Might have something to do with the cuppa he shared with Emma - since he didn't remember anything after he left the sheriff's station. Since she is the key to breaking the curse, and all.
Loved it. Haven't figured out the heart box yet though...that's left me puzzled. (so, can they GET DNA results in the town no one can leave?) My first thought about the black outs was that David was being Prince Charming but then he looked right through Mary Margaret. I was mostly wrong about the wolf...For some reason my brain was really slow at putting Granny's scratches and the wolf together. But then we discovered that Red had basically chained up her dinner. Poor Peter! Glad Emma didn't let herself get conned into believing the fake phone records.
Okay, gonna scan other comments and see if anyone has any good theories about the heart box.
The dialog was great. By great, I mean awful. When did this show move to Disney Channel? Anyway, surprising twist at the end, it's great big mystery who could be behind it (by mystery I mean that which passes as strange for 10 year old kids watching said Disney Channel). Someone call Mosby Detective agency!
I love the fact that Red is the wolf,wow, i wasn't expecting that little twist.The heart in the box is another little twist i cannot wait to find out who's heart and how did it wound up there. David's prince is finally bleeding through,that is what is causing his blackouts....
Red is the wolf?! I did not see that coming. I'm glad Emma didn't get fooled by Sidney. Emma can hang around with Henry again? I thought "we can't see each other for a while" would last longer... Loved when they locked the book in a box. Puzzled about fingerprints, blackouts, THE BOX with a heart...
Well we were all just wondering "If" there ever could be someone that Emma could work with, or could take her place and it looks like we have a winner! Well, sort of. :P
LOVED Ruby's/Red's episode! It was so neat for them to blend Little Red Ridding Hood, Peter AND the Wolf, with werewolf mythology (very similar to the recant film, [i]Red Ridding Hood[/i]).
It's episodes like this that remind me how complex the mythology and/or the recreation of their reality really is! I loved that David/Charming basically is "zoning out" and being all zombie-esque, reminding us that in the fairy tale reality that he also, like Red, had to transform into someone else. Even though I thought it was great Ruby could help Emma, I was also happy that she could sort things out with Granny...
But it's the not helping Emma and leaving Emma to have to gang up on Mary Margaret (YAY! We know where her new name came from!)--For Emma to be forced alone and for both Emma and Red/Ruby to loose their HUNTSMEN, makes me think that it is not Kathryn's heart in the box, but Graham's...
I am not sure if Regina put it there...it would make more sense for August Booth or Mr. Gold to have placed it there, as I would suspect that either of them might be able to predict the future.
(It's interesting to have SO many Fringe references to Peter, Astrid, August, and the too kids that played Hansel and Gretel played young Olivia and Peter in "Subject 13")
I'm pretty sure the David's fairy tale counterpart is not Prince Charming. It's the original prince. We still haven't met Prince Charming's real life counterpart yet.
My thought on the heart in the box, is that it's the heart that the huntsmen gave the Queen, to trick into thinking it was Snow's heart. Regina put it there to frame Mary Margaret for murdering Kathryn. I guess we'll see.
I slightly disagree because he is SO torn about it himself. It's not like she is alone in the pursuit of each other, but I do think that because Charming took the place of another that died, and that this reality is a reflection of yet another kind of "rebirth", that the manifestation of "them" resides in just the one's conflicts...
Even Mr. Golds situation is equally complex because he was a normal poor man who merges with the Black Knight and/or is taken over by him, another type of transformation/rebirth, and yet in StoryBrook he looks prestigious and "top notch", unlike any way we have yet to see him in Fairy Tale reality,,,
I was mentioning there are a lot of FRINGE references too...I theorize that in FRINGE the timelines have been recreated so many times with so many different methods that i think their souls have been split over and over and that some of the characters co-exist and come into contact with various aged incarnates, despite not being "blood" related, as a reflection of whom any of them have ever "once" been.
