking a sample has walter written all over it lol

    ReplyDelete
  60. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 07:38

    Ack!

    Of course she cannot die giving birth! You're right!
    Sometimes as I try to theorize little things escape me I guess. XD

    ReplyDelete
  61. Nick Scryer12 May 2012 at 07:48

    Great great episode but ep19 was still better IMO.

    ReplyDelete
  62. LockeUp12 May 2012 at 08:47

     I disagree. Why does every season have to end in a huge cliffhanger? I thought it was a perfect setup for season 5.

    ReplyDelete
  63. LockeUp12 May 2012 at 08:50

     Agreed except I don't like the X being Cortexiphan...

    ReplyDelete
  64. LockeUp12 May 2012 at 08:52

     I actually think it would have been kind of a cool series finale, keeping in mind 4x19.

    ReplyDelete
  65. LockeUp12 May 2012 at 08:56

     I don't see it as that big of a stretch. Just because we've seen it already doesn't mean that the coincidence of (unfortunate) events wasn't meaningful.

    ReplyDelete
  66. DMitter12 May 2012 at 09:07

    Err...
    Now we know who killed Olivia, but:
    1) Walter doesn't look like Mr. X at all
    2) Olive said that she doesn't know who Mr. X is. And even if it IS image of young Walter - she must've known how Walter looks like pretty well from her young years.

    ReplyDelete
  67. Jonathan Jansson12 May 2012 at 09:11

    But Mr. X is September??? Cause when September was shoot and was with Walter lab trying to help him the screen where it shows is pulse said Mr. X and the other one Peter.
    I might not remember correctly, but they referred September has Mr. X or something with X

    ReplyDelete
  68. Jonathan Jansson12 May 2012 at 09:20

     This was from Season 4 Episode 14 The End of All Things

    ReplyDelete
  69. ma12 May 2012 at 09:33

    WOW, just WOW

    ReplyDelete
  70. Lou12 May 2012 at 09:41

    Whilst I enjoyed the episode it didn't feel as strong as previously Fringe finales. It did however have some wonderful character moments, Peter holding Astrid's hand and then the hospital scene at the end with all four of them.  

    Jessica freaked me out, Rebecca was definitely channelling her inner Charlotte there.

    Things I want in S5

    x To see the Alt Verse again please!
    x For William Bell to be killed, that bastard
    x Happy endings for everyone else
    x September to save the day
    x Can we maybe briefly see Simon again please?
    x Of course we have to see Etta!

    ReplyDelete
  71. MabutzD12 May 2012 at 09:49

    It`s feels not like a Season Finale!!!!!!
     

    ReplyDelete
  72. MabutzD12 May 2012 at 09:54

    Stupid END!!!!

    ReplyDelete
  73. Krista McInturff12 May 2012 at 10:10

    it seems like they were prepared to end it all. and i wouldnt have been devastated if that was the ending. but how exciting that it isnt, and how frightening that it might not end happy next year. oh well for now i am happy. it was a great ep and an amazing season.  hooray!

    ReplyDelete
  74. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 10:12

    It would not have been "terrible" maybe, but I still would not have loved it.
    I had a lot of issues with the episode. 

    - The stasis rune trap that locked September in place was odd to me. Less technology or science based and more paranormal and something that felt out of place on FRINGE. It reminded me too much of the type of blood magick used on Supernautral.

    - Peter falling from the sky, landing on his dislocated arm/shoulder and getting up with little more than a dust off.

    - Olivia dying and coming back so fast. Even if this was foreshadowed with the lemoncakes in the last episode.

    The Jessica Holt scene just did not make a lot of sense to me either. Holt threatened if Olivia did not drop her gun they would never learn where Walter was. Olivia dropped the gun, then a couple minutes later she flung bullets into Holt. When one has the power to catch bullets or XBox remote control people why would Olivia kill Holt and not just wound her or take the gun away? 

    Why was Jessica Holt tasked to take out September anyway? To what gain? Olivia did not need to be angry or upset to be used as Bell's power cell. She was already activated. It does not makes much sense to me to put the one person who is integral to your plan (Olivia) in the same place with a future seeing supportive figure who is known to have feelings for her. I would isolate the most important part in my plan and not connect her with a powerful semi-omniscient ally.

    To me it felt hastily thrown together. It seemed like they added elements that could be used as a series finale at the expense of it being a solid season finale. Because of that a lot of it felt forced to me and rushed. It also felt far too "And they lived happily ever after" to me. Do I understand why they did it? Yes. Does that make me like it more or excuse the flaws? No.

    For me it was one of the bottom tier episodes for the season if not the series for me.

    ReplyDelete
  75. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 10:26

    Both were incredible!
    I am a huge fan of hers, but sadly now that she quit being awkward she started doing more mainstream movies that really don;t show off her acting chops.I hope she returns to more independent serious acting films. More Hounddog and I am Sam..... less Push, The Runaways or Twilight Saga.

    ReplyDelete
  76. Mutsie12 May 2012 at 10:43

    ^this ... Especially it's not a scene they've used as a cliffhanger but Words....
    ♥

    ReplyDelete
  77. Athinaxy12 May 2012 at 10:50

    The trumpet at the end didn't make it for me. It was just like waiting for something to happen with a break.

    ReplyDelete
  78. Penny Laine12 May 2012 at 12:06

    Agreed. The episode wasn't at the level of previous season finales. Didn't have that WTF-just-happened moment for me. Was a great episode, granted, but the weakest season finale so far, IMO. And yes, both last scenes were predictable. But I'm very excited about the path the show is taking. I loved the future shown in Letters of Transit, the idea of the Observers taking over, so we should be up for an amazing last season!!

    ReplyDelete
  79. Penny Laine12 May 2012 at 12:08

    Me neither. I was hoping for an epic clash of the titans!! XD

    ReplyDelete
  80. Penny Laine12 May 2012 at 12:20

    How amazing is September??? He's become a pivotal character in the show and he keeps getting better!

    ReplyDelete
  81. phnxgrl12 May 2012 at 12:24

    Mindblowing good romp! So onward to season 5! Next season has to be the observers take over the planet. 

    ReplyDelete
  82. Penny Laine12 May 2012 at 12:29

    Yep, 4x19 has me very excited about season 5 too!! I really want to know how they got there, what role Bell played in that (why was he in the lab with the team when they were ambered), why were they in amber, why is Broyles leading the division under their commands and where's Olivia!! Letters of Transit was more like the cliffhanger of the season to me!

    ReplyDelete
  83. Penny Laine12 May 2012 at 12:33

    Great points!! ;)

    When Olivia died I thought she wouldn't be pregnant bc had she been pregnant the fetus would have surely died... But I guess I underestimated Dunham girls!! Etta is a survivor!! ;)

    ReplyDelete
  84. Lemonworld12 May 2012 at 12:34

    Well, it's a nice and tidy resolution of the Bell chapter of the show indeed. I don't think we really need another prolonged Bell-story in S5.

    The one thing I feel kind of cheated about: the relationship between Walter and William. The way their reunion in this finale went, it made me realize that all the awesome things like in the S2 finale never happened, right?  This whole timeline reset still confuses the heck out of me.

