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Supernatural - Episode 7.17 - The Born-Again Identity - New Sneak Peek

22 Mar 2012

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53 comments:

  1. klutzy_girl22 March 2012 at 01:40

    This looks awesome! So excited for Friday.

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  2. C P22 March 2012 at 01:50

    Awesome sneak peek! I am so happy! :D Now I get to watch this over and over until the episode airs! lol

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  3. Elena Wonderland22 March 2012 at 01:57

    FRIDAY GET YOUR A$$ HERE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

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  4. ravenclawwit22 March 2012 at 01:59

    Oh god, this episode is going to kill me. Dean is so angry (rightfully) but at the same time, it seems like he just wants his friend back. So sad. I hope Cas remembers who he is eventually.

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  5. Shimmerinstars7722 March 2012 at 02:00

    "Someone did this to him. (You're angry)  Yeah dude broke my brothers head.(he betrayed you this dude he was you friend)  Finally we get to see a little anger from Dean  and yes some accountability for what Castiel did when there was none in Season 4.

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  6. MarissaAO22 March 2012 at 02:14

    squeeing and flailing! Looking forward to the moment when Cas realizes who he is!

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  7. MarissaAO22 March 2012 at 02:14

    What did he do in season 4? Is this about opening the panic room? Because that just gave Sam the opportunity to make his own decisions. 

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  8. Chelsea22 March 2012 at 02:23

    I'm glad Dean is angry with Cas. I'm not too thrilled about seeing Cas but I don't know how to feel about him in this scene because I'm not even sure it IS Cas. If he wants to be redeemed, he has to earn it and having his memory wiped is only brushing it under the rug.

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  9. percysowner22 March 2012 at 02:35

     Except he let Sam out after getting Dean to swear to help the angels IF SAM WAS KEPT OUT OF THINGS.  He lied to Dean and he let an addict in withdrawal WHO HAD BEEN HALLUCINATING out.  Sam's opportunity to make his own decisions was SO corrupted by the angels (and Castiel knew that) that he wasn't making his own decisions. 

    Or how about the fact that he never told Dean what the voicemail he left for Sam really said.

    Or since you don't care about Sam, how about the fact that he kidnapped Dean and made him torture Alistair.  He knew that doing so would break Dean's spirit and he continued.

    Then there was the fact that he was more than willing to kill 2,000 people in a town if Samhain rose.  The only way to save those lives was for Sam to stop Samhain, because Castiel, could not have cared less about human beings.

    Sorry, Castiel has a lot to make up for in season four.  The fact that he never took responsibility, the fact that he never fully acknowledged his actions, the fact that he blamed Sam and Dean SOLELY for beginning the Apocalypse does not mean that he wasn't part of the conspiracy to let Lucifer out and to end the world as we know it.

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  10. Thomas22 March 2012 at 02:42

    Plus...what Castiel had done in season six was his own accountability and choices.  What he did in season four was him being the soldier that he always was before he meant the Winchester brothers.  He turned back to a "soldier" in "The Rapture", so what happened in "When the Levee Breaks" made sense.

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  11. Thomas22 March 2012 at 02:44

    He doesn't have to make up for anything when he was following orders...something he's done for his(Cas) entire life.  It's reasonable for seasons five and six for all he's done because he ran things on his own, but he was corrupted in season four.  

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  12. Thomas22 March 2012 at 02:46

    He doesn't have to make up for anything when he was following orders...something he's done for his(Cas) entire life.  It's reasonable for seasons five and six for all he's done because he ran things on his own, but he was corrupted in season four.

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  13. C P22 March 2012 at 02:56

    It's Cas but he has no memory, obviously. I want him to remember too.

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  14. MarissaAO22 March 2012 at 03:07

    a) In "The Rapture" Castiel had been tortured into obedience. Getting Dean to swear alligence was a shitty thing to do, but it was mitigated by that. 
    b) I don't think Cas had anything to do with the voicemail. Zachariah seemed to be taking charge of thins at that point. c) Castiel didn't force Dean to torture Alistair. He explained the situation and convinced him to. And he hated that he had to ask that of Dean. d) Are you totally ignoring what happened on the show? Castiel said, "I was praying that you would spare the town." Because he cared about humans, because humans are God's creations. That is not up for interpretation, that was stated explicitly. He would have destroyed the town if that was what Dean decided to do, because those were his orders, and he has always followed orders, because he's an angel, and that's what angels do. That does not mean that he was okay with it. 

    e) The moment Castiel found out about the angels' true plans, he went to Dean to tell him about it, but he was captured and tortured into submission. He can't really be called a co-conspirator. 

