" I found a guy who can tell us what' going on, but uh.... he's not really in a talking mood right now." XD "No! I'm just tired of using pronouns" XD
I liked Detective Fusco connected to the misunderstood inmate since he himself is misunderstood... It was obvious Jordan(f) was the real mastermind, but despite that it was a fun ride!
I like this show as a weekly escape, but It's no longer "must see" for me. Too predictable and too procedural without enough ongoing serialization for me personally.
It's actually the opposite for me. While at the beginning it was a weekly escape, it is now a must see. I'd say that by the end of the season, it'd probably be a must see again for you!
Maybe and I would certainly not mind that at all... I hope so! A nice run of a handful of episodes all dealing with Finch's backstory, Reese's backstory and/or the Machine would get me into it for sure.
I just get bored by any show after more than 3 or 4 COTW episodes in a short span (including a show I love like FRINGE). I can save episodes and enjoy them later when the mood hits me usually. As for the week to week aspect though I lose interest when a show gets too predictable or repetitive like all procedural shows do to me.
Loved it. Finch/Crow/Wren on E, a joy to behold - especially watching the chem bomb in the microwave - what a hoot. Loved that we got lots of Fusco tonight on the light side and poignant part in relating to the misunderstood inmate. Nice twist with a disgruntled Carter finding out a bit more about Reese and whatever the CIA was doing before, and I look forward to when the inevitable build up to the season finale begins...
Great episode. Finch hilarious under effect of drugs, Reese is very kick ass. I like a lot of the introduction of the FBI, i think this agency will be important at the end of the season, to help Carter and the rest of the "Team Machine".
That's why mini-series are the best format. 6-13 episodes, closed story, no problem. Or Brtish format of 6 per year. If the story is good, you always come back for the next season. I guess it's tough to pull off 22 eps a season full of serialization with no or small number of fillers. You would really need a good and expansive story to tell. I can only think of several - Battlestar Galactica, Lost, Supernatural (seasons 1-5) Fringe (though they really have pacing issues) and GoT (though it's an adaptation so it's different) . Other than that, you have great format for week to week proceedings (like House or Mad Men, for example).
Agreed. Very few 22-26-episode series are my thing. I love the 12 and 13-episode series on AMC, FX, HBO and Showtime.... and a few other stations in the US. Very few if any episodes are repetitive and feel like the episode from 3 weeks ago.
That's why I have yet to dislike an AMC series. There slogan of "Story Matters Here" is really accurate. All their series are story driven more than character driven and it just strikes a chord with me I guess.
As much as I like Fringe I think that it never was or will be a true serial (be that good or bad). The first season was fun mostly... I almost quit watching in Season 2 since it started off so COTW for the first half. Then they really kicked into heavy myth arc serial towards the end and I loved it. Season 3 sadly repeated the same format and left me wanting until after the midway point. Season 4 is just starting to kick into gear.....
I love UK seasons of 6-8 episodes. Quite often it's 3 stories with 2 episodes each. Always good in depth plotting and real meat to the characters as well since they can work into the story and not just be characters themselves like most US network series leads.
I do have issues with some of the UK series that are 3 episodes. Too short for me honestly. I can handle three 2-hour episodes like Sherlock does, but after 9 or 10 months of waiting I like a new season to last more than 3 weeks I guess.
It's no coincidence that most Emmy winning series that past 5 or 10 years have been serialized and recently almost always on cable. You just simply get a better story that allows the actors to show more emotional depth.
Apologies for the rant. It's all too easy to get me to babble on about how I miss network serials. XD
Ha, no apologies needed. I agree. However, I find it curious that it is precisely the procedurals that are the most watched shows, even though they are so predictable, they could be put in dictionaries under the word's definition.
Yes, fun to see Finch mistake Reese to Ingram. I sort of knew it was the female Jordan too. My rationalization behind it was the simplistic lifestyle lead by the male Jordan eventhough he is making more than enough money to at least buy furniture. Among the two, I thought it was her the moment I saw both of their houses. I liked the FBI reveal. They showed that Reese was doing Ops in the US in a previous episode which made me wonder how CIA could operate domestically. Apparently, FBI wants to ask the same question too. The manner in which the FBI dude (I forgot his name) describes Reese sort of made me look at Reese in a new way when he threw the water at one of those guys and fooled them. Throughout he looked so cool and at ease. Almost sociopathic; which was how the FBI guy described him.
The best part of the as a whole is the bigger picture. If you stand back and sum up everything that is going on, there is a lot of take in. Elias' move to control the crime in New York. The CIA trying to get to Reese. Finch's machine. Reese past. The corrupt section of the police, HR. And now the FBI trying to investigate CIA Ops. All this gives the show a kind of personality that I have not seen in any other procedural.
