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POLL : What did you think of Game of Thrones - What Is Dead May Never Die?

16 Apr 2012

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  1. DarqueMode16 April 2012 at 03:05

    I was never a Sam hater, but this series makes him a bit unlikable to me. From being creepy always discussing girls every time we see him, to having no sense of propriety and giving Gilly a gift. Just seemed so wrong....

    That was a very effective way to show Bran warging and being inside of his direwolf Summer's body! Awesome!

    ~ "Loras fought bravely for YOU" XD
    Wow, what an introduction to Brienne. Well, I guess the source material spelled out much of it. 

    ~ "The Sea Bitch, we thought she'd be perfect for you!"
    Love the Iron Islands scenes again!
    One of the best parts of the season consistantly so far....Talk about family issues! 

    ~ "Every man who has tasted my cooking has told me what a good whore I am!" XD
    - King's landing is always fun.... except for Sansa (Even if she does act like a spoiled bitch). Poor little bird.
    - I love Tyrion's misdirections to weed out who is spying for Cersei XD
    More of Cersei being stubborn and a bit crazed when Tyrion tell her words of truth.

    ~ "...or I could turn over and you could pretend I'm him." XD
    Natalie Dormer is brilliant as Margery! A very different Margery than the books, but more interesting and better suited for HBO to be sure!

    ~ "I've decided I don't like Riddles!" XD
    - Dinklage was just brilliant once again. Tipping the whore for her troubles. I do hope he gleened that Littlefinger was responsible for Joffrey having Ned offed. 
    - Conleth Hill continues to be amazing. The lines used in most of the trailers were delviered so well.... I can see why they chose those lines for multiple trailers.

    ~ "That will help you sleep ay?
    Yoren's tale was interesting, though not good bedtime story material for a preteen child mayhap.....

    Awesome episode with longer scenes so we got to see the story unfold at a slower more enjoyable pace!

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  2. DarqueMode16 April 2012 at 03:11

    This week's photos from HBO.

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  3. Jorge Castro Salinas16 April 2012 at 06:35

    The ending was very good, Yoren's scene was captivating, sad to see him go

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  4. Nick Scryer16 April 2012 at 08:22

    Fantastic episode. Acting was phenomenal.

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  5. Gary Bird16 April 2012 at 09:18

    Terrific, awesome, fantastic.

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  6. the dane16 April 2012 at 12:12

    I agree with you. Margery was fantastic. I like her a lot better than in the books. She stands out a lot more on screen.

    Also have to agree with the Iron Islands. Brilliant! I read through those chapters so quickly to get to Jon and Tyrion, that I don´t remember a lot of it. Love all the acting on that part.

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  7. the dane16 April 2012 at 12:16

    Another awesome episode. It was so great to see Brienne. "you can call me Brienne - I´m no Lady". She did a great job.
    Also great to see Margery, who was very different than in the books. But only in a good way, I really liked her.

    Tyrion is brilliant like always. Loved his talk about riddles with Varys. And that small man does cast a very big shadow. Man, he is fantastic!!

    I was so happy to see Jaqen....and then he was gone. Hope to see a lot more of him!

    No Robb, and no Dany. didn´t really miss her though.

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  8. DarqueMode16 April 2012 at 12:37

    I read through them fast most of the times too! XD
    I loved the scene with Theon and his letter to Robb. That was new to the series far as I recall, but it really illustrated what a dilemma Theon is in. He may hate how he came to be at Winterfell. but he does not necessarily feel like he belongs there either. He feels a bond with Robb, but can he be the friend of the son of the man that basically held him captive for years? His dad sent him off, but can he now win his love or espect back.... and is it even worth it?Such a complex circumstance that I did not feel from the books as much. Alfie Allen really impressed me with his ability to express so many things with glances and body language last night!

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  9. the dane16 April 2012 at 13:19

    yeah, he did a good job. I´m so happy to hear you say that the scene with the letter wasn´t in the books. I didn´t remember it and was afraid to have missed it. Thought it was such a beautiful scene.