    ReplyDelete
  85. Afino12 May 2012 at 12:34

    I think the Locke-in-the-coffin moment was Bell in amber in 2036.

    ReplyDelete
  86. RobertAriadne12 May 2012 at 12:50

    I am Sam wasn't that great, I thought. Sean Penn is usually a good actor, but (to use that wonderful line from Tropic Thunder) he went full retard.

    ReplyDelete
  87. RobertAriadne12 May 2012 at 12:57

    From one Lost fan to another, here's some valuable advice: If you want a satisfying ending, just stop after season 5. Season 5 has the perfect ending to the series. If, however, you DO watch season 6, just know that it is a LOT less mythology-focused than 5.

    ReplyDelete
  88. overandback12 May 2012 at 13:18

    I don't believe it's the same bullet. If my memory's correct the one Etta wore is bent. It looked like it hit a solid object like steel.

    ReplyDelete
  89. edivad Fringenews12 May 2012 at 13:23

    Go on fringe4news ...Season 5 - Jeff Pinkner and J.H. Wyman Interview http://wp.me/2dC20

    ReplyDelete
  90. overandback12 May 2012 at 13:30

     A great finale not quite as good as last years, but that would be very hard to beat. When September told Walter "They're coming." I kept getting the feeling he didn't mean the Observers, it was too obvious. But with only 13 episodes left he probably did. It's gong to be a long wait to find out for sure.

    ReplyDelete
  91. dunmif12 May 2012 at 13:32

    Poor Olivia....2 season finales in a row she's been shot in the head by a Walter  XD

    ReplyDelete
  92. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 13:36

    I was wrong.

    Brave New World Pt2.

    Although it seems Robert A. and I were both way off the mark here, I still think some of our ideas could still resurface at the end of season 5.

    I personally felt that the story was anti-climatic, because so many things have been introduced over the past 4 or 5 episodes, with little to no explanations and because like in season 1 and 3 those things are again left unresolved, as William Bell escapes and all versions of the shapeshifters are left out in the wind.

    But moving away from the strangeness of that, there are some interesting pieces of technology and time travel issues to discuss.

    First there is September. I always felt it should have been possible to have seen August again, if in August past he visited in anywhere in someone else's future....September tells Olivia he has no memory of warning her, because he had yet to time travel 'back' to tell her. The problem with this lies in making a time line more constant, because other wise I would think that time traveling anywhere with in the construct of time, would give the possibility to create an alteration to it from that point on. So the question then becomes is September in a loop, or will it not matter and he may even erase his own future actions by having knowledge that some other version of himself had already done this? How can they keep up with their own projectories? Did September create a different immediate future by warning her and telling Peter things?

    This whole thing takes me back to the beginning of the season where Walter had been discussing  "the effects before the cause" and the season continued to have characters who could see the future ahead of time...in "And Those We Left Behind", Peter had thought maybe he was the cause of this, which is also when I believed Peter had gone to a past iteration of his time line and this backwards effects were because of his time displacement.....

    This leads me to Jessica Holt and the Observer laser lock symbol. September had mentioned that he was surprised that Jessica and presumably William Bell had 'this kind of ADVANCED technology. This ties back to the beacon (The Arrival) and then also when Peter used the beacon to unlocke this universe so September could get in. I had often suspected a Temporal Cold War, people and technology from one end of the time line, bringing it back in time that leads to magor alterations...Perhaps it's that idea that causes the two Purges...And the Observers may have tried to save us, but ultimately come to abuse us?
    It's curious, as September seems to know that they are already coming, but is that the same version of himself we just saw? -or the after the lock-out version?

    The past few episodes have had other things...the machine performing a completely new function, Olivia becoming a super hero, Cortexifan subjects manipulation their counterparts, half cloned shapeshifters, animal shapeshifters, home made dinosaurs, using Olivia to absorb enough energy to collapse universes, a man who seduces women and steals their energy, and then all the nods to networks, bleed through's, echoes, and time and space displacement...somewhat go unresolved as Bell teleports himself away. What will he do next? Is he in a war with the Observers?

    I am assuming all of this crazy stuff is meant to have it's full meaning in season 5.

    ReplyDelete
  93. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 13:44

    Even though we both have to go on with our thoughts being mute, don't forget them. It doesn't mean we are not right about some of our idea, just that we are not right, right now.

    I agree that it was anti-climatic and I am not saying that simply because I was wrong, but more over the season itself a lot of times was a shout out of ideas that in a lot of ways didn't solidify and didn't get fully resolved. I would have accepted in introduction to 2015 in any time line way better then this this ending, because it just feels so far away from LOT...but I also knew that after watching LOT, I would have a hard time finishing out season 4's storyline, which IMO doesn't feel like it's over in any capacity. It ended like any mid-season episode would.--But on possitve note there are some interesting technology and time and space things to think about.

    ReplyDelete
  94. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 13:45

    I was kind of laughing because she takes on being Fringe Division leader, but in the future she is a super jerk to Etta!

    ReplyDelete
  95. laura334112 May 2012 at 13:54

    Before i say anything about last night can someone please tell me,How in the hell did Rebecca do that to her eyes? That totally freaked me out last night!

    ReplyDelete
  96. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 13:59

    Not exactly. Bell escapes...and then we know he ends up in Amber with Walter, Peter, and Astrid...so whatever Bell was had started, it's seems we are not completely done with him...and Jessica Holt knew and had a great deal of knowledge about Observers and advanced (most likely futuristic) tech.

    ReplyDelete
  97. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 14:03

    I don't know, but I thought she did a great job. She is just so good at being direct and aggressive, and loopy on her character's death beds!

    ReplyDelete
  98. Michelle Lee12 May 2012 at 14:07

     I thought this was a stronger finale than season 3. Other than the very end with Peter disappearing I didn't love the future ep in S3.  I thought this finale was much more intense and enjoyable and with great character moments between Olivia, Peter, Walter and Astrid

    ReplyDelete
  99. Michelle Lee12 May 2012 at 14:10

     Bell was Mr. X. Joel Wyman confirmed on twitter. And the bullet Etta wears is that bullet that Walter pulled from Olivia.  Wyman confimed that Peter kept it.
    Also in that future episode Etta expected to find Olivia alive (remember her asking for her but she was interrupted before we got an answer) so why are we assuming that Olivia is dead or that Etta thought she was.

    ReplyDelete
  100. Michelle Lee12 May 2012 at 14:18

    Fringe ----------------> Lost

    ReplyDelete
  101. nellymendezcolon12 May 2012 at 14:26

    TA,TA,here comes the future baby girl,thats shows in that out of the box episode and that rebecca lab poltergueist,exorcist,darth vader scene uyyyyyy,yaaak,kinki,a twillite zone mind outbreak has to be computer created was so freaky spooky.

    ReplyDelete
  102. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 14:30

    I still say Fringe (being aware) is a juxtapositon to Lost (not being aware). They dance around the similar ideas, but explore different aspects of those things.

