"When my sister stops hanging out with vampires I'll take it off". Stops DATING vampires would be better. And why is Jeremy hating the brothers now? They never were best friends, but he never hated them. Maybe he has his problems with Elena making out with both of them.
Ester turned out to be a bitch and a psycho, like Klaus. Maybe it's just the 1000 years she watched her children kill from the other side.
"Where you and your loved once will not suffer the hands of vampires" Too bad, that most of Elenas loved once ARE vampires. She kinda seems to forget that. She doesn't care. Like Elena hasn't suffer enough. Lost enough.
Alaric as vampire. Not so sure that's such a good idea. And if he supposed to hunt (and prey) only vampires, why did he attack Bonnie?
And Ric is wrong. Jennas blood is not on his hands. It's on Klaus and Elijahs. Elijah failed to protect her and Klaus turned and killed her.
Bonnie wasn't sleepwalking. I think Esther possessed her.
Now it's Stefans fault? He may released Esther. But if I'm not wrong, it was Klaus who killed his mother, killed his siblings and every human he came across in 1000 years. Why is it Stefans fault Klaus mother hates him and want's to kill him. 1000 years and he didn't learn that every action has a reaction?
And Klaus is wrong. No one is truly immortal and truly indestructible. Not even he.
To lose the Alerc we know a shame to turn he didn't kill Bonnie.They may use her to help solve everything with magic but why can't they kill her off instead of good characters.
Wow this episode was awesome, I thought it was better than last weeks for sure. We got all the characters at some crazy event where chaos ensues. Cried half the time lol Alaric's dead/resurrection were brutal. Can't wait to see what they do with him now. Now the question of who is the Big Bad, is it still Klaus or is it Rick? Also kind of bugs me that Klaus wants to cart Elena around to make his army and invites Caroline to go with him...honestly would be a bit weird to have her best friend a prisoner while she sees the world with Nik. Also that would mean Klaus would have to kill Stefan and Damon and we all know thats not gonna happen.
I usually don't feel sorry for some character in a movie or show. But Elena …
I just don't understand how she can go on. How she can get up every day and pretend, everything is fine.
She must be really strong … After all she's beet thru. She's been thru hell. More than once. She lost her family, friends, her friends probably hate her, after all they've been thru because of her. Bonnie lost her mother and her grandmother, Tyler and Caroline were turned, Matt and Jeremy were hurt and almost killed, more than once. Why didn't they turn their backs on her? They must hate her by now. Now she lost Alaric.
I would crack by now. I would be just an empty shell.
Wow. I'm p.o. at Bonnie. But seem to hate her. Why?
I think, she is o.k. I just wish, she would make up her mind. Several times she now betrayed Elena and the brothers. And at the same time she is working with them? She has to choose a side.
Should be easier than Elenas choice between the brothers.
Heh Heh Heh...I knew when we started seeing people home that Alaric was going to be on his feet at the end of the episode. But really, Ester, worst plan ever. Elena is right....she's no better than the creatures she desires to destroy. But we got hope for Jeremy and his ring. The implication, as I took it, of Ester's statement was that the reason Alaric became a killer was because she'd been working on him while he was dead. I gather this also explains why his death periods were getting longer and longer.Yay Tyler and Caroline. Sadly Bonnie's all but become a non-character to me. Emotionally, she seems all over the place. Never really active. She's more like a prop or weapon.
This could be a tight competition between Klaus and Alaric, but I think, Klaus is worse.
Alaric kills out of vengeance. He hates vampires and everyone who helps them. He would never kill someone innocence. For Klaus it's a hobby. He is bored? No problem. He goes out and tortures and kills an entire family. And he is completely selfish. Everything he does, he does for himself. Alaric kills, because he believes, that he is doing mankind a favor.
Well, he wants to take Elena (of course), because she is the key to his hybrids. The reason he stays in MF is Elena. If he leaves, just with her. He probably won't take a risk, that anything happens to her before she has a child.
And yes, it would be really weird. Klaus with Elena and Caroline. Imagine: Paris. Klaus and Caroline return from shopping and start making out, while Elena is chained on a wall or a chair in the next room. Not that Caroline would ever get along with that. Not until he compels her.
Seriously, Plec, what was supposed to be SAAAAD in this?
the episode spent time doing NOTHING. Its a 5 minute plot of Alaric being asspullled into Original being stretched into 45 minutes.
One contrivance after another, one predictable "twist" after the other, this episode did nothing good for the show, but make already contrived Alaric-psycho plot into more bigger trainwreck.
Take 5 minutes of Alaric-into-original-out-of-nowhere asspull plot, mix in 10 minutes of twilight edward/bella romance and 30 minutes of pure filler and you have this episode.
I'm sad. Not over the story, or either crap-story filled with plot holes.. just about the OOC development that is affecting this show since early this season. Or did I miss the memo where all the main are bipolar? Is it too much to ask for at least a little consistency? I know it's a team of writers, but really, can the production hire someone to check out the "progress" of each character, anything that don't make us think they should pay a visit to a mental facility (chek-in only!) It could have been a great season with many interesting plots, but... sad indeed.
I just low how this post manages to combine two logical fallacies into one.
The validity of critique has nothing to do with one's talents in other art forms. Most of critics have not even written a book. Understanding how it is done and what makes it work and what does NOT does not make you into a great writer. it makes one a great critic.
Don't like it don't watch it argument I see thrown around every day on the internet. Yet the answer is the same. You can't just "DEFINE" a numerical value at which show "is not liked" and then consistently somehow calculate the value of every scene you see to determine when to stop watching. There are anchors in the shows, things one watch it for and as long as they hold enough weight one watches the show. in my case its Caroline and her development(and even that has been arguably inconsistent this season)
I have been questioning the sanity of entire main cast since mid s2 when everyone was overly suicidal to protect one bland schoolgirl who most likely won't even go to college.
