"It's the crux of the whole show," Goodwin says. "The curse was inflicted by the Evil Queen [Lana Parrilla], ultimately, to punish Snow White and to keep her from her favorite part of life, which was her true love, so it is going to continue."
We are grateful, however, to hear balance is coming.
"The fans were also clamoring for Sam and Diane to get together on Cheers and for Maddie and David to get together on Moonlighting," writer and consulting producer Jane Espenson says. "You [put them together] and it takes a lot of the air out of it. You've got to work very hard to keep the show going. So finding the right balance between what feels right and what the fans are asking for is the eternal tension."
"I think people will ultimately be satisfied with where Charming and Snow are headed," she says. "The relationship will mean more because of the obstacles that they overcome."
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So I'm taking it to mean the rumored David/Regina thing isn't happening. I think Kristin just guessed, as she always does, and will be wrong. I think Regina will only try to seduce him.
ReplyDeletehow did you get that out of the interview?
ReplyDeleteor maybe Regina does sleep with someone, just not David.
ReplyDeleteIt says fans will ultimately be satisfied. I don't think a lot of people would be if David and Regina had sex at one point.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't necessary mean that they don't have sex.
ReplyDeleteI would guess they said that because of the Season finale, you don't know what happens in between the upcoming episode.
Gotta say I lost interest in them. David is a douche and their story isn't moving forward at all. It's other characters that make me keep watching now.
ReplyDeleteI've never worried about Snow and Charming getting together. It's inevitable. It always was. I'm more concerned about whether or not the writers will ever really make Emma a worthy adversary for Regina and Gold. I'm getting a little tired of how she always stumbles ass-backward into success. I want to see a return of the sly, formidable Emma we were introduced to in the first three episodes of the series.
ReplyDeleteDavid's being affected by the curse. He wasn't a jerk before his "memories" returned in Gold's shop. He was fine and ready to be with Mary before that happened. The curse has completely fucked him up, and that's what it's meant to do.
ReplyDeleteI don't hate him for it.
Oh, I can see that happening, too. Definitely not out of the question.
ReplyDeleteExactly,thank your!
ReplyDeleteFor me my lack of interest has been in the complete nondevelopment of David's character--I feel like we know something about Charming, but David is just a placeholder love interest for MM with obstacles between her and a cardboard cutout that looks like Charming. David only exists as those obstacles--coma guy, married dude, missing girl's husband. Instead of them getting to know each or having any tension interaction, we're told everything--they have great chemistry, but it isn't coming organically from the show it's forced on them by their true identities. But in the end, they won't be together and happy until the very end (if then with some of these producers xD), so what's the point in getting all excited/invested now? Whatever they give us, they are just going to rip away anyhow. Maybe I'm pessimistic. Plus the entire show is made up of couples that can't be happy. So it's pretty easy to start rooting for the others that might stand a chance of actually happening.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree! They really need to make Emma smarter and feistier and more independent. I feel like there is definitely room for MM to grow also--Snow kicked some butt--which might even happen, cause she went all UFC on Jefferson.
ReplyDeleteI agree! Emma is still my favourite character but she was so awesome at the beginning and lately we've only been getting tiny glimpses of that. I wish she would start thinking for herself and not need so much help from other people.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind the obstacles but if the E! Online SPOILER is right and if David has with Regina I will stop watching. Though David is affected with the curse, the writers keep telling us that TRUE LOVE conquers all. If David sleeps with Regina, then that true love thing and he being charming is totally bogus.TRUE LOVE has nothing to do with bitching. If David has sex with Regina, even loving MaryMargaret , There is NO TRUE LOVE.
ReplyDeleteSnow and Charming are my reason to be a fan of the show. Withouth their epic love story I would watch the show, but sometimes.
ReplyDeleteBUT, writers can't do David sleeps with Regina. CANT DO. I was OK with Katherine "fake-wife" plot (there are betters plots, but well, not the worst and coherent with the curse), but if they make David an idiot sleeping with the enemy...I'm done with the show. I don't care if he is drugged, cursed, sleeping....I'M DONE. He has to show some Charming qualities soon or people will lose interest in the love story, and this must not happen. Please, writers, don't ruin the love story, PLEASE, I BEG YOU¡
I love David. I think his actions are coherent with the curse. But NOW he has to show some Charming qualities. One season with David being non-charming is enough. It's time to be a prince again. David sleeping with Regina (although he is cursed and bla bla bla) would ruin the show, the character and the love story.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing dragging it out and not putting them together will accomplish is making the fans not care anymore.