    The thing with Castiel in season 4 is that he had been following orders for millions of years. That's what he was created to do, that's how he defined himself. One has to have free will to be culpable for their choices, And an angel of Castiel's rank did not have free will, not really. When he has a moral dilemma in "On The Head Of A Pin" he doesn't decide to make choices for himself, he looks for someone else to tell him what to do. Those are not the actions of someone who knows how to exercise free will. So, yes, he does avoid responsibility, because it is impossible to assign responsibility to someone who is not exercising free will. 

    Also, I do care about Sam. I never said anything to indicate that I don't, so I don't know where you got the idea that I don't care about Sam. 

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  15. brianna armstrong22 March 2012 at 03:09

    i'm soo glad dean is finally showing his anger and a little bit of the emotion he has been bottling up all season!! its healthy and he needs to clear his head in order to help sammy! friday seriously could not be taking any longer to get here!!

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  16. brunna22 March 2012 at 03:09

    take my heart, tear it, throw on the ground and step on it. I NEED TO BE FRIDAY NOW.

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  17. MarissaAO22 March 2012 at 03:14

    I love that, after trying to talk to other people about it (Frank, Elliot Ness), who just told him to suck it up, Cas is the one who is finally telling Dean what he needs to hear, that it's okay to feel these things. And Cas doesn't even know who he is... omg, this episode...

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  18. BoxManLocke22 March 2012 at 03:17

    It's only a couple of minutes long, but I like the new Castiel. He seems so peaceful and wise. He reminds me of the Castiel we first met in season 4, minus the incredibly badass factor.
    If he really enjoys his new life as a healer, I get why he won't be willing to get his memory back just to remember some of the horrible things Cas has done, whether they were justified or not.

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  19. SuePo22 March 2012 at 03:29

    "Your friends name was Cas? That's an odd name." Well he was an odd dude. :) Hold on to that anger, Dean. 

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  20. ZoeF22 March 2012 at 03:31

    The one part that stood out to me was when Cas said he can heal the "spiritual", as though something is wrong with Sam's soul. Then Dean gets mad, saying "someone did this to him" - it feels like Dean, who raised Sam as a kid, was being the protective, proud older brother. Dean knows Sam's soul is good and strong in itself, not needing fixing. The fix is needed because of what outside forces did to him, namely Lucifer in the cage, then Castiel by breaking the wall. I love this protective and proud implication.

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  21. ravenclawwit22 March 2012 at 04:22

    Don't you understand, if you like Castiel at all that automatically means you hate Sam.

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  22. ravenclawwit22 March 2012 at 04:25

    I am thrilled about seeing Cas, but I agree that in order to be redeemed he does need to earn it. I think he'll eventually regain his memory and then start the process of atoning for what he did.

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  23. ravenclawwit22 March 2012 at 05:00

    Something is wrong with Sam's soul. Michael and Lucifer used it as a chew toy while he was in the pit. That was pretty much stated explicitly all through season 6 and 7. That's why the wall was necessary in the first place. His soul certainly does need fixing. It's not at all Sam's fault, and I really don't think amnesia!Cas meant it that way (how would he when he doesn't even remember who Sam is at this point), nor did Dean take it that way. Dean is mad of course, but I don't think that particular statement is why.

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  24. jeeves2222 March 2012 at 06:29

    Yes, that's one of the Cas haters' favorite ploys, to make it seem like most Cas fans hate Sam when that isn't the case. Just because *they* are Sam fans who hate Cas doesn't mean the reverse is true. I'm so tired of their lame propaganda.

    I'm a Cas fan who loves Sam (and Dean), and there are so many like me. I'm sure there are also many Sam fans who love Cas. 

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  25. V_s22 March 2012 at 06:47

    Interesting that he's using his Jimmy voice instead of his Castiel voice for the part, and yet he apparently has Castiel's powers fully under his control. Anyone have a possible explanation for that before Friday gets here?

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  26. sharonally22 March 2012 at 07:48

    I dont think alot who love Castiel hate Sam but what has disappointed me is Sam will get this one episode to have 'a breakdown' before Cas heals him and all the hysteria and focus has been on this returning character .Sams story has been ridiculous this season the hand scar was embrassing story tatic.Sam has been walking around fine all season and poof it is gone in a haze of Castiel and the disinterest of the writers.

