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26 Mar 2012

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72 comments:

  1. fotreya26 March 2012 at 01:57

    GREAT¡¡
    I loved more 1x16 but that epi was great too

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  2. klutzy_girl26 March 2012 at 01:57

    I loved it! I felt so bad for The Mad Hatter when Regina betrayed him like that.

    And awww at Emma saying she wants to believe Mary's her mother (I think she meant that part of it) and then calling them family! So freaking adorable!

    And whoa, I guess Jefferson got back to Fairy Tale Land!

    And yay for Badass!Mary. I'm glad she was back in her cell at the end.

    Amazing episode.

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  3. Jan van Es26 March 2012 at 02:00

    I absolutely LOVED it!!!! 


    I cried when he shared scenes with his daughter! 

    The QoH sounded like Regina as well. I guess they are just going to say every Queen is Regina in FairyTale world. 
    10 out of 10 Soldiers of Heart!

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  4. Orla26 March 2012 at 02:02

    I loved it so so so much! One of my favourites if not favourite episodes so far!
    Emma was awesome!!  I am so happy she is starting to believe :)

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  5. Whitney26 March 2012 at 02:13

    Something tells me the Queen of Hearts is going to turn out to be Regina's mother....although I know she was played by another actress in this episode.

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  6. Taylor Madison Street26 March 2012 at 02:20

    This episode definitely ties with "True North" as my favorite episode of Once Upon a Time now. :)

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  7. Krista Crim26 March 2012 at 02:45

    I'm going to have to watch this again because I missed bits and pieces but am glad that Emma is finally starting to get a clue. 

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  8. C P26 March 2012 at 02:47

    Excellent episode. I felt so bad for Jefferson, being apart from his daughter. No wonder he went Mad in Wonderland.

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  9. Lissie_Bee26 March 2012 at 02:53

    Sebastian Stan is creeeepy.. but it's kinda funny that the Mad Hatter is the only one who managed to retain memories of fairy tale land (except for Regina and Gold, of course).. which actually makes him SEEM crazy... I enjoyed that  :)  I also giggled like a crazy person when Roger Daltrey (as the caterpillar) said "Who are you?" Then I couldn't stop singing "Whoooooo are you? Who who? Who who?" the rest of the episode.  

    Very cool episode!

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  10. Borednow26 March 2012 at 03:05

    AAWESOME EPISODE.
    - I guess Gold is playing Regina and this is exactly what he expected to happen, since emma now starts to believe.
    - EMMA STARTS TO BELIEVE. OH YES. And by my theory her BELIEVING it is exactly what makes magic true in this world. 
    - Multiverse is confirmed for this show,  opening up a lot of possibilities for storylines.

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  11. Nerwen Aldarion26 March 2012 at 03:10

    Loved it!!! Yay Emma is on the path to believing, this is awesome!!!

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  12. Catherinne Duarte26 March 2012 at 03:24

    Fantastica episode! I can't even talk about everything I loved in it. Regina and Gold together is AWESOME! THEY RULE! Poor Mad Hatter, really cute xD Can't wait to know more about Regina's father and the Queen of Hearts. And lets not forget about Mr. Catterpillar !!!!

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  13. taras8226 March 2012 at 03:32

    Loved it! Amazing.

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  14. Mere26 March 2012 at 03:47

    LOVED the Hatter! Hope they bring him back soon from fairy tale land!

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  15. Courtney26 March 2012 at 04:21

    Other people have said that and I can definitely see it now. 

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  16. Courtney26 March 2012 at 04:23

    Definitely an incredibly strong episode, in large part because of Sebastian's great performance. Probably the strongest episode so far from Jennifer Morrison as well.

    Loved all Regina's bits, naturally, but now I want to see more of Jefferson and her doing things before this.

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  17. lsbloom26 March 2012 at 04:24

    Mad Hatter was crazy-rrific! Loved him. He had spunk and power and a wardrobe to die for. Please oh please bring him back.

    Emma's nonbelieving the entire episode was annoying, but I guess it goes along with her being a bad investigator, if she were a good investigator she would pick up on stuff way too fast. But still, why would this random guy who you think is criminally insane know about your son's picture book? Plus, crazy people tend to invent their own delusions not grab onto those of kids they don't know! Regardless, maybe she'll get better now that she's actually reading the book. And then we can fight the queen with magic. Magic and mad hatters!!!!!