By now, the plot of vampire diaries requires each and every character to lose any sense of reason, logic, sensibility and sanity, to work.
The plot relies on on characters making stupid decisions, being incredibly bipolar, overlooking obvious facts, doing irrational decisions, losing any capability for human emotion, being incredibly oblivious to things 5 year old child would notice or being outright lethargic to everything and anything that happens around them,
HAHA You know, usually i dont agree with your pessimistic view of things, but about this characters ... i'm with you. I'll have to see the humor of it, if nothing else, and by doing it: thank you for your reply, i'm still laughing! It was gorgeous!
i enjoying reading your perspective/thoughts. they are rational and thought out and i am with you. just because you are able to be objective about something you watch, and see the flaws, does not mean you don't like it as well.
I'm not going to go all Herman Hesse on you about the things we hate in others is what we hate in ourselves, i.e. why you or anyone doesn't like certain characters etc..., but i will agree that the writing and direction of the show has be 100% inconsistent this season. what was great about past seasons was the general follow through and story arc, we got from point A to point B without much floundering. this season is all about floundering. people literally standing around doing nothing or going through hollow motions of looking like they are doing something.
i am beginning to wonder if there was some sort of change in writers from last season to this. i know there is this Julie Plec person who seems to be up her own delusional ass, at the moment, about how super fantastic her show is.
Really tired, so even though I want to type more I'll keep it short.
This was a really hard episode to watch, not because it wasn't well done and a good episode but because I felt like Alaric actually did die (even though technically you could argue that he didn't). Alaric has been one of my favorite my favorite characters since he was first introduced and as soon as it became clear that he wasn't going to make the choice to transition and to die instead I just spent the rest of the episode in tears. His goodbyes with Elena, Jeremy, and Damon were heartbreaking and I will sorely miss seeing the Alaric that we have come to know and love every week.
Now Matt Davis will be on the show as "new original," but it's almost like he's a new character because his vampire personality is so radically different from the Alaric that we've known for most of 3 seasons, so I felt it was really fitting that this episode spent the time letting the characters and us say goodbye.
I say raise a glass to Alaric and toast to his memory.
I don't know what to think of this episode. It wasn't bad but it was't great either. I was really expecting something more from this decade dance episode.
Let me start by saying that the 20's decade dance itself was great. I would have gone to dance organized like that.
Back to the plot. We start by Esther going back to her own body thanks to Alaric who staked Rebekah. That led to Rebekak not coming neither to the dance nor the dance preparation.
There's a nice scene of Elena and Caroline while preparing the dance. We could see Caroline freaking out about Rebekha's no-show and smoothly changing the subject to Damon to torture Elena a little and finally convincing Elena to invite Stefan to the Dance.
I really like these few short moments between Elena and Stefan in this episode. I reminded me of their relationship back in season 1 or early season 2.
Moving on. Esther traped all vampires at the dance so she could take Elena and use her blood to make Alaric her anti-vampire weapon. That really made Klaus mad so he decided to threat to kill someone if Bonnie wouldn't break the spell to let them out - No surprise here we all knew it was coming and we all knew they would finally go out.
Esther changed Alaric in an Original - I was a little surprised here - but to her disappointment he stabbed her and decided not to complete the transition. I really thought he would die but Esther "smartly" possessed Bonnie to force Alaric to finnish transition. And that's a cliffhanger.
What I like about the episode was a little of Damon-Alaric bromance. Mostly on Damon's part. It was nice to see Damon care for someone other than Elena for once. The other thing I liked was Caroline. I think she's becoming better and better with every episode. Being her old self (freaking out about the dance) which was funny but also being a great friend to Elena and Stefan and trying to take care of Matt. I think she really grew up and matured. I also admire her for not being afraid of Klause and standing up to him.
As I said at the begining I was expecting more from the episode. This one wasn't as fast-paced as others and if I was to compare I liked the previous decade dance episodes better.
At this point I have no idea where showrunners are going with the show and what they can be planing for the season finale. But I hope it's good so we can have the TVD season ending like we all like.
I think it might be due to Kevin Williamson working on The Secret Circle and his other project for FOX. I looks like he is distracted this season and maybe that is partially the case.
alaric becoming a sociopath,sicotic vampire hunter with a inmortal weapon like father original sounds awesome how klaus handle that yeees real pain in his but
It looks like Esther is fully blinded by her crusade or even her vengeance. I think she has become worse tha Klaus and is bigger threat to other than Klaus.
That is why i love Elena!! Some people think that she is a weak and boring charakter,.. but i think she is actually one of the strongest charakters on the show .. she has gone through so much but she still fights
I think, she is still fighting, because she has to. For the others. She is the only family Jeremy has left. And she can't leave her friends to Klaus. Remember, what Klaus did, after Katerina ruined his plans.
If I were Elena I would just end it. Well, I don't have either family nor friends, so, … But Elena does. She knows: if she dies, Klaus will kill everyone she ever knew.
I'm glad someone at least brought up the "dangerous dance karma"... this town's bloodbaths tend to occur at the dances it hosts haha.. though I must admit, I loved the outfits this time around. And even though I prefer Damon in general, Elena and Stefan shared a nice moment at the dance before the dream came to its inevitable end... and then again later when they were back in the gym.