    ReplyDelete
  103. laura334112 May 2012 at 14:33

     Good morning!  I'm in the middle of reading your comment and eating a bagel.Wasn't she fabulous last night! She was the highlight of the show,she really blew me away. I know how good she is but i wonder if that is another reason why they had her on,wow those eyes bugging out of her head,ha i just couldn't believe it! Between that and her behavior i thought i was watching Sybil,chaatnging in and out of personality's,kudos goes to her,she nailed it last night,great job.! I got a late start here this morning so back to your thoughts and everybody else! See ya in a few!

    ReplyDelete
  104. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 14:34

    Well Mr. X IMO is a variable that changes every time line (in another time line's 2026 it was Walternate), so IMO the bigger question is, if she has now avoided/cheated the Mr. X delema with her abilities, or will Mr. X continue to be a constant (possibly still changing) variable she has yet to go up against? I'm personally worried about Widmark.

    ReplyDelete
  105. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 14:36

    There have been "x"'s all over including Bell's nanites! It seems like Bell was Mr. X because he was planning on not leaving any human survivors behind in his new world...but the question is, is Mr. X completely averted, or is there still something constant about it that will come back and haunt Olivia yet again????

    ReplyDelete
  106. Chiara Bocci12 May 2012 at 14:39

    It was an amazing finale! Surely they did it without a big cliffhanger because of the possible cancellation, but to be honest I enjoyed more this way!!

    ReplyDelete
  107. laura334112 May 2012 at 15:00

     Ha! Yes she was freaky and creepy!

    ReplyDelete
  108. overandback12 May 2012 at 15:01

    I wish I could  re-watch the episode but at the moment I can't. But I'm fairly certain that bullet was bent. The bullet that struck Olivia last night wasn't. I'll re-watch the other episode as soon as I can and if neither is bent then it's my mistake. If they are different,I have no idea what it means.

    ReplyDelete
  109. overandback12 May 2012 at 15:01

    I wish I could  re-watch the episode but at the moment I can't. But I'm fairly certain that bullet was bent. The bullet that struck Olivia last night wasn't. I'll re-watch the other episode as soon as I can and if neither is bent then it's my mistake. If they are different,I have no idea what it means.

    ReplyDelete
  110. Adam D. Harris12 May 2012 at 15:07

    Meh... glad its ending as S4 as a whole has too many gaping and unnecessary holes in it. 

    Overall, the weakest season mainly due to a complete loss of so many great characters (original timeline characters, Sam Weiss, Charlie) but also it use forgot to tie up anything which the first 5/6 episode set up with Peter disappearing. We've gone a full season without Walter knowing and remembering all the amazing and exceptional things in his life, and I don't like it.

    With LOST I was happy to go the more vague and mystical flash-sideways as it felt more like a show about faith, mystery and searching for meaning, but Fringe was always about facts, science and explaining the unexplainable. 

    Never expected to be so disappointed with Fringe. Think it went the only way I couldn't like... 

    ReplyDelete
  111. wildTVaddict12 May 2012 at 15:12

    Wow! Every one of your points was something I was thinking about too. I rarely read such a long post, but yours is so in sync with my thoughts, I was very intrigued. I love Fringe partly for the fact that those of us of like minds really can find someone who shares our views, or at least see equally intelligent views, which may/may not be in agreement, but nonetheless intriguing.

    Only point I'd like to add right now, is that Etta was gestating during that high-cortexiphan period, plus, was in Olivia while Olive died and came back to life. So that alone warrants "superbaby" for me. But that really boggles my mind honestly. Etta should be equally as 'gifted' and 'special' as Olivia. Also, Etta technically has DNA from people of 2 universes. Etta now, like her parents, is one of a kind. Etta's multiverse-DNA should come into play at one point in Season 5 imo. Don't you think? ;)

    ReplyDelete
  112. wildTVaddict12 May 2012 at 15:17

    Etta was gestating during that high-cortexiphan period, plus, was in
    Olivia while Olive died and came back to life. So, Etta
    should be equally as 'gifted' and 'special' as Olivia. Also, Etta
    technically has DNA from people of 2 universes. Etta now, like her
    parents, is one of a kind. Etta's multiverse-DNA should come into play
    at one point in Season 5 imo. Don't you think? ;)

    You fellow Fringe fans are really very deep thinkers! I love that this show has attracted such intelligent minds!

    Final note: Awesome episode! Fringe left me satisfied with this season finale. I got
    a wrap-up of sorts. But, the last remaining big question to be
    answered, regarding the Observers, is hinted at for Season 5 too.
    Looking forward to that!

    ReplyDelete
  113. laura334112 May 2012 at 15:21

     Love this,thanks!

    ReplyDelete
  114. laura334112 May 2012 at 15:23

     Absolutely!

    ReplyDelete
  115. lilah_lilah12 May 2012 at 15:52

    Wasn't that just an act so that people wouldn't suspect that they were trying to fight back the Observers?

    ReplyDelete
  116. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 16:01

    Thanks for the info!!

    I assumed Bell was Mr. X and TotallyAddicted's parsing of the words was the difference. Olivia never said he shot me, just that he killed her and in essence by using her as a power cell he did get Olivia killed.

    The bullet just had to be the same bullet. Too much was made about removing it and the close of Etta holding it thinking of her mom... Had to be! 

    It's nice to have confirmation on the 2 things I have been thinking for weeks or more!

    ReplyDelete
  117. laura334112 May 2012 at 16:13

     Honestly i don't think you are wrong,it just didn't all happen in one episode,and i didn't think it would that's why i asked you that question yesterday...Don't beat yourself up your right more often than not,and i think this will happen in S5,and deep down you know it too!  :)

    ReplyDelete
  118. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 16:14

    I screencapped the bullets from both episode for you to compare. They look like the same (or very similar) to me.

    Both has a rather large dent in the same spot and the same distortion.

    ReplyDelete
  119. Afino12 May 2012 at 16:26

    I just had a thought - Bell wanted the Cortexiphan kids to eventually become "soldiers" (like in Part 1) in the war of the worlds.

    What if Olivia/Peter make the decision that the only way to save humanity from the Observers is for Olivia to Cortexiphan herself up again and pass it onto Etta? They wouldn't give Etta Cortexiphan directly, getting around the "experimenting on children" moral wrong that Bell/Walter did on Olivia and the others.

    ReplyDelete
  120. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 16:28

    With regards to September, the only way I can figure it is that because the Observers (at least the ones that visit Earth as the advance team) see and experience time in a nonlinear fashion perhaps they can also act in a nonlinear fashion. That is to say that September can warn Walter "They are coming" before September was actually shot in this episode, but Walter who experiences linear time will get the warning AFTER September has been shot.

    I do not pretend to understand the basics of time travel or the science behind it so I have no idea of the conundrums this would cause honestly.

    Regarding Observers as a whole....
    I personally think they have always been out to figure out the best way to co-opt our planet. They sent an advance team to study pivotal points in history as a way to learn about humanity. 

    Along the way a couple of them began to admire and/or love the focus of their studies. August felt compelled to save his personal object of affection and September feels compelled to go far beyond that and save not just the ones he cares about but their entire species. 

    Maybe he feels conflicted about the invasion on the larger scale or maybe he just has experienced love for the first time and is acting "irrationally" to protect those he loves.