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  10. Cadence16 April 2012 at 15:51

    I was surprised to see Nathalie Dormer crop up as a series regular in the opening credits! It was my understanding that she was the first person cast in Season 2, but I thought that it was fairly minor casting news. So how many series regulars are there? 24? Either way, I really did love her scene. She was fantastic and provided the one real laugh in an otherwise very serious story. The books hint at her lack of innocence and slight devious nature, but only from the perspective of other characters. As such, she mostly comes across as sweet and innocent. 
    I like how much they made us feel for Sansa in the scene with Cersei (seriously, Sophie Turner is FANTASTIC) and then turned the idea on its head as she reacted by freaking out at Shae and proving herself to be the insipid child we all know her to be (albeit with some sympathy from me at this point). It was also fun to see the King's Landing characters compressed. No Giles coughing and, more importantly, no Lady Tanda and Lollys. So now Shae is Sansa's handmaiden, which is a great development this early on :D.In that same line of thinking, WHY IS LUWIN NOT A SERIES REGULAR? If we're just handing out regularships to every character that passes by, he certainly deserves it more than many (arguably Shae and Margaery). He's definitely one of my favourite ancillary characters and the actor playing him is outstanding. Is it just me or is Aiden Gillen making Littlefinger REALLY weird? He does all of these odd little acting beats that confuse me. I can't tell if he's doing a brilliant job or a terrible job.I also loved the scene with Yoren. It made his death that much more upsetting and sets the stage for how Arya will be getting to sleep from now on :). It's a nice tightening up of connections, just like Shae with Sansa. That's one thing I really enjoy about the show. It's lesser scale (compared to the books) necessitates some pleasant compression and stronger character connections.My only disappointment was the fact that Theon was not drowned to rise again. That would have been cool.

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  11. Ajlin16 April 2012 at 15:57

    What an episode!

    Only GoT can turn it around and suddenly make me care for characters I didn't care about before!

    Usually I find Theon so tedious but not in this episode. Really understood his dilemma and wasn't even pissed about him not sending the letter to warn (my beloved, lol) Robb.

    Didn't really care much for Sansa in S1 because she was so naive and silly. But I'm loving the character development and my heart broke for her. She's completely alone in enemy territory and has to smile to Joffrey, the little sh*t every day. 

    Wasn't much fan of Natalie Dormer in Tudors but loving her in GoT. Suggesting threesomes like a Queen, heh! All in all, I just love how awesome all the female characters in GoT are.

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  12. Cadence16 April 2012 at 17:28

    Lol, I think you may be out of sync with the GoT community in general (not that that's a bad thing, just an observation). AFFC and ACOK were your favourite books? I think most people would argue that ASOS > AGOT > ACOK > AFFC. 

    That being said, I disagree completely. I felt that this episode showed that the showrunners are more than competent and are capable of making the necessary cuts to make the story flow a lot better than it would without the cuts. Again, I think you put too much weight on BOOK vs. SHOW. They're doing a fine job with limited time. This includes cuts.

    As for the dullness, I can see why people would think that. I'm a big fan of small character moments over giant plot developments, so I'm enjoying it a lot. But yeah, on its face, it isn't the most exciting thing ever.

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  13. Gregory Bryant Jr16 April 2012 at 17:40

    AFFC dealt with the characters in a far more intense manner than past books did.  Jaime and Brienne had exceptional chapters, and the Dorne glimpses were great.  Arys Oakheart was an amazing character. 

    Conversely, ASOS was pretty much The Empire Strikes Back for this series.  It was large.  It's good, but people focus on "giant plot developments".  If you ask someone what their favorite thing about ASOS is, it'll have to come down to two very big things that happen near each other.  

    Without posting spoilers, AFFC really spoke to the nature of people and their desires. Character developments.  ACOK dealt primarily with characters that were dead, which is why it built up expectations for ASOS.   I wouldn't concern myself with people prioritizing the books in a different manner than I do. 

