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POLL : What did you think of The Walking Dead - Beside the Dying Fire?

19 Mar 2012

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  1. klutzy_girl19 March 2012 at 02:01

    I loved it! It was a great episode. WTF at Lori getting pissed off. DID YOU FORGET YOU ASKED RICK TO KILL "TAKE CARE OF SHANE" A FEW EPISODES AGO? What the hell.

    And Rick, you didn't think to bring up the fact that everyone is infected before? Really?

    Daryl and Carol continue to remain adorable. I hope they get together next season!

    Glenn and Maggie were also adorable. Loved Glenn telling Maggie he loved her! And I'm glad they're finally gone from the farm.

    I can't wait for next season!

    And this is weird - I hated Shane, but I miss him now. WTF?

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  2. chris68419 March 2012 at 02:16

    First half - wow! Second half lost me a little with Lori's reaction, Andrea's hooded rescuer, and everyone turning against Rick, and Rick's reaction. I've been tolerant of Lori so far but I really wanted to smack her.

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  3. ShOwFrEaK19 March 2012 at 02:20

    Well, it seems that Rick is really shaken mentally of him killing Shane or it's just the whole herd attack. I'm surprised that Rick's being harassed by the group over him not leading them to right the place or I got the sense that the group is blaming Rick for the herd attack. It was obvious Rick was going to snap, killed his close friend, had the herd attack, then lost the farm where he thought he could have the old life back. I say next season, Rick realizes that he needs to step back as a leader and have a communal leadership then just having one person leading the group. 

    Oh My Goodness, how does Carol get separated from Lori and others, and then she runs around like a headless chicken. I just don't see Carol having any right to tell Daryl to rebel against Rick and take over or say anything for that matter, since she didn't want to be involved in Randall's decision, so she forfeited the right to say anything like that. And Daryl was right, what the F*** does she want, Jesus Christ, lol. 

    As for the carrier crap and everyone is infected, I think it was fine how they portray this manner in the comic books because in the comic books we still don't know why the dead are becoming undead or anything. The CDC or season 1 finale episode, shouldn't have been done at all. It's just hard to swallow the carrier thing in biological standpoint.

    The was nice Mad Men promo of Walking Dead theme song and the characters of Mad Men acting like walkers, lol. 

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  4. RobertAriadne19 March 2012 at 02:23

    What a spectacular ending. 

    Despite all the BS (onscreen and off), I thought it was a really good season. It's a shame it took so long to really get going. Maybe Frank Darabont was the problem after all.I'm so excited to see Michonne; it'll be great to see a decent female character for a change (looking at YOU, Lori). I only hope they cast her right.

    The shootout at the barn was even better than Pretty Much Dead Already. THAT is the kind of action this show needs. 

    Andrew Lincoln can act, who'd thought! Maybe it's because he had some good material for a change. I hope he (and Jon Bernthal) get Emmy nods in July.

    And that last shot, WOW!!!!! I can't wait to go to the prison. There are so much more interesting stories to be told, WAY more than the farm. Not to mention, we still get to meet the Governor. I figure, if they're going to come back in the fall, but go on hiatus through the end of the football season (like this season); then the final shot in the fall will be like the end of Volume 3 (comics readers will know what I'm talking about).

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  5. Rhonda Wallace19 March 2012 at 02:24

    This was friggin' badass!

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  6. ShOwFrEaK19 March 2012 at 02:25

    I really thought Lori was mad about Carl getting involved in this rather than Rick killing Shane. 

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  7. DarqueMode19 March 2012 at 02:41

    I wonder if Lori will ever become a likable character? Seriously!
    "Hey Rick, Psssst I think Shane is evil and you need to do something"...... "Oh wait you mean you killed the guy that was trying to kill you?" * Confused facepalm* 
    She is just a basketcase and almost as bad as Carol.

    Speaking of Carol, I guess she wants a "man with honor" like her ex-husband? Wow! She is just not happy unless she is unhappy!