    I actually did not like the stasis runes much at all, but it could play out better in future episodes as we learn more about Bell's connection with the Observers.

    ReplyDelete
  121. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 16:34

    One theory...

    If Bell is the ancestor of the Observers, their genetic starting point for the better human he built, then it would be possible that Walter stealing Bell's hand from the amber in 2036 had something to do with creating a weapon against the Observers that worked on the genetic level.... a DNA targeted weapon of mass destruction not entirely dissimilar to the kill candles targeted to kill only Jews in 2x14 The Bishop Revival.

    ReplyDelete
  122. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 16:38

    Hmm.. interesting....
    I think that still feels too close to the experimentation to me. I can see the loophole, but it feels thin.....I think it more likely it will just be Olivia altered on the genetic level infusing Cortexiphan abilities into her child. Maybe something to do with Etta's father being from a different universe too?

    ReplyDelete
  123. mr.OTHER12 May 2012 at 17:00

    Yup. Why did September tell Olivia that she has to die? Because Olivia told September about their conversation before it happened to September. Sounds like Locke, Richard and "Follow my Leader" episode. Then it was exciting and shocking. Now... nothing new. :(

    ReplyDelete
  124. Ijustgottagopee12 May 2012 at 17:03

    Insulted?? I don't think so...Doc Sara Tancredi's head in a box...That was an insult to the fans!! I think the writers respect us, in fact they're trying at least to give us answers, and that's not to forget. I must say my best one was season 2 finale, both part 1 and 2 and then the cliffhanger...That was huge and beautiful and sooo engaging and apocalyptic too! I mean that was the climax of the series to me!! But this, if not surprising, is solid, coherent, sober ( sober science fiction it's an odd combination I love, kind of the extraordinary in the ordinary) and a good start for a good futuristic dystopic tale.

    ReplyDelete
  125. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 17:03

    That's exactly what I am saying, but more bigger-pictured...more over we don't know what is constant for them, what events in their histories happen first at any given point to what "becomes" our reality...any being should be able to cause an effect on any other at any point in time (observer effect)....to know something ahead of time and have it be "true" requires loops and/or multiple alternate periods of time (multiple realities) in order to be able to continuously work towards a apecific outcome. There has to be a type of platform of consistancy, or nothing means anything. So may debate is about which way that is. And ultimately asking has September changed their future. Was something else on the horzen before he warned them...does it matter that he went back later (to him) and warned them?

    ReplyDelete
  126. mr.OTHER12 May 2012 at 17:05

    I voted awesome, despite the fact that it was not very shocking or exciting. Cliffhangers "spoiled" in Letters of Transit (if I recommend the series to ANYONE, I will say not to watch this episode before Brave new World!), strange disappearance of Bell, "cheap" ending. But I remember that there was huge posibility of Fringe being cancelled. Then, I admire the creators that they were able to write an episode which is a good season finale, but it could be series finale too. Everything is clear, there are no big anwers left and it does make sense. Very mature show. Very mature creators. No unexpected cancellation like Flashforward or V.

    ReplyDelete
  127. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 17:07

    Can I reference and credit you with for this idea? --I am going to be creating a Temporal Cold War: William Bell, First People, and Observers thread, because I am with you. I believe he created them in their original time line...and I too have been thinking about Mosley and Hoffman...

    ReplyDelete
  128. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 17:15

    Credit me or take credit yourself! XD

    I don't really care honestly. I theorize and comment because I find it fun to do... not to get credit for it.

    I am a bit miffed at myself for not seeing Olivia as Bell's power source! I knew Walter would shoot her to stop Bell, but I got the reason wrong. Oh well, I guess I was something like 3 for 5 in my finale theory attempts....

    ReplyDelete
  129. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 17:24

    I meant to tell you, good morning too! -But now it's afte noon! So, "Good afternoon!"

    ReplyDelete
  130. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 17:28

    Yes!!!!!! and Follow the leader proves to be a kind of time fold, because there had to already be a 2007 for Locke to jump to (a previous existing 2007), and then it repeats, which allows for 3 versions of Locke to exist at the exact same time (Locke alive, Locke dead, and smoke monster projecting the essence of Locke)

    ReplyDelete
  131. laura334112 May 2012 at 17:28

     Ha!  ;)

    ReplyDelete
  132. overandback12 May 2012 at 17:32

    Thanks. Right or wrong it's best to know

    ReplyDelete
  133. laura334112 May 2012 at 17:40

     Wow i was thinking the same thing!

    ReplyDelete
  134. laura334112 May 2012 at 17:42

     It funny but you posted everything i was going to say,everything i felt...nice recap,thanks!

    ReplyDelete
  135. Kirea12 May 2012 at 17:43

    I do not understand why people think that the future in "Letters of transit" will come to happen. The whole series has been about alternate realities; how a person can change the lives of those surrounding them. They might have shown us what could happen if the observers win... so maybe S13 is the battle to avoid letters of transit to happen. 

    I can't wait for the next season to arrive; and I will keep hoping for a new alternative future without observers ruling it :)

    ReplyDelete
  136. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 17:43

    Ok I thought about William Bell and what you said again and our belief that was once their creator...Do they still emotionally bond with any given [blue bell] that exists in any version of the time line? --Because if their is something to that, then how this William Bell feels may trigger something in them. We might argue that he originally seeks in creating them, but if he would have been successful in creating a new reality, then there's a good chance Observers may not come to be...So did they turn on humanity because they felt like they had to turn on a copy of their creator?  -And is that the original protocol?

    ReplyDelete
  137. Tajana Iva ت Pejaković12 May 2012 at 17:48

    okay, just a thought...
    maybe Bell is the mr. X guy because his actions made Walter shoot Olivia. Walter would not have done otherwise, so maybe it WAS Bell's fault that Olivia nearly died. Walter pulled the trigger, but only because of Bell's choices. So, Bell did kill Olivia, but in some less direct way.

    ReplyDelete
  138. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 18:30

    I seriously have no real exact grasp of Bell's connection to the Observers but there is obviously one seeing as he had this stasis rune
    future tech. 

    If he is the origin of the Observers okay, but I still cannot see how he got the future tech unless the Observers supplied him the blueprints or technology.

    Well I suppose what September thought was "far advanced" and from the future could in fact be something that Bell created presently and it just never got out to the market until some time in the future. Massive Dynamic (Bell/Walter/ Nina) have used advanced technology a number of times so why couldn't Bell have designed that tech himself....

    If that is the case it adds yet another reason I think Bell and the Observers are connected - through technology.

    ReplyDelete
  139. Grzegorz Miku?a12 May 2012 at 19:26

     2) I don't recall that anyone told that Olivia is dead. She just isn't there and all we know is that Bell did something. For example he could have imprisoned Olivia in other universe :)

    ReplyDelete
  140. Alder12 May 2012 at 19:38

    I'm pretty sure the pregnancy issue in the red universe was exclusive to that universe, the disease or whatever it was doesn't exist over here. (Though I may be mistaken).

    ReplyDelete
  141. DonnaSueK12 May 2012 at 19:59

    I too think that Olivia might be there in the amber with them.  
    They "know" what's happening- so the team goes into the amber.  We didn't actually see who all was in the amber- for all we know Olivia is in there too.  

