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POLL : What did you think of Alcatraz - Guy Hastings?

7 Feb 2012

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60 comments:

  1. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 02:57

    I loved it! The guy who played Guy looks really familiar.

    And I was surprised by the revelation that Ray was really her uncle! I don't know why.

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  2. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 03:01

    This show is doing a good job of having random cases that at the same time are adding a nice amount of background mythology to the major characters in the show

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  3. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 03:02

     He's from True Blood too!

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  4. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 03:17

    Haven't watched the episode yet but, If I remember correctly from the preview for this week's episode 'Guy Hastings' is Hoyt from True Blood. Not sure if that's where you were going, but that's where I knew him from!

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  5. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 05:49

    Awesome ep! Love that the show continues to blend the mytharc and the "63 of the week" very well. Got some goodies tonight with the reveal that Ray is Rebecca's real uncle and is totally in the know about the 63's but has been keeping quiet to keep Rebecca safe. Really good work by "Hoyt from True Blood" (can't remember his name) and truly sad that he and the other guards were probably collateral from whatever/whoever took the 63's....Obviously the clinic taking all the blood seems to be a big clue... clones maybe? Nice closing piece with Ray facing off with his "big brother" to stay away to keep Rebecca safe. I wonder if Ray will be included more in the future cases.

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  6. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 11:08

    That's what I'm talking about.  A mighty interesting episode.  I think we would have done fabulously with this as ep two or the pilot ep.  Hopefully, we've hit that point where things just keep getting better and better.

    I really hope my biggest question is answered with a 'yes' and that is "Do all of the returnees have a mission but we don't always know what it is?"

    What was Tommy's mission?  And how bright are our mysterious bad guys if they didn't expect more of their returnees to go rogue.  They're criminals.  :-)

    This is actually the first ep that has me pondering bigger story questions rather than just trying to figure out if I know what the show is yet.

    Yay!

    Love Rebeca's realization that boss guy (Sam Neil...geez I still can't remember his name) needs her more than she needs him.  :-)  

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  7. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 14:20

    love this show. They revealing secrets and that is good for me.

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  8. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 14:21

    Awesome episode!

    I guess  I can stop using the quotes around "Uncle" when referring to uncle Ray now eh? XD

    Interesting notes from this episode:
    - Tommy Madsen is "lost".
    - Hauser asked about "seismic activity".... Does it play into the disappearances?
    - all the Alcatraz staff 63s told they lost their families after the "fog"
    - It was 1963 and "then it wasn't 1963".
    - Ray asked to join Team Alcatraz 16 years ago. Refused.
    - Hauser holding Buddhist rosaries while staring at Madden's mugshots.
    - Hastings was the third (possibly fourth if Cobb's was to kill Lucy) 63 to be on a mission.


    Interesting that Hauser is holding a "Japa Mala" (Buddhist rosary beads) to me. Is it part of the character, personal believes or related to the greater mystery? Usually they have 108 beads, one for each of the earthly passions. I wonder if his has 302 beads? XD
    http://www.buddhachannel.tv/portail/spip.php?article5391
    http://www.buddhagroove.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/u/sunstone_rosary.jpg


    Well IT always felt like Madsen was the most important 63 and now the show confirms it. Hasuer's APE#1 (Alcatraz Public Enemy) is Tommy Madsen..... 

    Did he somehow manage to escape the "holding pattern" and jump forward on his own? Did he leave Alcatraz before the 302 disappeared? Was his leaving the reason for the the 302 disappearing? 

    IT was nice to have some back story into Ray Archer and Tommy Madsen! I always wondered why a prison guard would raise a cellmate's kid... Now we know! Blood! Once again blood or family comes into play.

    I love that Hauser just calls on the "Bat-phone" and his science minions hop to and meet up in the room. Do they live under Alcatraz like the guards used to live on Alcatraz? Is it just a time cut because of limited time in a 42-minute episode? Does the door without a handle that just opens for Hauser lead to "The Room" or does it lead to a longer tunnel to Alcatraz 2.0?

    I like the repeating patterns in the show. Tommy Madsen smart enough to figure out what's going on at Alcatraz in the past, and now we have Rebecca Madsen starting to piece together what's going on in the present. 

