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Supernatural - Episode 7.16 - Title Change

Jan 7, 2012

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It seems that Episode 7.16 of Supernatural is now called "Out With The Old". It was previously known as "Another Man's Treasure"
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78 comments:

  1. klutzy_girlJanuary 7, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    Sounds interesting!

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  2. Lilith HellfireJanuary 7, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Are they getting rid of Sammy and replacing him with Frank?

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  3. Justine KubicaJanuary 7, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Thanks;)

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  4. chris684January 7, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    You're joking, right?

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  5. reedmacJanuary 7, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    Out with Sam and in with ? Well Misha is back in episode 17 and 12, 13 and 15 are said to be Dean centric. 17 could be Sam's final Swan Song?

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  6. JuliaJanuary 7, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    Why is everyone convinced Sam is leaving the show? Did I miss something?

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  7. percysownerJanuary 7, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    All you are missing is a lot of fans who don't like Sam and who think that Castiel is the greatest thing since sliced bread.  They desperately want Castiel to replace Sam as Dean's brother and to be forgiven by just saying "sorry about that".  I have seen nothing to indicate Sam is leaving.  Guy Bee was asked about the possibility and he tweeted that he hadn't heard anything.  Chalk it up to people who want a change in the show that there has been no hint will actually happen. 

    If by some chance I am wrong, then I will have to decide if the fact that I fell in love with a show about two brothers has ditched the concept and react accordingly.

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  8. Lissie_BeeJanuary 7, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    I refuse to read anything into this - I'm going to say "cool, thanks" and move on

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  9. Laurie EdwardsJanuary 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Is there anything official about this supposed change, or is it just bitter fangirls whining about Sam/Dean screen time?
    Anyway, thanks for the heads-up on the episode title change.

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  10. Lissie_BeeJanuary 7, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    Yeah, I just think someone dropped an opinion, which turned into a rumor, and apparently now is a solid, absolute truth.  I think it just got blown wayyyy out of proportion.

    That being said, I DO love Castiel (well, before he got all power-hungry and shady), but never as a replacement for Sam.  I think having Misha back in some capacity would be an asset, just because I think he has a lot of range, but as I said.. NEVER as a replacement brother or something.. and certainly not forever, if they're trying to get back to what made the show great in the first place.  

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  11. Marisa VargasJanuary 7, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    Sounds cool!!

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  12. KatAdams03January 7, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    I think right now there is just a lot of hurt fans who are disappointed with the lack of Sam characterization. Sam's hell story was brushed under a rug and there looks like there is no change for that. Sam isn't communicating with anyone and Dean is the only one who is connecting to any of the guest stars. It's just upset. 

    But given the spoilers, Dean is getting to go back in time (12), Dean gets mixed up with a weird one night stand (13), and I'm not sure about episode 15 (but rumors were Jared missed a few days of filming).  So, it's a lot of Dean focus right now, which makes a lot of people think Jared is leaving the show or backing off. Jared's personal life is changing and it's not a big stretch. A lot of actors and actresses leave shows to spend more time with their family. You add this with Sam not having a story or any type of emotional plot during this time period (because it would make sense for Sam's story to be happening during these months and not during the month of the due date), people start wondering if Sam is leaving the show. 

    There is no proof or official evidence to say Jared or Sam is leaving the show. But I think people are just trying to put together why the writers would take a storyline, set it up, and then just ditch for months and then not show any type of emotions from the characters about it. It made sense for Sam's storyline to happen in the first half of the season especially now with Jared. But that didn't happen, so now, people are assuming it was completely dropped because what the point of doing something with a character who is leaving? Again, it's just upset. 

    Still, we were never promised that Sam's story would be told in the second half or not to my knowledge. (I think we were told that Sam's hallucinations would have consequences and if the actor who plays Lucifer could come back, we might see more of Sam's hell. But so far there have been no consequences or struggles for Sam dealing with Hell. And spoilers and random thoughts in interviews are no always what make it to screen.) 

    I don't think that everyone is convinced that Sam is leaving the show, but I do think people are worried because Jared's role might have to be reduced and the only way it could be reduced anymore is for Sam not to be in the episodes or only a few minutes. That's the concern and cause for the rumors. 

