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Supernatural - Episode 7.17 - The Born-Again Identity - Sneak Peek

17 Mar 2012

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155 comments:

  1. Elena Wonderland17 March 2012 at 22:58

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!MY BRAIN IS MELTING!!!!!!!SAMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !@#$%^&*()(*&^%$#$%^& :'((((( WHY CAN'T IT BE FRIDAY NOW!??!?!

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  2. Ally717 March 2012 at 23:00

    :( aaaaaaaaawwwww Poor Sammy

    Seriously, I had a crush on Luci all season long, but in this clip I just want to slap him -_-

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  3. chris68417 March 2012 at 23:03

    Why can't the doctors put Sam out through drugs?   The logic of this storyline is just getting harder and harder to follow.  Sam suffers a huge trauma but the only symptom he has is hallucinations.  He learns to manage his psychosis by pressing on his palm.  That stops working for him one day when he tells his vision to shut up.  Now he can't sleep because he can't shut off the voice, and he's going to die because apparently the doctors can't sedate him, or induce a coma.

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  4. Nikki17 March 2012 at 23:10

     Doctor always suck on TV.lol

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  5. Ally717 March 2012 at 23:10

    I've been wondering this last episode too, why can't he take sleep pills or something? I guess we'll see, maybe we'll have some explanations next week^^;

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  6. MarissaAO17 March 2012 at 23:17

    asdfghjkertyhujiklrcvbnm,erdctgvyhnbuiomp,[tcf njkml

    AAAAAAUUUUGGGHHH I have no words. Jesus. OMG I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS EPISODE

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  7. Justine Kubica17 March 2012 at 23:32

    This is absolutely heartbreaking. Less than 2 minutes and I just wanna cry. "I'm too tired" Sammy! He's dying and it's crushing my heart, and DEAN'S! Poor thing, everyone is dying around him and it looks like he just can't stop this. I wish SO MUCH that he'll find a cure, some kind of miracle...

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  8. Alexandra Fröhlich17 March 2012 at 23:33

     The whole Sam/Hell Storyline is for me really hard to follow. When I just take that scene we see here.........uh I thought he went nuts, or something. But he is reacting just fine. Yes of course we don´t know yet what happend before that. But I am confused because Sam tells here, he will probably die.........Could it be, that this Luci/Hallu thingy in his head, caused something physical, like a braintumor?! This is just a thought.....
    Also I never got it, why the boys didn´t looked into something that might helped with the wall. At least we never saw, anything like that. So it looks for me, that Dean simple didn´t care that much. Sam was breating, eating and talking.......so that was fine with Dean. I don´t wanna say that Dean didn´t care, but in my eyes he totally ignored that problem.....well at least until now, cause now it bites in his nice bum ;)

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  9. Lissie_Bee17 March 2012 at 23:42

    This was great!  Poor Sammy... And I kind of love what they've done with Lucifer - I guess I expected him to come back and be all "rawwwwwr" but he's just snarky and kind of hilarious.  

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  10. LaurienWinkel17 March 2012 at 23:43

    Ok, that's it. I'm going to put myself in a drug induced coma and not wake up until this ep airs.
    Sammy looks so broken & lost and ready to give up the battle. And Dean's struggle to keep positive when alls signs read bad, it's just heartbreaking. And I'm so immensely curious what made them decided it was best for Sam to seek professional help and maybe even more curious to know how they are going to get Sam out of the woods. 
    For a second I was worried that Mark P. wouldn't star in the ep, since he wasn't in the last. But thank God he's there to intensify Sams story-line! 
    Did I say already that I can't wait any longer? 

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  11. Bec66617 March 2012 at 23:47

    This episode is going to kill me.... Dean needs to be there big time for Sammy

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  12. KatHale17 March 2012 at 23:51

    It's official,I absolutely adore this Lucifer...

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  13. LaurienWinkel17 March 2012 at 23:51

    That's not far of a strech to think. My sister and best friend are both Schizophrenic too, and they too hear voices and see people at times. My sister is fighting it with meds, which sometimes work and sometimes don't. But my friend actually decided against all meds. 
    Sam never liked drugs (see Mannequin 3) I think he's accepted his faith and is tired of stalling it. Sedating him, will eventually only prolong his suffering. I'm not saying he's suicidal. But as he said himself:  he's just tired. 

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  14. Mekina17 March 2012 at 23:54

    OMG! I don't know if I will even enjoy this episode, or if it will be amazing or awful or what, but this SCENE. I JUST. I DON'T EVEN, OMG.  Sam with his breakdown finally, locked up in a mental hospital and with problems and looking all beat up and with issues!! Faith reference! Sam using Dean's line, "I'm tired,", LUCIFER OMG LUCIFER. DID NOT KNOW HE WOULD BE BACK, I LOVE MARK P AS LUCIFER I SO DOOOOO, Dean is worried and frantic, Sam is weary and messed up, "Screw Cas," omg it's win.

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  15. Dahne17 March 2012 at 23:55

    Poor Sam.  He seems so dejected.  This episode is going to be one big OUCH!

    I do like that Lucifer is providing some comic relief.  I like him so much more now that he is in Sam's mind.

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  16. Dahne18 March 2012 at 00:00

    Good question.  I'm not sure why he can't sleep when he was obviously asleep at the wheel in the last episode.  Also, is it just the lack of sleep that Sam thinks is going to kill him or is there something else at play?  I too have a hard time believing that the doctors (and his own body) aren't forcing him to sleep if that is the only thing.

    My other question is what happened to his arm.  Did he get hurt in a hunt or did he do something in a hallucination that ended up with him harming himself?  This is really the only way I see Dean agreeing to a mental hospital.  I do see him leaving Sam in said hospital if he has to in order to find a cure.

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  17. MarissaAO18 March 2012 at 00:04

    OMG, that's the same room as that photo that Misha tweeted from set a while ago, where Misha was sitting on the bed wearing the same outfit that Sam's wearing in the clip. 

    WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?!?!?!?!

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  18. V_s18 March 2012 at 00:05

    Is Lucifer doing Jacob's Ladder with the yarn? That would be a fun reference if so.

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  19. Alexandra Fröhlich18 March 2012 at 00:06

     You do mean his hand, right? Well I guess because it is the same hand he has his scar. He could have cut it open again, to stuff Lucifer back.
    Sam said the scar didn´t work anymore, but when you think about it, it was never the wound who helped, it was simple the pain, when he pushed onto it.
    Maybe we will see some intense stuff........I am really hoping for it. Because the Samplot was for me for to long to low. I need some classic hurt/comfort stuff!!!