    Okay now that I'm past the rant portion of this.....
    AWESOME episode! I love how they killed off all the dead weight that they did not need continuing on to Season 3. Hey you! Yes you, HBO's True Blood - PAY ATTENTION!!! The story does not need more tangential characters each season. Sometimes you must cull the herd! 

    Loved the Michonne reveal. Just awesome to see a calm and collected bad ass who does not freak out when zombies are around. This group needs to take lessons!

    Just like in reality (at least in my limited zombie apocalypse experiences) the most annoying reactive burdens seem to cause the most drama and yet somehow have the nerve to try to complain about those that are pro-active and actually doing something!

    I swear I would go all Soup Nazi on them when they acted up! What you want to cause all this drama after being useless? No food for you! No coffee for you! Coffee is for closers!

    I am sincerely looking forward to a female character that is not a basketcase. Maggie was a good start this year, but she teetered on the fence and almost crossed over into "woe is me" mode a few times. Andrea has changed a lot too I guess, but she still comes off as an impetuous brat to me. I cannot picture Michonne breaking down and being pathetic like seemingly every other female has on the show.

    Overall this was a great an awesome episode and a good conclusion to a great season! I loved the slow burn in the first half of the year (even if the middle potion got a bit repetitive to me) and it all really paid off in the last few episodes!

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  8. DarqueMode19 March 2012 at 02:46

    I think hearing that Carl had a hand in re-killing Shane was the last straw, but she was definitely reacting to the news that Rick killed Shane before she heard about Carl's part in it. It felt like more of her passive-aggressive mind games to me.

    Regardless though, even if she was upset about Carl she needs to get over that. Carl needs to be raised in this new world in which they live and she can not hide him from the current realities! He needs a weapon, he needs to learn how to shoot, and she needs to prepare him for the world - not shelter him from it!

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  9. Linlighthouse19 March 2012 at 02:49

    And I don't think Rick took Jenner 100% seriously. In the beginning of the season, he was leaving a voice mail to Morgan and started say it, then backtracked and said, "oh, who cares what he told me?" Then he saw the guards with only scratches, and finally when he saw Shane turn, only then did he fully believe it.

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  10. Linlighthouse19 March 2012 at 02:57

    Exactly. By the way, I don't know if you had a chance to see The Talking Dead, but Laurie Holden was on and said Andrea has decided not to be a brat anymore. Good, because it made me mad when she went against the family's wishes and left Beth alone to try suicide.

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  11. DarqueMode19 March 2012 at 03:03

    I understood Rick's reasoning honestly. I would not have told everyone either.

    The group was just adjusting to this new world and needed to climate to their new lives and new surroundings. They needed hope, or at least to not feel hopeless!

    Telling them that they are all infected - EVERYONE is infected would have been EXACTLY the opposite of what they needed and exactly the wrong thing to do.

    On top of that, I'm not sure Rick was 100% confident in Jenner's analysis until he saw Shane turn when he did....

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  12. Linlighthouse19 March 2012 at 03:03

    Yes. Spectacular finale. Makes me want to see next season, and that's what a season finale should do. Andrew Lincoln's acting has been terrific, but I think Sarah's is also very good. Her Lori is very much like the comic version (I just read Book 2) and she's showing Lori as a conflicted woman who doesn't always think things through. Nobody here likes her, but I think it's supposed to be that way.

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  13. ShOwFrEaK19 March 2012 at 03:06

    Yeah, I agree she was reacting to Rick telling her that he killed Shane, but from what I interpreted her reaction as was more like "OMG, I can't believe Shane did that and you (Rick) had to put him down and I can't believe that you had to kill your close friend and all" 

    As for Carl and Lori mindset of keeping him away from this all is naive and foolish, but then she is a mother and I don't think she will "ever" agree fully for Carl to become a kid who needs to be taught all the "adult" thing at his age. Plus, Lori was against Carl being involved in any of this, him having a gun, and among other things that happened due to Carl having a gun. Another reason for her full blown pissed at Rick anger would be that "how could you let our son shoot anything and where were you?", but obviously she doesn't fully know what happen.