And ummmm holy crap, Alaric. I figured his death was inevitable, so I was prepared for this episode... but I didn't see the end coming. This is really going to kill Elena and Jeremy, since it definitely doesn't seem like vampire Alaric is in touch with his soft side haha.. it might be tough for Damon, too. I think Alaric was Damon's only real friend, if you don't count his brother and even Elena sometimes. Their scenes before Ric finally died broke my heart. And now he might have to kill him for good.
I thought the same thing - even if his body isn't in the ground, he feels dead to me, too. This isn't the family-friendly version of Alaric we've come to know over the past three seasons... he's pretty much a rage-filled killing machine. It's going to be hard to reconcile the two. And that beautiful send-off in the woods with everyone in his life as well as his final moments with Damon brought tears to my eyes. R.I.P. Alaric. I'll toast to his memory as well.
Well, I actually do write. For myself and I published storys for my school magazine. And I also can criticize movies and books, if I don't like the story or the character. I'm not saying, that I'm good any of those. Better that everybody. Far from it.
You should understand, that tv shows are a bit more difficult to write and create than movies. If you tell the story too fast, you tell the entire story by the middle of the season, and then what? Then you are just forcing something into it, making things up that make no sense. Wright? And the same goes for the characters. They change, develop. But you can't force them into changing too fast. Like in real life it takes time. Damon changed. Wright? It took him 2 seasons, but, … Stefan showed us new aspects of his personality. And Caroline changed for like 180 degrees. It just takes time. It's not a movie. You can't use it all up in one season. Than the show is over. Samples … Buffy and Charmed. Two successful shows, living 7-8 seasons. They never would last that long, if the storys and the characters wouldn't evolve. It wasn't just about hunting demons.
And you are complaining all the time about Elena, how annoying and boring she is.
Well, I just had a discussion about how strong she actually is. After all she's been thru. Losing her parents (both sets of it) and Jenna, always being in danger, putting her friends in danger (Caroline an Ty turned, Matt and Jeremy almost killed, several times, Bonnie getting distant form Elena, cause she lost her grams and her mom because of the vampires Elena loves so much) and just waiting, till they turn their back on her (till they decide, they're better off without her). But she gets up every day, pretends everything is fine and tries to go on with her life (or what is left of it).
I couldn't. I would give up long ago. I would end it.
Elena is losing her loved ones and goes "I don't have anyone anymore". Well, she does have: Jeremy, Stefan, Damon, Caroline, Bonnie, Matt.... BTW Damon has lost hid only friend. He is the one, who only have a brother (Elena doesn't count). But no one shows him some sympathy...
The thing is, Secret Circle is not exactly better. KW is seriously losing his ability to write...again. Just like when he created the travesty that was Hidden Palms.
Oh, this episode was such a mixed bag. I mean there moments of the characters literally just standing around doing nothing. But then the scene with Ric and Damon. I wished he would have just killed Bonnie, I just want Bonnie to be put out of her misery. Her friends suck and her family sucks. She is not very well developed as a character. While I root her I just don't see the point besides an easy out to whatever magical situation the group finds themselves in. No one even says thank you. They take her for granted. She can't even have a decent relationship.
Kinda many people hate Bonnie lately. At the beginning I liked her. She had cool powers and with a while she got stronger and self-confident, … But now she's getting on my nerves.
She's been thru a lot because this vampire madness that is going on. Who wasn't?!?! What is bugging me is, that she is blaming the brothers for everything that happens.
Her grandma died because of this spell she did to help the brothers. True. But she did it because she wanted it to, not because she was forced. She saw, that Elena loved them and she wanted to help. No one forced her to. Damon turned her mother. He didn't have much of a choice, did he? Besides her mother was a bitch. She left her. Twice. And she is blaming Damon for that. Wright, like he made her to go. Again!
She betrayed the brothers and Elena several times now. And I hoped, she could get along with them.
No. If she wants to stay on the team, she has to put some effort into it. Or, she can leave town.
My problem with Bonnie is she's always a pawn or is on the wrong side of the problem. Last night I wanted to scream when she got whatever'd and went to keep Alaric from dying. She never uses her powers proactively. I didn't start off disliking her, but she's just useless and she shouldn't be.
I'm pretty sure killing off Alaric was the "sad" think that Plec was talking about. And a dance, creating a weapon to kill all the originals, turning Alaric into an original, everybody saying goodbye and coming to grips with the pain, all seemed like a good amount of plot to me. And just to say, Damon was actually angsting over losing a good friend, which does show character growth or at least reversal to the guy he was before he was turned. And Matt and Jeremy bonding over being like the last humans left in Mystic Falls was pretty touching. I am thrilled to have Jeremy home and see how he can reintegrate with a dangerous life that he briefly thought he'd left behind.
Pretty much agree with you. This "season of the Originals" has unexpectedly reduced TVD to a soap opera with one far fetched plot contrivance after the other, and this is sad because it proved in S1 and S2 that it could be so, so much more than that.
Now Alaric is a vampire. Writers, does you have any other ideas except turning everyone into vampire? In the beginning it was Vicki, then Caroline, Jenna, Tyler, Bonnie's mom and now it's Alaric. I think by the end of season 4 everyone except Elena will become a vampire. So I really hope that writers will stop turning everyone character into vampire. It was interesting with Vicki and Caroline. But not anymore...
About last night … I think, she was possessed. By Esther. Don't ask me how. Bonnie is a witch, she should be immune to tricks like that. But she was possessed. Or compelled. Remember, Esther spend some time in Beccas body. And even if witches are immune to compulsion by normal vampires, Becca is an original.