ReplyDeleteCompletely agreed with what was said in the article. Especially what Jane Espenson said about obstacles making relationship more precious and beautiful.
ReplyDeleteShe is great at getting relationships right with just the right amount of messy. I still worship her for having a hand in creating Spike/Buffy and for her work on BSG and Lost. She is known for making love pairings realistic epic and flawed, but ultimately satisfying.
Regina sleeps with David or does not - that doe snot matter. The thing that matters is the aftermath and how Snow and Charming overcome it.
As for that small part of fanbase who just wants them to get together already- let me ask you this: AND THEN WHAT? Perfect relationships are boring and such things usually are left to the end of the show or never happen. IF Charming and Snow suddenly solved all problems and became happy, one of them most likely would get killed.
its far more enjoyable to watch all the angst and how the pairing overcomes the roadblocks in their relationship than just watching them happy for 5-9 seasons.
I think there are some clear parallels being drawn between Emma and Regina and Emma might have the whole "temptation of power" storyline down the road.
ReplyDeleteWe had them both share similar scene with Rumple/Gold:
1x02:
Rumpelstiltskin: How far are you willing to go?
Regina: As far as it takes.
1x15
Gold: Are you willing to go as far as it takes?
Emma: further.
Then you have the obvious fact that Snow White asking for Rumpelstiltskin's help to kill the queen is clearly paralleled with Emma's alliance with him to bring down Regina(Gold/Rumple even uses the exact same phrase of "now we're talking dearie").
Add to that that Gold used the "I know how to recognize a desperate soul" phrase towards Emma. The phrase Dark One used towards him and we all know the path Gold took after obtaining power.
And through the currently aired episodes we can clearly see Emma's "good guy" methods being countered by Regina and Emma doing The decision she refused to do few episodes ago - joining forces with Gold.
Her story, i'd say, has a HUGE potential in that.
If that will happens it's shameful they continue to proclaim the 'true love' when promiscuity's shadow hangs over Snow / Charming
ReplyDeleteIf that will happens it's shameful they continue to proclaim the 'true love' when promiscuity's shadow hangs over Snow / CharmingThis is called a family "tv-show ' right?
ReplyDeleteI wonder how will we explain to our children, that David had sex with Mary's stepmother?
`ITS not A FAMILY SHOW. It does not air on ABC FAMILY.
ReplyDeleteIts no more of a family show than Revenge is and so far OUAT already juggled themes like rape, murder, blackmail, etc. :)
Not to mention that show also was set in sort of gray-morality setting with no real clear white and black, but with shades of gray.
Just because its about fairytales, it does not make it family show :)
I think it is always hard to find a balance between prolonging the inevitable and making viewers hate you and adding new reasonable obstacles that make you cheer for them more and make you want to watch the show more.
ReplyDeleteDownton Abbey did a brilliant job at this. Many American shows don't. (don't want to name names and bad-mouth people's favorite shows).
The writers of OUAT have an especially hard time, because they are dealing with fairy tale characters. You can't keep Snow White and Prince Charming apart!!
Where does this notion that it's a "family show" come from? It deals with seriously dark topics and has included adult themes since episode one. People need to get a grip. This show has shown and implied things so much worse than two adults having sex. You can hate the fact that they're not supporting your ship all you want, but this "family show" argument doesn't hold any ground.
ReplyDeleteHonestly I am so over MM and David and this whole Snow White/Prince Charming thing.
ReplyDeleteMad Hatter, Rumpel and Belle is all that matters to me on this show anymore...
Before talk....Before you defend your views, you need to informbetter.
ReplyDeleteABC promoted ONCE UPON A TIME as a family show. If you look on youtube, there are many promo which ABC promoted IT that way.
indeed IF ONCE UPON A TIME is for adults then they need to change the time that goes on TV.
Once Upon a Time began with great quality, but I hope they do not go after the soap operas and mischaracterize what is true love or fidelity, using excuses like a curse already bored.