    And I don't understand how these cuts are necessary.  Why does Randyll Tarly need to be cut? He's already been mentioned.  He's been stated to be an important character.  His SON is another character in the show, so why does Loras need to absorb his lines? It doesn't make any sense.  The show flows better because of that... how?

    Lollys and Tanda serve a greater purpose as well, which is why their being removed seems odd.  If they keep hacking up the roles of everyone whose last name isn't associated with a Great House, they'll be left with a very boring show. 

    The best development of the episode was Theon and Balon, beside Yoren's last moments which was again, them splicing together scenes from the book.  I guess we don't get the Tickler, but... that's okay, because anything the show does differently must be an improvement. 

    It really isn't a matter of Book vs Show.  But having read the book, you can look at both and see why some changes don't make a lot of sense.  I'm capable of saying that some changes are for the better, but it seems that it's unthinkable to say "yeah, the show's doing this wrong". 

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  14. Gregory Bryant Jr16 April 2012 at 17:51

    Did you really feel that Sansa acted like a spoiled brat? She strikes me more as a girl whose father was murdered in front of her, is being held captive by the people who killed him, and is then given some smartass servant who makes a show of not really caring about propriety. 

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  15. Cadence16 April 2012 at 18:00

    Not at all. The show does plenty of things wrong. Criticism is important. I just think that the criticism you levy at the show is 100% based on how it relates to the books without thought of the merits of the show itself. On top of that, that criticism is again largely based on BUT THE STORY IS GOING IN THIS DIRECTION HOW WILL THEY CORRECT FOR THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT!? A valid concern, but one that can't really be addressed until we get to those later events. 

    Obviously, the show is going to lack the nuances of being inside the heads of characters. That's another issue entirely and speaks to how TV and Books are different media with different ways to tell stories. Why is it better to give Loras lines spoken by Randyll Tarly? 3 reasons: 1. Loras is a character with whom we are familiar who has received few enough lines and scenes as is. Instead of painting vague pictures of a huge number of relatively unknown characters (since the show doesn't have the time to do otherwise), it makes sense to develop those in existence. Sure, he got an "extra scene" later, but character development doesn't happen on a standalone scene basis. 2. Actors can't be contracted for 2 scenes every season. Having real people playing these roles doesn't lend well to minor character consistency. Actors *will* give up minor roles in favour of bigger ones. Apparently the guy playing Rakharro did just that. Instead of having to recast Tarly in a later season (or kill him off, which seems to upset you even more), why not cast him later?3. Too many characters cluttering the screen. It's easier to remember who's who when names are written down. Less so when someone addresses them once and you don't see them again for many episodes.How was the lack of Randyll Tarly a detriment to the show? I have no problem with legitimate criticism, but this seems a tad overzealous. 

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  16. Gregory Bryant Jr16 April 2012 at 18:28

    I don't think he is a very minor character.  I mean, he's no more minor than say, Ser Amory Lorch.  Only, Randyll Tarly has the advantage of being tied directly to another character.  I think what the show's writers are worried about is that they already conflated Tywin Lannister with Randyll Tarly by giving him that scene with Jaime.  Now they have to face the fact that Charles Dance pretty much already played Randyll.

    But more directly, it isn't just Randyll Tarly, it's the pattern of cutting out characters\.  If it was only Jojen and Meera it'd be one thing, or only Blackfish, or only Jacelyn Bywater, or only Tanda and Lollys then yeah it'd be insignificant.  But it's all of these people, and the excuses of too many character cluttering up the screen just doesn't work if you have to keep going back to it.  That's -why- the scenes are so good, because the characters all have their own personalities.

    Randyll Tarly's presence is strong and lends legitimacy to Renly Baratheon's forces.  He's been established as the only commander during RR to be able to best Robert, and he's later called the "best soldier in Westeros".  By removing him, Catelyn is just right.  They're all young knights that don't know anything and they're too inexperienced to be able to fight properly.