I wouldn't call her useless. She is useful. Just in the wrong way. I'd say: Action instead of reaction. Something happens and she reacts and tries to help using her magic. She should use her magic to find a powerful hotspot. Lots of energy. How about Salem? I'm not an expert on history or witch trials, but many many witches died there (well, most of them were probably innocent girls). Then, I would use that power to get f****** rid of Klaus. And for Christ's sake, if they can't kill him, because he started the bloodline, than lock him away. Like the vampires in the tomb, or like her mother locked papa vamp away. Make it unbreakable (by destroying the crystal or whatever). And put 10 boundary lines around it, so no stupid vampire, werewolf, hybrid, or human would ever try to get him out.
Is it that why you think she is useless? Couse you would expect Bonnie to come up with a plan like that?
The "possessed" thing (or whatever witchy thing that was) was just another instance of her being a pawn. She's being used for someone else's plot. She lifted the linking spell because she was threatened, she tried to kill all the Originals with Esther because she was manipulated by Esther into thinking that's what she wanted or in the past what one of her ancestors wanted. She never really has a plan of her own to accomplish anything. That's what I mean about being useless. She's always being played by someone else's agenda instead of using her power for her own purposes. It goes back to the fact that she isn't proactive--it's the same as you saying she is always reactive. She doesn't have to be but in the end she just isn't very helpful and the few times she is, she pouts about it. I think if Bonnie was interested in getting rid of vampires then she should do something about it, if she is wishywashy about it and sees some grey area there then she should stand her ground and figure out a way to protect herself from getting pulled into plots. Sure, I'd love it if she came up with a way to kill Klaus, she doesn't have to succeed, but doing something, anything, about her convictions would go a long way with me.
True, Klaus threatened Jeremy, so Bonnie would lift the spell that linked all the originals together. But she could fake it, like she faked in S1 that she removed the spell form that weapon. Or pretend, she is not strong enough.
Esther didn't lie. Bonnies ancestors probably really wanted the originals to die, so she spoke the truth. She just "forgot" to mention, that killing an original kills the entire bloodline.
Precisely. She has no plans and she is always reacting. That is what is bugging me. She is the most powerful of all. She is the weapon against Klaus. Or she could be, if she'd wanted to. And I could strangle her for that! First, she does nothing to protect the town and the people she (as she says) loves. She is doing nothing, absolutely nothing, to stop Klaus. Not killing him, just stopping him. And then she blames Elena and the brothers for everything that happens.
Jeremy showed more actin. He is just a human, but he started training as a hunter. That is more than she did. I know, in S2 she learned that magic has a price. If you do it alone. She can use the power of the other witches. She is not the last witch living on this planet, is she?
Oh, you bet she is interesting into getting rid of vampires. Everything she lost, you can put it on the vampires. Her mother left because of papa vamp. She lost her grams, now her mother again, Caroline, almost Jeremy, Damon almost killed her, … She wants to kill them all. So, why isn't she?
Dance, weapon to kill originals, etc - thats nothing new. Every episode this season had that. Not to mention that infinistake has to be the biggest out-of-nowhere plot device since bonnie's "unvamp Elena" spell from the horrible horrible mess that was S2 final episodes.
Alaric getting turned into Original was another proof that the show lacks any sort of foresight or planning, long-term and short-term, as writers had to pull out a series of contrived plot devices just to get "Mikael-like" character back into show.
Damon angsting over a friend? We have seen this twice already. Brings nothing new to a character.
Matt is pretty despicable, empty and pointless character since his character arc of misogyny in S2, and the so called "bonding" is pointless since at the end of episode every character apparently gets reset and forgets that anything ever happened.
Not really feeling any sort of "dangerous MFG life" since you have a ton of plot devices to undo death and now you have this pesky AFTERLIFE that makes death entirely pointless.
- I am now convinced more than ever that Elena either chooses Stefan or chooses neither, "neither" most likely being the only way to keep both brothers around. - Thank you Caroline for finally putting a stake in the whole "Klaroline" nonsense. I don't really care about Tyler but this decision is the only one that makes any sense. - Say what you want about Damon's lack of tact and sensitivity but, once again, he was right. He should of snapped Alaric's neck. - Now that I've tipped my hat do Damon I'll now wag my finger. That moron should have taken that invincible stake with him when he left the crypt. What was he thinking? Oh, wait. He was stinkin' drunk. That explains it. - Anyone else wish Klaus had killed Jamie? - It's nice to have Jeremy back but if he's always going to be annoyed and/or angry he should just go back to Colorado. - Bonnie was manipulated by Esther just like Alaric and it almost got her killed. This is a very good example of why she needs to stop being ruled by her anger and stop allowing herself to play the victim so damn much. - The rest of this season will most likely really suck for Damon. He has lost his only friend and the girl he loves will most likely choose not to be with him. The two people who know him the best will be absent from his life. His strong relationship with his brother is all Damon has left.
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This ep
ReplyDeletewise priceless.
Elena to
Stefan "Nice try". Loved it.
"When
my sister stops hanging out with vampires I'll take it off". Stops DATING
vampires would be better. And why is Jeremy hating the brothers now? They never
were best friends, but he never hated them. Maybe he has his problems with
Elena making out with both of them.
Ester
turned out to be a bitch and a psycho, like Klaus. Maybe it's just the 1000
years she watched her children kill from the other side.
"Where
you and your loved once will not suffer the hands of vampires" Too bad,
that most of Elenas loved once ARE vampires. She kinda seems to forget that. She
doesn't care. Like Elena hasn't suffer enough. Lost enough.
Alaric as vampire.
Not so sure that's such a good idea. And if he supposed to hunt (and prey) only
vampires, why did he attack Bonnie?
And Ric is
wrong. Jennas blood is not on his hands. It's on Klaus and Elijahs. Elijah
failed to protect her and Klaus turned and killed her.
Bonnie
wasn't sleepwalking. I think Esther possessed her.