It's a little subjective.
ReplyDeleteThe last Harry Potter film was also a "family" event, and it featured someone getting stabbed in the heart, one of the main characters being tortured, countless murders, a full on war and themes like "prison internment camps" for children who happened to be born to the wrong family.
Once Upon a Time has always told stories somewhere between Disney and the Grimm brothers. I don't think sex is off bounds. I don't think it will be getting graphic, but it has a place.
I am pretty sure I have seen every promo and there's nothing where its promoted as family show.
ReplyDeleteThe show already dealt with rape, beheadings, blackmail, hearts getting ripped out, people getting spears through their chests, a whole field of dead bodies and other stuff.
Its a family-friendly show. Which means you won't have Adult-only content like full sex scenes or outright gore. But its not "family show". Its not educational its not for children and its not a fairytale.
And they already established what is a true love, that whole spoiler does not contradict their established understanding. True love is something to be sought after and fought for. Something, however that does not forbid those who have it from making mistakes and botching the situation(example Rumple loosing Belle) or outright not getting a happy ending (Regina).
True Love in this show has always been portrayed as chaotic force that needs to held on to and that is a motivation of overcoming roadblocks.
The sex thing is nothing else but yet another roadblock and I do not really see why someone would make a huge deal out of it. Its not like Mary Margaret and David are married. they are not. They have no real logical connection. hell, by that point, they might be in worse state than we have left them before haitus.
And Regina to him is JUST another normal woman. A woman with whom he already has some sort of bond. Its not surprising that such a possibility exists.
Why is this suddenly such a big deal? Because people are jumping to the conclusion that David may have sex with someone other than Mary Margaret and they don't like that? Because sex has been implied numerous times before and I don't remember people being worried about it before.
ReplyDeleteAlso i find it funny how more rabid part of fanbase keeps blowing this out of proportion. If we were to follow their definition of love, I guess the "true love" died and the world has ended after Mary Margaret had an one night stand with Dr.Whale.
ReplyDeleteIts no different really.Its just sex. Something they will need to overcome, but its really NOT the end of the world.
Borednow,Can you respect other opinion?
ReplyDeleteThanks
I agree that the show shouldn't be considered a "family" show now, but the first few episodes certainly started out as more of a family show (content-wise). I read somewhere that it IS a family show in the sense that ratings-wise it is a show that families tend to watch.
ReplyDeleteI'm torn on this. On the one hand, I like them delving into darker topics, but on the other hand I think it is good for the show (in the sense that more people will watch it) if it stays a "family show".
As Joss Whedon once said, "I'd rather have a show that a hundred people NEED to see than a show that a thousand people want to see"
ReplyDeleteYou can't please everyone. Quality is not made by trying to please the quantity.
The show has already established its gray morality setting and thematics and Mary Margaret has already had an one night stand(which no one seems to even complain about). Mary Margaret and David are not "bound" by any sort of law or vow. They are two free people who are in love but that does not mean they are in celibacy for each other.
One can debate on whether its a good writing or bad writing and imo its a good writing and a very interesting plot device, which, if executed correctly offers some juicy storylines.
However the argumentation that "the plotline is bad because I do not like it" just does not fly.
The show has already established that it will take fairytales and retell and twist them in a more realistic manner. You don't like it? Well, thats your problem. I am sure many people will continue to enjoy the show, its plotlines, characters, developments and twists it offers, as well as the pay off of the main pairing getting through those roadblocks, long after you decide to not watch it.
Oh so I guess there is no true love since, oh I don't know, Mary Margaret already had an one night stand with Dr.Whale.
ReplyDeleteCan fandom just stop overreacting? Its just sex. its not an end of the world and how Snow/Charming gets through that plot line is fascinating and I can't wait to see that.
The only reason I hate here is you wanting to assert your opinion above all that are different from your opinion!