    But then again, Rick thought that Lori "was" mad at him about him killing Shane cause he was trying to justify to Lori during his no democracy speech to the group. 

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  14. Linlighthouse19 March 2012 at 03:06

    Danai Gurira is Jill, Delmond's girlfriend in Treme.

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  15. ShOwFrEaK19 March 2012 at 03:10

    Ohh! I don't watch that series so I didn't know, but now she has a one of the leading female roles, so i guess she'll be busy with The Walking Dead, lol. 

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  16. Linlighthouse19 March 2012 at 03:12

    What an excellent season finale. Rick is evolving as the kind of leader this group needs. They were all so comfy-cozy on that farm, and now that's blown to hell, so they're pissed off. What's with Carol and Maggie, egging on their guys to take leadership?

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  17. Linlighthouse19 March 2012 at 03:15

    She's a beautiful, New York sophisticate on Treme. So......this will be quite different!

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  18. Donna C19 March 2012 at 03:29

     Yes, THIS.  That's exactly what it was.  Mazzara confirmed it on Talking Dead tonight.

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  19. Ryan Lively19 March 2012 at 03:55

     I think for her, part of her change was allowing that to happen. It's why she made the decision to let Beth to do that. So that was post "Bratty" Andrea lol

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  20. Ryan Lively19 March 2012 at 04:01

     Well, in regards to Michonne's character on the show, Robert Kirkman said that while all the other characters are trying to figure out how to survive in the zombie apocalypse, Michonne has it pretty much figured out. Although, I guess it was a different experience for Michonne because she's been on here own coping with it.

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  21. DarqueMode19 March 2012 at 04:08

    I heard that and liked it!

    Plus I think that some people are just better at seeing through the distractions and drama and able to adjust more easily to new circumstances. some people simply do not have the mindset to adjust to even small things on the fly and react in counterproductive ways like going into a shell, being passive-aggressive or acting out against people actually trying to help them.

    I'm hoping Michonne is the type that can cut through the meaningless BS and do what needs to be done without whining and playing mind games.

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  22. Jenni Lou19 March 2012 at 04:43

     HOPE. Yes. As I was watching that scene I was waiting for Rick to tell them that this is why he did not tell them. And I can't be mad at him for it either. It doesn't change anything. It just takes away more of their hope.

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  23. Jenni Lou19 March 2012 at 04:48

     Get out of my brain. I have been absolutely tolerant of Lori. That is the perfect word. Even after her whole women should do laundry and let the men deal with the life or death issues speech. Now, girl needs to get over herself.

    Also agree with Carol. I've been fine with her. Even liked her a bit in the past. But she is so defenseless and weak. I know she was a battered spouse and all, but after surviving her husband, the constant threat of death, and the loss her of her daughter, she needs to find her strength already. She's also like the only one without a gun at this point. Well, her and Beth, I think.

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  24. Jenni Lou19 March 2012 at 04:54

     I am so back and forth with Andrea. The last couple episodes though, I like her. I think removing Dale and Shane from the picture is going to help her be a better character. Those two had her reacting in ways that made me dislike her. She was fighting like hell in the finale. I liked seeing her that way. How far she has come.

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  25. Daniel Alvarez19 March 2012 at 05:04

     i think from what i heard that carol will die at some point in the prison

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  26. J.d. Ruud19 March 2012 at 05:34

    Rick's character is all over the place. He and Lori are the two worst characters on this show, please let them get eaten.

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  27. Baff19 March 2012 at 06:38

    It wasn't Rick's fault that Carl was out there to kill Shane.  It was her responsibility to keep him in the house.

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  28. Baff19 March 2012 at 06:50

    I loved the episode, but...

    They had like 95% accuracy on head shots, even while hanging out the window of a swerving vehicle driving over rough ground.