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  18. ksyusha26 March 2012 at 04:25

    I was kind of worried that this episode would be a distractor "filler" episode much like Dreamy (no offense to Grumpy and Astrid...) but it was SO GOOD! Moved the main plot along and Sebastian Stan was brilliant as the Mad Hatter and I really liked the CGI Wonderland.

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  19. Jason Breslin26 March 2012 at 04:55

    I was absolutely MAD about this episode. But I wonder how Jefferson was not affected by the curse?

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  20. LittleMissAngel26 March 2012 at 05:35

    I'd say he was affected by the curse. It was his knowing the truth that made him incredibly unhappy and it drove him mad.

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  21. Dan Kempner26 March 2012 at 05:48

    A fantastic episode. I thought it was going to be filler episode (a la "Dreamy"), but it turned out to be a strong character-driven episode that finally game Emma that much needed push.

    My only complaint, and I hate myself for pointing this out, is for the CGI Wonderland. I mean, it looked like a cheap video game.. Usually OUaT has fantastic sceneries, but this one seemed so.. Plastic.

    I did adore the Caterpillar's repetition of "Who are you?" seeing as he was voiced by The Who's Roger Daltrey.

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  22. C P26 March 2012 at 05:54

    Yeah, he said it himself. It wasn't forgetting that was his curse, it was remembering and being able to see his daughter but not being able to be there for her. 

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  23. Casey Young26 March 2012 at 06:20

    Very cool episode! I really hated Regina when she betrayed the Mad Hatter while they were in Wonderland.
    And I'm soooo happy that people are beginning to believe! I think Emma is starting to believe as well! :)

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  24. Nicole26 March 2012 at 07:17

    I was also disappointed with what Wonderland looked like. I figured it might be a little bit better, but it just looked so fake that I couldn't help but be sad.
    Other than that this episode rocked in every way and I hope Sebastian Stan makes another appearance :D

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  25. prpleight26 March 2012 at 07:47

    Awesome!  And, finally, they totally had me for both the Storybrooke and Fairytale stories.  And Jefferson....such a good Dad for not foisting the memories on his daughter because it would cause her suffering.  I didn't expect them to stat chipping away at Emma's inability to believe Henry about the fact that his stories are real.  Gold was behind the escape?  What was the deal Regina made?  I'm really really curious about that one.

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  26. Krista McInturff26 March 2012 at 08:34

    I loved it! how have i never heard of sebastian stan before.  belief gives power that is a good and true statement. my one question, did she make the hat work in the end?

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  27. gb35692126 March 2012 at 08:55

    Terrific episode, really enjoyed it.

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  28. katherine_fan26 March 2012 at 09:06

    Sebastian Stan can kidnap me any time he wants!!!Seriously,he was the best!
    And Emma started to believe!!!!:))))

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  29. Justine Kubica26 March 2012 at 10:28

    Awesome! Brilliant! One of my favorites!
    So sorry for Jefferson, he was aware all along but it made it worse, much more cruel. Would love to see him again! Hopefully getting his happy ending.
    And I'm SO glad that he made Emma actually think about all of this and she's finally starting to believe. Means we're moving forward!
    But seriously, what the hell is the deal between Regina and Gold?! Worried about THAT!
    Anyway, absolutely wonderful episode!

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  30. Simon Aitken26 March 2012 at 10:36

    About to watch the episode now, how was Mr. Rodger Daltery? I imagine this episode will get quite a high rating, at lest, up from last week.

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  31. Borednow26 March 2012 at 13:23

    My guess is that Gold is on side of...Gold. He is playing both parties and this exact outcome is what he wanted - There's not even  one thing in this episode that did NOT turn out in his favor.

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  32. Bros4ever26 March 2012 at 13:35

    I loved this episode, they made me realize just how much I hate The Evil Queen. The Mad Hatter, I love all the stories that have been told with this story but making it a little darker was great cause all the other stories told with this was sweet and fun but this was different and better IMO.
    It's nice that Emma is starting to believe and I hope that leads to her realizing that Mary Margeret is her mother Snow White. I hope Mary gets out of this, I don't know if she will be hopefully she will cause I think Regina was the one who killed Katheryn.