    Additionally, Randyll Tarly doesn't have a role that would make an actor have to keep themselves available very often.  No more so than most of the other bit characters they did decide to keep (Lorch again).  He's normally spoken of in passing as doing something for the betterment of his benefactor.  His two main scenes would have been the one they gave to Loras and much later on at a battle.

    I'm also not entirely certain what character development you felt Loras had by gaining Randyll Tarly's lines.  He's already been shown to be arrogant and prickly about things, I don't think either were furthered by the scene.  The best he did was establish that Brienne could best him in combat. 

    His derision about her joining the Kingsguard (see, that's an improvement.  The Rainbowguard was obnoxious) was handled in the bedroom scene later. 
    As for the matter of nuance, I was referring entirely to the books in comparison to themselves.  

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  17. DarqueMode16 April 2012 at 19:14

    I personally think this season has been better than last season if you compare the first 3 episodes last season to the first 3 episodes this season. The production value is up, the storycraft is up as well as the quality of the transitions between scenes. Things do not feel as disjointed this year to me.

    I'm lucky in that I think of the series as separate from the books in most ways. I see it as an adaptation that could not possibly be the books and I don't expect it to be the books.... just based on the books. I would have loved a more true adaptation, but let's be honest..... each season would have to be about 25 episodes or more and most people unfamiliar with the books would be overwhelmed by the detail and lose interest.

    That said, I do agree with a lot of your critique, just not as strongly. Your highlights were similar to mine, but I absolutely love the Iron Islands on the series. I was never a fan of the Ironborn chapters in the books and often skimmed through them on re-reads. I've liked how they changed tweaked Theon's story to the point of actually feeling for him and liking him. You are right that they do not spell things out for the viewer though. 

    Also Tyrion's scenes were incredible to me, well except his scene with Shae... agreed. I don't hate Kikkeli's performance, but it is different from the books to be sure. I think a lot of the POV with Shae in the books is wishful thinking on Tyrion's part and Shae may be more like the series than Tyrion wanted to admit. I'm not sure if she is a social climber or if she is just looking out for herself since that's what she has always done, but something about her performance feels off to me. The delivery of the lines maybe. She is a minor character though and does not have much screen time so it does not affect my opinion of the episode overall....

    It's interesting you think she gets too much screentime. Outside of the drinking games last season her few appearances have been very brief. They need to establish some of Tyrion's life with her for later events to make sense when they unfold in my opinion. This week's scene with Sansa did feel too long to me honestly, but I understood the point of it so it did not bother me.

    I think it all comes down to how you view the word "adaptation". If you expect the series to use the book scenes as they are to tell the story I'm not sure you will be happy with the series ever. I honestly think D&D understand the source material better than the average reader (even the average fanboy) and are doing an amazing job adapting the overall story from the books to the screen. While I agree that many incredible book moments have been lost, so far none of the important aspects of the story have been lost in my opinion.... and that is their job.

    One could certainly argue that the level of detail and the multitude of characters in GRRM's world are what makes ASoIaF so special and magical. If many of the characters and details are lost then the series is a pale comparison to the books. Personally, I don't think that is either fare or accurate.  I think that so far Game of Thrones has been some of the most compelling drama on TV. It may be "less than" the books, but it is certainly "more than" the large majority of everything else on TV. Especially if you take it on its own merits and do not compare and contrast it to the books.

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  18. Gregory Bryant Jr16 April 2012 at 19:56

    Well, let's not forget that television shows generally go for 22 episode seasons and that's with a lot of filler.  While l don't think AGOT should go for that many, I do believe the "hard and fast 10 episode limit" isn't really necessary.  Rome had excellent production values and it'd get 12 episodes or so, and that's not even with the huge merchandise revenue that AGOT gets along with all the advertisements.  