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  13. ThomasJanuary 7, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    I'm so tired of the Samgirls that think Sera is royally screwing up the character and thinking he's leaving the show.

    Adios, SpoilerTV.  I'll return when you start getting rid of those pointless comments.

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  14. reedmacJanuary 7, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    not leaving just having to step back for a while while due to his impeding fatherhood, it makes sense given the way the season has been heading and the fact that Gen is due in March while filming of the rest of the season will still be going on. It just seems logical, has nothing to do with fans wanting him gone or whining about screen time.

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  15. chris684January 7, 2012 at 8:49 PM

    I agree that this is likely just some Sam haters starting rumors. If the show was trying to get rid of him, instead of sweeping his story aside, they would be pushing it forward, moving it toward some kind of resolution. In Sam's case they would have definitively dealt with his hallucinations and maybe introduced a girlfriend that he might choose to leave the hunting life for.

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  16. Lilith HellfireJanuary 7, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    yes, of course, it was pure sacarsm, to the Sammy situation (or lack their of)

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  17. Jimi SturgesJanuary 7, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    cool name

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  18. jillyanneJanuary 7, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    Supernatural always has such interesting episode titles. Maybe "Out With The Old" means the boys will finally stop trying to hide things from each other. Or maybe it's about coming at the leviathans with something they'll never see coming - after all - they've proved they know exactly how the boys think through Cas' memories. Or maybe they decide to ditch the flannel shirts. Or maybe SAM GETS A HAIRCUT????????

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  19. isleofskyeJanuary 7, 2012 at 9:53 PM

    It could refer to so many things.
    It would be nice if it was out with the depression and in with some good times, at least for an episode. Oh, for an episode like Tall Tales where they get to laugh a little:-)

    I agree about Sam's hair.
    I liked it when it was shorter as it tended to curl and it looked more natural and I must be honest and say that the over-emphasised side-burns do nothing for me.

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  20. DahneJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:00 PM

    I like the other one better but this one does make you wonder what the old is.  In all honesty, there is not much old still left on Supernatural.  Well, except the Impala and she's already been more out than in this season.  Can't be her.

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  21. Pigeon666January 7, 2012 at 10:11 PM

    Out with The Guests. The writers are going to go on a massive killing spree in this episode. No one will live. They'll kill frank, Jodie, Becky (Thankfully) everyone on the list of limited allies that recur. It'll be fun!

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  22. jillyanneJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    Oh I like Sam's hair longer - I'd like it to look like Jared's hair though. Sam's is always so messy. 
    I was just being facetious. Who knows what the title refers to? NO ONE that's who. I much prefer to wait and see than speculate. It gives me a headache. :)

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  23. isleofskyeJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    All these theories are interesting but I have one question. Where are the Leviathans and Crowley?

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  24. Pigeon666January 7, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    The WRITERS KILLED THEM AAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

    But seriously, I think it's time for a surprise appearance by Crowley...and we definitely need more Leviathans, the strongest episodes this season have been centred around them. With exceptions, of course.

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  25. reedmacJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    best and most plausible theory so far me thinks

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  26. isleofskyeJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    True.
     No point in speculating, all will be revealed when the episode airs, and it's never what one thinks, in any case.
    As for Sam, I liked his hair better in seasons 4 and 5 but that's just me :-)

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  27. reedmacJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    I was just being narky, it wasn't a suggestion. If Jared goes I go and though I dont like the show very much any more I am still very much invested in what happens to the Winchesters esp Sam, I'm not ready for him to be done yet. 

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  28. Lissie_BeeJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    I'm pretty sure I would pay someone to sneak attack Jared and tame that hair.. I'll bet Misha would even do it for free.. but really.. it HAS to go.

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  29. Lissie_BeeJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    I'd love some more Crowley.. that snarky little bastard always keeps things interesting  :)

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  30. reedmacJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    makes a nice change from the whiny Dean girls that think Sera hates Dean, doesnt know how to write him and that Jensen should leave the show. 