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  33. Seth William26 March 2012 at 13:45

    this was my favorite episode so far...loved everything about the mad hatter and the different worlds...also liked the plot being pushed along 

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  34. laura334126 March 2012 at 14:24

    Thank you Mad Hatter! I was starting to get bored with this show but this episode was absolutely fantastic! Loved,loved,loved this episode!

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  35. Colette Higgins26 March 2012 at 14:45

    I was going to give it an "ok"... but then those last 10 or so minutes... wow!

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  36. SmallvilleSupernaturalCastle26 March 2012 at 16:15

    wow man that was definitly one of the top 5 best of the season sebastian stan made for an awsome Jefferson aka The Mad Hatter, (im a stargate fan so i was also happy to see paul mcgillion), and i just loved the cocept and story on both worlds it worked out well and whoever wrote this and directed (Vladimir Cvetko & David H. Goodman wrote it and Ralph Hemecker directed it) have to stay on next season. Now i remember criticizing the visual effects in the episode with Maleficent (and maleficent was played wrong as well which is dissapointing) and ever since then the effects have gotten a whole lot better the whole Wonderland was created beautifully compared to many shows like terra nova, sanctuary, and this, this was top notch work and i hope they keep it up! This, Desperate souls (rumple origins), Pilot, The Heart of Lonely Hunter and The Heart of Darkness are my only episodes to recieve 5 out of 5 stars.

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  37. SmallvilleSupernaturalCastle26 March 2012 at 16:19

    O BTW GUYS does anyone think they know what happend to jefferson!? i think somehow the hat worked and transported him somewhere but i have no idea where. And i love that ending with him because he's the first character who dissapears but we know he can return anytime.

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  38. Alice Khromenko26 March 2012 at 16:20

    I didn't liked the fairytale part of story, but "a real world" scenes were amazing. Loved the speach about stories, different world. And Emma started believing! Just a start, but still great!

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  39. C P26 March 2012 at 16:22

    No, she decided to try and escape again with Mary. She didn't believe Jefferson (though at the end it seems she is starting to when she takes the book). 

    If the ending scene was confusing, I don't think Jefferson is back in Wonderland. I believe he just ran off.  

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  40. Karla Blowers26 March 2012 at 16:42

    Did anybody else hear Morpheus in their heads saying: "He's beginning to believe."

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  41. DarthLocke426 March 2012 at 17:00

    Gosh, where to start with this one! "Hat Trick" was mythologically a really interesting episode...

    Clearly the Mad Hatter's hat can be used as the nexus-bridge to other parallel universes, including "Wonderland"...but I have to say I am little confused by what's going on with the queens, the heart chests, and "when" this all takes place...

    To me it's unclear if Henry Sr. basically died twice and this is way before the events of the curse, or right before the events of the curse, or during the events of the curse. But it probably way before the curse.

    I am trying to figure out if each Kingdom/Reality has a mausoleum with heart chests containing killed people's hearts, or if Regina comes to "take over" the Queen of Hearts and Wonderland, thus setting up this idea of war between parallel universes...

    Speaking of which, there were nods to FRINGE again as well ,as Jefferson uses the words "over there" and also Jefferson's name is a play on the 1960's psychedelic rock band, Jefferson Airplane, who's song "White Rabbit", was featured on last Friday's Fringe episode, "A Short Story About Love". Obviously FRINGE, LOST, and Super 8 harbor parallels/references to "Alice in Wonderland", so it's not a surprise here...but I liked the idea that in the modern day reality Emma is basically set up as "Alice". 

    Jefferson also purposed this idea of "fixing his hat" so he can "go home", this also parallels issues FRINGE fans have been discussing in regard's to Peter Bishop and the season 4 time line...

    The whole thing makes me ask if this universes isn't just a curse, but really just a parallel universe...if they really can ever go back to fairy tale land....if it still exists "out there"??? Especially considering Jefferson disappears when he falls out the window, which is again reminicent of FRINGE season 2 episode, "Momentum Deferred", as Olivia is pushed out the window in order to get back to her reality...

    I really liked this episode. It might be one of my favorites...It will be interesting to see how season one is going to end!