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  29. Jenni Lou19 March 2012 at 07:06

     hahaha, I thought this too. I mean, they could thrown a few more misses in there!

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  30. magnutude19 March 2012 at 07:11

    LOVED it. Figured that the losses were going to be from Herschel's brood... disappointed in Lori for getting pissed at Rick after she basically pushed him to do something about Shane, and then Carol for suggesting that Rick hasn't been doing right by them... Loved that Darryl showed some loyalty to Rick and look forward to him stepping up as Rick's no. 2 next season, and the reveal that Michonne is here and that the "prison storyline" will be next season with the reveal at the very end.....

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  31. WolfTvAddict19 March 2012 at 08:15

    After watching the whole season and knowing when Frank Darabont was forced out, I wonder if he wasn't the problem the whole time too. The first season was excellent (don't get me wrong), but I have to wonder what couldn't be resolved between AMC and Darabont besides what's been in the press about budget disputes.

    If it was budget disputes, I don't know if Darabont didn't know how to deal with the budget cuts and still include more action like he wanted too, but if that was the case the new showrunner Glen Mazzara has had no problem at all with that. The first half of the season was ok in my opinion, but these last few episodes have been excellent and I'm psyched for the next season.

    Like I said I don't know the whole story, but at the very least Mazzara has done an excellent job stepping up to the plate as showrunner!

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  32. WolfTvAddict19 March 2012 at 08:49

     I think that Rick telling people at the end of the episode there's the door-either leave and take your chances or stay and follow my rules (as Rick said "this is not a democracy") is going to be where season 3 starts off personally.

    Rick seems to be really broken right now and I think that, as he began to show at the end of the episode the only way he's going to cope is to withdraw from being the type of man he normally is (good hearted, friendly, moral, willing to listen).

    As he told the group-he killed Shane for them (mostly for Lori and Carl, but Lori definitely seemed to want nothing to do with him in the end). When he was talking to Lori he basically admitted that he was tired of living and wanted to let Shane just kill him so he didn't have to deal with anything anymore, but he changed his mind at the last second.

    In an interview with Jon Bernthal (a.k.a. Shane), he said that he thought that in the final scene between Shane and Rick, Shane loved Lori and Carl and he realized that without them he had nothing and wasn't fit for the world. So he challenged Rick to see if Rick had what it took to take care of Lori and Carl in this world by killing him (and if he didn't Shane would kill him and get Lori and Carl).

    I think after realizing that nowhere is safe-Rick had sort of built up a fantasy of the farm being a safe haven forever, then Lori turning her back on him after he killed Shane for her, and then the group questioning his ability to keep them safe (the very thing that he had killed Shane to prove-subconsciously of course) Rick's going to become a lot more like Shane was (hardcore, unfeeling, detached, etc).

    He's furious at the world for becoming what it's become, he's mad at Shane for forcing him to choose between dying himself or killing him, and right now I think he's mad at himself because he's not sure if he can protect the group. I think Rick's going to close himself off and "toughen" himself up in order to ensure the groups' safety. My prediction is tonight's Rick is a glimpse of next season's Rick.

    Lol sorry for the character over-analysis. I just really liked the turn in Rick and how it came about and I'm excited to see where it'll go! 

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  33. DarqueMode19 March 2012 at 09:36

    This!

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  34. DarqueMode19 March 2012 at 09:38

    I was thinking about how accurate they all were too!
    Maybe it was adrenaline-fueled target mastery? XD

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  35. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 10:51

    Lori never was able to keep Carl inside the house. All season long he was told to go inside, but he rarely did. Great job in these dangerous times...

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  36. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 10:52

    Don't know why this was a reason for Carol to think about leaving. It's ridiculous.

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  37. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 10:54

    First half was just action and the episode also needed a bit of drama, that's what the second half provided.
    The thing is that they just wanted to show how Rick has changed and I liked that a lot.

    But I agree on the fact that Lori & Carol acted dumb.