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  9. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 14:25

    I think it's entirely possible that Tommy Madsen escaped from either Alcatraz before the big disappearance or from wherever they were for the last 50 years. So I think he may not have a mission from whoever is behind it all

    In fact, Madsen's escape from the "holding pattern" or wherever they were for 50 years may be the reason the other 63s are coming back. .I do wonder what Kit Nelson's mission was. OR did he just ignore it and go rogue as you put it?

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  10. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 14:28

    I wonder about Ray's greater involvement in the show too! He and Rebecca's fiance Jimmy Dickens (Santiago Cabrera) have been conspicuous in their absence from the series considering they have their own promo pictures!

    If not for the earlier press releases we would have no idea that Jimmy Dickens IS Rebecca's fiance even!

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  11. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 14:34

    i'm sure we are going to find out that the Madsen blood is special in some way..
    Rebecca is young but driven and good at what she does.  Tommy was probably the same. Maybe Ray is a half brother to Tommy.   Tommy seemed thoroughly freaked out to see his brother in Alcatraz.. scared for him. 

    I've been wondering if Tommy.. or someone/thing Tommy-like (perhaps fed his blood) was the subterranean dweller of Alcatraz.. 

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  12. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 14:41

    That would be interesting.. it also migh tlose a lot of viers though...

    The Warden James did use the word "visitant" before he opened the door to let Cal's protege Harlan into the room behind the Big Heavy Door (BHS)...

    I had to look visitant up honestly, but the first definition is...
    1) One thought to come from the spirit world

    Though of Course difinition 2 is mundane... "A visitor".

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  13. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 15:46

    Screencap of Hauser with his japa mala.

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  14. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 15:48

    Recap is in progress...IMO the episode was more of a testing of viewers beliefs...a think piece. But I def think we have "two players, two sides" now...

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  15. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 15:55

    there definitely seems to be many layers to the experiments they were conducting on the inmates..
    level one: drawing massive amounts of blood for... ?
    level two: Dr. Gumpta (sp?) experiments in memory erasing
    level OMG: subterranean visitant who takes interest in clever inmates

    and i think this visitant is still down there... whoever is collecting keys is doing so to open that BHD... could this thing relate to the seismic activity Hauser has the nerds tracking?

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  16. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 17:44

    i actually really liked this episode. it wasnt really action packed but the information gained from it completely made up for it. It was had a brilliant backing story

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  17. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 19:01

    I like those layers, both physical and figurative!
    Does the blood taking relate to reanimation or reincarnation? Does the blood relate to the Visitant behind the BHD?  Does Dr. SenGupta somehow use it in her memory experiments?I can't fit it all together yet. Maybe there is  missing piece that will pull everything together, or maybe they simply are not related ....I'm also trying to figure out where Hauser's religion fits into all this. First they show us that ring so in focus and close up. Is it a secret society ring or a religious ring? Then he is shown holding Buddhist prayer beads. It seems like something that may eventually get pulled into the over arch, but then again maybe it is less meaningful character back story....

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  18. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 19:04

    I still am not quite sure which side Hauser belongs on! XD

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  19. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 19:38

    you are correct in they very blatantly said 'look at Hauser's religious symbols!'  when i first saw it, as he stared at Guy's photo, i thought he was saying a prayer for the guard.  I missed the ring, i'll have to find a screen grab.

    If the blood is for the visitant, can 'he' draw power from it? or see something about the person or their potential future use from their blood? does the visitant create the clone? or become the clone? AAHH one door, so many questions!

    Sengupta! Thank you !  I could only remember the 'guppy' part ;)

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  20. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 19:49

    Here are a couple grabs I made when the episode aired.

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  21. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 20:22

    Finally some storyline to chew on.
    I wasn't so surprised or fussed that Ray turned out to be Rebecca's real uncle.  It doesn't really make much implication other than the fact that Ray and Tommy are brothers.

    Some people here have talked about a "holding pattern".  Was this actually mentioned in the show and I just missed it?  Is the idea of this that the 63s have been 'held' in a weird time warp and breifed about their various missions before being sent to 2012, as opposed to just suddenly waking up and finding themselves in 2012?