    And interesting the queen of hearts was left veiled! Who could she be?!

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  42. phnxgrl26 March 2012 at 17:03

    It was a very confusing episode but It was like the Mad Hatter was the only one sane in our world.

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  43. Sandra Held26 March 2012 at 17:26

    Fabulous episode. Finally the action in Storybrooke is starting to catch on!

    Also, I'm kinda confused. Didn't the promo stills of this episode include pictures of August in front of Jefferson's house? I didn't see August anywhere in this episode. Did I miss something?

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  44. Alice Khromenko26 March 2012 at 17:30

     I didn't like it either. I knew it won't be very good, but still.

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  45. Alice Khromenko26 March 2012 at 17:34

    There were lots of doors. One led to Wonderland. Other doors lead to other worlds?

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  46. ScKow26 March 2012 at 17:43

    Loved it! The Mad Hatter was perfect and it was SO nice to finally see Emma acknowledge (even just a little) the existence of magic

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  47. lsbloom26 March 2012 at 17:59

    Seriously they are both sampling from Alice in Wonderland. It is so common that they can both sample from other derivative works at the same time.

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  48. DarthLocke426 March 2012 at 18:12

    Well first off....The show runners ARE former Bad Robot producers and writers for LOST and Felicity (although Felicity is tech pre-Bad Robot) ...thus MANY BR alumni have guest on show, which include two of it's female leads (Emma -Star Trek, Regina -Lost)

    Some others include the two kids who played Olivia and Peter in "Subject 13"-Fringe, David Anders - Alias, Emili de Raven -Lost, Amy Acker -Alias, Alan Dale -Lost, ect

    additionally there have tons and tons of easter eggs referencing these things including 8:15/7:15, Grumpy plays to Sawyer (both use SOB) names Peter and Astrid have been recantly used.

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  49. lsbloom26 March 2012 at 19:46

    Oh my, you've fallen down the Lost rabbit hole where you think everything means something specific--it didn't on Lost and going there now doesn't have any effect on the overall storyline on OUAT. What OUAT is a chance for Lost producers to finally answer all those open-ended red herrings that they left behind? Please tell me they'll explain the polar bear!

    Alternate realities aren't anything new and BR certainly didn't invent the tropes or mythology they actively sample from in a higgly-piggly manner. An allusion is only important if it goes somewhere in characterization or theme. Otherwise it is a nerdy inside joke that isn't funny. Using Alice in Wonderland-themed music isn't sampling from Fringe. It is using Alice in Wonderland-themed music in an Alice in Wonderland-themed episode.

    And note: most people become nicer when they fall in love. If we're going the guest star route, I'd say Amy Acker belongs to Joss Whedon. And August is a character on Covert Affairs, am I supposed to Beautiful Mind that into having something to say about OUAT too? Come on. The producers can't even handle all the metaphors and allusions within this show, they certainly don't have the capacity to start winking at the history of television at the same time. And if they do, I suggest they stop and spend that time better crafting a heroine and making up fairytales that don't look like Disney cartoons (cause those were the "authentic" sources).

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  50. Shaakira Abdul Samad26 March 2012 at 20:17

    Wow, Emma start believing. Touchy! 

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  51. Alex Bazofia26 March 2012 at 20:22

    Best episode of the season for me.

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  52. DonnaSueK26 March 2012 at 20:31

    I was thinking the exact same thing.

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  53. DarthLocke426 March 2012 at 20:39

    Bad Robot and their associates tend to reference themselves for fun...each show has their own spin, but as a production company, they explore the same themes (empiricism, humanism) via comparative identity to tell compelling dramas about love and relationships, and how experiences shape humanity and perception of reality. I think you under-estimate their writers.