I didn't notice difference in dialogue. Thought it was the same as usual. And this has got to be the darkest episode yet. I don't think it's Disney Channel material.
But dead isn't dead with magic is it? --Remember the real world is still a magical curse that happens to also reflect and twist around everything that has ever happened to them.
So Storybrooke is like putting limitations on that world whose physical laws clearly go beyond what Storybrooke perceives as "physical law"...
David is dealing with, a reflection of the idea he once had a twin brother who we/he(?) almost know nothing about, he was once a simple man, ripped from his life to taken the place of this unknown person and forced to attempt to become him, and simultaneously his knowing of Snow has almost made him rise to the occasion of putting those 3 men together. Everything about David/Charming is directly about having an identity crisis
The death of his brother and the idea of having to become him, places him in role of both of them, but then also reflects what BOTH lost--the death of themselves.
It doesn't mean that he couldn't have a twin that shows up, but I think because his brother was killed and did not return as himself (so far) in the Fairy Tale reality BEFORE the curse, that having him be all loopy is the only way for him to still reflect all of those roles the specifically relate to him.
Well how do we know that. I mean just because Emma thinks it is, doesn't mean that it is actually a human heart...Is Emma a doctor or vet of any sort?! It probably seems like it to her because it's the easiest conclusion to come to...The Queen was fooled at first herself.
I love how different Red was from Ruby in some respects, but so similar in others. And I was SUPER excited to see David Anders back!! Hopefully we'll get more of him soon. My jaw dropped when we found out that Red was actually the wolf.. I really did NOT see that coming! But then I giggled a little bit when I put together "Peter and the Wolf" haha
If Rumplestiltskin or Regina had the power to bring people who had been dead for years alive again, they probably would have done it instead of making curses to punish people.
We saw The heart of Graham be desintegrated. ITS NOT HIS! I thought that the idea of the heart that saved Snow White of death be the one who puts her in jeopardy would be AWESOME!!! But I'm not sure... And it has to be the Queen who put the box there, she was the only one who knew that Kathryn was gonna leave town, the box was put there recently (remember how Emma asked Red to look for something that didn't belong there?) and she has A WALL FULL OF HEARTS, remember? She could easily pick anyone. Besides... I'm sure thar Katryn is alive. No one can leave Storybrooke, but no one that tried, really died. The scene is the same with Cinderella, the car don't cross the line, it crashes, or it dies (like Hansel and gretel). I think Katryn was near to find out the Truth, so, the queen imprisionate her with Belle.
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Loved the episode.
ReplyDeleteI loved it! Wasn't expecting that twist with Red! I love that she's the Wolf.
ReplyDeleteAnd theory about David: His "blackouts" are actually Charming making an appearance. Can't wait to see if I'm proven right!
Amazing episode. I fucking love this show so much.
another great ep!!
ReplyDeleteWow !!! Red being the wolf, I did not see that coming at all ! Really great twist !
ReplyDeleteI think you're right.
ReplyDeleteMight have something to do with the cuppa he shared with Emma - since he didn't remember anything after he left the sheriff's station. Since she is the key to breaking the curse, and all.
That's an interesting theory about his blackouts and would love for that to be the case.
ReplyDeleteYeah I was totally shocked.
ReplyDeleteLoved it! It was one of my favorite episodes yet, and I love each and every one of them. Big fan!
ReplyDeleteOMG! This episode was amazing! I loved the many twists it had! Bravo! :D
ReplyDeleteBEST. EPISODE. OF. THE. SEASON.
ReplyDeletePeter and the Wolf.
ReplyDeleteNever saw the twists in the ep, kudos to the writers
ReplyDeleteLoved it. Haven't figured out the heart box yet though...that's left me puzzled. (so, can they GET DNA results in the town no one can leave?) My first thought about the black outs was that David was being Prince Charming but then he looked right through Mary Margaret. I was mostly wrong about the wolf...For some reason my brain was really slow at putting Granny's scratches and the wolf together. But then we discovered that Red had basically chained up her dinner. Poor Peter! Glad Emma didn't let herself get conned into believing the fake phone records.