Now it's
Stefans fault? He may released Esther. But if I'm not wrong, it was Klaus who
killed his mother, killed his siblings and every human he came across in 1000
years. Why is it Stefans fault Klaus mother hates him and want's to kill him.
1000 years and he didn't learn that every action has a reaction?
And Klaus
is wrong. No one is truly immortal and truly indestructible. Not even he.
I cried so hard
ReplyDelete:(
shit Alaric, just shit
ReplyDeleteTo lose the Alerc we know a shame to turn he didn't kill Bonnie.They may use her to help solve everything with magic but why can't they kill her off instead of good characters.
ReplyDeleteWow this episode was awesome, I thought it was better than last weeks for sure. We got all the characters at some crazy event where chaos ensues. Cried half the time lol Alaric's dead/resurrection were brutal. Can't wait to see what they do with him now. Now the question of who is the Big Bad, is it still Klaus or is it Rick? Also kind of bugs me that Klaus wants to cart Elena around to make his army and invites Caroline to go with him...honestly would be a bit weird to have her best friend a prisoner while she sees the world with Nik. Also that would mean Klaus would have to kill Stefan and Damon and we all know thats not gonna happen.
ReplyDeleteI usually don't
ReplyDeletefeel sorry for some character in a movie or show. But Elena …
I just
don't understand how she can go on. How she can get up every day and pretend,
everything is fine.
She must be
really strong … After all she's beet thru. She's been thru hell. More than
once. She lost her family, friends, her friends probably hate her, after all
they've been thru because of her. Bonnie lost her mother and her grandmother,
Tyler and Caroline were turned, Matt and Jeremy were hurt and almost killed,
more than once. Why didn't they turn their backs on her? They must hate her by
now. Now she lost Alaric.
I would
crack by now. I would be just an empty shell.
Where does
she find the straight to live on?
Wow. I'm
ReplyDeletep.o. at Bonnie. But seem to hate her. Why?
I think,
she is o.k. I just wish, she would make up her mind. Several times she now
betrayed Elena and the brothers. And at the same time she is working with them?
She has to choose a side.
Should be
easier than Elenas choice between the brothers.
Heh Heh Heh...I knew when we started seeing people home that Alaric was going to be on his feet at the end of the episode. But really, Ester, worst plan ever. Elena is right....she's no better than the creatures she desires to destroy.
ReplyDeleteBut we got hope for Jeremy and his ring. The implication, as I took it, of Ester's statement was that the reason Alaric became a killer was because she'd been working on him while he was dead. I gather this also explains why his death periods were getting longer and longer.Yay Tyler and Caroline. Sadly Bonnie's all but become a non-character to me. Emotionally, she seems all over the place. Never really active. She's more like a prop or weapon.
=0
ReplyDeleteJust one thing, Alaric.
Is it possible to hate and love at the same time???
Well, my
ReplyDeletemoney is still on Klaus.
This could
be a tight competition between Klaus and Alaric, but I think, Klaus is worse.
Alaric
kills out of vengeance. He hates vampires and everyone who helps them. He would
never kill someone innocence. For Klaus it's a hobby. He is bored? No problem.
He goes out and tortures and kills an entire family. And he is completely selfish.
Everything he does, he does for himself. Alaric kills, because he believes,
that he is doing mankind a favor.
Well, he
wants to take Elena (of course), because she is the key to his hybrids. The reason
he stays in MF is Elena. If he leaves, just with her. He probably won't take a
risk, that anything happens to her before she has a child.
And yes, it
would be really weird. Klaus with Elena and Caroline. Imagine: Paris. Klaus and
Caroline return from shopping and start making out, while Elena is chained on a
wall or a chair in the next room. Not that Caroline would ever get along with
that. Not until he compels her.
all I can say about this episode: trainwreck.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, Plec, what was supposed to be SAAAAD in this?
the episode spent time doing NOTHING. Its a 5 minute plot of Alaric being asspullled into Original being stretched into 45 minutes.
One contrivance after another, one predictable "twist" after the other, this episode did nothing good for the show, but make already contrived Alaric-psycho plot into more bigger trainwreck.
Take 5 minutes of Alaric-into-original-out-of-nowhere asspull plot, mix in 10 minutes of twilight edward/bella romance and 30 minutes of pure filler and you have this episode.
So Rick is no an Original Dam and he is super charged maybe not even Klaus can take him on. Was an awesome episode though
ReplyDeleteTold you
ReplyDeletemany times before and repeating.
YOU DON'T
LIKE IT? DON’T WATCH IT!!!!
Go to
Hollywood or NY and try selling your own show.
sad episode
ReplyDeleteI'm sad. Not over the story, or either crap-story filled with plot holes.. just about the OOC development that is affecting this show since early this season.
ReplyDeleteOr did I miss the memo where all the main are bipolar? Is it too much to ask for at least a little consistency?
I know it's a team of writers, but really, can the production hire someone to check out the "progress" of each character, anything that don't make us think they should pay a visit to a mental facility (chek-in only!)
It could have been a great season with many interesting plots, but...
sad indeed.
I just low how this post manages to combine two logical fallacies into one.
ReplyDeleteThe validity of critique has nothing to do with one's talents in other art forms. Most of critics have not even written a book. Understanding how it is done and what makes it work and what does NOT does not make you into a great writer. it makes one a great critic.
Don't like it don't watch it argument I see thrown around every day on the internet. Yet the answer is the same. You can't just "DEFINE" a numerical value at which show "is not liked" and then consistently somehow calculate the value of every scene you see to determine when to stop watching. There are anchors in the shows, things one watch it for and as long as they hold enough weight one watches the show. in my case its Caroline and her development(and even that has been arguably inconsistent this season)
I have been questioning the sanity of entire main cast since mid s2 when everyone was overly suicidal to protect one bland schoolgirl who most likely won't even go to college.