I haven't watched a lot of UK shows. I watched Case Histories recently and thought it was really awesome. Sherlock is next on my list. Can you recommend some other good UK shows to watch?
Sure! What genre do you like Crime Thriller? PEriod Drama? So many options out there, but I will suggest mostly Crime Thriller since I think you like that judging by Case Histories.Have you checked out "Luther" starring Idris Elba? It's brilliant! The series is quite dark and psychological and very well done!One of my favorite series is from a few years back called "Wired in the Blood" starring Robson Greene. He stars as a forensic psychologist that helps out the police in a number of violent and dark crimes... often serial or spree killers. He gets inside the mind of the killer more than just trying to apprehend them and it takes him to some dark places. IT ran for 6 seasons on ITV.Another I enjoy a lot is "Whitechapel". It is about the Whitechapel police unit as they take on crimes that seem to follow historical crimes of the past. The first season dealt with Jack the Ripper. IT is dark and has a lot of humor too. IT does have some serious cringe worthy moments and a strong need for suspension of disbelief, but something about it I find VERY entertaining.There are a few Crime Dramas based on book series recently:Thorne starring David Morrisey as a detective or DCI as the UK say. (2 seasons)Above Suspicion starring Ciaran Hinds (Ceasar in HBO's Rome) and Kelly Reilly. I like Hinds a lot , but it is not a top notch show like some others really.(4 seasons)A cancelled series called "Zen" that starred Rufus Sewell as an Italian detective. IT is lighter and more "fun" than the typical Crime Thriller."Top Boy" is an interest character piece about inner city crime in a particular neighborhood. Somewhat like The Wire without the police elements. A lot of unknown actors but I found it interesting.There is a short lived series called "Identity" that is being reworked for a US network this year. It starred Aidan Gillen as the leader of a team that helped identity theft victims and investigated the criminals that stole identities. Not brilliant, but Gillen was great as ever. BTW Aidan Gillen is also in the series "Thorne" I mentioned earlier. Here's a few non-Crime series:Downton Abbey is one of the best Period Dramas I have seen. It follows life for the servants and the lords and ladies at a particular family manner called Downton Abbey.A lot of dry humor and good drama.Another recent series is "The Hour" with Dominic West rom the Wire about a 1960s news show and the news people connected to it. It also has a bit of a conspiracy/ spy element to it as well. A few years back there was a brilliant mini-series called "State of Play" that became a mediocre US movie with Affleck and Crowe. The series is well worth checking out though. It stars John Simm, Bill Nighy, Kelly McDonald, Phillip Glennister and David Morrisey. Recently "Inside Men" was interesting. About a humdrum, by the book bank manager that decides to try to rip off the equivalent of a UK Federal Reserve Bank for millions. Four episodes of some great drama starring Steven Mackintosh."Kidnap and Ransom" stars Terror Eve as a negotiator that travels the world trying to help families who have members kidnapped. I found it interesting since it has a different feel than most things on tV. Much of the show is shot in less seen parts of the world like Africa or India and I find the negotiation process fascinating. I also really liked the original season of "Strike Back" that aired in the UK on Sky 1. It starred Richard Armitage and Andrew Lincoln and was about a Spec Ops operator who tries to stop plots... somewhat like Jack Bauer on 24, but not as adrenaline fueled or big budget. The acting was great and I liked seeing the other parts of the world and not just US terror plots like on 24.
IF you get back to me after watching one or two that you really like or dislike I can suggest more with a better idea, but that should be a good list to keep you busy! XD
I think the variety of sub-plots that relate to the bigger picture is a big part of why I keep watching eek to week and enjoying Person of Interest and it is something that the large majority or procedural shows simply do not have.
I would like it more if the start to merge a few of the sub-plots together and really explore them more deeply, but just touching on the bigger picture and letting us know there is more to the series than strict procedural is a good start I guess!
thanks for all the suggestions. I will try some and let you know what I think. yes, you guessed correctly, crime thrillers are my favorite. I also like psychological thrillers and suspense, but I dont see that much on TV.
Can I have your e-mail ID? We can discuss it better than on SpoilerTV comments section. :)
I think you may like Wire in the Blood quite a bit then. It has a lot of psych aspects to it since he tries to get inside the killers mind to understand them/ capture them/ help them.
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OMG! Michael Emerson nailed it .. he turned a rather bit dull episode much more epic.. He was AMAZING! that's all I'm gonna say...
ReplyDeleteAlways enjoy the one-liners on here!
ReplyDelete" I found a guy who can tell us what' going on, but uh.... he's not really in a talking mood right now." XD
"No! I'm just tired of using pronouns" XD
I liked Detective Fusco connected to the misunderstood inmate since he himself is misunderstood...