    Crazy Belly rang his bell n disappeared - he could have come back at the same time as they are going into the amber.  It was clear that Walter didn't want Belly's help (in 2036)- chopping his hand.  Walter Knew who Etta was & Etta was VERY intent on getting them all out.  

    We may NEED Olivia to get rid of the Observers.  She may be the only way to do it... thus her dying in the final moments of S5.  
    September is their ally.  He could even be doing all this because he knows the purge is coming.  Could September have been looking to save her (all this time), because he knew they would eventually need her to get rid of the Observers in the end?  

    I know I'm speculating.  But these are things I've thought about.
      
    All I know is: 

    I love this show.
    Am thankful for an extra season.

    Am torn with mixed emotions;
          S5 can't come quick enough 
          I don't want S5 to end!  

    ReplyDelete
  142. phnxgrl12 May 2012 at 20:05

    Both Peter, Walter and Olivia were threats to the Observers. They knew they had to be ambered to survive when they will be most needed.

    ReplyDelete
  143. Alder12 May 2012 at 20:08

    But what about episodes like Across the Sea and Ab Aeterno? Some huge mythology-related questions answered in both of those episodes.

    ReplyDelete
  144. HW9012 May 2012 at 20:29

    I think it's understandable though, there was a fairly high risk of Fringe being cancelled and this episode was executed perfectly in that respect as it would work as a series finale.

    ReplyDelete
  145. Wilson Crawford12 May 2012 at 20:47

    Ok, here are my thoughts: (Voted "Great") 
    -We now know what "Belly did to Olivia"
    -The Observers storyline is right on the way
    -Somehow Bell will be there when Walter ambers everyone
    -The lemon cake "regeneration" pretty much told me immediately that Olivia would die and come back and that's what happened (That was still terrible to watch)
    -It was clear that this was supposed to be the endgame and it was set up to be a possible series finale
    -They sort've kept the wandering and wondrous themes of the series at bay to progress the story (I can forgive them for that, but it really cut out some of the effect of what I wanted from a Fringe finale) 
    -Henrietta was confirmed in the final moments of the episode. I feel like there was a lot of sappy happy at the end, possibly a way to make the series end on a positive note, even if it once again put emotional sappy stuff in front of the good deep stuff we want from Fringe. 

    -I wonder what we can expect from season 5 for the overall arc. Are we starting in 2012? Or will we pick up where Henrietta is young, something will happen to Olivia, and everyone else will be ambered? 

    Or will we pick up where we left off in Letters of Transit? 

    -Also, since when do paralyzing runes work on people in this show? Did Sam and Dean teach Peter how to scratch away those things? Totally out of left field that they would include that device on Fringe. I don't think it really should apply to a person. Since it's Fringe it would be a tech device, unlike on Supernatural where it's a binding force on a spiritual force like a demonic entity. It doesn't really seem like it fits at alllll lol

    ReplyDelete
  146. Wilson Crawford12 May 2012 at 20:51

    You pretty much have the same opinion I do. I forgive them for these cliche's however because I know they sort've had to deal with a series/season finale and wanted to bend everything to 4x19. Still, I think some of the tropes they used were too overdone...I would hope they'd have something better than "I'm preggers" and "they comin'!" 

    :|

    ReplyDelete
  147. Wilson Crawford12 May 2012 at 20:54

    Much like the nanites, it's possible that the physical manifestation of a molecule of Cortexiphan could be an X shape or something.

    (Just me thinking about that possibility)

    ReplyDelete
  148. Wilson Crawford12 May 2012 at 20:58

    Yeah, just seeing Olivia doing all that stuff and her daughter being able to not be read by an observer, I theorized that there would be some sort of permanent alteration (mutations?) that would sort've instill some sort of "ability" in Etta. And cortexiphan may not be necessary to "activate" her. 

    Of course, just what I hypothesize.

    ReplyDelete
  149. Wilson Crawford12 May 2012 at 21:01

    I doubt that in any universe Olivia would purposely put her daughter through the exact same thing she went through. All the way through having to be slain to stop the entire brunt of 2 universes being pulled together in a a cataclysmic collapse. I just don't see her doing that on purpose. She was nothing but used her entire life, and I doubt that even with her special abilities she's a fan of any of it. 

    ReplyDelete
  150. Wilson Crawford12 May 2012 at 21:06

    I think they tied it in, in a very subtle (and not very effective) way... Bell knew how to utilize an Observer's rune, and also how to make a gun that shot projectiles faster than an observer's ability to react. So there's something there since Bell got away with his special...bell. There's a little too much science magic going on, but I still got that out of the story.


    Also, the issue of seeing the results before the actual finale did dampen a lot of the story's effects. I think they could've tried to tie it in like it did but put less emphasis on blunt shock value and more dialogue on the themes since we knew more or less how it was already going to play out in the end. 

    ReplyDelete
  151. Wilson Crawford12 May 2012 at 21:10

    I appreciated that scene a little more than anything that followed really. I just love Nina being awesome, and Broyles getting what he deserved.

    ReplyDelete
  152. Catriona O' Neill12 May 2012 at 21:12

    If this had been the final Fringe episode ever, I'd have been ok with how it ended!!! However....Roll on season 5...

    ReplyDelete
  153. Wilson Crawford12 May 2012 at 21:12

    You're seriously reading my mind. I just said a lot of the same things in my little post about this episode. Especially the blood magic from SPN O_O

    ReplyDelete
  154. Wilson Crawford12 May 2012 at 21:15

    I'm not sure exactly what that bell does but it seems to me in any universe he's got himself in the fragile but useful position of being able to "split at the slightest provocation"...

    ReplyDelete
  155. Wilson Crawford12 May 2012 at 21:21

    While obviously it's not unlike them to employ similar tactics in their shows, I really dislike people trying to make everything Lost vs Fringe. They're not the same show, even if they do like to build the show up in a similar fashion. There doesn't have to be a "Locke-in-the-coffin" moment. This is ****ing Fringe. We have the "suddenly-world-trade-center" moments, and monumental LSD trips. Whole episodes story-of-the-week that are standalone and only used for context in later extended versions of experiments in a more diabolical fashion. 

    "The big problem with tonight's episode: There was no Locke-in-the-coffin moment."

    Reading that just makes me cringe. I suppose you want the (non-existent) 6th finale to have Peter jump in a cave and have a "plug-in-the-light" moment now?

    Not to come off as venomous, but that just grates my nerves a bit.

    ReplyDelete
  156. Fernando Arce12 May 2012 at 21:29

    I think it's the after lock-out version because he had no gunshot. Before being locked out he was hurted, and almost dies. But after the lock out he's okay.

    ReplyDelete
  157. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 21:48

    I disagree a little...I think they have the same subject matter, it's just told from a different perspective. Lost ends up being about people who save the future (their time line) and themselves (next iteration) by default, despite they weren't aware of the bigger picture. Fringe is opposite it's about people who are immediately trying to save themselves and their 'current' futures in every time line and they are constantly being enlightened to the bigger picture.