ReplyDeleteOkay, gonna scan other comments and see if anyone has any good theories about the heart box.
I spent the entire ep trying to remember the full Peter-Wolf title. I knew there was something about Peter.
ReplyDeleteNot once did "Peter and the Wolf" return to my memory. Thanks!
The dialog was great. By great, I mean awful. When did this show move to Disney Channel? Anyway, surprising twist at the end, it's great big mystery who could be behind it (by mystery I mean that which passes as strange for 10 year old kids watching said Disney Channel). Someone call Mosby Detective agency!
ReplyDeleteHumm... starting to think this show is going to be lame.
ReplyDeleteI love the fact that Red is the wolf,wow, i wasn't expecting that little twist.The heart in the box is another little twist i cannot wait to find out who's heart and how did it wound up there.
ReplyDeleteDavid's prince is finally bleeding through,that is what is causing his blackouts....
Red is the wolf?! I did not see that coming. I'm glad Emma didn't get fooled by Sidney. Emma can hang around with Henry again? I thought "we can't see each other for a while" would last longer... Loved when they locked the book in a box. Puzzled about fingerprints, blackouts, THE BOX with a heart...
ReplyDeleteAmazing! Can't believe they killed Peter. I too have thought about Davids blackouts as a Charming "glitch".
ReplyDeleteWell we were all just wondering "If" there ever could be someone that Emma could work with, or could take her place and it looks like we have a winner! Well, sort of. :P
ReplyDeleteLOVED Ruby's/Red's episode! It was so neat for them to blend Little Red Ridding Hood, Peter AND the Wolf, with werewolf mythology (very similar to the recant film, [i]Red Ridding Hood[/i]).
It's episodes like this that remind me how complex the mythology and/or the recreation of their reality really is! I loved that David/Charming basically is "zoning out" and being all zombie-esque, reminding us that in the fairy tale reality that he also, like Red, had to transform into someone else. Even though I thought it was great Ruby could help Emma, I was also happy that she could sort things out with Granny...
But it's the not helping Emma and leaving Emma to have to gang up on Mary Margaret (YAY! We know where her new name came from!)--For Emma to be forced alone and for both Emma and Red/Ruby to loose their HUNTSMEN, makes me think that it is not Kathryn's heart in the box, but Graham's...
I am not sure if Regina put it there...it would make more sense for August Booth or Mr. Gold to have placed it there, as I would suspect that either of them might be able to predict the future.
(It's interesting to have SO many Fringe references to Peter, Astrid, August, and the too kids that played Hansel and Gretel played young Olivia and Peter in "Subject 13")
I'm pretty sure the David's fairy tale counterpart is not Prince Charming. It's the original prince. We still haven't met Prince Charming's real life counterpart yet.
ReplyDeleteMy thought on the heart in the box, is that it's the heart that the huntsmen gave the Queen, to trick into thinking it was Snow's heart. Regina put it there to frame Mary Margaret for murdering Kathryn. I guess we'll see.
ReplyDeleteI slightly disagree because he is SO torn about it himself. It's not like she is alone in the pursuit of each other, but I do think that because Charming took the place of another that died, and that this reality is a reflection of yet another kind of "rebirth", that the manifestation of "them" resides in just the one's conflicts...
ReplyDeleteEven Mr. Golds situation is equally complex because he was a normal poor man who merges with the Black Knight and/or is taken over by him, another type of transformation/rebirth, and yet in StoryBrook he looks prestigious and "top notch", unlike any way we have yet to see him in Fairy Tale reality,,,
I was mentioning there are a lot of FRINGE references too...I theorize that in FRINGE the timelines have been recreated so many times with so many different methods that i think their souls have been split over and over and that some of the characters co-exist and come into contact with various aged incarnates, despite not being "blood" related, as a reflection of whom any of them have ever "once" been.