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  22. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 20:59

    I just used that term for the missing 50 years since we don't know exactly where they where or what they were doing...  They never mentioned it on the show and you missed nothing! XD

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  23. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 21:20

    I am sure we have third party-ers too! --But it seems like Guy (and his description on the night it all happens) point to a specific agenda to find Tommy Madsen...then Tommy might be operating on behalf of someone else. (or even just himself)...

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  24. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 22:13

    I liked the Tommy/Ray/Guy storyline

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  25. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 22:45

     HAHAHAH just glancing at this post i thought you said you liked the TommyRayGun .. i had sort of a 'end of Rocky Horror Pic. Show's ray gun mixed with 'Say hello to my lil friend' tommy gun image.. 

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  26. DarkUFO7 February 2012 at 23:03

    - Ray was asked to join Team Alcatraz 16 years ago. Refused.

    Shall we assume that at the least, 16 years ago, Tommy was back & that was why Hauser was searching for a Madsen on his team?  or do you think Hauser asked many former guards?

     I think Tommy's been back for a while.. maybe he returned in 1996, maybe he escaped in 1963 (from alcatraz &/or 'them') ....

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  27. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 00:44

    I noticed the 'rosary' too (immediately) and was very curious - what the hell is that? Thanks for the info :)

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  28. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 01:04

    I still don't know what to think about when each individual 63 came back. Didn't Lucy  say that Jack Sylvane was the beginning?

    I suppose it's possible she was being misleading and while Sylvane was the first captured, other 63's (namely Tommy Madsen) have jumped before. She could have also meant that Sylvane was just the beginning for the new members of Team Alcatraz
    too  .

    It makes sense that if Hauser wanted Archer's help 16 years ago that at least one other 63 had already jumped. It could be that Madsen was the first back, and that he is special to Hauser because he has been chasing him for 16 years.

    Honestly though, for me it feels like Tommy Madsen just jumped recently before the series began. I wouldn't think he would be living in a rundown house for 16 years... Plus, if I were him I would try to get out of the one city in the world where people are looking for me! XD

     Maybe Hauser has been working with the Alcatraz staff before (or guards like you wrote). Like the Warden until he died, then Tiller who retired due to old age...

    I also wonder if Tiller won the Medal of Valor they showed us in the pilot for doing the job Hauser is doing now. Maybe even working with Hauser on Team Alcatraz. That could be where they became friends... in the FBI. All we see under the photo is:

     "Tiller worked in law enforcement his entire career. He spent 10 years as Associate Warden at Alcatraz under Warden Edwin James. Tiller ruled with an iron fist, engendering no end of animosity from the inmates. Two attempts were made on his life during his tenure on the Rock. Tiller left his post in '62 and went on to have a prestigious career with the FBI."

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  29. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 01:08

    I thought it was a pink rose symbol at first since I thought his ring was a Rosicrucian rose possibly.Then when I paused it and caught a good screen cap I noticed it was a tassle. I'm not very religious so I looked it up various rosaries and found it.

    Now I'm wondering if Hauser's ring has some form of stylized Dharma wheel on it and not a rose.... 

    Bad Robot and Abrams strike again! XD

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  30. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 10:09

    He couldn't have run before the disappearance because he still looks the same.  But, we have been given the impression that they were taking more blood from him than anyone else.

    Maybe that's why they're looking for him?

    Hm, I think Ernest Cobb's mission was to kill Lucy.  But Kit Nelson, I think is one of the examples why this group of men weren't the best group to take if you were planning to use them to do your dirty work. :-)

    But given that he ep was third in...I couldn't get my footing with the mythology.  But now we're certain that Jack Sylvane, Cal Sweeny, and Guy Hastings all had missions.  Is it now safe to assume that Ernest Cobb and Kitt Nelson did too?

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  31. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 11:10

    I guess there is no way he got out of Alcatraz BEFORE "now you see them, now you don't" night.  Although, halting the aging process or him going forth and back from future to the past if there is a "doorway" of sorts is possible too I guess.

    I would think SOMEONE had to be back 16 years ago if Hauser was already on this mission and asked Ray Archer to help. Why ask Archer if you're not after Madsen?  I just have no real grip on the mode of time jumping or the dates of arrival yet I guess.