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  20. LaurienWinkel18 March 2012 at 00:15

    Probably means Misha likes to play dress-up and confuse the heck out of us :-)

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  21. Sybilla7518 March 2012 at 00:18

    Awww damn, with this little scene I already got emotional, this episode is gonna be a killer T___T Poor boys... Can't wait for next firday!

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  22. MarissaAO18 March 2012 at 00:37

    I hope so. 

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  23. Ally718 March 2012 at 00:40

    Sam does seem to have a bandage on his arm too (its hidden by his hand for most of it). Maybe that's what Dahne wanted to say

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  24. Ally718 March 2012 at 00:41

     that doesn't sound like Misha.....ooohhh wait.......;P Just a *little*..a big *little*, ih ih :-)

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  25. Nikita Ahn18 March 2012 at 00:47

    FINALLY!  Some Sam action!  *happy dance!*  I want to know how he got all busted up, though!  Hopefully we get a lot more scenes like this one, and more glimpses inside Sam's head.  Poor baby, he looks so despondent and tired and busted up.  Also, I hope that the "you really think there's some magical cure out there" (paraphrasing) line isn't foreshadowing for, you know, a MAGICAL CURE.  I don't want poor Sam bat-crap crazy for life, but it would be nice to see this plot carried on in some form since it's the only interesting thing Sam's had going on all season. Now I'm getting excited for next week!  

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  26. Jimi Sturges18 March 2012 at 00:51

    Sammy back in the Insane Ward Lucifer is funny as hell lol...

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  27. Nikki18 March 2012 at 01:01

     Yeah and in some cases medication makes it worst.
    I think Sam is tired too but it's up to Dean to keep him going.
    Dean was/is going threw he's give up phase too,so it's important for the bros to have a support system.

    They both been to hell now that's alot for one to take.

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  28. numer0six18 March 2012 at 02:44

    God Sam look so lost and desesperate.
    I have that sudden urge to head-butt lucifer!
    And Dean, how does he keep fighting when everyone around him is dead or dying...

    the angsometer is going to explode :-p

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  29. numer0six18 March 2012 at 02:45

     I like that explanation. It make sense.

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  30. Keyleen18 March 2012 at 02:47

    Gawds, more whiny Sam? Just die already and spare us from your whines!

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  31. numer0six18 March 2012 at 02:54

    Sam : "stop doing this to yourself!"
    Sam doesn't blame his brother.
    He think there is no cure and he doesn't want his brother to go on a wild goose chase and being all guilt and anger about it.
    Even in his state he is worried for Dean.
    That's how I understood Sam reaction.

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  32. C P18 March 2012 at 02:56

    I think so. I noticed it too. I have seen other people doing it when I was a kid.

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  33. numer0six18 March 2012 at 02:59

    No way, he's such a serious guy.
    Meaning business and giving thoughfull  answers in conventions
    :-D

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  34. C P18 March 2012 at 02:59

    What the heck are you talking about? He's not whining. His life is in danger here.

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  35. CyanaT18 March 2012 at 03:15

    Claps! Well stated. Sam does not blame Dean; he just stated factually that Dean had been warned about what might happen to Sam's mind and body if his mangled soul was put back in. Sam has accepted his fate - he's dying and doesn't want Dean to feel guilt and anger at himself about doing what Dean felt he had to do.  Plus as you also said, Sam doesn't want Dean searching for miracle cures, because the boys know from experience there's "no such thing as miracles" - "Supernatural Beings" are behind every miracle, usually nasty ones who exact payment in some way or another. 

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  36. CyanaT18 March 2012 at 03:19

    I've never seen "Jacob's Ladder" but I ought to at some point. Lucifer is making what we called a "Cat's Cradle" with the string. 

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  37. JMC0018 March 2012 at 03:24

    Well that's a nice surprise. After all the Castiel talk, it turns out Hallucifer is in the episode. 

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  38. Debbie Combs18 March 2012 at 03:25

     It sounded to me like he was blaming the fact that he was Lucifer's dog bowl (or whatever that quote was).I didn't hear "why didn't you just leave me in Hell", I heard that his problem is that he was Lucifer's dog bowl. Sounds like he is saying that he is garbage and for Dean to just let him go.

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  39. Ally718 March 2012 at 04:07

    :-D Of course he is! There's no reason to believe he wasn't serious when he talked about the love relationship between Cass and the trenchcoat! ih ih

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  40. Amber J Gardner18 March 2012 at 04:08

    My prediction: Castiel saves Sam by taking in all of Sam's damage into himself, making himself insane and saving Sam.

    ....Maybe? XD

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  41. C P18 March 2012 at 04:35

    I'm really happy about that. Halllucifer makes things...even more interesting. 

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  42. KatAdams0318 March 2012 at 04:43

    Exactly!  I have no idea where someone can get the idea that Sam is blaming Dean for the situation or getting him out of Hell. It's not Dean's fault and Sam has never blamed him. 

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  43. brianna armstrong18 March 2012 at 05:15

    waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah :(  poor sammy and poor dean!! this is going to be a major emotional episode for both boys @!#$!% cant wait for friday!

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  44. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 05:46

     But the bandage isn't on his hand. It's wrapped around his wrist and that alone concerns me... did Sam get hurt because of the Lucifer hallucination? Did he fall somewhere? Did he get into a fight with somebody? Did he harm himself...?

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  45. Chandler Redding18 March 2012 at 05:52

    I don't understand (probably because I stopped watching when Cas turned into a douche). Is this whole problem based on Sam remembering his time in hell? Because Dean spent 30 years down there, personally tortured by the badass Alistar and came back just fine (was already looking at porn a few minutes later lol). So this whole thing can't be based off Castiel breaking the barriers in Sam's mind?

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  46. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 05:58

    Because when Dean came back from Hell, most of it was blacked out except for flashes here and there. It was the episode, Yellow Fever, that brought back Dean's Hell torture into full-blown PSTD, so Dean really wasn't just fine. Yeah, Dean spent 30 years in Hell being tortured by Alistair and then another 10 doing the torturing himself. Sam spent 180 years locked in the cage with Lucifer, the father of the demonic race, Devil/Satan in the flesh. I apologize, but Sam got it much worse than Dean did... But yes, this has to do with Cas breaking down Sam's wall. Sam is royally screwed now because of it. If Cas had never touched Sam, I think Sam would continue to be just fine.

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  47. skeptical_inquirer18 March 2012 at 06:04

     No, he's safely in an institution.  God knows when it was Dean suffering from hell's effects, he was called a whiny princess and told boohoo.  So I'm not all broken up about Sam's suffering since we all know it'll all be magicked away just in time so he can save the world again all by himself.