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  38. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 11:04

    Well, her role on Treme isn't very big, you only see her a couple of times when Delmond is back in New York.
    I really hope she is up to this.

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  39. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 11:04

    Her role on Treme has been very minor anyway.

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  40. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 11:13

    That was pretty damn awesome.

    Loads of action in the first half. And way better action than in last year's season finale. Awesome shots like the one when the barn collapsed while the walkers were heading towards the farm, that one looked great.

    And then some pretty good drama after that.
    Nevertheless most of the women continue to be annoying. I mean what the hell in wrong with Lori. There are already plenty of comments on this, but first she wants Rick to get rid of Shane, then Shane is about to kill Rick and now she is mad? I couldn't be more annoyed by her.
    And Carol questioning Rick's leadership because he didn't tell them about Jenner's theory earlier? She never spoke up so far, but now seemed like a good starting point for her? Seriously?

    But I really liked Rick's speach. Just showed how much he has changed and showed where we are going in the next season which should be a bit mor like the comics than this season (not that I really care anymore).

    Finally a glimpse of Michonne. No worrying whether or not she will show, she'll be a big part of season 3. We also saw the prison, the governor has been cast. Comic readers have a good idea of what's coming next although some pretty good stuff from the prison won't be possible anymore (although I doubt they would show that on TV anyway).
    Now they just need to find Tyreese on the way over to the prison, either give T-Dog more to do or feed him to the zombies and I'm happy.

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  41. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 11:15

    Same thought I had too. Just seeing an ineffective show every now and then would have been better.
    And how much ammo did Hershel have in that shotgun? He did fire a lot of consecutive shots before re-loading...

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  42. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 11:15

    Well, Rick is the main character of the show. He's pretty safe.

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  43. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 11:16

    I hope she finally gets closer to the character she is in the comics. So far I hated TV Andrea.

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  44. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 11:18

    She does what needs to get done so that she can survive, but she also isn't the type of person to really step up and makes big decisions for the group.
    But there should be no whining and playing mind games with her.

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  45. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 11:20

    I think the moment Andrea decided not to be a brat anymore was later, when she took Dale's side in the Randall discusion.

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  46. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 11:20

    Good to hear that, I would like not to hate her anymore.

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  47. Stickoxydal19 March 2012 at 11:23

    Mazzara has done a good job, but I think to really be able to judge his abiolities we need to wait on season 3. Nevertheless the second half of the season was great (I liked the first half too), so I think he'll do a great job.

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  48. Chris Kelly19 March 2012 at 12:16

    Amazing finale! Only 7 months until season 3, people! ARGH!

    One thing that did not sit well with me was the group's reaction to Rick's news about the infection... maybe I've just watched too many zombie movies to think it's big information, but it's hardly something that matters. And Rick had a good reason not to tell, since he didn't even know it was true til Shane died.

    I'm trying to watch Lori's reaction to Rick's speech about Shane, and I think it's to do with Carl shooting Shane, more than Rick having to kill Shane.

    The first appearance of Michonne was great! Really looking forward to her appearance in season 3, as well as the prison setting. I would like to know if they'll stay there past season 3, since they're actually there for quite a number of months in the books. Hell it isn't even until book 8 that they leave it. And only one book was spent at Hershal's farm.

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  49. Simon Aitken19 March 2012 at 12:27

    Terrific finale on all fronts! Herchel with a shotgun defending his home at any cost was heartbreaking when Rick told him that it wasn't his home anymore. One of the best finales I have seen in a long time! The action in the episode should keep the complainers at bay, probably not, but still.

    10/10

    6 votes for Awful, seriously?! HOW COULD YOU SAY THIS FINALE WAS AWFUL?!?
     

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  50. Linlighthouse19 March 2012 at 12:37

    Yes, that was it.

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  51. Linlighthouse19 March 2012 at 12:43

    Agree. For what we've seen of her, she's not exactly "badass."