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  31. isleofskyeJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:35 PM

     It's just that we're getting bits and pieces of everything but very little is leaking out about the big bads of the season.
    I hope it's because they are preparing a super surprise or plot twist.
     Mmmmmm! Maybe I shouldn't hope too hard for you never know what they might come out with. :-)

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  32. isleofskyeJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:41 PM

     Yes, he really peps up the goings-on

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  33. chris684January 7, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    It hit its peak mid-season 4. I've studied this.

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  34. isleofskyeJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    Intersting study. Would you like to share with the class?

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  35. chris684January 7, 2012 at 10:47 PM

    Let's just say I was between jobs. Had some extra time on my hands. :p

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  36. isleofskyeJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:50 PM

     Well, I must say you used it well! :-)

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  37. KatHaleJanuary 7, 2012 at 11:03 PM

    I don't know about the title,but I am expecting Cas to appear in it,probably close or at the end..Kind of like Crowley in Mommy Dearest!

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  38. chris684January 7, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    I sound like a creepy stalker, don't I? Seriously, I had some down time and spent some of that watching old SPN eps.

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  39. Elizabeth MadsenJanuary 7, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    Hmm... this is interesting... the common thread between the titles seems to me to be trash/things people throw out etc.... Perhaps we're seeing the return of the amulet... 


    (Or the boy's could be seeking the knowledge of the All-Knowing, All-Seeing Trash Heap!!)

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  40. Elizabeth MadsenJanuary 7, 2012 at 11:38 PM

    It could be out with Dick, and in with LeviaCas...

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  41. browniegirl27January 8, 2012 at 2:36 AM

    Those whiny Dean girls were run off the board when they were complaining last season about Dean's storyline.  Doesn't seem to be the case when Sam fans complain.  Interesting.

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  42. ScottAJanuary 8, 2012 at 2:42 AM

    They're gearing everybody up for the series finale where Dean is faced with living out his days without Sam around.

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  43. Lilith HellfireJanuary 8, 2012 at 2:59 AM

    I'm pretty sure (95% to be exact, that SPN has ONE season left, this isn't the final season). I am almost proof positive that they won't end the series with Sammy being dead (Sera will need another job after the shows end and I am pretty sure only The CW would be willing to hire her) so they won't burn that bridge completely down. I don't know why they stopped caring about Sammy development ( I think I am in the minority when I say I actually loved soulless Robo Sam, I was sad to see him get back his soul and felt cheated at how little they really showed in his head when his wall broke). I am Team Winchester (with just the slightest leaning towards being a Sammy girl) but facts are facts, they are ignoring Sammy's development and slaughtering both Dean and Sam with this third rate writing. I have been reading better fan fiction as of late (well the last 2.5 seasons) that I wish was cannon instead of the reality of what I am seeing on my TV. Please Eric K. come back and write & direct a few episodes to get us back to where we need to be. A creator has more love for the characters he creates than someone who just steps in when an opportunity presents itself. I wonder what Eric K. is thinking about this show right now. It can't be good. 

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  44. ScottAJanuary 8, 2012 at 3:11 AM

    They said again last night that they've never seen anybody get out of the life.  They both know it won't end well. (Most likely after next season)  You could kill them both and have them (hopefully) in heaven. You could have them killed and sent to hell again. (Don't know how well that would go over) Dean could die and Sam could live. Sam would handle it better than Dean. Or Sam dies and Dean tries to live on miserably without Sam.

    Which would do the series and characters the most justice?

    Just askin'!

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  45. Megan237January 8, 2012 at 3:13 AM

    look like its  ''girl next door'' kind-of-debate starting all over again. We have 4 words and everyone just KNOWS exactly what will happen in this episode and fight over it

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  46. ScottAJanuary 8, 2012 at 3:44 AM

    Jared and Jensen have been doing more work outside of SPN as was Jim Beaver. Jim had a small recurring role in Breaking Bad (Only a couple episodes) and is in Justified on FX. Bigger networks usually mean more exposure. They'll get to know more people and it'll snowball. 

    Look at The Shield/Sons of Anarchy.  Kurt Sutter wrote for The Shield and began to bring actors from that show over to Sons.  It is the logical/natural progression for actors. A lot hinges on how long they are under contract and whether that includes made for TV movies once the show is over.