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  27. ravenclawwit22 March 2012 at 08:12

    Well, I kind of agree that it would have been better if they'd started Sam's final mental breakdown a little earlier so it could be dealt with more fully, and then have Cas show up to help him, kind of as an eleventh hour type thing. But really, it only makes sense to have Castiel save Sam, because a) he broke Sam, so it's only logical that he may be the only one able to fix him, b) the nature of Sam's ailment kind of demands a deus ex machina in order to save him. There's simply nothing else that can save him. Apparently even Death couldn't (or wouldn't) save him.

    But the thing is, neither of us has actually seen the episode yet. Just promos. I really think people should relax and give it a chance. Who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised by how they handle Sam's story. And as for people being excited about Cas returning, I don't understand why that upsets some people. Just focus on the part of the story that focuses on your favorite character and let other people get excited about theirs. And I'm talking about both sides here. I've definitely seen people who love Dean or Cas get crabby over Sam focused episodes as well.

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  28. Paul Eales22 March 2012 at 09:06

    always a bazillion comments on everything supernatural.. yet it only gets like 1.5million viewers.. so im most likely correct in saying 3/4's of commenters are from overseas.. so u must all move  to the us.. and watch the show.. imagine wat the ratings would be then.. WoW!, dreams are coool

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  29. Bonnie22 March 2012 at 09:43

    In regards to the panic room door, Bobby also let Sam walk away after he caught him outside the panic room. Bobby was rooting to let Sam out all along though. So how come people aren't howling for Bobby's season four redemption?

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  30. SupernaturallyMe22 March 2012 at 10:18

    I think that this episode has the potential to make everyone happy:
     
    It was confirmed that it's Sam-heavy and Jared gets to flex his acting skills, so the Sam fans are probably happy.
     
    Dean seems to be unbottling some of his anger towards Cas, to Cas (ofcourse Cas doesn't know it yet), which certainly makes me, as a Dean fan myself, very happy.
     
    And for Cas fans...well, he's back and cooler than ever judging from this clip (well, atleast for me).
     
    Now all we need is Bobby...but I woudn't hold my breath.

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  31. geordiegirl196722 March 2012 at 10:47

    "He doesn't have to make up for anything when he was following orders"
    Er...I'm not sure the 'I was just following orders' defence worked that well at the Nuremberg trials.

    I don't mind Cas. He is an interesting character, but I find the way people put him on a pedestal interesting. Of the 4+ (of their) years he has been involved with them he was only on their side for 1 of them;
    - s4 - following orders. When he rescued Dean (which everyone makes such a big deal about how that gives them a bond) he was only doing as he was told. He only started following his own conscience at the very last minute. And letting Sam out of the panic room was pretty unforgiveable IMO. He knew the angels end game by that point. He knew how far gone Sam was. That was a terrible thing to do. If Dean knew I'm not sure he'd have ever been part of TFW.
    - s5 - he was on their side
    - the year between s5 and 6, and all of s6 he was working with Crowley behind their backs resulting in hundreds of deaths, the release of the Levis, Dean losing Lisa and Ben and (worst of all on a personal level for Dean) he destroyed Sam's sanity.

    So a great and dramatically interesting character. But a great friend and ally? I'm not so sure.

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  32. MarissaAO22 March 2012 at 12:56

    Cas is an angel, not a human. It's not just that he was following orders, it's that free will was entirely foreign to him. 

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  33. Chelsea22 March 2012 at 13:10

    The reason many fans think that about Cas fans is because for many Cas fans...it's true. I don't think that's true of all Cas fans I'm sure many like Sam but there are Cas fans out there who have developed a blind hatred for Sam and Jared himself who have proved to be very vocal.

    A rabid Cas fan, kristyhobbs, on twitter launching daily vicious personal attacks towards Jared even threatening his family. A lot of Cas fans are always bashing Sam/Jared- I've never met a Cas fan who ever bashed Dean or didn't like him. Many even petitioned to have Jared fired and to put Misha in his place. So you see there is a lot of bitterness and resentment between the two fanbases.

    However, I don't assume this is the belief of every Cas fan. Those kinds of fans have given Cas fans a bad rap, but I assure you they are out there and they speak the loudest. The Sam fans are tired of them. This may even be why Sam fans hate Cas even more...the conduct of some of their supporters. But I do believe this kind of supporters are actually in the minority, they just never shut up.