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  52. RobertAriadne19 March 2012 at 13:44

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. TV Lori is NOT like Comic Lori. Comic Lori, even if she can be overprotective of Carl and resentful of Rick, is not the manipulative psycho-bitch that is TV Lori. 
    Take the affair with Shane: in the comic it was an impulsive night of passion brought on by desperation. You could understand, even if you didn't approve. TV Lori on the other hand, it seemed like she was waiting for Rick to get out of the picture before she made her move.

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  53. Linlighthouse19 March 2012 at 14:20

    And yet I found myself not liking the comic version either. I read Book Two, arrival at the prison to Rick's speech about the need to face that no one is going to know the comforts of home as they used to. But I agree about Lori not being necessarily thrilled when Rick sauntered in. But Shane and Lori would have been a terrible match. Two psychos.

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  54. RobertAriadne19 March 2012 at 14:42

    Yeah, you're right. Comic Lori was no great prize, either. But you never saw her driving after Rick and flipping her car over.

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  55. Jason19 March 2012 at 15:05

     You are probably right about carol. I hope they don't kill Daryl off next season but that might happen too.

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  56. Linlighthouse19 March 2012 at 15:13

    LOL! Looked like a clip from FOX's "The World's Worst Drivers."

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  57. dunmif19 March 2012 at 15:14

    I'm probably the only one who thought of Prison Break at the end of the episode...


    They should cross the shows. I'd fucking love to see them go in to the prison and find T-Bag with his dead arm, there alone, either has killed everybody or eaten them.

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  58. Jason19 March 2012 at 15:16

     Nice Baff! I was thinking the same thing too when Hershrel was firing his shotgun and getting head shots no problem like it was a rifle with a scope.

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  59. Jason19 March 2012 at 15:19

     I thought it was BS how Jimmy died but I guess the zombies figured out how to open a door. I guess you make sure to lock the doors when you get in a car. =)

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  60. Linlighthouse19 March 2012 at 15:35

    Mazzara talked about the barn collapse on The Talking Dead. It was total good fortune that someone noticed the collapse about to happen and all the zombie actors were told to quickly get in place so they could get the shot..

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  61. Luke James Farmer19 March 2012 at 16:47

    It's a bit like Chuck and the whole "Say in the car!" thing :P

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  62. Seth William19 March 2012 at 16:51

    Michonne looks awesome...never read the comics, but it sounds like she's going to be pretty badass.  I thought Andrea was pretty cool too..she took down a lot of walkers.  I'll echo the previous statements regarding Lori, Carol, and Rick.  

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  63. magnutude19 March 2012 at 17:01

    I agree. I was thinking that he might stop to let them jump on the roof, tell them to hold on and drive to a place that wasn't as infested by walkers... but like you said, some of these zombies were a little more proficient with using their door opening skills... lol

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  64. Jason19 March 2012 at 17:27

     Lori will probably die in season 3 but the TV show doesn't follow the comics completely which makes it exciting for people that read them.

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  65. dharmalager19 March 2012 at 20:05

    I'm just happy there was a Chuck reference! Haha

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  66. Joshua Bower20 March 2012 at 01:11

    That was AWESOME! The first twenty minutes... oh my gosh, full on adrenaline rush! The music was so intense the whole time. Amazing.

    The second half was slower but I loved how it set up next season. So glad Andrea survived, I've actually grown to really like her. Hershel too was awesome, as was Daryl. Even starting to like Maggie and Carol!

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  67. Stupot81520 March 2012 at 01:57

    Voted awesome.  My only gripe was in the opening sequence, the herd seemed to be coming from the complete opposite direction from how they were seen coming at the end of 2.12, but I'll let it slide as no one else has mentioned it, so it's probably my eyesight :P

    My favourite moment in this finale was actually when Daryl defended Rick.  I absolutley loved this moment, and you could see in his face that he recognizes Rick as a good leader and resented listening to Carols comments to the contrary.  Can't wait to see more of Daryl in S3.