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  48. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 06:08

    I'm getting the feeling here that you didn't like it when Sam saved the world in S5? xD You sound a bit bitter, dear.

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  49. ravenclawwit18 March 2012 at 06:26

    Oooh this looks good. I actually liked the "Screw Cas" line since it's obvious foreshadowing that they're probably going to need his help to fix Sam. I'm not quite sure I understand why Sam is in a mental institution (that's where it looks like he is), since nobody there can help him since his crazy is of supernatural origins. Maybe he did something to get himself involuntarily committed. Would explain the cuts on his face.

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  50. ravenclawwit18 March 2012 at 06:34

    I think Dean had it pretty awful in hell, and he was definitely not really "fine" when he came back. But I think we can surmise that Sam had it slightly worse. He wasn't just in hell. He was in a pit with Lucifer and Michael and they both took out all their rage on him. To me the show definitely made it clear last season that whatever he went through was somehow more soul destroying than what Dean went through, even though that was horrible enough.

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  51. ravenclawwit18 March 2012 at 06:40

    "If Cas had never touched Sam, I think Sam would continue to be just fine."

    I just don't think there's any evidence for that. Yes Cas cracked the barrier in Sam's mind, but honestly I
    think it was going to come down sooner or later anyways and I think Sam
    knows that, especially given his comments in this very video. Even
    Death seemed to intimate that last season when he put the wall up in the
    first place. Sam was already having problems before Castiel did anything to him.

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  52. skeptical_inquirer18 March 2012 at 06:45

     I think it's hilarious that when it comes down to it, you pretty much admit that you think SAM saved the world all by himself and drop the bi-bro crap. 

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  53. skeptical_inquirer18 March 2012 at 06:46

     Then the person we should REALLY feel sorry for is Adam because he's still down there then.  Perhaps Adam should come back and talk for episodes on length about how he, not Sam, is the one who suffered the most in the world.

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  54. ravenclawwit18 March 2012 at 06:50

    I agree. I said below that while Cas did crack the wall, I really think it was inevitable either way. That doesn't totally excuse what Cas did of course, but Sam's wall was going to come down sooner or later anyways, and he seems to acknowledge as much in the clip above. You can't throw someone in a pit with the devil and a pissed archangel for a 100 years and expect them to come out and be able to be fine forever.  Even Death seemed to imply as much when he put up the wall in the first place.

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  55. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 06:51

    If it honestly makes you feel better to say that, then by all means, but where have I ever once stated or implied that? It was you who did genius.

    "So I'm not all broken up about Sam's suffering since we all know it'll
    all be magicked away just in time so he can save the world again all by
    himself."

    Your words, sugar. Not mine. I was just mocking you, but Sam played the biggest role in saving the world from the apocalypse. It's not my fault you think you need to have a tantrum and turn it into a brother war because your precious Dean doesn't get ever single thing to himself. Grow up.

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  56. skeptical_inquirer18 March 2012 at 06:52

     It comes off as "You can't do anything to help because you're Dean and can't do anything."   Come on, this is coming from the same brother who leaves Dean over monster girls and please, Dean was ripped on for "whining" too much by both Sam and Bobby when he came back from Hell.  Funny, how there's no "tough love" when it's Sammy's turn. 

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  57. ravenclawwit18 March 2012 at 06:58

    I'm not really sure what you're getting at. Yeah Adam is probably in rough shape as well. But he's not a major character on this show, and as of yet nobody has bothered to think of a way to get him out since he chose to be Michael's vessel. Also I really don't think Sam does talk about how he's "suffered the most in the world". But an episode that does deal with the full effects of the wall in his head coming down is kind of needed. I have a feeling I'm stepping into the middle of some Sam fan/Dean fan nonsense here about who gets more "screen time", which is a thing that makes me really roll my eyes, tbh. And I say this as someone who has always preferred Dean as a character.

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  58. ravenclawwit18 March 2012 at 07:26

    It doesn't come off that way. It just doesn't. I'm way more of a Dean fan than a Sam fan, but no matter how many times I watch this clip I don't hear him blaming Dean or doubting Dean at all. He's acknowledging that a) the natural consequences of being in a pit with the devil and a pissed archangel are that you come out (maybe) irreparably broken, "walls" be damned, and that b) the nature of the world they know and live in suggests that the only "cures" would either be outright lies or carry worse consequences than the ailment. He's not doubting whether DEAN can help him. He's doubting whether ANYONE could help him.

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  59. pinkphoenix198518 March 2012 at 07:50

    I thought that the scene slightly reflected that of S1's Faith. Back then, both boys weren't as bone-weary and broken despite Dean's heart condition and so Sam had the resolve to fight for him. In this scene, I think that it is obvious that Dean knows that Sam is weary about fighting/being healed--he has accepted it (even though Sam hasn't said that--it relates more to what Dean thinks and feelings) and they both seem broken. Despite this, I have no doubt that Dean will do whatever he can to fix Sam. 

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  60. Nikita Ahn18 March 2012 at 08:07

    Wow, bitter much?  We've had a whole season of Dean being emo and talking about how tired/burnt-out/etc he is - do you think he was being "whiny" too, are are you just throwing a hissy fit over someone other than Dean getting some focus?  Obviously Sam isn't going to die (at least no permanently) so you're just going to have to deal with it or change the channel. 

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  61. Nikita Ahn18 March 2012 at 08:15

    Wow, who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?  Every comment you're making is just whining about Sam and character-bashing him.  You clearly hate Sam and you seem to be projecting your own bitterness into his character, which is silly.  Sam has faith in Dean, he's just resigned to his fate because he's tired and depressed and doesn't think that anything can save him.  Also note how he says "stop doing this to yourself" to Dean - clearly an expression of caring.  No one is "beating" Dean here, though you're doing more than your fair share of "beating" Sam.  We get it - you're not a fan of Sam and you want to make Dean out to be some sort of ever-victimized martyr.  Stop projecting your hatred of Sam into the show and reading into things that aren't there - it just makes you look like a troll.  This season has been one Dean ep after another, and Sam is finally getting a turn - deal with it or stop watching, but no one wants to hear you throw a tantrum over it and bash the show and characters. 

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  62. Nikita Ahn18 March 2012 at 08:17

    Are you serious?  What clip are YOU watching? You obviously have some sort of "Dean is a martyr and everyone is attacking him" lens through which you see the world.

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  63. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 08:33

     Hey, Nikita. Just ignore her. This person goes everywhere whining about how terrible Dean has it and hating on Sam anytime anything remotely revolves around him no matter if it's a big or small reason.

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  64. Max Alexandrow18 March 2012 at 08:38

    Awww, you guys are having a moment.