    Additionally I do think it was strange for a finale of a show like this to not end on an epic WTF note, especially since they nicely gave us Letters of Transit seemingly early. But after reading W and P's after finale interviews I can accept the idea of them not knowing if they would continue and wanted to give the characters a moment of peace, but also to describe it as "the calm before the storm"...

    ReplyDelete
  158. DarthLocke412 May 2012 at 21:50

    Perhaps, but we had yet to see them great each other warmly. 

    ReplyDelete
  159. Shaakira Abdul Samad12 May 2012 at 22:23

    Awesome and who's coming???

    ReplyDelete
  160. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 22:32

    It was simply unavoidable not to compare the stasis platform to Supernatural since it had runes. Instead of blood it was written in nanites? Ohhhh. XD

    ReplyDelete
  161. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 22:39

    Maybe Bell himself is the tie in, but it feels very week to me. 

    I would have liked more about how Bell was using Olivia as a power source, and other myth arc related "meat" instead of the sappy stuff they gave us.

    For me personally, emotional elements only work if the story is strong enough to support them. If the story is weak or forced then the emotional elements come off as forced and contrived.

    I think the pregnancy was less contrived than say Nina getting a job at Fringe or Broyles becoming a General... but most of the episode felt forced to me... emotions included.

    ReplyDelete
  162. DarqueMode12 May 2012 at 22:43

    I took it as bell ringing at the proper frequency was used by Bell via his Cortexiphan abilities to open a door between the two universes in a similar (and far more elegant way) to what the techno tuning forks achieved when they crossed over in Season 2 (?).

    ReplyDelete
  163. arun27912 May 2012 at 22:49

    Great episode. I can see how, cutting out the last scene, this could have been a series finale if need be. (Like Supernatural Season 5 finale)
    I am certain that it's the Observers that are "coming". They saw what Bell did as a sign that
    they can't know anything for certain anymore and that to secure the
    planet's future, they have to take over and run things themselves. What
    Bell did could not be anticipated somehow (hope we get some info on that
    in the next season) and they want to make sure that never happens. And
    this leads us several years in the future where the Fringe guys have
    ambered themselves and they are released by Peter's daughter and Desmond
    (:P)
    Hope half the season is these guys getting to the point where they Amber themselves. I am guessing Olivia will somehow not be part of the primary amber site, but I am hoping she is ambered too. Or better even, the 5th season goes in 2 timelines a la LOST. The Observers tyranny timeline with it's own opening credits and them the regular timeline with the Amber opening. In the finale, we can give the climax to both where the regular timeline guys amber themselves and in the Observer timeline, they kill the observers and start rebuilding the country.

    ReplyDelete
  164. Afino12 May 2012 at 23:00

    Okay, I'm starting to warm up to the ending. A little.

    I totally forgot about "well, this could have been a series finale too". It doesn't make everything better, but it helps to put things into perspective. If there was another cliffhanger and a cancellation, I might have been more upset.

    ReplyDelete
  165. arun27912 May 2012 at 23:15

    I think Brave New World Parts 1 and 2 is a fine example of how to make a great finale. I guess the difference between this and certain other shows is that these guys actually KNOW the answers, they don't pretend to know them. And that goes a long way in giving out hints throughout the series and managing what answers are expected. The reason for that is maybe they are constantly interacting with the fans. I have never seen other showrunners so involved with the fans before.

    ReplyDelete
  166. Afino12 May 2012 at 23:32

    So, where exactly did Bell go?

    I thought he needed to destroy the two universes to create a 3rd? Or did he anyways and go there?

    ReplyDelete
  167. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 00:14

    that seems likely...just wonder if they can repair themselves?

    ReplyDelete
  168. RobertAriadne13 May 2012 at 00:22

    Yes, those were important episodes; but if The Incident was the series finale, then all the questions would've been rendered irrelevant. 

    ReplyDelete
  169. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 00:26

    I started a thread for spoilers in the forum for Kripke's and Abrams "Revolution"...I started asking where did the energy go...and I released there has to be a plot with "energy absorption"...The first thing I thought of were super heroes like Olivia, whom have kennetic abilities, or some kind of devise, making me think that some one needed the energy for something...a space ship, underground utopia, another maybe making another reality! --So it's strange that this stasis rune devise reminds you guys something from Supernatural...It mustn't be coincidental!

    Could you tell more about the Supernatural devise?

    ReplyDelete
  170. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 01:15

    I generally agree with this. --They said they would have expanded into graphic novels if this was actually the end, but I feel like season 4 on a whole, specifically because of this ending, doesn't add up to this ending. There are still so many really interesting ideas that came across the board, but they really weren't fully explored, even the things that centered around Meana, Jones, and William Bell, besides his vision of a new reality, are kind of sporadic. There was very little consistency with some of these things introduced.

    ReplyDelete
  171. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 01:21

    That's a good question, as now he can use his bell to apparate to elsewhere! He doesn't seem to be successful since his power source was basically shut down when Walter shot her...I think in the end they said something like she was back to more normal, as I think Jessica Holt triggered something that accelerated-advanced her abilities...It seems more than likely we are not completely done with William Bell...

    ReplyDelete
  172. RobertAriadne13 May 2012 at 01:33

    Thanks for backing me up, Darth. 

    Another huge problem was the increasing religiosity of the last few episodes. In itself, it's not a bad thing; but when it starts to replace the levelheaded, rational science of the rest of the show, then there's a problem. I think that was one of the biggest problems I had with Lost: mystical, intuitive, "love will solve ALL your problems" emotion devouring the down-to-earth tangible reality.

    If it gets to the point where Pinkner and Wyman cannot be trusted to run their own show, someone needs to step up and tell the story as it deserves to be told. Someone intimately knowledgeable about the subtle details, someone wise and strong; not afraid to do the right thing when it comes down to it. Someone... like us. 

    ReplyDelete
  173. Afino13 May 2012 at 02:30

    Fair enough :)

    Just a theory I thought of!

    ReplyDelete
  174. Afino13 May 2012 at 02:40

    Completely "out there" theory...

    With all of the advanced tech he has even in 2012 against the Observers (the gun that is able to shoot September), I'm thinking that Bell is some sort of time traveler himself, able to go to the future and bring tech back with him, or at the very least, get something like Observer DNA to figure out how to "beat" them. I think Bell went some TIME into the future. Maybe 2015. Maybe 2036. Maybe to times unknown!

    Remember in 2036 Walter/Simon/Etta had the blueprints for a....container(?) that would neutralize the Observer threat at least locally. And that tech wasn't exactly new to Walter, who had been Ambered since 2015. I suppose they could have devised that blueprint prior to being Ambered and just couldn't make it in time to stop the Observers....

    ReplyDelete
  175. Fernando Arce13 May 2012 at 02:49

    but if they can repair themselves, why did August die? I believe that the group of observers cured him instead of letting him die so he could be punished. They didn't cure August because he chose to sacrifice himself. Dunno, sorry for my english, I speak spanish hehe.