    But let's just say they have to stick to 10 episodes.  That's fine.  But the constant character cutting begins to make it feel like they're pandering to an audience that knows less than book readers, but knows more than someone that's just watching it for the first time.  Since, again, even with their consolidation there are times when people are overwhelmed by all the people involved in a particular arc.  I don't think Meera and Jojen ,for example, would give viewers overload since Bran's arc only deals with: Bran, Hodor, Luwin, Osha.  

    What I find interesting is that you feel this season is less disjointed.  Oddly enough, I find that with so many characters to jump through for POV roles, they've managed to make it more disjointed.  We know why Robb and Renly are given POVs in the show instead of the book, but by adding them in it also means that you have to marginalize pre-existing storylines.  Arya and Dany are barebones.  I think next week should be a "Dany episode", which would be a nice change.  We can use a Tyrion break, even though he's good.

    And it could be that I just don't like Shae in the show, but whenever she's on screen for more than a minute I start to get irritated.  Martin did an excellent job with her in the book, and I don't think it's necessarily the show's fault, but she comes off as a very flat and lifeless character.  I think she wants for the charm that came with the [sass].  Also, she needs to kiss Tyrion more.  The lack of affection makes me see her as just a brat.

    As far as adaptations go, I honestly don't want them to be scene for scene, but there are certainly aspects that feel odd by their omission.  Removing Shireen or replacing Blackfish with Ser Vardis Egan just strike me as skimming, but maybe they'll introduce the latter when they introduce all of the Tullys, as Catelyn is the only one to be seen as of yet.

    Their understanding of the lore, I guess you'll have to take that as optimism on your behalf.  It's pretty simple to see what they've done.  They have cut away almost any reference to the past and focus now on their characters, which is great for a story that isn't about the history of a land, but the history ties in strongly with the lives of people in this.  The Trident itself is an excellent example of how something from the past also matters in the present, yet I'm almost certain most show viewers have no real understanding of its significance.  I can't blame them, of course.  They weren't given it.

    There are some cuts that work out well.  By joining Yoren's death with Arya's capture, they cut out on filler and maybe a few characters, but in the end all roads lead to Harrenhal.  So that's good, right?  But for every change like that, you're left with some that just make me miss the first time I read the books and learned all the stuff Martin had to share.  

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  19. Ajlin16 April 2012 at 20:16

    I felt like she was lashing out because she's so helpless. And I felt sorry for her because she's just a child in a crazy situation.

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  20. Ajlin16 April 2012 at 20:23

    I've never read the books nor do I plan to, but I feel like I can follow the show reasonably well. True, I don't know why they were baptising Theon but I assumed it was some kind of tradition. I just don't think shows (or movies) will ever do complete justice to so books that are so detailed.

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  21. Gregory Bryant Jr16 April 2012 at 20:27

    HBO has done a good job of characterizing Sansa in a more positive light (which is interesting, because Martin never wanted her to get the hate that she received).

    I can see how she lashed out, but she was lashing out at something that shouldn't have happened.  She's a Stark of Winterfell.  Her handmaiden should know what she's doing.  Sansa shouldn't have to micromanage her. 

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  22. Gregory Bryant Jr16 April 2012 at 20:28

    I think it'd require a lot less filler, which may be too much information for some people.  They could tell the lore properly, through characters like maesters and what have you, but to do so it means the viewer has to be interested.  It's funny, because I always thought it'd be easier to show things on television without needing to describe scenes and instead just deal with dialog. 

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  23. Lilith Hellfire16 April 2012 at 21:07

    I love Dany and Jon the best so I knew going into this season that it would drag a bit for me. This episode was great in my opinion, just not worthy of an awesome rating, even though the ante has been upped in almost every way I feel like the magical spark has fizzled a bit. Hopefully, I don't feel like this for the rest of the season. But since D&D are not Alan Ball and this isn't True Blood, I doubt that I will fell off put for long. 

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  24. the dane16 April 2012 at 21:32

    Can´t believe I didn´t mention Bran. We didn´t see him that much, but I loved his dream. I have a lot of love for the direwolfs, so I love their scenes.