ReplyDeleteSome opinions scare me ... I understand not everybody is a Snowing fan (it's coherent, everybody has their favourites), as I'm not, for example, a RumBelle fan (I didn't like their story, sorry). But now if they show Belle flirting, kissing or sleeping with someone (not Rumpel)....O_O It's the same wth David and Regina. Can you imagine in season 2 Eric with Ursula? Philips and Maleficient? They are not common couples, they are fairy tales couples and writers have to know that. And yes, the show is a FAMILY SHOW, whatever some boring people (Borednow) say: Sunday, at 8 PM,producers had said it...That doesn't mean they can't show dark plots, but moderately. Charming sleeping, having an affair or something sexual with Regina is too much. Not only for kids, for viewers and fans too. I'm not saying David and Mary have to be together NOW, but there are smarter plots to keep them apart. And please, I know he uis cursed and I was ok with fake-marriage plot, but now David has to show some charming qualities or people are gonna hate him. Remember, viewers angry = they stop watching = ratings dropping = no more seasons. Sorry my english, guys¡
ReplyDeleteGood point about the Mary Margaret and Dr. Whale one night stand!
ReplyDeleteI'm glad the show's not one giant vanilla fairytale. I want them to take a closer to real life approach. It's what makes it so interesting.
I think they have to start giving the character of David some back bone and moral fibre he has become such a drip and a real whinger. If he just turns around and does the nasty with Regina when he is supposedly madly in love with Mary Margaret, that would just add sleasy to his list. She should dump him big time then. Sorry but you can't flog a dead horse! He needs to be a hero!!
ReplyDeleteYeah, I wasn't happy with MM and Whale, but they didn't show us that, it was just one sentence in one mini-scene. Nothing important or disturbing. And it hadn't importance in the plot.
ReplyDeleteRegina + David would have magnitude and they wouldn't show just a quote, but yes a scene (weird scene).
I don't want the characters singing in the forest and being happy. Why you say that? It's not black or white.
The show can be a bit dark without being a cheap soap opera. David and Regina is awful, soap opera, disgusting, weird, annoying...
Exactly. He has done enough mistakes (because the curse, I understand it and I'm ok with that), but it's time to change, to show David as a hero and as a man fighting for his true love.
ReplyDeleteWe don't even know yet what'll happen. People are jumping to conclusions based on Kristin's speculation and a line from a mini-synopsis. I don't get this freak-out because it's based on no solid facts. Just speculation and interpretation. As long as I don't know for sure what'll happen I'm not gonna judge the writing.
ReplyDeleteYou are right, but it's logical people are scared. The mini-synopsis is official, and this "tries to seduce" is awful (although nothing happens, I find the plot cheap) and then......the spoiler..............I can't :/
ReplyDelete"You [put them together] and it takes a lot of the air out of it"
ReplyDeleteI hate it when writers use this argument... I HATE IT!!! Because it is so not true!
I am sorry but you are coming off as quite hypocritical in this post.
ReplyDeleteI always respect opinions. Hence why I treat them seriously and debate them properly presenting counter-arguments.
And well, OUAT has no problem will ratings. They obviously are doing everything right. And part of that "doing everything right" is NOT letting the vocal minority control show's direction.
It was of the same importance as it negates most of what those protesting the regina plotline seem to use as arguments against it.
ReplyDeleteSnow and/or charming having sex with someone else does not suddenly make their true NOT exist.
David and Mary Margaret are not married pair., they have nothing truly connecting them in real world and their "relationship" is not exactly at its highest right now(and we do not know how low it goes in 1x19 as Mary Margaret is obviously angry at him).
There's nothing gamebreaking about hurt, depressed, possibly drunk, David possibly sleeping with Regina, with whom he already has formed a bond of sorts. Not to mention he has no idea of her true face and her true intentions.
Its just another road block they have to work around it, another thing that tests their love and the guilt and conflict that arises for him from this situation might be exactly what is needed for his character development that people somehow seem to think is missing.
Sometimes to rediscover your best, you need to experience your worst.
You are a troll, right?
ReplyDeleteWell yes obviously, since anyone who disagrees with you is a "troll" nowadays.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm no fan of the "moonlighting curse" argument either.
ReplyDeleteBut even if I did buy it, this is not a show about their relationship. It isn't even the most important relationship on the show, that would be Emma and Henry. There's so much else going on that if even if that tension did disappear, it would be easy to write their relationship into the background and not have their drama be the focus of their characters.
Excuse me? Snow and Charming are the romance in the show. Much more important than Emma and Henry.
ReplyDeleteThe romance of the show? Sure.