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  65. isleofskye18 March 2012 at 08:47

    Oh Sam, you just break my heart, as does Dean in the contemplation of his brother's plight.
    The run-down, paint-peeled bed that he's lying on making it even sadder.

    I think the choice of not showing Sammy completely out of it is logical, for in that state there wouldn't be the possibility of any verbal interaction between the brothers

    MP is just terrific as usual with his Lucifer.

    You know, even with all the pain and suffering  that the this episode is obviously giving the guys, I'm glad  it's not another funny/ metaish /light--hearted episode.

     I'm nostalgic for a little brotherly angt, something that has been missing for a while, at least in the way it used to be portrayed in the early seasons.

    As we know that Sam wil be on his feet again in future episodes, I'm going to revel  (hopefully)  in a bit of  POV from him in this episode.

    I completely share Dean's angry epithet about Castiel.

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  66. sharonally18 March 2012 at 09:38

    With all due respect this is coming off childish. I  am well aware of the show dared to give Sam a sl that Dean didnt have bottled up forever hate against Sam for it because it wasnt Dean who had the mytharc to begin with and Sam stole his sl but in this instance maybe a little less Sam is a terrible person  and abit more decorum and realizing that there alot who care about Sam and will not appreciate snippy posts it isnt necessary.

    Sam is hurting here and it wasnt his fault however he is allowed to voice a word without it being a cry of 'his blaming Dean'  he spoke honnestly and is extremely exhausted out of all in that show Sam is the most forgiven it is a pity that some think they score brownie points by continuing to have a go at him everytime he dares to move , speak or breathes.

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  67. Bonnie18 March 2012 at 09:52

    Well, he has face wounds too. The monster of the week is supposed to be invisible unless you're drunk, right? Maybe he got picked up for fighting an invisible monster? :P 
    And yeah, like Dean seems to be, is finally just giving up, not caring what happens next. From what he says in this clip, he's not in the hospital for help, just to die a slow death. :/ Hopeful that's just me misinterpreting.

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  68. sharonally18 March 2012 at 10:08

    Not very good is it.But the next time Dean is in any position like this or he is expressing anything close to emotional you will have no problem telling him the same will you.

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  69. xan0218 March 2012 at 10:51

    Can't wait to see more of Lucifer in this episode as that's the only good part about the whole Sam/Hell storyline. The rest just bores me, totally over all the angst. Looking forward to seeing Cas & Meg back too. Also wish Jared would get a haircut, at least Jensen's still nice to look at!

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  70. chris68418 March 2012 at 12:07

     Ignore them.  There are a bunch of trolls who want Sam off the show who come around when there's a big Sam spoiler just to bash him.  They  were last here for the GND promo, and before that for TMWKTM.

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  71. MarissaAO18 March 2012 at 12:08

    Sam was getting flashes of Hell even before Cas broke the wall. I think it was strongly implied by the show that the wall was going to come down sooner or later. 

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  72. sharonally18 March 2012 at 12:10

    Not very good was it.
    But the next time we have a Dean scene where he is being emotional or talking about his problems we can expect you to say the same thing cant we.

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  73. klutzy_girl18 March 2012 at 12:28

    adslfkjasd;lfkjasd;klfjasldkfj

    Did Sammy try to kill himself? Can I finally count this at Hospitalized!Sammy, please?

    And love the reference to Faith!

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  74. Jan van Es18 March 2012 at 12:28

    Lucifer is so hilarious! Everytime there's a Sam/Lucifer scene I want to ship them!!

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  75. klutzy_girl18 March 2012 at 12:31

    No, the drunk episode is after this.

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  76. pinkphoenix198518 March 2012 at 12:50

    What are you trying to say? Are you talking about the characters or me? 

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  77. Bros4ever18 March 2012 at 13:07

    Aw, Sam what a great episode this will be.

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  78. LaurienWinkel18 March 2012 at 13:24

    I guess it makes sense that Luci would shut up at the point where Sam is driving a car, so that he'll fall asleep. Just to put him in more danger.
    As we've seen in Repo Man, Luci can create pretty nasty senario's in Sam's mind. I guess sleeping will be a little hard when someone sets you on fire everytime you close your eyes, or makes you experience other disturbing stuff. 

    I was wondering about the injuries too. Those will probably be the key as to why he is hospitalized in the first place.. self inflicted? Or maybe he was actually fighting Lucifer and lost sense of what is real or not? Or maybe he just had an accident due to sleep deprivation? Anyways.. I guess we'll find out soon enough. Well, not nearly soon enough.. but in due time. 

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  79. dianacp818 March 2012 at 13:44

    Well, I saw once in Nat Geo about a disease in which people ended up diyng because they couldnt sleep.
    And it didn't matter if they tried to sedate the person or something, the brain works diferently while pleople sleeps than when they are sedated, thats why it didn't matter and people died anyway. 

    Poor Sammy :( I need friday now!!!!!

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  80. MarissaAO18 March 2012 at 14:17

    I'm scared that this will happen. In terms of representing mental illness, it would make no sense whatsoever. And it would sell Sam's suffering short. And I want Cas to atone for his mistakes, but I don't want to see him become some kind of sacrificial lamb. 

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  81. Dahne18 March 2012 at 14:29

    Exactly.  It seems like the bandage is farther down covering his wrist as well as his palm.  That looks like where a suicide cut would be to me.  My concern is that Lucifer is causing Sam to physically injure himself because that's the only way I see Dean hospitalizing Sam.

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  82. Dahne18 March 2012 at 14:31

    Except it's not really Lucifer.  Lucifer is all in Sam's head, or at least that is what it seems like to me.  If Sam's body can shut down on the road it seems like whether Sam wants to stay awake or not, his body should crash.

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  83. Dahne18 March 2012 at 14:41

    Initially this is how I saw it too.  It didn't make sense to me that Sam, after being happy to be resouled, would then say Dean was wrong to do it.  In the end though, this is only one small part of the episode and I'm sure it is out of context.  There is no way that Sam would rather be soulless.  I think he's just extremely tired and what he's trying to say is that he has accepted that he will die and that he doesn't want Dean to add that to the already enormous amount of guilt he bears.  I think Sam is trying to be matter of fact and to say that Dean could not have stopped what is about to happen....but we all know he will.

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  84. Dahne18 March 2012 at 14:43

    Here's where I disagree.  I don't think it comes off as Sam thinking Dean is incapable.  I think it comes off as the situation being bigger than Dean AND Sam.  If the roles were reversed, I could see Dean feeling the exact same way.