    I wonder if some of the 63s are sent back on purpose with a mission, and others somehow manage to break free or break out of wherever/whenever they are for the past 50 years..... The ones we know had a mission were all in jail for crimes related to their mission. Sweeney for safety deposit robbery, Cobb for sniping,  Sylvane for robbery, and murder and then Hastings for knowing Ray Archer and Tommy Madsen (not a crime though).

    I wonder if Kit Nelson was sent back to get Doc Soto's attention and really solidify his spot on the team since Soto was kidnapped at the age of Nelson's victims?

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  32. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 11:26

    Here's another Alcatraz mystery I'm having....

    According to this post ( http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/01/alcatraz-casting-news-ian-tracey-joins.html ) and many other sites online reported it as well, Ian Tracey ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0870439/ ) was cast in the pilot as "Frank", now on Alcatraz Wiki I found a mugshot from Doc Soto's book of Frank Helbig # 2462. http://images.wikia.com/alcatraztv/images/a/aa/462.jpg That certainly looks like Ian Tracey to me!

    I don't recall him from the pilot though.... did he disappear before the pilot? XD

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  33. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 11:27

    Hmm, very odd. Don't recall him either. I know a couple of episodes have aired out of order

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  34. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 11:29

    It's not just me though right? That does look like him too doesn't it?

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  35. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 11:34

    Comparison photos...
    http://webspace.webring.com/people/xl/l_bouwmans/Ian_dvi.jpg
    http://webspace.webring.com/people/xl/l_bouwmans/inquestian1.jpg
    http://theuglybugball.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/mick-leary-collage-sm.jpg

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  36. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 11:37

    Ah, actually it does.

    Look at this Image Search and it does appear that it's him

    http://bit.ly/yyd3M5

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  37. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 11:42

    When I went on that wiki and saw that photo I immediately thought of him, but I could not recall his name. He has that very distinctive crease by his mouth... Then it dawned on me where I could find him and his name... Hell on Wheels. 

    Oh well, probably just one of those editing causalities that happens....

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  38. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 13:18

    Thanks for that. I thought that's what the book said, but I wasn't sure so didn't want to take the chance that I heard/read wrong...It makes more sense then that Hauser would have been Tiller's friend, but still it surprised me how unprepared he was against Jack Sylvane....

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  39. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 13:20

    Eastern Philosophy is also hinted at in FRINGE...IMO Bad Robot likes to be open to philosophy/religion, because IMO they are subjected to one's interpretation to the world around them and that in itself is what these shows are about. --People coming to terms with the world(s) around them...

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  40. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 13:23

    That's right! I do remember when I found stuff on Tracey listed on IMDb...they must have really rearranged a lot of things...Like I really want to know if Cabrera is going to still have some kind of role...

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  41. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 14:08

    Exactly. Cabrera's character has been written out of the show. 
    I even have the exact quote from J.J. Abrams from one of the recent interviews. I can find it if you're curious...

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  42. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 14:22

    Sure! I would like to read that.  Thanks!

    I kind of assumed he was written out since he is (or was) her fiance aqnd she treated him like just another cop on the scene  in his only scene in the pilot! XD

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  43. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 14:39

    [about Sarah Jones' character, Rebecca Madsen]...
    And there are a bunch of little things, too, that we realized. With the romantic interest that she had, we felt like it wasn’t really quite going with the rest of the show, and rather than say, “Well, let’s suck it up and move on,” we actually had a chance to make some changes and improve upon it.

    http://collider.com/j-j-abrams-alcatraz-fringe-season-five-interview/139800/ 

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  44. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 14:45

    Thanks. I think  I saw this article either here or on Seriable, but did not read it since I did not want to be spoiled before the pilot....

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  45. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 15:39

    Alcatraz mystery of the day part 2:
    If Tommy Madsen arrived at Alcatraz on 12 May 1957 for Murdering his wife, how was his son Van born in 15 May 1960?

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  46. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 15:41

    Outside of conjugal visits sponsored by the local Mortuary.... or time travel... I don't get how this happened! XD

    Maybe they just used a local cemetery and Madsen tombstone and hoped no one would notice?

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  47. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 16:01

     Yep,that's him!  I've read alll the other post that were written here,i cannot believe i missed most of these,but how do they miss such obvious ones? Could it be laziness or just an oops! 