It was obvious Jordan(f) was the real mastermind, but despite that it was a fun ride!
I like this show as a weekly escape, but It's no longer "must see" for me. Too predictable and too procedural without enough ongoing serialization for me personally.
It's actually the opposite for me. While at the beginning it was a weekly escape, it is now a must see. I'd say that by the end of the season, it'd probably be a must see again for you!
ReplyDeleteMaybe and I would certainly not mind that at all... I hope so!
ReplyDeleteA nice run of a handful of episodes all dealing with Finch's backstory, Reese's backstory and/or the Machine would get me into it for sure.
I just get bored by any show after more than 3 or 4 COTW episodes in a short span (including a show I love like FRINGE). I can save episodes and enjoy them later when the mood hits me usually. As for the week to week aspect though I lose interest when a show gets too predictable or repetitive like all procedural shows do to me.
Loved it. Finch/Crow/Wren on E, a joy to behold - especially watching the chem bomb in the microwave - what a hoot. Loved that we got lots of Fusco tonight on the light side and poignant part in relating to the misunderstood inmate. Nice twist with a disgruntled Carter finding out a bit more about Reese and whatever the CIA was doing before, and I look forward to when the inevitable build up to the season finale begins...
ReplyDeleteGreat episode. Finch hilarious under effect of drugs, Reese is very kick ass. I like a lot of the introduction of the FBI, i think this agency will be important at the end of the season, to help Carter and the rest of the "Team Machine".
ReplyDeleteThat's why mini-series are the best format. 6-13 episodes, closed story, no problem. Or Brtish format of 6 per year. If the story is good, you always come back for the next season. I guess it's tough to pull off 22 eps a season full of serialization with no or small number of fillers. You would really need a good and expansive story to tell. I can only think of several - Battlestar Galactica, Lost, Supernatural (seasons 1-5) Fringe (though they really have pacing issues) and GoT (though it's an adaptation so it's different) . Other than that, you have great format for week to week proceedings (like House or Mad Men, for example).
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
ReplyDeleteVery few 22-26-episode series are my thing. I love the 12 and 13-episode series on AMC, FX, HBO and Showtime.... and a few other stations in the US. Very few if any episodes are repetitive and feel like the episode from 3 weeks ago.
That's why I have yet to dislike an AMC series. There slogan of "Story Matters Here" is really accurate. All their series are story driven more than character driven and it just strikes a chord with me I guess.
As much as I like Fringe I think that it never was or will be a true serial (be that good or bad). The first season was fun mostly... I almost quit watching in Season 2 since it started off so COTW for the first half. Then they really kicked into heavy myth arc serial towards the end and I loved it. Season 3 sadly repeated the same format and left me wanting until after the midway point. Season 4 is just starting to kick into gear.....
I love UK seasons of 6-8 episodes. Quite often it's 3 stories with 2 episodes each. Always good in depth plotting and real meat to the characters as well since they can work into the story and not just be characters themselves like most US network series leads.
I do have issues with some of the UK series that are 3 episodes. Too short for me honestly. I can handle three 2-hour episodes like Sherlock does, but after 9 or 10 months of waiting I like a new season to last more than 3 weeks I guess.
It's no coincidence that most Emmy winning series that past 5 or 10 years have been serialized and recently almost always on cable. You just simply get a better story that allows the actors to show more emotional depth.
Apologies for the rant. It's all too easy to get me to babble on about how I miss network serials. XD
Ha, no apologies needed. I agree. However, I find it curious that it is precisely the procedurals that are the most watched shows, even though they are so predictable, they could be put in dictionaries under the word's definition.
ReplyDeleteLMAO @ Finch- "WhhAaaAAAAAaaTT" this was a great episode. really enjoyed it. ;o) Emerson knocked it out the park as usual.
ReplyDeleteHello FBI man.. can't believe they think he works for Elias! hee hee crahzy!
Yes, fun to see Finch mistake Reese to Ingram.
ReplyDeleteI sort of knew it was the female Jordan too. My rationalization behind it was the simplistic lifestyle lead by the male Jordan eventhough he is making more than enough money to at least buy furniture. Among the two, I thought it was her the moment I saw both of their houses.
I liked the FBI reveal. They showed that Reese was doing Ops in the US in a previous episode which made me wonder how CIA could operate domestically. Apparently, FBI wants to ask the same question too.
The manner in which the FBI dude (I forgot his name) describes Reese sort of made me look at Reese in a new way when he threw the water at one of those guys and fooled them. Throughout he looked so cool and at ease. Almost sociopathic; which was how the FBI guy described him.