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  85. ravenclawwit18 March 2012 at 14:46

    But...do you really think that Sam is supposed to be a representation of mental illness? I don't think he is. He's not crazy because of faulty brain chemistry or emotional problems. He's being driven supernaturally crazy by the fact that his soul was nearly destroyed from his time in the pit. He doesn't have some disease in the DSM. So it doesn't seem fair that we expect the writers to accurately portray real mental illness with Sam.

    That said I kind of agree with you about Cas, if only because I want Castiel to be able to come back at some point. I hope he does atone for his mistakes, but not by his permanent destruction.

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  86. Dahne18 March 2012 at 14:51

    Just a reminder - when you see posts designed to stir up wars or attacking people, the best thing to do is flag them for being inappropriate and move on.  Feeding the flames just creates bigger flames.

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  87. Dahne18 March 2012 at 14:55

    I have a feeling we are going to need Lucifer as comic relief in this episode.  It has all the trademarks of a heart twisting episode.

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  88. Dahne18 March 2012 at 14:59

    It's two fold.  Castiel broke down the wall that Death put in Sam's mind to keep him from remembering hell.  Then Sam made the choice to let all those hell memories in because he did not want to leave Dean and Bobby alone to fight off a souped up Castiel and Crowley on their own.  (I would highly recommend watching The Man Who Knew too much - season 6 finale - if only for that scene alone)  The idea is that Sam's soul was with Lucifer for a long time and it has been slowly tearing him up psychologically since the wall came down.  

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  89. ravenclawwit18 March 2012 at 14:59

    Omg. I never considered that possibility that Sam might have tried to kill himself. O_O Part of me says that would be great TV, but it also makes me really really sad. Not sure if want lol.

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  90. Dahne18 March 2012 at 15:11

    I'm not sure I agree with the scope of this.  Yes, I think that glimpses of hell probably would have leaked out eventually but I don't think it would have happened nearly as soon and I don't think it would have been this bad.  I think the onslaught of all the hell images flooding back so quickly made it infinitely worse because Sam didn't have the ability to create a psychological defense before everything attacked.  

    I don't want to put words in your mouth at all and I am NOT saying you would have this reaction, but I think that some people might use the fact that the wall might leak eventually as a reason to say that what Castiel did really wasn't that bad.  I disagree with that.  Cas chose to hurt Sam in the most crippling way in order to fulfill his mission.  I'm not debating the merits of Cas' mission or saying that Cas should never be forgiven for this.  In fact, I'm pretty sure that Sam will be the first to forgive Cas and I really want that to happen because we will never get closure on the Castiel character until he is forgiven and given a chance to make up for his mistakes.  However, I think excusing Cas' actions because it might have happened eventually is to deny that he intentionally (and without being corrupted by the Leviathans) put Sam on the path to destruction when he could have simply zapped the lot of them halfway around the world.

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  91. LaurienWinkel18 March 2012 at 15:15

    You're right, but Sam doesn't consciously control Lucifer. To him he is very real. So wouldn't his subconscious put him in danger? Just to make it more real. 

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  92. Dahne18 March 2012 at 15:16

    Bwah!!!  That may be my favorite Lucifer line in the whole series.  Lucifer makes this clip for me just as much as Dean and Sam - and that's saying something since I hated him with a fiery passion in season 5.

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  93. C P18 March 2012 at 15:21

    Maybe that's what I saw. lol I don't know the name.

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  94. MarissaAO18 March 2012 at 15:21

    Sam's ordeal is a representation of mental illness whether the writers intended it to be or not. It walks and talks like a duck, therefore... 

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  95. C P18 March 2012 at 15:23

    I'm a Dean girl, but whether Sam or Dean are hurting I don't call them princesses. Don't assume just because I defended Sam that I'm one of those people who bashes Dean. 

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  96. SuePo18 March 2012 at 15:28

    Agreed. My first reaction was the same. But I do believe you're right about Sam simply being too tired to care and justifying everything by saying they knew this would happen. After all the speeches Sam gave Dean about not giving up, it's time to turn the tables. But Dean is more of a man of action. He won't waste his breath trying to reason with his brother or talk Sam into fighting, he'll just find some way to fix it.

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  97. ravenclawwit18 March 2012 at 15:42

    I wasn't defending Castiel's actions, I was disagreeing with the fact that Sam would be "just fine" had Castiel not meddled with the wall. I honestly don't think it would have mattered or does matter whether the wall came down all at once or piece by piece, because I don't believe Sam is suffering from some PTSD like mental illness. It's so much worse than that that I don't think it'd matter too much how fast the wall came down. Just that it was kind of inevitable that it would, Castiel or no Castiel.

    But I agree that I think Sam will be the first to forgive Cas, if he hasn't already. I love that scene in the season opener where Sam is in Bobby's junkyard praying to Cas to let them help him and saying that he still believes Cas is one of them. Sam is kind of amazing that way. :)

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  98. skeptical_inquirer18 March 2012 at 16:25

    I just find it pretty boring in that 1) if Sam dies, he goes to heaven where he'll be happy or at least a lot happier than he is now and 2) I'm really burned out on the whole "something is wrong with Sam and thus Dean has to fix him because that's all he's good for." 

    Sam has always had something wrong with him:  demon blood at birth, then demon blood addiction, being without a soul and now he's got a mental breakdown.  All I can feel at this point is "Does this ever end?  What else is going to be wrong with him next season?"  And it's only his problems that seem to matter anymore.  I'm tired of so much story time wasted on fixing someone who is never ever fixed and can never be fixed and often causes much of his own breakage.  It's like watching a story about an addict who fails rehab a dozen times. 

    It doesn't make me feel sorry for him.  I don't watch TV so I can feel sorry for someone.  I watch because I like watching someone save other people and solve puzzles, you know, the "saving other people" part of the equation.   

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  99. numer0six18 March 2012 at 16:26

    Flag recommendation duly noted :-)
    I'm not sure when we can flag a post as inappropriate.
    The "die already" was certainly immature and aggressive, but I have seen that sort of "feelings" expressed toward a character on spoilertv more than once.
    I'm not defending the poster, just trying to understand. Wishing a character death is a valid reason to flag a post?

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  100. skeptical_inquirer18 March 2012 at 16:30

     I think that if it was treated with any realism, Dean would be seeking treatment as well.  Asking a sick person to take care of another sick person is way too much. 

    I was watching a Private Practice episode and a guy was trying to take care of his sister who was fighting him all the way, refusing to take her meds and not wanting to eat.   I don't blame him for saying that she needs to go to a place that can take care of her better than he can and the show didn't make him out to be a bad guy. 