ReplyDeleteBy now, the plot of vampire diaries requires each and every character to lose any sense of reason, logic, sensibility and sanity, to work.
The plot relies on on characters making stupid decisions, being incredibly bipolar, overlooking obvious facts, doing irrational decisions, losing any capability for human emotion, being incredibly oblivious to things 5 year old child would notice or being outright lethargic to everything and anything that happens around them,
HAHA
ReplyDeleteYou know, usually i dont agree with your pessimistic view of things, but about this characters ... i'm with you.
I'll have to see the humor of it, if nothing else, and by doing it: thank you for your reply, i'm still laughing! It was gorgeous!
i enjoying reading your perspective/thoughts. they are rational and thought out and i am with you. just because you are able to be objective about something you watch, and see the flaws, does not mean you don't like it as well.
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to go all Herman Hesse on you about the things we hate in others is what we hate in ourselves, i.e. why you or anyone doesn't like certain characters etc..., but i will agree that the writing and direction of the show has be 100% inconsistent this season. what was great about past seasons was the general follow through and story arc, we got from point A to point B without much floundering. this season is all about floundering. people literally standing around doing nothing or going through hollow motions of looking like they are doing something.
ReplyDeletei am beginning to wonder if there was some sort of change in writers from last season to this. i know there is this Julie Plec person who seems to be up her own delusional ass, at the moment, about how super fantastic her show is.
Really tired, so even though I want to type more I'll keep it short.
ReplyDeleteThis was a really hard episode to watch, not because it wasn't well done and a good episode but because I felt like Alaric actually did die (even though technically you could argue that he didn't). Alaric has been one of my favorite my favorite characters since he was first introduced and as soon as it became clear that he wasn't going to make the choice to transition and to die instead I just spent the rest of the episode in tears. His goodbyes with Elena, Jeremy, and Damon were heartbreaking and I will sorely miss seeing the Alaric that we have come to know and love every week.
Now Matt Davis will be on the show as "new original," but it's almost like he's a new character because his vampire personality is so radically different from the Alaric that we've known for most of 3 seasons, so I felt it was really fitting that this episode spent the time letting the characters and us say goodbye.
I say raise a glass to Alaric and toast to his memory.
I don't know what to think of this episode. It wasn't bad but it was't great either. I was really expecting something more from this decade dance episode.
ReplyDeleteLet me start by saying that the 20's decade dance itself was great. I would have gone to dance organized like that.
Back to the plot. We start by Esther going back to her own body thanks to Alaric who staked Rebekah. That led to Rebekak not coming neither to the dance nor the dance preparation.
There's a nice scene of Elena and Caroline while preparing the dance. We could see Caroline freaking out about Rebekha's no-show and smoothly changing the subject to Damon to torture Elena a little and finally convincing Elena to invite Stefan to the Dance.
I really like these few short moments between Elena and Stefan in this episode. I reminded me of their relationship back in season 1 or early season 2.
Moving on. Esther traped all vampires at the dance so she could take Elena and use her blood to make Alaric her anti-vampire weapon. That really made Klaus mad so he decided to threat to kill someone if Bonnie wouldn't break the spell to let them out - No surprise here we all knew it was coming and we all knew they would finally go out.
Esther changed Alaric in an Original - I was a little surprised here - but to her disappointment he stabbed her and decided not to complete the transition. I really thought he would die but Esther "smartly" possessed Bonnie to force Alaric to finnish transition. And that's a cliffhanger.
What I like about the episode was a little of Damon-Alaric bromance. Mostly on Damon's part. It was nice to see Damon care for someone other than Elena for once. The other thing I liked was Caroline. I think she's becoming better and better with every episode. Being her old self (freaking out about the dance) which was funny but also being a great friend to Elena and Stefan and trying to take care of Matt. I think she really grew up and matured. I also admire her for not being afraid of Klause and standing up to him.
As I said at the begining I was expecting more from the episode. This one wasn't as fast-paced as others and if I was to compare I liked the previous decade dance episodes better.
At this point I have no idea where showrunners are going with the show and what they can be planing for the season finale. But I hope it's good so we can have the TVD season ending like we all like.
I think it might be due to Kevin Williamson working on The Secret Circle and his other project for FOX. I looks like he is distracted this season and maybe that is partially the case.
ReplyDeletealaric becoming a sociopath,sicotic vampire hunter with a inmortal weapon like father original sounds awesome how klaus handle that yeees real pain in his but
ReplyDeleteIt looks like Esther is fully blinded by her crusade or even her vengeance. I think she has become worse tha Klaus and is bigger threat to other than Klaus.
ReplyDeleteThat is why i love Elena!! Some people think that she is a weak and boring charakter,.. but i think she is actually one of the strongest charakters on the show .. she has gone through so much but she still fights
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's what I like on her to.
ReplyDeleteI think, she is still fighting, because she has to. For the others. She is the only family Jeremy has left. And she can't leave her friends to Klaus. Remember, what Klaus did, after Katerina ruined his plans.
If I were Elena I would just end it. Well, I don't have either family nor friends, so, … But Elena does. She knows: if she dies, Klaus will kill everyone she ever knew.
I'm glad someone at least brought up the "dangerous dance karma"... this town's bloodbaths tend to occur at the dances it hosts haha.. though I must admit, I loved the outfits this time around. And even though I prefer Damon in general, Elena and Stefan shared a nice moment at the dance before the dream came to its inevitable end... and then again later when they were back in the gym.