    I haven't read the comics so have absolutely no idea who this Micchone is.  She seems cool, but I found it a bit unrealistic that someone can survive on their own in zombie infested woods, whilst dragging two armless walkers around with her... when Andrea was struggling to drag a bag of ammo around with her.  And why weren't those walkers trying to eat her... sure they had no arms and were on chains but they were making no attempt to attack her.  Has she somehow trained them or something?

    Tincy bit disappointed that we didn't get to meet this other group (Randall's men), although I'd be surprised if they were still alive.  Was also hoping for a bit of a clue about Merle's whereabouts.  Maybe he'll show up in the prison.

    As for Rick, I absolutely love him.  I have no qualms with any of the decisions that he's made in the past two episodes.  I'm fed up with Lori, and the only way Carl can be allowed to man up is if she dies.  When that happens, Carl will grow into a survivor.

    I was waiting for T-Dog's moment in the spotlight that was promised in last weeks Kirman interviews...  If arguing with Lori for two minutes before giving in to her counts as a 'moment' then his character is doomed.  The writers must surely have big plans for him in S3, because they would surely not have kept him alive this episode.  It must be hard for Singleton as an actor to be in this position.  I have no doubt he can act but he;s not being given a chance.  He must be fully aware he's just the token black guy.  I expect big things from him next season.

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  68. Chris Kelly20 March 2012 at 02:22

    Michonne could survive because the scent from the two walkers she drags around would put off any other zombies from attacking her. Same way Rick and Glenn got through all those zombies in atlanta in season one.
    Also, the two walkers she keeps on chains don't have jaws as well as no arms. They don't have the ability to cause her harm. So you could describe them as her "neutered pets".

    I've read the comics, Michonne is cool.

    I agree with you about Daryl and T-Dog. Daryl has become such a great character, and loved when he jumped to Rick's defense. It makes me uncomfortable watching Singleton in any of the behind the scenes stuff, just cause he has nothing to say about his character and just spouts the usual "this show just keeps getting better" when everyone else discusses where their character is going (watch the new video that's up, talking about the next season). I'm hoping he does get more stuff next season, especially with Merle possibly coming back, and with Michonne being there.

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  69. nyifancentral20 March 2012 at 05:57

    That was a lot of fun, some inconsistencies but fair to write the episode delivered on all counts with some great acting. Looks like the RV was burned too.

    Keeping Scott Wilson was an excellent call, he'll make the loss of Jeff DeMunn hurt a little less.

    Seemed reasonable for Rick to hold Jenner's secret thinking he was wrong or crazy until he had proof.

    One thing bothered me was if everyone who dies becomes a walker how come Dave and Tony did not become walkers, neither were shot in the head. Also all the people in the cars who died were obviously not eaten or were all shot in the head from their seats, once they rotted away they should have turned too.

    Lori's all set to be the next Shane, I guess someone has to be the hypocritical bad person in the group or she simply did not understand that Shane wanted Rick dead.

    Someone sure did not follow Jim's advice in season one to keep Carl close.

    Being a person who never read the comic, not sure how the headless walkers still don't run up and bite Mischonne (whatever) unless she cut out their teeth too? That hour drive had to put some big distance between Andrea and the group.

    For those ratings they should restore the original season two opening with the deleted Vattos footage and put it on AMC would draw some huge ratings.

    Anyone else think AJax (James Remar/Warriors) would be a nickname Glen can throw at Darryl that people would remember and laugh at like Shortround?

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  70. LOSTNerdBomber20 March 2012 at 06:04

    "To relay what we heard
    without fully understanding it will cause a panic. If we tell them what
    we know we take away their hope. And hope is a very dangerous thing to
    lose" - Sayid Jarrah 

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  71. nyifancentral20 March 2012 at 06:15

     If Merle returns full time you can bet Mr Singleton's talents will finally be put to work.

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  72. Stickoxydal20 March 2012 at 09:29

    Watched Talking Dead later and saw that too. Glad someone paid attention, it looked really great!