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  34. chris68422 March 2012 at 13:11

    In season 4, for episodes 1-19, Cas was on the side of stopping the Apocalypse, the angels, and Sam and Dean.  He believed they were all on the same side.  For about an episode and a half (part of 20 and 21), cas was on the side of the angels even though he knew now that they were trying to start the apocalypse. In episode 22, Cas was on the side of Sam and Dean and stopping the Apocalypse, and sacrificed his life for what he believed.

    In season 5, he was on the side of stopping the Apocalypse and Sam and Dean, and again, he sacrificed his life for the cause.

    In season 6 he was again on the side of stopping the Apocalypse.  Up until the last episode, he never tried to hurt Sam and Dean.  In fact, he tried to protect them multiple times. He was willing to go further to stop Raphael and prevent the Apocalypse than he knew Sam and Dean would go (the greater good perspective), so he lied - not good, but it doesn't imply malice toward Sam and Dean.  In the last episode he was on the side of himself because he was bitter that his friends wouldn't support him, and yes, he hurt Sam and Dean. 

    I don't idolize Cas, but I like that there's another character on the show who generally tries to do what's right, but sees things from a different perspective.  And sometimes that leads to conflict. While Cas isn't always right, Sam and Dean aren't always right either, so Cas adds some balance.

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  35. Lissie_Bee22 March 2012 at 14:08

    I love that Dean's actually talking it through.. and it's interesting how this "new guy" (whatever his name is now) still seems so much like Cass.. I feel like they could talk everything out (well, that might be too much emotional stuff for Dean) and get past it if Castiel actually got his memories back.  It's going to be really difficult for Dean this way.  

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  36. Lissie_Bee22 March 2012 at 14:09

    That would be like the best kept secret EVER if Bobby showed up haha

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  37. rehabber22 March 2012 at 14:18

    OH DAMN, I love Cass? and Dean back together and this looks AWESOME.  I know over used word, but could not come up with a better one.  I can't hardly wait.

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  38. jeeves2222 March 2012 at 15:22

    Yes, I know Cas fans have their own share of loons who hate Sam, and I know that they are vocal, but they are in the MINORITY, just as the Cas haters are a vocal minority, even though some of them insist that they're not.

    I've been a part of the Cas and Dean/Cas fandom for almost four years, and I've seen Sam-bashing posts, sure, but why is there no credit given for the majority of us who actually either like or love Sam? (I love him.) I'm not trying to glorify the Casgirl fandom at all; I'm simply reporting what I see to be the case, and I see a lot of it because it's been a daily part of my life for quite a few years now. 

    Which is why it irks me that it serves Cas haters to propagate the idea that Cas fans hate Sam, because by and large that is NOT the case. Seriously, a lot of the Sam hate comes from the deeply rooted Dean vs. Sam war that's been raging way before Cas came on the scene.

    The crazy things that you mentioned you've seen some Cas fans do, I've no doubt is true. But then that's the case for the extremists in any group. There are the Samgirls who count his screentime and who say that Dean having a friend somehow lessens his bond with sam. Do their real-life friendships threaten their relationships with their siblings? Probably not. And then there's the Extreme Dean Girls, who deserve capital letters because they are looney tunes to an amazing degree. But again, these are the extremists. I don't want anything to do with the extremist Cas girl who hates Jared, and she DOESN'T represent me or the majority of Cas girls.

    As for not seeing any Cas fans who bash Dean, are you serious? I've seen them, and I've seen Dean fans bash Cas.

    Now to my original point: I've seen the accusations flying around: "Cas/Destiel fans are hateful, they bash Sam and Sam fans", as if that's the case for the majority.

    Many of these originate from the late and unlamented CW Lounge, which was this toxic breeding ground of vitriol from a dedicated group of Cas haters who called themselves skeptics. You want to talk about fandom ugliness? Look no further than those people.

    I used to be more laid-back about this, but seeing Cas fans being accused of loathsomeness by the very people who have been loathsome towards Cas and Cas fans for a long time just sticks in my craw. 

    Bear in mind I am not talking about Sam fans. I'm not even talking about those who dislike Cas for one reason or another. I'm talking, like you are, about the extremists. The hateful, vocal, loathsome extremists. And they exist in every segment of this fandom.