I thought about it being Graham's! -But forgot about the not human heart, a wolf heart, that Graham had brought her! Also a really great idea!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThe original prince, James' twin is dead. He couldn't have traveled to 'real world'.
ReplyDeleteThat was an animal heart that Graham gave the Queen, a Stag's heart. Emma said the heart was human.
ReplyDeleteI didn't notice difference in dialogue. Thought it was the same as usual. And this has got to be the darkest episode yet. I don't think it's Disney Channel material.
ReplyDeleteSuch an amazing episode!
ReplyDeleteBut dead isn't dead with magic is it? --Remember the real world is still a magical curse that happens to also reflect and twist around everything that has ever happened to them.
ReplyDeleteSo Storybrooke is like putting limitations on that world whose physical laws clearly go beyond what Storybrooke perceives as "physical law"...
David is dealing with, a reflection of the idea he once had a twin brother who we/he(?) almost know nothing about, he was once a simple man, ripped from his life to taken the place of this unknown person and forced to attempt to become him, and simultaneously his knowing of Snow has almost made him rise to the occasion of putting those 3 men together. Everything about David/Charming is directly about having an identity crisis
The death of his brother and the idea of having to become him, places him in role of both of them, but then also reflects what BOTH lost--the death of themselves.
It doesn't mean that he couldn't have a twin that shows up, but I think because his brother was killed and did not return as himself (so far) in the Fairy Tale reality BEFORE the curse, that having him be all loopy is the only way for him to still reflect all of those roles the specifically relate to him.
Well how do we know that. I mean just because Emma thinks it is, doesn't mean that it is actually a human heart...Is Emma a doctor or vet of any sort?! It probably seems like it to her because it's the easiest conclusion to come to...The Queen was fooled at first herself.
ReplyDeletewow. i'm still in shock.
ReplyDeleteI think the heart belongs to the EQ's love interest ... may be the EQ took his heart to keep him with her then Snow White stole it
ReplyDeletethat was shocking story!
ReplyDeleteI love how different Red was from Ruby in some respects, but so similar in others. And I was SUPER excited to see David Anders back!! Hopefully we'll get more of him soon. My jaw dropped when we found out that Red was actually the wolf.. I really did NOT see that coming! But then I giggled a little bit when I put together "Peter and the Wolf" haha
ReplyDeleteHahaha maybe Emma has magic spit after all ;)
ReplyDeleteIf Rumplestiltskin or Regina had the power to bring people who had been dead for years alive again, they probably would have done it instead of making curses to punish people.
ReplyDeleteSo is she dead (or is it Graham's heart and she's just locked away with Belle?)?
ReplyDeleteWell, the wolf necklace suddenly makes more sense.
ReplyDeleteIt just dawned on me.... you guys don't think the heart boxes is what old Rumpy has been out in the woods digging up do you?
ReplyDeleteGreat episode! I love Ruby's character!
ReplyDeleteWe saw The heart of Graham be desintegrated. ITS NOT HIS! I thought that the idea of the heart that saved Snow White of death be the one who puts her in jeopardy would be AWESOME!!! But I'm not sure... And it has to be the Queen who put the box there, she was the only one who knew that Kathryn was gonna leave town, the box was put there recently (remember how Emma asked Red to look for something that didn't belong there?) and she has A WALL FULL OF HEARTS, remember? She could easily pick anyone. Besides... I'm sure thar Katryn is alive. No one can leave Storybrooke, but no one that tried, really died. The scene is the same with Cinderella, the car don't cross the line, it crashes, or it dies (like Hansel and gretel). I think Katryn was near to find out the Truth, so, the queen imprisionate her with Belle.
ReplyDeleteGood epi. Think the actress playing red is probably the equal best with Lana Parilla.
ReplyDeleteI know this is immature but I cant take the show seriously if after cliffhangers they show that co-producers name...
It just dawned on me.... you guys don't think the heart boxes is what old Rumpy has been out in the woods digging up do you?
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