    Also Fringe season 2 promo art reflects Alice and Wonderland as Olivia looks down 'the rabbit whole' which hints at season two's reveal of a parallel universe. Also there is a white rabbit to the left under brush with a Bell around it's neck (William Bell is the white rabbit)

    Super 8's main female character played by Elle Fanning is named Alice Dainard....she is kidnapped by the Alien who has dug a HUGE HOLE in the ground with subterranean tunnels (which LOST also had) near the town's cemetery in which Joe lamb and his friend Charlie climb down into to save Alice.In Lost Alice in Wonderland was referenced a great deal too...From episode title "White Rabbit" to the Dharma Station: The Looking Glass which featured a white rabbit wearing a watch around it's neck (Which ironically is WHERE Lana Parilla's character, an Other named Greta appears)...to Jack Sheppherd reading "Alice Adventures in Wonderland" to Aaron and later "Through the Looking Glass" to his future son DAVID (same first name as Charming, who's occupation was once a shepherd) in the Flash Sideways...Lost additionally had the ficticious band Jeronomo Jackson, featuting the song Dharma lady...the album cover also plays to Alice and Wonderland

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  54. Tracy Robinson26 March 2012 at 20:42

    I love Sebastian Stan, he was fantastic in Captain America, a nasty piece of work in Gossip girl but totally heartbreaking last night, bless him. Hope he is safely back in fairytale land? Loved last night episode!!

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  55. lsbloom26 March 2012 at 21:25

    All I'm saying is Alice is done to death (which is why I was super surprised I liked this episode) by lots of people who like the metaphors and the words "white rabbit"--in music, stage, screen, tv, movies, books--for decades. It's the fantasy equivalent of a teenager writing a take on Romeo and Juliet. It still doesn't impact OUAT except to say the producers can't find a new source to sample from. Two characters named David? Are you sure you don't want to pull in a biblical reference in there too? You can't trace it to an isolated show and drop it. Why are they both named David, does it mean anything? Does it tell us something about Charming's character, his role in OUAT, what that means about happy endings, good vs evil, any major themes? If it doesn't tell the audience anything all it is is blind alley.

    And not for nothing, but I doubt anyone is ever going to convince me I should give more credit to the Lost writers. Personally, I would have preferred if they spent more time on the characterization and plot consistency and less time counting balloons. If they'd spent half as much energy coming up with another solution besides "they're dead" as they did making obscure references, I would have been a heck of a lot more impressed. Because most of us pegged that one the minute the plane went down in the promos.

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  56. Folie-lex26 March 2012 at 21:39

    Sebastian Stan was AMAZING!!! He totally needs to come back ASAP!

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  57. Bruce_F26 March 2012 at 22:16

    This was a solid episode that left me with a lot more questions than answers.

     - Admittedly, I was critical of Sebastian Stan's casting but I enjoyed his grounded but menacing take on Mad Hatter.
     - The Neverland visuals alternated between "fair" and "awful."  Once again, OUAT's CGI dept. overreached.
     - If Regina trapped Hatter in Neverland, how did he end up being affected by the curse?
     - So, Did Jefferson fall through the hat into one of the other worlds?
     - Emma took that hat with her.  (she did make it after all)  If it works, does that mean she can use it?  I'd like to see Emma take her Glock and wander around Neverland or the currently empty Fairytale land.
     - I didn't really buy Emma's "Aha!" moment.  I didn't see anything in that book that Emma wasn't already expecting to see.
     - I don't know what Regina and Gold have planned but it's not going to work.  I look forward to the day when Emma starts catching on to these things more quickly, get's pissed and retaliates, knowing full well that there's nothing that either one of them can do about it.  They're all trapped in a town without magic.  Once Emma realizes that, there won't be much that can stop her.

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  58. DarthLocke426 March 2012 at 22:42

    I could do biblical references if you like since Super 8, Lost and Fringe have main characters last names with Shepphard, Lamb, and Bishop...

    But also in a previous episode of Once there is a riff from LOST episode "White Rabbit...John saves Jack from falling over a cliff, just like David" saves Mary Margaret from falling over a cliff. That episode also played a little to "Par Avion"

    In your opinion you think they're dead, but in mine I know that "death" was a transitional plane of exists and not the end of anything, because that is how progress is made. They weren't dead on arrival and they all didn't die in this iteration on the Island, the Island was more than one thing, as the show was about more than one thing, because the idea to be Lost was to explore people who were, and how loss relates to death, and thus the show examined what death and loss really means.

    I never said these references directly mean anything, they're mostly just for fun light references...but if I were to compare Charming to the Sheppards, then yes, I can say that David of Once didn't see eye to eye with Daddy, like Jack, was forced down a path he didn't really want to go down, and along the way met people he ended up caring about. And his twin (which John is a variation of Jack) died and his memory was tarnished/lost by someone else pretending to be him.