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  48. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 16:24

    He appeared a few times on the bad guys wall now; probably was cast to appear later in the storyline or just because he's so cool =)

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  49. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 16:25

    They changed quite a few things after Liz Sarnoff left the show as showrunner. Best example: Santiago Cabrera, billed as cast regular, but his role as Madsen's boyfriend has been cut almost entirely from the storyline.

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  50. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 16:46

    He is cool! XD

    When I saw the mugshots of him (or I thought were him at the time) I tried to find out what 63 he would be playing, but  Frank in the pilot was not what I wanted!

    I mean there was like 3 or 4 versions of the pilot. He was probably in one of the early ones and did not make the cut.... sadly!

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  51. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 16:48

    He is cool! XD

    When I saw the mugshots of him (or I thought were him at the time) I tried to find out what 63 he would be playing, but  Frank in the pilot was not what I wanted!

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  52. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 17:20

    Yeah, he should get a more deserving role. Maybe he's also a friend of the showrunners and appeared to make fans like us guess what's up with him =)

    I already liked him back in The X Files where he played that crippled astral projecting veteran and now with his appearance here and his recent short role in Supernatural, I really hope he'll appear on our screens more often =)

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  53. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 17:21

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_jAlFqvASU sorry if it was linked already, but look, here he is, at around 25 seconds.

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  54. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 17:49

    This is something I am going to be addressing too, because it doesn't add up...either he escapes Alcatraz and he kills her later (and so he originally goes to Alcatraz for a different reason), or something is a miss in the story all together...

    In Fringe there is a similar dilemma...Robert Bishop died over a year before Walter was born...

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  55. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 18:15

    I e-mailed Jorge to see what he had to say about it... Maybe it will come up in this week's Diego's Soul Patch podcast?

    Probably be in the "No Comment" Section and it won;t get answered if so! XD

    It seems like once could be excused as a continuity error. They found a Madsen couple's headstones and used them, but  on two of his series?  yeah.. no! XD

    I'm waiting for your recap .... intrigued even XD

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  56. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 18:24

    No harm in re-linking to make a point. Plus I avoided all the pre-air video promos since I wanted to go in with a completely unspoiled open mind.

    I wonder if they added Tommy Madsen in one of the later Pilots? IT seems like Jack Sylvane was the inmate "in-the-know" in that first look clip!

    Maybe they took out Jimmy Dickens Rebecca's love interest and added Tommy her Grandfather? Hmmm 

    We won't hear from jorge on that topic either. He said he does not want to comment on the scenes or plots left out of the pilot that htey filmed for the earlier piltos just in case the scenes or the information makes its way into future episodes. BUMMER! XD

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  57. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 18:30

    Why, this could be! But I guess, since David Hoflin is a regular (and appearing) dude in all the episodes, they planned with him earlier. And I don't remember if Tommy was as afraid of the "thing happening" as Jack in that trailer was, but your reasoning sounds..well, sound.

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  58. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 19:21

    I found a review of the pilot aired at Comic-Con and they mentioned some changes from what they saw then compared to the pilot that aired.

    "So keep in mind that what you see from Alcatraz’s series premiere tonight wasn’t always present, and serves to highlight a few points FOX obviously found problematic, notably a lack of character for lead Rebecca Madsen (Sarah Jones). Near as I can tell, none of the original pilot dealt with the death of her partner, her difficulting in working with others, or her grandfather already resurfacing in present day."
    Source: http://www.tvovermind.com/alcatraz-fox/alcatraz-season-1-episode-1-review/117931

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  59. DarkUFO8 February 2012 at 19:48

    Interesting! =) so ... do they make it all up as they go along?? ;)

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  60. DarkUFO12 February 2012 at 21:52

    Interesting episode.
     - Tommy Madsen definitely seems shady.
     - The reveal that Ray is Rebecca's real uncle was strange but intriguing.
     - I liked that Rebecca called Hauser out on the nature of her presence on the team.
     - Soto finally gave Hauser a little attitude this week instead of being so sheepish.
     - I don't know why Hastings was after Madsen but I'm not sure it was a "mission."  He may be looking for answers too.

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