    I see that a lot of you have mentioned Shae. I know she will play a bigger role later on, but I really don´t need a lot of scenes with her now. 

    I think it is interesting to compare the characters to the books. Sometimes it works out perfect, sometimes better and sometimes it is a let down. But we have no right to complain. This series is as perfect as it possible could be with 10 episodes per book. I think 99 % of the actors are cast perfect. The story is well told, the dialog is great. I LOVE the show and think it is such a shame that we are debating all the bad things, when it is the most enjoyable show on TV. 

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  25. the dane16 April 2012 at 21:35

    I love Jon´s story aswell. I think this season is gonna be amazing for him. (well, it will really get better and better for ever season). Dany....not so much. You are right, this is not her best season.

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  26. Gregory Bryant Jr16 April 2012 at 22:16

    We have no right to complain? 

    I don't know about all that.  I think that a real fan of anything looks at the good and the bad. 

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  27. Ajlin16 April 2012 at 23:25

    Oh, I completely agree and I don't mind her scolding Shae. I was talking about how she was clearly *this close* to a breakdown and that's why my heart broke for her.

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  28. Ajlin16 April 2012 at 23:30

    THIS so much! I hate it when fandom gets pissed about people being critical. Just because you are a fan, that does not mean you automatically has to swallow everything like a mindless drone. Constructive criticism has never harmed anyone/-thing.

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  29. DarqueMode17 April 2012 at 00:13

    My first impression was that it felt like more of the same since she did it when she was empowered and now was doing it when she is helpless.Different circumstances, different rationale, but the same reaction as a result. 
    I saw her doing what she has done almost every time something does not go her way in the TV series - lash out. I completely understand why she did it and think the scene makes sense on that level. She is at the point of cracking, helpless and exerting power in the only way she can.... over an underling. I just could not overlook that is her go to move and not out of the norm for her. For example lashing out at her Septa or dad frequently.She was always a bit self-centered in the books, but she was usually respectful and tried to be a lady.... or play at being a lady. She liked the pomp and circumstance, but did not understand what all it entailed really. I always felt after her trials and tribulations in the books she would come out a better person and possibly a "true" lady. Hopefully she will on the series too...

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  30. DarqueMode17 April 2012 at 00:28

    Tyrion has a soft spot for broken things and outcasts, but I think even he has an understanding of propriety and it just feels wrong that he lets Shae get away with so much.

    Shae was being impudent to Sansa on a level no servant would be. That's on top of the fact she simply did not have the skill set to do the job.Shae was being impudent on a level no servant would be. That's on top of the fact she simply did not have the skill set to do the job.

    I think they may be making Shae less likable purposely to lessen the impact of future events on Tyrion's part. Not sure it makes me like her any better, but honestly I just don't care enough about her to dislike her either.....

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  31. Mia49417 April 2012 at 00:28

    What an awesome episode. I LOVED it.

    For a change, I liked the changes they've made to the book's story. Theon looks much more torn between Robb and his father than he ever seemed to me in the book, I like the doubts he's having. I always thought of him as a backstabbing ass, but the show makes him more likeable.

    I thought I'd hate Margaery cause she's so much different than in the books, but I actually enjoyed her scenes. I'm curious what direction they're gonna take the character, she's certainly intriguing.

    I LOVED the random Sansa scenes. I was actually shocked they made Shae her maid so soon, but I loved the awkward dynamic between them. Can't wait for Tyrion to have a scene with both ;) Also loved the scene with Cersei, mostly because Tommen and Myrcella actually got to say something and have some screen time. Also, some great acting from Sophie there. I know her Sansa is a little bit different than in the books, but I really don't mind. She's so tall and looks so grown up it would be weird to have her act like the 12-year-old from the books. Anyway, I really don't understand why people have issues with her. She acted like any lady would have. Shae was way too arrogant for a handmaiden, it was a normal lady-like reaction. I wish people would stop hating on Sansa cause they might overlook the awesome storylines and relationships she's gonna have in the future. Although, I fear she might get a shitload of hate after her future scenes with Tyrion, since he's many people's favourite.