ReplyDeleteAnd ummmm holy crap, Alaric. I figured his death was inevitable, so I was prepared for this episode... but I didn't see the end coming. This is really going to kill Elena and Jeremy, since it definitely doesn't seem like vampire Alaric is in touch with his soft side haha.. it might be tough for Damon, too. I think Alaric was Damon's only real friend, if you don't count his brother and even Elena sometimes. Their scenes before Ric finally died broke my heart. And now he might have to kill him for good.
I thought the same thing - even if his body isn't in the ground, he feels dead to me, too. This isn't the family-friendly version of Alaric we've come to know over the past three seasons... he's pretty much a rage-filled killing machine. It's going to be hard to reconcile the two. And that beautiful send-off in the woods with everyone in his life as well as his final moments with Damon brought tears to my eyes. R.I.P. Alaric. I'll toast to his memory as well.
ReplyDeleteWell, I actually do write. For myself and I published storys for my school magazine. And I also can criticize movies and books, if I don't like the story or the character. I'm not saying, that I'm good any of those. Better that everybody. Far from it.
ReplyDeleteYou should understand, that tv shows are a bit more difficult to write and create than movies. If you tell the story too fast, you tell the entire story by the middle of the season, and then what? Then you are just forcing something into it, making things up that make no sense. Wright? And the same goes for the characters. They change, develop. But you can't force them into changing too fast. Like in real life it takes time. Damon changed. Wright? It took him 2 seasons, but, … Stefan showed us new aspects of his personality. And Caroline changed for like 180 degrees. It just takes time. It's not a movie. You can't use it all up in one season. Than the show is over. Samples … Buffy and Charmed. Two successful shows, living 7-8 seasons. They never would last that long, if the storys and the characters wouldn't evolve. It wasn't just about hunting demons.
And you are complaining all the time about Elena, how annoying and boring she is.
Well, I just had a discussion about how strong she actually is. After all
she's been thru. Losing her parents (both sets of it) and Jenna, always
being in danger, putting her friends in danger (Caroline an Ty turned, Matt
and Jeremy almost killed, several times, Bonnie getting distant form Elena,
cause she lost her grams and her mom because of the vampires Elena loves so
much) and just waiting, till they turn their back on her (till they decide,
they're better off without her). But she gets up every day, pretends
everything is fine and tries to go on with her life (or what is left of
it).
I couldn't. I would give up long ago. I would end it.
Could you go on?
To Alaric Saltzman.
ReplyDeleteTeacher, hunter, husband, friend …
RIP
SALT!!!! Who else thought of Supernatural? LOL
ReplyDeleteElena is losing her loved ones and goes "I don't have anyone anymore". Well, she does have: Jeremy, Stefan, Damon, Caroline, Bonnie, Matt.... BTW Damon has lost hid only friend. He is the one, who only have a brother (Elena doesn't count). But no one shows him some sympathy...
The thing is, Secret Circle is not exactly better. KW is seriously losing his ability to write...again. Just like when he created the travesty that was Hidden Palms.
ReplyDeleteYou're right but spliting time between those shows doesn't exactly help either.
ReplyDeleteI saw the salt and I sooo thought about SPN.
ReplyDeleteOh, this episode was such a mixed bag. I mean there moments of the characters literally just standing around doing nothing. But then the scene with Ric and Damon. I wished he would have just killed Bonnie, I just want Bonnie to be put out of her misery. Her friends suck and her family sucks. She is not very well developed as a character. While I root her I just don't see the point besides an easy out to whatever magical situation the group finds themselves in. No one even says thank you. They take her for granted. She can't even have a decent relationship.
ReplyDeleteKinda many
ReplyDeletepeople hate Bonnie lately. At the beginning I liked her. She had cool powers and
with a while she got stronger and self-confident, … But now she's getting on my
nerves.
She's been
thru a lot because this vampire madness that is going on. Who wasn't?!?! What
is bugging me is, that she is blaming the brothers for everything that happens.
Her grandma
died because of this spell she did to help the brothers. True. But she did it because
she wanted it to, not because she was forced. She saw, that Elena loved them
and she wanted to help. No one forced her to. Damon turned her mother. He didn't
have much of a choice, did he? Besides her mother was a bitch. She left her. Twice.
And she is blaming Damon for that. Wright, like he made her to go. Again!
She betrayed
the brothers and Elena several times now. And I hoped, she could get along with
them.
No. If she wants
to stay on the team, she has to put some effort into it. Or, she can leave
town.
My problem with Bonnie is she's always a pawn or is on the wrong side of the problem. Last night I wanted to scream when she got whatever'd and went to keep Alaric from dying. She never uses her powers proactively. I didn't start off disliking her, but she's just useless and she shouldn't be.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure killing off Alaric was the "sad" think that Plec was talking about. And a dance, creating a weapon to kill all the originals, turning Alaric into an original, everybody saying goodbye and coming to grips with the pain, all seemed like a good amount of plot to me. And just to say, Damon was actually angsting over losing a good friend, which does show character growth or at least reversal to the guy he was before he was turned. And Matt and Jeremy bonding over being like the last humans left in Mystic Falls was pretty touching. I am thrilled to have Jeremy home and see how he can reintegrate with a dangerous life that he briefly thought he'd left behind.
ReplyDeletePretty much agree with you. This "season of the Originals" has unexpectedly reduced TVD to a soap opera with one far fetched plot contrivance after the other, and this is sad because it proved in S1 and S2 that it could be so, so much more than that.