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  101. Ally718 March 2012 at 16:47

    :( exactly what I was thinking about the wrist bandage....I'm worry about sammy

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  102. Debbie Combs18 March 2012 at 17:17

     That is about the way Dean acted in Faith as well... This scene is so reminiscent of that one, even without the reference to the reaper. Dean was like "Oh well, I'm gonna die... I'm OK with it. Move on with your life."  in that episode. Now the roles are reversed and Dean won't let go, just like Sam wouldn't let go in Faith.

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  103. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 17:22

     Wait, are you sure it's this episode that the we're supposed to see the Shojo? I really think that's the next episode titled Party On Garth. But I really don't think it's a monster here that has hurt Sam.

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  104. sharonally18 March 2012 at 17:24

    Lets be fair we have been dealing with Deans problems for a long time even this season up until episode 15 it was Deans issues being dealt with. This is the first time this season they are really dealing with what Sam went through and I  am sorry  that you feel the way you do but there really isnt any one can do about it but for me this is what I  have been waiting for all season a episode that does this for Sam.

    I  am sorry it is annoying to you and I  realize you dont care about Sam but I  do and so do others and if the show can give Dean focus to his issues since John died then they can give us some episodes dealing with what Sam is dealing with esp considering his pov is not has prevelant as Deans in the show.

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  105. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 17:25

    But actually it IS Lucifer because everything that Sam experienced and now is repeatedly suffering from are true, real memories that Sam had endure and it broke him. They don't call Lucifer the Satan for nothing. Think about this, schizophrenic patients see hallucinations of things they've never been through or don't exist. I think it's possible that a piece of Lucifer may have held on to Sam considering he wore Sam and had him in Hell for 180+ years. I'm just saying... when you look at it in a specific manner, it is Lucifer. The memory of all the torture and disturbing and scary things Sam had to endure.

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  106. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 17:33

     This situation has been reversed before, in Faith. Dean was the one telling Sam "I'm gonna die, and you can't stop it." He was pretty much putting it forward that his heart failure was bigger than the two of them and this wasn't something Sam could save Dean from.

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  107. Debbie Combs18 March 2012 at 17:34

     So much story time? My guess is that those times seem long for you because you obviously are not a fan of Sam. However, for many people Sam's story has been brushed under the carpet since episode 2 with just tiny references like rubbing his hand or a mention of seeing Lucifer when Sam brushes his teeth.

    When Dean went to Hell, many people felt the same way (that his story was brushed under the carpet). We saw some flashes that let us know that Dean still remembered Hell and hints from angels. Finally we saw the brothers have a few short talks about it and then it started coming out more and more in drinking, nightmares, and finally pills.

    I still don't feel that Dean's Hell Time has been properly covered and I am still keeping my fingers crossed that we will have more scenes like the warehouse scene in 7x02. I'm dying for these guys to open up to each other about the trauma they suffered. They have both been through Hell literally and I would love it if they "really" talked about it. They could help each other start to truly heal.

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  108. Dahne18 March 2012 at 17:36

    I agree that the memories Sam is experiencing are real.  However, all we have seen in most episodes is Lucifer talking to Sam and taunting him.  These are definitely in Sam's mind seeing as it makes no sense that Lucifer created Dean scenes for Sam while he was in hell.  These aren't memories.  These are new scenarios that Sam is creating in his mind.

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  109. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 17:42

     I don't believe I follow. Why does it not make sense that Lucifer would use a vision of Dean against Sam in Hell? I'm almost positive that's the one of the tortures Lucifer put Sam through. Making himself look like Dean while torturing Sam, maybe even creating images of Dean being tortured in front of Sam. The possibilities are endless and we have 180 years to sift through of tortures Lucifer did. He could've have done anything. There's nothing suggesting that any of this are new scenarios Sam's mind is creating.

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  110. isleofskye18 March 2012 at 17:52

     You're quite right.
    Lucifer would take great pleasure including Dean, in some form of another, either torturer or tortured, knowing the bond that the brothers have with one another.

    If I was Lucifer that's the first thing that would come to mind.
    There's nothing to say that he wouldn't have used other people that Sam had a bond with too, starting with John, right down to Bobby.

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  111. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 17:52

     I'm sure that eventually the wall would have started coming down, but people have got to stop denying that Cas did anything to harm Sam at all. He most certainly did. That a pure act of harm on Sam and Castiel knew it and then told them that he'd fix Sam ONLY if Dean cooperated and stood down. And since they didn't stand down, Cas decided that he was just gonna let Sam suffer. Misha even said it himself that Cas wanted Sam to suffer for a little while. Sam only had problems when he'd try to remember. Once he stopped trying to fix every little bad thing he did wrong while soulless at Dean's pleading, there were no more problems. As long as he wasn't scratching at the wall, Sam was fine. Castiel's mental attack on Sam like that and the wall coming down was Castiel's fault, regardless of how much you want to defend him. Sam's wall may have started coming down bit by bit if he picked at it, but after he stopped, there were no more problems, so...

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  112. Debbie Combs18 March 2012 at 17:55

     I believe that things that Lucifer talks about are real, but that this version of Lucifer that we are seeing is all in Sam's head. For example, when Lucifer calls Sam "bunk buddy" I have no doubts that is something that the real Lucifer called him when they were in the cage. However, he isn't remembering the real Lucifer saying "Awwww, they're having a moment."

    I think that the things that Sam is seeing now (like the flashes of people smashing their heads) could be integrated memory. I am a computer geek, so mental health professionals, please forgive my supposition here, but I believe that Sam's mind is taking things that he remembers from the pit and mixing them with things that he sees now.

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  113. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 17:55

     Sam got flashes of Hell only when picked at the wall to try and remember everything he did while soulless and to try and fix everything as well. Once Dean begged for him to stop, Sam stopped and there were no more problems. Sure, the wall would have eventually come down on it's own, but Castiel harmed Sam full on and knew he was doing it. Please stop trying to defend Cas to make it out to seem that what Cas did was just fine because it was going to happen anyway. It's not fine, and especially not fine that Cas wouldn't go back and fix Sam. Instead, he just wanted Sam to suffer, and it's true because Misha stated himself in an interview.

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  114. Dahne18 March 2012 at 17:55

    Hmmm, interesting thought.  I guess if his subconscious is trying to torture Sam then it wouldn't make sense for him to fall asleep at the wheel.  If his subconscious is trying to get him to kill himself then I guess it would.  I'm beginning to feel like I'm back in my psychology class in college.  :-)

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  115. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 18:01

     Wow, you make it sound like Sam has some kind of chemical imbalance or is just flat out crazy like an everyday schizophrenic person who's actually never experienced anything they hallcuinate... All of this that has happened to Sam is supernatural.