    ReplyDelete
  176. lordbradiii13 May 2012 at 02:59

    I totally understand why they ended it the way they did. They didn't need a cliffhanger, because they wanted the characters to be "in" their emotion of the present, which is to say happy. And the "They're coming!" is simply a nod to next season. It is obviously referencing the Observers.

    One thing I thought was unnecessary, was the way Olivia revealed to Peter that she was pregnant. I mistakenly (I guess) thought that when she mentioned a nursery to Peter, that was her way of telling him she was pregnant. Guess not! But TPTB also said that her hesitation in telling him was significant...can't wait to see what that was all about.

    And finally, Rebecca Mader reanimated. Was that not the freakiest shit you've ever seen?? ::shiver::

    *AWESOME*

    ReplyDelete
  177. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 03:04

    Sure.

    I don't mind stories about love conquering all, but I don't like it when it's a free for all with no complexity or struggle. Actually that's one thing I liked about Jack and Kate's situation, as they both had to do things for other people outside of their feelings for each other. -They didn't reunite until some preserved point in the FS and from there they could move onto the next life (that they all started to see) together. I liked how their relationship was handled in conjunction to what the both felt they had to do... because for both them, it was about sacrifice, and Jack just happened to make Kate a better person.

    ReplyDelete
  178. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 03:07

    September was shot with a different kind of gun (one Jessica almost used) than a traditional gun and bullet. August was shot with the advanced gun, if I remember correctly?

    ReplyDelete
  179. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 03:09

    I am thinking something similar...that whenever the Observers originally come from, Bell was preserved in some way...in a computer...and he still has a serious effect on them.

    ReplyDelete
  180. RobertAriadne13 May 2012 at 03:14

    "A free for all with no complexity or struggle." That pretty much sums it up.
    And I'm serious, Darth. If P & W don't come through in the next 13 episodes, I think you and I should try our hand at writing the series. We could make an entire season, but animate it (something like Lysergic Acid Diethylamide); and post the episodes on Youtube. Maybe get Roco (the guy who runs Fringe Bloggers), DarqueMode, and Wilson Crawford in on it.
     I realize that (in light of what Bell tried to do) the idea of two young, obsessed fans thinking they know better than the creators of their favorite show is deeply ironic; but what do you think?

    ReplyDelete
  181. lordbradiii13 May 2012 at 03:18

    Here's something wild to think about: *What If* - Okay, so Olivia moved faster than an Observer could. Also, we know Etta will have certain abilities as well. Could they be hinting that the Observers themselves are descendants, either directly or indirectly, of Peter and Olivia? I don't know, just musing...

    ReplyDelete
  182. SAMURAI_ex_ninja13 May 2012 at 04:01

    Thanks, I'll keep that in mind! :)

    ReplyDelete
  183. Wilson Crawford13 May 2012 at 06:30

    Yes. I agree with...everything. There were redeemable things but overall it didn't do what it was supposed to without sacrificing the best stuff about the show. 

    ReplyDelete
  184. Wilson Crawford13 May 2012 at 06:37

    Well, I understand that angle. I thought you were simply trying to make the shows fit together and that was sort've upsetting. No, after I saw that the "new world" Bell was showing Walter was a vision and nothing more in the beginning of the episode, I figured this was them trying to tie everything up and still trying to use shock techniques to string us along on a "series/season" ender that would plug everything up and sort've put the characters where they wanted them to be, without putting the themes or the mythology first, so I also watched the finale and didn't feel very affected. It was, to me, very forced.

    ReplyDelete
  185. Wilson Crawford13 May 2012 at 07:19

    In Supernatural, they deal with (obviously) various supernatural entities that range from monsters, to demonic entities, to angry spirits, and even angels. Spiritual entities (ghosts, angels, demons) are usually able to be fended off with a combination of runes, salt, purified ashes, etc. 

    Demons, for example, can be held powerless within what is known as a "devil's trap" which is a large sigil that can be drawn above or below the victim demon and hold it in place. There are symbols that also allow humans to be kept at bay from demonic possession (they can be tattooed on an individual to keep them from entering the would-be host)Likewise, ghosts are bound by salt, and rings of salt, salt layered within buildings, etc. hold spirits out or in until the line is broken.When dealing with angels, a ring of holy fire binds them to the spot (if they cross it, they perish unlike others, who simply are unable to leave their place in a devil's trap)...and there are enochian sigils that can be written in human blood that purge all the angels from the area (they are sort've sent far away very rudely)Hellhounds are held back by salt or sometimes some sort of purified ashes. I'll post a couple pics (maybe a demonstration) for you :)While there's ALOT more to it than that, there's the gist of it.http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/238/a/8/Devils_trap_supernatural_by_Marky306.jpghttp://www.supernaturalwiki.com/images/7/7e/AngelBanishSignil.jpg

    If you pay attention you can see some of these sigils (and their effects) in this vid I found. Honestly I couldn't find anything but fanvids so bear with me, but it's decent.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glEsb6tcAXg

    ReplyDelete
  186. Oceanic10813 May 2012 at 07:59

    It was CGI.

    ReplyDelete
  187. prpleight13 May 2012 at 11:13

    In 30 seconds I a certain that Belly is insane.  The eyeball effect on Jessica is freaking me out!  I wasn't wrong...Belly is completely insane.  NO!  If they show the bad robot now I will have to find something to destroy.  Oh good.  a commercial.  I love that the silly lemon cake experiment had a major purpose in the end of the episode.   The look on Olivia's face just before she told Peter that she was pregnant had me worried.  I was waiting on her to dump him for his own good or something.  But instead she announces her pregnancy.  I should be able to relax right.  We're going to get a nice happy ending to the ep.  I can Yay! my way into next season.  Because we saw Olivia die....so that bomb isn't hanging over our heads.  (Despite the fact that I don't know what ep 19 means for season 3)  But NO!  That wasn't the end of the episode so I started worrying again that there was still a shoe to drop and something bad was going to happen to one of our beloved characters.  Luckily it was just the hint that episode 19 will indeed inform season five.  Whew!

    Happy camper.  Really glad I waited and watched both eps back to back.

    ReplyDelete
  188. prpleight13 May 2012 at 11:29

    When September stepped on that rune my first thought was the Supernatural demon traps (cannot remember what they're called on the show)

    You knew Walter was going to fire that shot.  I completely didn't.  I usually telegraph these things but I was completely certain he was going to shoot Belly.

    1a)  I think Walter is Man X.

    2)  Has me pretty darned curious.

    3)  Ooo, I like it.  I'd forgotten that Etta was wearing a bullet.

    I agree with you about Belly's disappearance.  But Olivia's death scene, probably because I didn't see it coming, was satisfying.  I had a moment of freak.  As for the pregnancy announcement...I expected that we would get sweet happys for most everyone.  I finally believe the showrunners when they said they didn't film alternate endings.  The final few minutes definitely felt like 'just in case we don't get picked up' and I definitely prefer that the erred on the side of happily ever after.    

    ReplyDelete
  189. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 12:18

    I def think it's meant to be the same bullet. It makes sense that she would carry something that represents "victory over death" and by extension, her own existence. It's there own little Chi Rho.

    ReplyDelete
  190. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 12:30

    I am actually starting to write a fan-fic taking place in other universes...(my 2 main characters are counterparts, but not dopplegangers) But I would be interested when the series is over.