The best part of the as a whole is the bigger picture. If you stand back and sum up everything that is going on, there is a lot of take in. Elias' move to control the crime in New York. The CIA trying to get to Reese. Finch's machine. Reese past. The corrupt section of the police, HR. And now the FBI trying to investigate CIA Ops. All this gives the show a kind of personality that I have not seen in any other procedural.
I haven't watched a lot of UK shows. I watched Case Histories recently and thought it was really awesome.
ReplyDeleteSherlock is next on my list.
Can you recommend some other good UK shows to watch?
Sure!
ReplyDeleteWhat genre do you like Crime Thriller? PEriod Drama? So many options out there, but I will suggest mostly Crime Thriller since I think you like that judging by Case Histories.Have you checked out "Luther" starring Idris Elba? It's brilliant! The series is quite dark and psychological and very well done!One of my favorite series is from a few years back called "Wired in the Blood" starring Robson Greene. He stars as a forensic psychologist that helps out the police in a number of violent and dark crimes... often serial or spree killers. He gets inside the mind of the killer more than just trying to apprehend them and it takes him to some dark places. IT ran for 6 seasons on ITV.Another I enjoy a lot is "Whitechapel". It is about the Whitechapel police unit as they take on crimes that seem to follow historical crimes of the past. The first season dealt with Jack the Ripper. IT is dark and has a lot of humor too. IT does have some serious cringe worthy moments and a strong need for suspension of disbelief, but something about it I find VERY entertaining.There are a few Crime Dramas based on book series recently:Thorne starring David Morrisey as a detective or DCI as the UK say. (2 seasons)Above Suspicion starring Ciaran Hinds (Ceasar in HBO's Rome) and Kelly Reilly. I like Hinds a lot , but it is not a top notch show like some others really.(4 seasons)A cancelled series called "Zen" that starred Rufus Sewell as an Italian detective. IT is lighter and more "fun" than the typical Crime Thriller."Top Boy" is an interest character piece about inner city crime in a particular neighborhood. Somewhat like The Wire without the police elements. A lot of unknown actors but I found it interesting.There is a short lived series called "Identity" that is being reworked for a US network this year. It starred Aidan Gillen as the leader of a team that helped identity theft victims and investigated the criminals that stole identities. Not brilliant, but Gillen was great as ever. BTW Aidan Gillen is also in the series "Thorne" I mentioned earlier. Here's a few non-Crime series:Downton Abbey is one of the best Period Dramas I have seen. It follows life for the servants and the lords and ladies at a particular family manner called Downton Abbey.A lot of dry humor and good drama.Another recent series is "The Hour" with Dominic West rom the Wire about a 1960s news show and the news people connected to it. It also has a bit of a conspiracy/ spy element to it as well. A few years back there was a brilliant mini-series called "State of Play" that became a mediocre US movie with Affleck and Crowe. The series is well worth checking out though. It stars John Simm, Bill Nighy, Kelly McDonald, Phillip Glennister and David Morrisey. Recently "Inside Men" was interesting. About a humdrum, by the book bank manager that decides to try to rip off the equivalent of a UK Federal Reserve Bank for millions. Four episodes of some great drama starring Steven Mackintosh."Kidnap and Ransom" stars Terror Eve as a negotiator that travels the world trying to help families who have members kidnapped. I found it interesting since it has a different feel than most things on tV. Much of the show is shot in less seen parts of the world like Africa or India and I find the negotiation process fascinating.
I also really liked the original season of "Strike Back" that aired in the UK on Sky 1. It starred Richard Armitage and Andrew Lincoln and was about a Spec Ops operator who tries to stop plots... somewhat like Jack Bauer on 24, but not as adrenaline fueled or big budget. The acting was great and I liked seeing the other parts of the world and not just US terror plots like on 24.
IF you get back to me after watching one or two that you really like or dislike I can suggest more with a better idea, but that should be a good list to keep you busy! XD
I think the variety of sub-plots that relate to the bigger picture is a big part of why I keep watching eek to week and enjoying Person of Interest and it is something that the large majority or procedural shows simply do not have.
ReplyDeleteI would like it more if the start to merge a few of the sub-plots together and really explore them more deeply, but just touching on the bigger picture and letting us know there is more to the series than strict procedural is a good start I guess!
Just to make sure I understand, what does HR stand for?
ReplyDeletethanks for all the suggestions. I will try some and let you know what I think. yes, you guessed correctly, crime thrillers are my favorite. I also like psychological thrillers and suspense, but I dont see that much on TV.
ReplyDeleteCan I have your e-mail ID? We can discuss it better than on SpoilerTV comments section. :)
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ReplyDeleteI think you may like Wire in the Blood quite a bit then. It has a lot of psych aspects to it since he tries to get inside the killers mind to understand them/ capture them/ help them.
I agree... not enough psycho-dramas on TV.
Finnch is High! Funny!
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