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  116. Dahne18 March 2012 at 18:06

    If this episode is anywhere near as poignant and compelling as Faith was, then we are in for one phenomenal episode.  Faith is in my top 10 SPN episodes of all.

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  117. SammyWsGirl18 March 2012 at 18:08

     Oh yes, Bobby definitely. Remember back in episode 2? Hello, Cruel World? Lucifer stood behind Bobby and ran him through with a fireplace poker. Sam saw it, yet Bobby didn't even acknowledge it, so that suggests to me that Lucifer used all the people Sam loves against him in some form or another. He could've even used Jess and Mary against him as well, but Dean would the top one because that would be miserable torture.

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  118. isleofskye18 March 2012 at 18:11

    It's a good job Dean doesn't feel like that about Sam.
    Sam's his brother. He raised him and he loves him.

    I believe voluntarily selling his soul for him still counts for something.

    Too bad you feel you have to treat him so callously.
    I think he has been castigated enough by the fates since before he was even born.

    However, each to their own.

    You don't like him, I do, as do multitudes of others

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  119. Dahne18 March 2012 at 18:12

    It's very subjective to be sure.  For me, I always flag whenever someone is attacking another person posting (not a character or staff member) or when two people are arguing back and forth in a personal manner.  I also flag when it feels like the person commenting is just trying to start an argument instead of genuinely giving their opinion.  For me, the original comment here falls in that category, but like I said, it is very subjective.

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  120. isleofskye18 March 2012 at 18:15

    Dean would certainly be number one in his torture Sam hit parade because of the love they bear one another, but I'm sure Lucifer has experimented with all the variables; sadly for Sam.

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  121. Dahne18 March 2012 at 18:25

    I was not clear. Yes, I do think that Lucifer put on his Dean face to torture Sam in hell. However, since in these scenes Lucifer is tying his comments directly to what is currently happening between Dean and Sam including specific things they are saying to each other, it does not make sense to me that this is Sam remembering Lucifer. If it truly is memories from hell then that particular conversation and the whole scenario would have to be part of the hellucination. That would mean that none of this was really happening and we are back to the "Sam is still stuck in hell" theory again which Sera basically said that was wrong. Sam seeing himself burning is probably a memory, but Lucifer commenting about something Dean just said has to be Sam's mind creating the scenario based on what he knows of Lucifer and his taunts.

    I see nothing in the show that points to part of Lucifer still being in Sam. Could it go there? Of course, anything can happen on Supernatural, but I don't see any evidence for this theory so far.

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  122. numer0six18 March 2012 at 18:28

    Yep, I suspect the decision isn't always easy.
    Wouldn't want to be in a mods shoes ;-)

    I will try to use that fonction cautiously.

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  123. isleofskye18 March 2012 at 18:32

    Faith was a wonderful episode along with your own personal favourite WIAWSNB.

    Those are the kind of episodes that make me long for some of the current episodes to capture a little of that type of atmosphere, because they don't seem to be able to deliver the emotions like the earlier ones did.

    I'm hoping that this one will give us an "old school"  treat.

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  124. nellymendezcolon18 March 2012 at 19:14

    sam looks so helpless,and dean clueless with his hand almost tie both need suport comon writer bring them some.

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  125. skeptical_inquirer18 March 2012 at 19:19

     I think it's callous to expect someone to keep fixing him over and over and devote the rest of his life without rest then say that he is a failure as a brother as so many people do.  Why should I enjoy seeing Dean smacked around like a tetherball for not being able to live up to impossible expectations? 

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  126. sharonally18 March 2012 at 19:26

    Excuse me but where as Sam ever expected Dean to keep fixing him? where at any time has he stood there and said Dean you know what will you spend your life fixing me because you know I  am going to go out and get killed or fling myself into a pit and have a wall in my head because I  am mean like that.

     Dean does not do anything because he is made to or forced too who in any of this is smacking Dean around this isnt about Dean but what Sam is going through and you know what Dean will help Sam because he wants to.

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  127. numer0six18 March 2012 at 19:26

    You're right on a logical POV, but fans aren't emotionally invested in Adam character as much as they are invested in Sam or Dean (or Cas in my case)


    Personnally, I was never interested in this half brother who popped out of
    nowhere. I don't feel sorry because I have zero attachment for that
    character.

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  128. comicfangirl18 March 2012 at 19:27

    Thank you once again Dahne, for being the voice of reason.

    Castiel broke down the wall in Sam's mind.
    No small cracks or anything like that, he broke down the wall as in destroying it.

    There simply is no way to justify this, or find cheap excuses for it, Castiel is at fault for this, and he should be punished for it, not getting a pat on the head.

    Those Angel guys still do favor the good old eye for an eye, right? So there you go Castiel.

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  129. numer0six18 March 2012 at 19:40

    Well it seems spn writers already did that. Remember the infamous "You're my bunk mate buddy." quote
    ;-D

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  130. isleofskye18 March 2012 at 20:09

    I think we're watching different shows here.

    Sam doesn't expect anything from his brother.
    He has always encouraged Dean to make a life for himself.

    Did he not make him promise to go have an apple pie life with Lisa; which Dean did only to keep the promise he made to Sam.
    However as soon as he saw that Sam was back Lisa was practically forgotten.

    Dean wants to be with his brother, he wants to continue helping him and has no intention of leaving him.
    This is what Dean himself has said many times on the show so, if you don't believe the man himself.......!

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  131. isleofskye18 March 2012 at 20:11

    Perfectly summarised. :)

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  132. ravenclawwit18 March 2012 at 20:20

    I wasn't at all denying that Cas did harm to Sam. I don't know how you got that from my comment. I'm just stating that I think eventually Sam would have been in the same situation he's in now, even if Cas hadn't done what he did. That's not trying to excuse Castiel, I'm just stating what I think was going on. I think Sam feels that way too given his comments in the clip.

    Castiel definitely did harm Sam, he probably expedited the entire situation, and he definitely did it out of malice. To me that's what made his actions wrong, not that he materially changed the final outcome, because I don't think he really did except by speeding it up by a few months.

    However he did regret it later and told Dean that if he had more time/strength, he'd try to fix Sam. That gives me hope that they'll be able to find Cas and that he'll be able to help Sam. And I do hope and think that Sam and Dean will forgive him. Actually I think Sam already has. Like it or not, some people are never going to be as hard on Cas as some people want them to because they like the character.

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  133. C P18 March 2012 at 20:21

    100% with you there. 

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  134. percysowner18 March 2012 at 20:40

     They could go that way, but I would be disappointed.  It's simply too easy an out.  It also completely takes away from what Sam sacrificed and only serves to make Castiel look like a woobie.  If Castiel has to be redeemed he should have to really work at it, not just repair Sam and all is forgiven.