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  73. Stickoxydal20 March 2012 at 09:33

    After rewatching I have to say I completely forgot to mention the opening scene. It was pretty great seeing how the herd started off, but I think it was way better for people who read the comics then for people who didn't. In the comic Eugene explained herds and how they work pretty well. It just takes one zombie to accidently touch a doorknob, another zombies sees this, thinks this one tried to get inside the door and suddenly you have a load of zombies trying to get into a house.
    I think they tried to illustrate that somehow with the opening scene, but I don't think non comic readers really got that.

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  74. Stupot81520 March 2012 at 15:27

    "Also all the people in the cars who died were obviously not eaten or were all shot in the head from their seats, once they rotted away they should have turned too."

    I read last week, possibly in a Kirkman interview, but I've forgotten exactly, that they were actually careful to ensure that any of the people in the cars were in a position where they could have undergone some kind of head trauma.  This seems right because not all the cars were occupied, so it makes sense that some of them could have turned into walkers and left the area long before our gang turned up.

    I'm also still not convinced about Micchone's armless walkers.  Sure they have no arms or jaws but they are making no attempt to attack her.  They are on chains but that only serves to keep them near her, she has no way of keeping them a certain distance from her, so they should be trying to attack her.  The only way around this is if they actually have some kind of intelligence that makes them realise trying to bite her would be futile.  In which case, that's a game-changer, because the walkers are much more intelligent than I thought.

    Infact, this adds to what Stickoxydal says below.  I did notice how when the fence started to collapse they all converged on that part of the fence.  It's like they knew that would be more effective than all walking into different parts of the fence.  And when it finally did collapse, they all just funnelled patiently through the gap.  This suggests some degree of residual intelligence.

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  75. nyifancentral20 March 2012 at 19:11

     Thanks, good stuff.

    Still does not explain Dave and especially Tony not getting up after being shot in the chest.

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  76. nyifancentral21 March 2012 at 06:02

     All I can say is Rick Grimes is not a good leader of horses.

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  77. rehabber21 March 2012 at 12:01

    I liked it and glad Shane is GONE, but one thing bothers me about this show.  They are running from walkers, usually living very primitive and most of these women have LONG HAIR.  Is it just me this bothers.  Carol and Maggie are the only ones with realistic hair.  It would take more water for the hair than the rest of the body to keep clean.  Yes I am female and yes I do keep my hair short.

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  78. Kitteh Kat22 March 2012 at 01:39

    I thought I was weird for missing Shane, seeing as I hated him so much. I think his last episode made me sympathise for him. It's that MOTHERFUCKIN' LORI! She gets all bitchy at Rick because Carl re-killed Shane. It's not even his fault. If that woman kept her damn legs closed and actually looked after her kid, instead of blaming everyone else for her fuck ups, Dale would probably still be alive. You'd think after Sophia, Carl would be on house arrest or some shit. MOTHERFUCKIN' LORI!

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  79. ShOwFrEaK8 April 2014 at 02:34

    Yeah, I agree she was reacting to Rick telling her that he killed Shane, but from what I interpreted her reaction as was more like "OMG, I can't believe Shane did that and you (Rick) had to put him down and I can't believe that you had to kill your close friend and all" 

    As for Carl and Lori mindset of keeping him away from this all is naive and foolish, but then she is a mother and I don't think she will "ever" agree fully for Carl to become a kid who needs to be taught all the "adult" thing at his age. Plus, Lori was against Carl being involved in any of this, him having a gun, and among other things that happened due to Carl having a gun. Another reason for her full blown pissed at Rick anger would be that "how could you let our son shoot anything and where were you?", but obviously she doesn't fully know what happen.

    But then again, Rick thought that Lori "was" mad at him about him killing Shane cause he was trying to justify to Lori during his no democracy speech to the group. 

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  80. Linlighthouse8 April 2014 at 02:34

    LOL! Looked like a clip from FOX's "The World's Worst Drivers."

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