ReplyDeleteNow Alaric is a vampire. Writers, does you have any other ideas except turning everyone into vampire? In the beginning it was Vicki, then Caroline, Jenna, Tyler, Bonnie's mom and now it's Alaric. I think by the end of season 4 everyone except Elena will become a vampire. So I really hope that writers will stop turning everyone character into vampire. It was interesting with Vicki and Caroline. But not anymore...
ReplyDeleteAbout last night … I think, she was possessed. By Esther. Don't ask me how. Bonnie is a witch, she should be immune to tricks like that. But she was possessed. Or compelled. Remember, Esther spend some time in Beccas body. And even if witches are immune to compulsion by normal vampires, Becca is an original.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't call her useless. She is useful. Just in the wrong way. I'd say: Action instead of reaction. Something happens and she reacts and tries to help using her magic. She should use her magic to find a powerful hotspot. Lots of energy. How about Salem? I'm not an expert on history or witch trials, but many many witches died there (well, most of them were probably innocent girls). Then, I would use that power to get f****** rid of Klaus.
And for Christ's sake, if they can't kill him, because he started the bloodline, than lock him away. Like the vampires in the tomb, or like her mother locked papa vamp away. Make it unbreakable (by destroying the crystal or whatever). And put 10 boundary lines around it, so no stupid vampire, werewolf, hybrid, or human would ever try to get him out.
Is it that why you think she is useless? Couse you would expect Bonnie to come up with a plan like that?
The "possessed" thing (or whatever witchy thing that was) was just another instance of her being a pawn. She's being used for someone else's plot. She lifted the linking spell because she was threatened, she tried to kill all the Originals with Esther because she was manipulated by Esther into thinking that's what she wanted or in the past what one of her ancestors wanted. She never really has a plan of her own to accomplish anything. That's what I mean about being useless. She's always being played by someone else's agenda instead of using her power for her own purposes. It goes back to the fact that she isn't proactive--it's the same as you saying she is always reactive. She doesn't have to be but in the end she just isn't very helpful and the few times she is, she pouts about it. I think if Bonnie was interested in getting rid of vampires then she should do something about it, if she is wishywashy about it and sees some grey area there then she should stand her ground and figure out a way to protect herself from getting pulled into plots. Sure, I'd love it if she came up with a way to kill Klaus, she doesn't have to succeed, but doing something, anything, about her convictions would go a long way with me.
ReplyDeleteYeah, she's been used. By Esther.
ReplyDeleteTrue, Klaus threatened Jeremy, so Bonnie would lift the spell that linked all the originals together. But she could fake it, like she faked in S1 that she removed the spell form that weapon. Or pretend, she is not strong enough.
Esther didn't lie. Bonnies ancestors probably really wanted the originals to die, so she spoke the truth. She just "forgot" to mention, that killing an original kills the entire bloodline.
Precisely. She has no plans and she is always reacting. That is what is bugging me. She is the most powerful of all. She is the weapon against Klaus. Or she could be, if she'd wanted to. And I could strangle her for that! First, she does nothing to protect the town and the people she (as she says) loves. She is doing nothing, absolutely nothing, to stop Klaus. Not killing him, just stopping him. And then she blames Elena and the brothers for everything that happens.
Jeremy showed more actin. He is just a human, but he started training as a hunter. That is more than she did. I know, in S2 she learned that magic has a price. If you do it alone. She can use the power of the other witches. She is not the last witch living on this planet, is she?
Oh, you bet she is interesting into getting rid of vampires. Everything she
lost, you can put it on the vampires. Her mother left because of papa vamp.
She lost her grams, now her mother again, Caroline, almost Jeremy, Damon
almost killed her, … She wants to kill them all. So, why isn't she?
Lame episode. end of story. and they have to stop being so predictable.
ReplyDeleteDance, weapon to kill originals, etc - thats nothing new. Every episode this season had that. Not to mention that infinistake has to be the biggest out-of-nowhere plot device since bonnie's "unvamp Elena" spell from the horrible horrible mess that was S2 final episodes.
ReplyDeleteAlaric getting turned into Original was another proof that the show lacks any sort of foresight or planning, long-term and short-term, as writers had to pull out a series of contrived plot devices just to get "Mikael-like" character back into show.
Damon angsting over a friend? We have seen this twice already. Brings nothing new to a character.
Matt is pretty despicable, empty and pointless character since his character arc of misogyny in S2, and the so called "bonding" is pointless since at the end of episode every character apparently gets reset and forgets that anything ever happened.
Not really feeling any sort of "dangerous MFG life" since you have a ton of plot devices to undo death and now you have this pesky AFTERLIFE that makes death entirely pointless.
Good episode.
ReplyDelete- I am now convinced more than ever that Elena either chooses Stefan or chooses neither, "neither" most likely being the only way to keep both brothers around.
- Thank you Caroline for finally putting a stake in the whole "Klaroline" nonsense. I don't really care about Tyler but this decision is the only one that makes any sense.
- Say what you want about Damon's lack of tact and sensitivity but, once again, he was right. He should of snapped Alaric's neck.
- Now that I've tipped my hat do Damon I'll now wag my finger. That moron should have taken that invincible stake with him when he left the crypt. What was he thinking? Oh, wait. He was stinkin' drunk. That explains it.
- Anyone else wish Klaus had killed Jamie?
- It's nice to have Jeremy back but if he's always going to be annoyed and/or angry he should just go back to Colorado.
- Bonnie was manipulated by Esther just like Alaric and it almost got her killed. This is a very good example of why she needs to stop being ruled by her anger and stop allowing herself to play the victim so damn much.
- The rest of this season will most likely really suck for Damon. He has lost his only friend and the girl he loves will most likely choose not to be with him. The two people who know him the best will be absent from his life. His strong relationship with his brother is all Damon has left.