    The fact that it is an easy fix to the Sam problem means it is likely, but I won't be happy.

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  135. moonvamp18 March 2012 at 21:15

    If I ever meet Satan, I want him just like this one.  lmbo

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  136. Nikita Ahn19 March 2012 at 00:29

    Yeah, saying "it would happen anyway so it's okay" is like saying it's okay to run over someone with cancer with your car because they'll probably die anyway.  For all we know the wall might have lasted until Sam was 88 years old, or maybe having memories slowly leak in while the wall crumbled bit by bit naturally (as opposed to flooding in all at once when Cas destroyed it) would have allowed Sam to adjust to them gradually and he wouldn't have ended up as bad off.  Being able to process the memories over the course of a year or so instead of being assaulted with them in one second would have surely given Sam a better chance to adapt to them and resist them.  And the bottom line is that Cas KNEW what he was doing (he was the one who warned Dean about how terrible those memories were in the first place!) and he made a conscious, fully-informed choice to sacrifice Sam's sanity and well-being for the sake of his goals. 

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  137. Chelsea19 March 2012 at 02:18

    Actually it's DEAN that expects to keep on fixing Sam. Dean puts those on expectations on his own shoulders not Sam. Sam has never demanded that of Dean. That goes all the way back to John Winchester always telling Dean to take care of his little brother. Dean loves Sam and will always take care of him and in fact this is what I find so touching about the character. Dean WANTS to fix Sam because believe it or not he actually cares about him. I don't know why you're blaming Sam here it makes no sense.

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  138. denise19 March 2012 at 12:37

    Shuuuushhhh Dean's hell time is not the hell pain your looking for...

    Actually, I think the writers screwed the pooch when it came to Dean's Hell time. I also think that's why many Dean fans are angered by Sam's Hell focus.

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  139. neon_ruby19 March 2012 at 14:45

    Awww...poor Sam. Think this one's going to be a tough watch!

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  140. sharonally19 March 2012 at 15:27

    They could of done better but so could of alot of sls .I  dont think they have really given Sams hell that much more to be honest but it happened I  see no reason why it shouldnt get some coverage after all it isnt has if Sam has alot of focus on what he goes through it is normally seen through Dean.

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  141. SammyWsGirl19 March 2012 at 17:20

     Oh for goodness sake... exactly WHAT Hell focus? Seriously? We had a couple of teasers in the premiere and some focus in episode 2. After that? Nothing beyond him pushing his hand a few times. Then we get something in ep 15, see Sam start to buckle in 16, and he has in 17, but you realize that he's gonna be back up on his feet and just fine so he can hunt in 18, right? Do we really need to sit here and map out how much Hell focus Dean has had compared to Sam? Seriously? Why does this always have to be a competition?

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  142. Chelsea19 March 2012 at 17:32

    To be honest I don't think they have much to be angry about. There has been very little attention paid to Sam's time in hell. It was pretty much dropped after episode 2 with tiny hints here and there only to be picked up now to be resolved in one or two episodes. It's not like the entire season has revolved around it. Dean fans who believe there has been too much attention paid to Sam's time in hell are probably just annoyed ANY attention is given to his hell time.

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  143. keithfan19 March 2012 at 17:34

    Thanks so much for the sneak peek! I have been waiting since Friday for one and was hoping for one that had Sam and Dean in it! I wonder, though, what exactly happened for Sam to end up in the shape he is in (cuts on his face) to be put in the mental hospital? I could slap Luci, too, for just being a big mouth, but we all guessed that he would make an appearance in some way (no choice). Friday cannot get here soon enough this week. Cannot wait for it!!!

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  144. Ally719 March 2012 at 18:12

    hang in there we're one day closer since you posted this :) 

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  145. bedone19 March 2012 at 20:24

    I'm sorry, but there's nothing in this clip that hasn't been begged, borrowed, or stolen from better episodes. How is that supposed to entice me to watch? I was actually thinking I might like this episode UNTIL I saw this clip. It's a shame the writers have to resort to cannibalizing themselves so certain fans can add tick marks to their scorecards. I really miss Supernatural.

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  146. ARIS319 March 2012 at 21:36

     No, it's actually Sam hate...

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  147. ARIS319 March 2012 at 21:39

     Jeeezzzz... What happened with Ruby was three seasons ago... Sam regretted it and apologized... We get it that you don't like Sam, but stop twisting things just to show how bad he is... In no way Sam blames Dean in this sneak peek. He never blamed him for getting his soul back, he even thanked Dean for that... 

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  148. timetowaste24720 March 2012 at 14:41

    I just assumed Sam must of somehow got into a fight because of the UFC joke when Dean came in.

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  149. LightningsRose8 April 2014 at 02:32

     Wait, are you sure it's this episode that the we're supposed to see the Shojo? I really think that's the next episode titled Party On Garth. But I really don't think it's a monster here that has hurt Sam.

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  150. Shimmerinstars778 April 2014 at 02:34

    Poor Sammy he's the guy that never gives up and keeps on going no matter what happens to him. Hes been there for Dean all this season when Dean felt he  to had no reason to keep on going and Sam was his life line. Now Sam really needs dean and Dean is right Sam should get freaking mad he always so forgiving  And Dean said screw Castielwell its about freaking time after the way Cass has screwed them repeatedly (All of Season 4 and 6)
    This looks great!

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  151. J.d. Ruud8 April 2014 at 02:34

    Looks like another awesome episode.

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  152. Tayler Hutchins8 April 2014 at 02:34

    I don't think Cas fully broke the wall, even he couldn't do that.  I think he put a crack in it it, like a dam leaking, slowly but surely that crack is getting bigger though. If he fully broke the wall Sam would have be done and he would have died or never woke up back in the S6 finale.

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  153. skeptical_inquirer8 April 2014 at 02:34

     Then the person we should REALLY feel sorry for is Adam because he's still down there then.  Perhaps Adam should come back and talk for episodes on length about how he, not Sam, is the one who suffered the most in the world.

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  154. LaurienW8 April 2014 at 02:34

    You're right, but Sam doesn't consciously control Lucifer. To him he is very real. So wouldn't his subconscious put him in danger? Just to make it more real. 

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  155. skeptical_inquirer8 April 2014 at 02:54

    I got to say that I hate that Sam has no faith in Dean.  And it seems like Sam's blaming Dean for putting his soul back into his body and rescuing him.  I really despise that.  If Sam and the writers of the show delight in beating Dean for rescuing Sam from the worst hell then screw them both.

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