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  39. chris68422 March 2012 at 15:57

    Is this a fair characterization - that the biggest Sam bashers are Cas fans?  I'll admit I'm very ignorant as to what goes on in the fandom.  I mostly just visit this board and Winchester Family Business, and once in a while read some comments on SPN articles on larger media sites, so I'm sure I don't know a lot of what's going on.  But what I've observed on this site is that the times it's been flooded with Sam bashers, those people seemed to be extreme Dean fans still upset about season 4.  Some liked Cas too, or were indifferent to him, but their interest was primarily about Dean.  The times this site got flooded with minions, such as when Cas won the Character Cup, there was very little, if any, Sam bashing.  And I don't mean to imply that most Dean fans are Sam bashers.  The majority of regular SPN posters here seem to be more fans of Dean than anyone else, but never say a bad word about Sam.  Some of these Dean fans don't like Cas though.

    For the record, I love all the characters, but Cas and Sam are my two favorites.  It's been a rough year. :(

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  40. keithfan22 March 2012 at 17:00

    Cass looks good after so many months away and poor Dean, he looks tired and worried. Totally understandable, though. I hope Dean and Cass can help Sam because he sure needs it. Cannot wait for tomorrow night!

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  41. Mekina22 March 2012 at 17:15

    Not everyone that hates Castiel is exclusively a Samgirl. A lot of us, including myself, love both Sam and Dean and just happen to not like Castiel.

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  42. Mekina22 March 2012 at 17:16

    Blech. Watching this made me feel sick... Castiel is back. So not excited for that. "Did you kill him?" I wish, I definitely wish. Dean is angry at least, glad he's not throwing himself at Castiel and fangirling like a twelve year old for Justin Bieber...

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  43. xLiesj22 March 2012 at 17:59

     Nah, US tv has to much commercials. At least I can watch Supernatural a day later without any.

    Besides, I like the place where I live too much to leave it. :)

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  44. ravenclawwit22 March 2012 at 18:08

    I'd give anythinbg for Bobby to come back. It'd probabvly be stretching credibility, but I don't even care. This season is just kind of sad and bleak without their little surrogate family around.

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  45. C P22 March 2012 at 18:15

    Yeah we all should be able to get excited about whatever we like. 

    I'm more of a Dean and Cas fan, but I love Sam and am just as excited to see what goes down with him as I am about Cas. I really want to see what causes Dean to bring Sam to the mental hospital and how it gets worst and what Hallucination!Lucifer will do to him. Just as I'm excited to see if Cas starts remembering things and if he can heal him. I'm hoping Sam's issue isn't completely resolved in one episode but it'll obvious be somewhat if Sam's up for the next hunt. 

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  46. C P22 March 2012 at 18:21

    This is how I see it. Sam and Dean have made mistakes too and Cas just sees things differently sometimes. 

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  47. C P22 March 2012 at 18:29

    Dean's not angry because he thinks Cas now as the healer is saying Sam's got a bad soul, he knows Cas is not saying that- I mean this Cas doesn't even remember Sam, he's going into this unbiased.

    What Dean is angry about is what Cas did, because he trusted him and he was the closest person to him after Sam and Bobby. When Cas said that it just brought those feelings Dean has more to the surface. 

    Sam's soul IS damaged. It doesn't make Sam a bad person, it just means physically it's a mess. Emotionally Sam is himself but the "physical" part of the soul is damaged from being stuck in the cage with Lucifer and Michael. 

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  48. C P22 March 2012 at 18:35

    I thought it was more in between Cas and Jimmy. I think Jimmy's voice was even more different than this one. 

    I think the voice change was done maybe because he doesn't remember being an angel, he's been around sick, dying, crying people for months while being "the healer". Maybe it's a representation of him having gotten softer or he learned to speak softer being around these situations. 

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  49. C P22 March 2012 at 18:40

    Why would you think there was any chance of Dean doing that? 

    I knew he would be and am glad Dean is angry. While I am a fan of Cas, I can agree with you on that part. 

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  50. Chanelle Montpetit22 March 2012 at 21:39

    pisufdeshbchw f e wchde c dcccccccccc
    I can't speak, breath, think, LIVE
    OMG. 

    OH SHIT AND IM NOT HERE ON FRIDAY dijcdi c kill me now

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  51. jeeves2223 March 2012 at 04:22

    That's definitely not what I meant to convey. I know a lot of J2/Wincesters hate Cas too. They're the ones who are up in arms whenever they see Cas in the passenger seat of a car, even though it's not the Impala, even though it would make no sense for him to sit anywhere else.

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  52. bluestarlit23 March 2012 at 09:12

    So glad Mischa is back can't wait for this episode

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  53. cns3e23 March 2012 at 16:51

     Actually, if I remember correctly.  Sam either threatened Bobby with a rifle and/or hit him over the head with the butt of the rifle.  Can't remember now.  That right there was something that was never dealt with.

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