    Additionally the whole thing that went on with Rumple killing the knight with the ZoZo sword, is also reflective of MIB/Smoke Monster as there is a debate if the smoke monster became you, or if you became the smoke monster, as it appears Rumple was lost to power or entity that the Knight bestowed.

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  59. lsbloom26 March 2012 at 23:27

    Noticing a coincidence (or lazy writing) is not the same as having something to say. All you're doing is picking two similar things and putting them next to each other. The allusion is a starting point, then you use that to tie together a social commentary. If you, as a writer, don't do that, all you've done is be derivative and repetitive. Lost already existed as show and it is over. As an audience member, I would hope we'd tell a different story now. Or do these highly cerebral producers only have one thing to say?

    The Biblical reference thing was a joke, because tying back to a classic archetype means something, tying to a random character in another show who has the same name doesn't. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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  60. DarthLocke427 March 2012 at 00:49

    Nobody said they're telling the same story. and yes I would agree that using multiple universe/parallel universes is repetitive, including then re referencing work, but also manifestive because no work is exactly the same which is then it's true to evolution, but this is how you focus on individualism verses being locked into a kind of fate. Comparative identity is the BEST way to explore the human condition and ask if we are allowed to be happy, have a right of passage, ect. Each work does that with in themselves let alone if one chooses to compare it to.

    There's nothing exact here, just as none of them are exactly the same, but it doesn't mean there not similar and it doesn't mean they don't share ideas and spin them off in slightly different directions and it doesn't mean there isn't value in that.

    I didn't just compare it to LOST, there are elements/references of FRINGE too. It's not my fault you didn't take much away from either show, nor is it my fault they were writers and friends with the other shows writers and producers. 

    There's nothing in my statement that said this show is going to end like LOST, or how ever FRINGE is going to end, ect

    But all of the shows are about people who felt lost and alone and they found people to share a life with, and knowing those people changed them and helped them find out who they really are...I can't help it that in Once the characters lived on life in one reality (or parallel realities) and a curse was had and the were banished to a land, in which they live in the dark not knowing who they are, and relying on someone who doesn't believe in magic to help save themeselves and discover the truth. I can't help Lost was about the same thing, nor can I help that Fringe also treds along the same lines and all three shows harbor multiple universes and life after death and back again. 

    Please take it up with someone else.

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  61. Mohd Taufik Mohammad27 March 2012 at 02:24

    OK, firstly, I have always loved to hate Regina, but now I think I just hate her... It's heart breaking to see Jefferson's face when she betrayed him like that.

    Secondly, now we see the background story of the mad hatter, who else wants to see the background story of Alice?

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  62. Borednow27 March 2012 at 07:50

    She started to believe even before that, she just did not really "accept" to herself that she did - her comments on wanting to believe MM is her mother felt genuine and then you have the freudian slip of her calling MM a "family".

    however yes, during the book scene its the first time when she actually accepts the idea that she might start believing it.

    AS for jefferson - there was a hat whooosh sound after he jumped. He most likely went into the door room and into some other reality, to latter return.

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  63. Borednow27 March 2012 at 07:56

    For the curse, I guess it takes all fairytale characters no matter in which world they are currently located. So it tore Hatter out of wonderland. 

    WE had the whole whooooosh! sound play when he jumped through the window, so its safe to assume he went into hat.

    I am guessing hat will be used again.

    The AHA! Moment comes from a lot of things - namely the neck scar she saw on Jefferson being in the book. There are hints that she is starting to believe all through thi epiode, but the book moment was the FIRST time she accepted that to herself.

    For one I am thinking that Gold is playing Regina and Emma towards the outcome he wants - in this case his meddling clearly benefited Emma.

    I would not say they have no magic at all - they have at least leftovers of it since Gold still seems to be able to somewhat predict stuff and Regina has heart vault and stuff. I am guessing that once Emma truly believes in magic - the magic will return to all of them gradually - magic it a plotpoint for episodes as a lot of characters "supernatural" sides are quite dangerous(case in point: Ruby)

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  64. Borednow27 March 2012 at 07:57

    Wouldn't it be funny on if Regina WAS "Alice"? :)

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  65. Mohd Taufik Mohammad27 March 2012 at 09:33

    It would be funny, but it would disappointing as well, because I have been imagining this Alice girl being naive, innocent, heroic, and brave - the exact opposite of the mischievous Queen.