ReplyDeleteMore important than Emma and her kid? No. The pilot, the major swing episodes - everything centers around Emma and that relationship was the one that needed to work from square one.
This is not a show built around one romantic pairing the same way something like Moonlighting was or Castle is.
I don't think there is a primary relationship for Emma. She's trying to find her family and her place in the world, and break the curse--Charming, Snow, and Henry are all her family. But, Henry's been gone for episodes and episodes, and isn't that plot necessary (which is lucky cause that kid is growing fast). I would definitely hesitate to say that the emotional conflict of the show is rooted in a Mother/Son bond with Emma and Henry. There just isn't much tension there, and he doesn't have that big of a role besides carrying around that book. It's not like she's trying and failing to get him back. Right now he acts more like a plot device than anything else. IMO Emma has to get her life in order and deal with some major parent issues before she feels fit to take on a parental role. I don't think the character as written has a major mothering jones.
ReplyDeleteI would argue that the primary romance is David/MM. There are secondary fairytale romances (Cinderella, Belle, Grumpy, etc.) and there will probably continue to be more of those. But the primacy of the David/MM pair is heightened by the family role they play with Emma. Without it the show wouldn't go on.
Moonlighting and Castle didn't/don't entirely rely on a romantic pairing. They were/are procedurals at heart. The sexual tension was/is a way to amp up the relationship between the main characters. The romantic pair of Snow/Charming is integral to OUAT because the fairytales it is built off of are inherently love stories.
I for one think the spoiler is just to amp up drama. But on a theory level--
ReplyDeleteIt's not about promiscuity. It's about sleeping with a mortal enemy. Regina isn't some chick in town. She's the villain. Bad guy. Antagonist. EVIL. David could sleep with Red and no one would care this much.
You keep perpetuating a theory that road blocks are all inherently good plot devices and they aren't. Plot devices have to fit within an acceptability matrix that doesn't undermine the audience's ability to like a character. One or a thousand. There are only so many heartbreaks an audience is willing to take. With so many villains on a show if you make David "his worst" it will be hard to pull him back to "hero." It's actually why I could give a crap about Rumple/Belle. He's evil. She's silly. I don't care what happens to them. But they are secondary and the writers can take more liberties with losing audience support. David and MM aren't, and they can't.
I have to give you credit,lord knows you tried,but they just don't want to hear it.Their eyes and minds are completely rejecting everything you have to say.I'm sorry your not going to get anywhere with certain people here,but they shouldn't be rude and downright nasty to you either! Obliviously they don't know how to be level headed,or civilized.The one thing that made me laugh was calling you a troll..... :)
ReplyDeleteFact she slept with Dr. Whale once, while David slept all nights with Katryn.
ReplyDeleteTo stay on equal if David sleeping with Regina Mary would have to sleep with Mr Goldright?So the erotic film will be complete right?
This. So much. I wholeheartedly agree. I do enjoy seeing their obstacles. There's nothing better proving true love than overcoming all that life (and Evil Queens) can throw at you. It's like life. True love isn't all fluff and happily ever afters. Good relationships take work... and in a show like this, it takes hell of a lot of fighting. And I enjoy seeing that. I don't know how I'd feel if they had been together just simply not remembering who they are. It's boring.
ReplyDeleteAlso, maybe it's just me, but I for example totally love seeing Ginny Goodwin and Josh Dallas act out all those scenes that break your heart. "Get.Out." for example. It makes watching the show worth it.
As for fan reaction, I definitely think, too, that it's massive overraction. Granted I don't like this either but only because I personally find it cliché. Regina did just fine so far, why sleep with someone? I desperately hope it will turn out interesting at least. But I think the real reason why people are freaking out is not that David (might) sleep with *someone* but that he will sleep with *Regina*, THAT's why people are freaking out.
And I'm like... well, I love Regina, she's by far the most interesting character on the show to me, but if I look at it from the point of view of Snow/Charming (and I do love them together), if it does come true, I will just laugh and think well hey, David/James can say that he tapped that and still prefers Snow in the end. So yeah. It's just sex.
I have always felt the most important relationship on this show is not actually not a romantic one at all but the relationship between Regina/EQ and MM/Snow. I mean we wouldn't have the curse at all if it wasn't for these two. And Sundays episode just made me feel that I am completely right in thinking it.
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