    LOT was SO good that I can't imagine that what they plan on doing isn't going to be good. Clearly  people get separated again and tables turn. I'm not going to gripe them over my disatisfaction over one episode, or not give them the time to let them weave what they felt they needed in season 4 back into the series tighter. If someone would ask me what the theme of season was, I would say sporadic chaos leading to a new world...I am thinking there might be other things going on with William Bell and the Observers and the season wasn't just about Bell's Utopia...If Bell is always ahead of everyone else, then maybe he actually did all of this for a different reason, than we think. But obviously we have to wait and see...

    ReplyDelete
  191. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 12:42

    That was my first reaction too, but I am going to go out on a limb and say we didn't really see what Bell is doing....Jessica Holt and the chili sauce, really gives us a big hint that in the time line the Observers derive, William Bell most likely created them, but also a lot of the future tech, as in the 2 main time lines we have seen Bell's signature is on the machines (which come from many loops of previous iterations of season 1-3 time line), the shapeshifters, the nanites, ect. and there's the interest in the first people has been curious...as the F.P. books may give directions on how to create an alternate time line...or be a manual for temporal agents....which in turn could reveal that the Observers were the first, First People... 

    There has to be some kind of relationship between the creation and introduction to things in season 4 and William Bell and the Observers in conjunction to the Observers own *protocols* (they have to take orders from someone or something from some where, like a living computer...) and what really triggered them in 2069 to come back at this very specific point in history and alter it with their full presence.

    ReplyDelete
  192. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 12:47

    It's possible his future warning is no longer needed, but it's possible that Mr X (William Bell) is a very stuburn variable to get rid of in the universe, as another version may directly relate to them.

    It's possible that she either will be up against another person very close to William Bell or she passed on the fate to her daughter, as [blue] Olivia may have never escaped death and had a child before this time line...I worry about Widmark.

    ReplyDelete
  193. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 12:55

    Now you guys are being too kind. :p

    like I said elsewhere. I am going to try and sympathies with their situation and I am going to try and look at all of season 4 as a prelude to what's coming, rather than beat myself up about the strangeness of the last few episodes and the lack of tightly stringing those things together in BNW.

     

    ReplyDelete
  194. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 12:58

    Thanks a lot. Supernatural is one of those shows I have been meaning to get around to, but just haven't. --But because of the new connection, I find it interesting that they would use it something similar here...So perhaps the Observers are devils! (;

    ReplyDelete
  195. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 13:03

    Creating the Perfect Soldier: The Evolution of the Observer
    http://www.spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=23330 

    I think most of Fringe hints at their evolution. Letters of Transit also pointed out a cortexifan ability from "Concentrate and Ask Again" (Simon Philips) of being able to read mind, except for others cortexiphaners, as they can "block" them out! --So if anything The Observers abilities also rely on cortexiphan. 

    ReplyDelete
  196. DarthLocke413 May 2012 at 17:03

    So I was discussing in the forum about The Observers, and about the change of Observers. He believed they were always bad and I tend to disagree...but what came out of me exploring it was kind of interesting (and goes along with what Darque and I were discussing) So I thought I would share. See what you guys think!

    I disagree because they could have seized control at any given time, it suggest they need a specific reason to change...The Observers behavior in Letters of Transit are way different then the more recant temporal agents (September, December, July, August). --They go from mild scientist in control of their emotions (blue universe-Introverted)) to militaristic and indulgent (red universe -extroverted)...suggest that there is at least a protocol or function to initiate such a phase.

    I think all the variables from the original time line have become opposite. I think Bell created the Observers to help preserve humanity and they start out as just information gatherers and healers...but at some point whether in their actual time line, or collectively over several iterations, especially with what has happening with technology and knowledge with Jessica Holt and John Mosley, they get more and more abused and used by humanity, and their original role changes and becomes lost (shape shifter = prelude to Observers = shifting shape/roles thematic aspect of comparable reality)

    They could have just enihlated humanity point blank...and lived with out us, but they're either more interestd in REVENGE (think former Walternate) for something, or they are too sentimental and it would completely go against their own existence, or original their purpose to just get rid of humanity.

    But if they (or a certain faction) were made from William Bell's blood/DNA then they may "feel" all versions of William Bell and his actions and threfor what he does in season four makes them follow suit --William Bell wants to be God and create "a perfect new world", the Observers want to play God and create "a perfect world"....William Bell wasn't completely corrupt in season 1-3, but on the verge of it. The Observers weren't completely corrupt in season 1-3, but on the verge of it...

    The cortexifaners mirror them as well, as they were designed to stop 'the threat', but it may be that the Observers were originally the ones to stop 'the threat', but now everything has changed and they become the threat. (Frankenstein - having to deal with our creations and becoming responsible for them)

    There is also hint in an alternate comic that the main characters are criminals- art thieves! ---They probably originally are the ones to steal the tech and take it back in time and now a bizzilian life time later, they are making up for their crimes...Peter starts out being a criminal. -Wimdmark = Film Noir actor -famous villain in "Kiss of Death" about criminal redeeming himself for his crimes. Dr. Frankenstein's monster was made up from body parts of dead criminals....

    It would also be interesting if September had Olivia's DNA in him, especially if he was 'the child Observer'...It would explain why he continues to help her and those she cares about. Plus Walter now redeemed, may be the only one to figure out how to deal with the Observers, especially if it pertains to the behavior of the William Bells...But it also may be like how there were two universes that had some thing opposite about them (extroverted verses introverted), could there end up being 2 factions of Observers.

    ReplyDelete
  197. Matheus Bittencourt13 May 2012 at 22:15

    Happy Mother's Day, Olive!

    ReplyDelete
  198. Wilson Crawford14 May 2012 at 00:06

    It really just seemed very weird. We see those things in SPN ALL the time, now you can see them on other shows like TVD and I'm sure they used some in Buffy, but those are all fantasy shows...to have one used that would be tech-based...feels wrong.

    ReplyDelete
  199. Adam D. Harris14 May 2012 at 00:20

    I starting to think I disagree about the writers knowing where they are going...

    ReplyDelete
  200. David Weiss14 May 2012 at 01:51

    My theory about the Observers is that they are descendants (but not necessarily) of Olivia and Peter - with their abilities derived from Cortexiphan (that for me became clear after Olivia displayed the same ability as September and being faster than him results from the high dosage of Cortexiphan in her system). 
    The reason behind this belief is bc of September's statement about how is important the moment of Walter's creation of the cure for young Peter as well as the importance given to the child meant to be born from Blue!Olivia and Peter (Etta, who has abilities like her mother) instead of Red!Olivia.Concerning the "change" of behavior of the Observers, I think this difference is justified with the existence of two distinct groups of them. What made me get to this conclusion is how September said "they are coming" instead of something else (or he does not think of himself as one of them anymore).

    ReplyDelete

NOTE: Name-calling, personal attacks, spamming, excessive self-promotion, condescending pomposity, general assiness, racism, sexism, any-other-ism, homophobia, acrophobia, and destructive (versus constructive) criticism will get you BANNED from the party.