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  66. Sandra Held27 March 2012 at 11:40

    It looked like the Evil Queen and Jefferson knew each other quite well (intimately I would almost say). Anybody have any theories on their background together? 

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  67. lsbloom27 March 2012 at 12:12

    I'm not pushing a point, I'd like to be clear. I'm not saying that the
    Fringe or Lost or OUAT using motifs from Alice wasn't effective in their
    own storylines. What I am saying is that OUAT referencing (as you
    allege) or using similar tropes as (what I'd say) Fringe or Lost or
    other BR projects doesn't apply to the OUAT universe. As a viewer saying
    that David has the same name as another character on another show named
    David, doesn't help me understand how OUAT David behaves or what he
    means or what he has to say about fatherhood or identity. I certainly
    can't take facts from other shows and apply them to OUAT. Just because
    there was a Jonah character in Fringe named Ian (made up for this
    hypothesis) doesn't mean that if OUAT introduces a character named Ian
    he is a Jonah figure. And if he is and both shows are done by the same
    people, then that is lazy writing.



    As far as Alice goes: Best case scenario, it's a coincidence based on
    mythology and popular culture. Worst case scenario, the producers aren't
    creative enough to come up with new themes and ways of discussing them.
    I'm willing to say that lots of pop culture references Alice and there
    are hundreds of characters named David and people fall out of windows
    and aren't there when the protagonist goes to look for them all the
    time. You want to push that it means something. All I ask is what is it
    supposed to mean and how does that relate to the OUAT universe and how
    is expecting the OUAT audience to have dissected Lost and/or Fringe
    and/or the writer's entire body of work an effective dramatic
    storytelling technique?

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  68. Courtney27 March 2012 at 16:53

    They definitely still do have some sort of magic. They're in a curse. Emma has had a magical effect on the town, the queen still has her hearts that she can kill people with, Ruby's senses are enhanced, Regina has to do what Gold says if he says please, etc.

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  69. DarthLocke427 March 2012 at 19:48

    It only means something for those that do watch those other shows even 7:15 wouldn't mean much to a viewer who has never seen LOST, but LOST fans recognize it, as it is meant for LOST fans to recognize it. --A name can be used in similar fashion. The writers of this show wrote David as a shephard, before he is forced down a certain path. Jack in lost wasn't a living sheppherd, but his last name alluded to the biblical context of being a good shepphard. David is written in a similar manner, but sort of opposite. David was a good shepperd, but was forced to live another life, twice and is left to try and get back to some sense of happiness...

    There not exact parallels they are similar ideas.

    In the first episode the clock read 8:15, are you going to tell me that LOSt fans didn't notice that either, let alone the episode title for "A heart of darkness" that also relates to LOST?!

    Bad Robot is fun because they reference pop culture, but H and K take it to another level because the whole idea is that the references are "real".....

    A lot of folklore and fairy tales are remade stories from ancient civilizations, including then, The Bible in conjunction to the culture of the time.  The point then of using references is to point out we have been trying to tell our stories over and over again, we keep reinventing ourselves (aka metaphor for rebirth--life extension) through the retelling of our experiences as we are all influenced by each other.

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  70. Jordana3328 March 2012 at 00:42

    Loved this episode. One of my favorites so far. Very heart-wrenching.

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  71. Hera28 March 2012 at 14:41

    I know I'm a little bit late, but I've got to say that Mad Hatter - mad hot. Reminded me of ALP's version from SyFy's Alice.

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  72. Porochaz28 March 2012 at 22:39

    I do get that they reference LOST a lot, however in this instance, referring to your original post, I think its more the common subject matter than them referencing any other show. Most of it was within the initial subject matter and the phrases used by characters aren't particularly unique and/or memorable. And in that regard, maybe you are looking into things that much. 
    Whilst I do like this a large amount of aspects of this show, it isn't nearly as smart as Lost or Fringe (or Desperate Housewives, for that matter) I think the episode where Henry went into the mine proved that one. Looking too deeply into the mythology, I believe, is looking for something which the show isn't.

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