    I also like the way they make Arya's story short - it doesn't seem rushed to me at all. Cannot wait for some more Jaqen scenes, I think the actor looks perfect for the role. Also loved the story Yoren told her about saying the Willem name like a prayer - nice way to introduce Arya's future "prayers". I also loved all the Tyrion scenes, he's so awesome, no wonder he's one of the few, if not the only character present in all episodes!

    All in all I absolutely loved the episode, maybe because the Stannis camp and the Daenerys camp weren't there and I like those storylines the least.

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  32. Mia49417 April 2012 at 01:09

    What I hate is that if there was a scene with Bran or Arya or Robb where they reprimend someone like that people would most likely go: "well done! acted like a boss!". But people are so prejudiced towards Sansa that they'd call her a spoiled brat every occasion they get, even when she doesn't deserve it.

    I always get emotional when people hate on Sansa, cause she's one of my favourite characters from the books. She's not perfect, yes, she makes mistakes and acts silly sometimes, but she's also a very complicated character and intriguing to follow. She's damn strong too, even though it might seem otherwise. Her storylines are amazing and her development quite fascinating. I do believe she might kick ass in the future.

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  33. the dane17 April 2012 at 06:55

    Sure we have the right. I also complained about Ros. I´m just saying that GoT is still one of my favorite shows and I think there is 90 % good, so it´s a shame there is so much focus on the bad. 

    I think Brienne was so awesome this week, Margery too, and Theon surpriced me for the better. The direwolf was fantastic once more and Tyrion was as good as he always is. That is where the focus should be. 

    I understand though. I complained about True Blood after every episode the past season too, because thought it got really bad. I guess you are just feeling the same about GoT. 

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  34. Gregory Bryant Jr17 April 2012 at 14:48

    We're in the same boat there.  I greatly dislike the adulation Arya gets for being an iconoclast, while Sansa is a plausible character in the world and she's treated like she's some kind of entitled bitch. 

    She's a realistic character who has to make pragmatic decisions to stay alive.  Alone in a hostile territory, of course she's going to be on edge while at the same time trying to appear as gracious as can be.  

    I personally think Sansa is a stronger character than Arya.  Arya runs away constantly, but Sansa weathers two books of abuse before she ends up in the hands of a very disturbing storyline.  She's basically the princess in the tower.  I disliked her in AGOT a little, but by the end I felt sorry for her and from then on I was rooting for her survival.  All in all, I think Sophie Turner does a good job with her. 

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  35. Gregory Bryant Jr17 April 2012 at 14:50

    Well, she's a child.  Lashing out will happen as she learns to become the lady Cersei kind of grooms her into with Catelyn's training as the basis.

    I found her chapters in the books to be far from self-centered though, because she was always trying to adapt and survive.  She's happiest when she's near [the "queen"], not because of the pomp but because she feels safe.  As for Shae, I don't think she was being unfair.

    I mean, if Shae had come in and honestly attempted to work and Sansa came down on her, sure she'd be exerting power over an underling.  But let's say this is the modern day and Shae got a job anywhere.  That attitude would get her reprimanded, period.  I don't think this had to do with her ladyship.  She was just frustrated she received an impudent servant.

    As for her future, I always see her as becoming very Machiavellian when she grows up. 

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  36. Gregory Bryant Jr17 April 2012 at 14:53

    I hope not, because in the book that scene was good since... you know, you don't expect it.  To lessen the impact may suck, but really Shae is just not a very good character on the television show.  

    I come away feeling nothing for her. They should have gotten a real actress.

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  37. Lissie_Bee22 April 2012 at 00:12

    The acting was fantastic, as usual. They found some phenomenal actors for this show, right down to the children. Arya and Bran continue to have some of my favorite scenes. Yoren's scene was very poignant as well. 

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