    Just thinkng out loud here in Indiana.

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  47. Lilith HellfireJanuary 8, 2012 at 4:10 AM

    The way I see it, is they could pull a Charmed type move and "vanquish" all of the demons and their reward would be to have a clean slate and do whatever they wanted. Sam would go back to law school and become a lawyer and save people that way. Dean could re-connect with Lisa and Ben and maybe even have his own offspring with her (and name it Johnathan Winchester if it is a boy or Bobbi Winchester if it is a girl). They die of old age and meet in a shared heaven with their family all around (their mother, John, Jo, Ellen, and of course Bobby and because I am in a generous mood, Adam). After all of the suffering and pain they have been through, they deserve a happy ending. They deserve to be together. Or  maybe their new idea of heaven is being together and driving in the Impala listening to classic forever and ever drinking beer. All I know is that I want them to be happy in the end. I don't want either one of them to die. I honestly don't know what they could do for a grand finale send off that would both do the series justice, have be a logical, reasonable and sensible thing and make the fandom happy. You have me there. 
    Maybe Bobby's death and helping that family from the last episode is going to push Dean/the brothers toward finding a permanent solution to the demons/monsters problem, so that no one will have ever have to be a hunter and die a senseless and tragic death. Just a thought.

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  48. LuisJanuary 8, 2012 at 4:13 AM

    the old ones.... aka leviathans

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  49. Lilith HellfireJanuary 8, 2012 at 4:14 AM

    Sammy getting a hair cut, that's rich!!! It's like he's becoming Dan and Nate from Gossip Girl at the same time (no story, just a plot device (Nate) and no hair cut (Dan).

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  50. CyanaTJanuary 8, 2012 at 4:25 AM

    "
    There is no proof or official evidence to say Jared or Sam is leaving the show. But I think people are just trying to put together why the writers would take a storyline, set it up, and then just ditch for months and then not show any type of emotions from the characters about it. It made sense for Sam's storyline to happen in the first half of the season especially now with Jared. But that didn't happen, so now, people are assuming it was completely dropped because what the point of doing something with a character who is leaving? Again, it's just upset. 


    Still, we were never promised that Sam's story would be told in the second half or not to my knowledge. (I think we were told that Sam's hallucinations would have consequences and if the actor who plays Lucifer could come back, we might see more of Sam's hell. But so far there have been no consequences or struggles for Sam dealing with Hell. And spoilers and random thoughts in interviews are no always what make it to screen.) "

    You're correct, your entire post is correct. I only recall SG (or RS) saying in an interview months ago that ",,, a solution to Sam's problem (or something to effect ) would be found (very likely pressing his wounded hand) but this solution would lead to more problems" 

    So far, I have seen no signs of these "problems" and Sam is to all purposes seemingly stable for now. A poster on supernatural.tv had her questioned answered by Robert Singer relayed from CW PR Rep Suzanne Gomez and said "yes, he still has his hell memories and ***may be forced*** to face his dark side again". But the key statements to me are "may be forced" as both SG and RS (as well as EK before them) have created tentative plotline plans that were never carried forward. 

    The title change could be meaningless, in so far as "Another Man's Treasure" and "Out with Old" kind of have similar meanings. What can't be disputed in there are a lot of unhappy Sam (and some BiBro) fans who feel the writers abruptly seemed to dump a meaty Sam storyline after building it up in S6 to cause a huge effect on Sam's psyche. 

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  51. Kerinda HartsonJanuary 8, 2012 at 4:29 AM

    if they do that they lost I will never see this show again I hate this I really really am starting to hate this show for that jared better then that a better actor then anyone on that show and I am getting pretty sick of it if they dont something now I done they lost a fan in me.

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  52. jillyanneJanuary 8, 2012 at 4:42 AM

    I've never seen Gossip Girl so I wouldn't know. 

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  53. Lilith HellfireJanuary 8, 2012 at 4:45 AM

    You're not missing much

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  54. ScottAJanuary 8, 2012 at 5:07 AM

    I think you hit the point right on the head. A lot of fans would like to see a happy ending. 

    But can it ever end that way?

    Peace or Freedom.

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  55. sharonallyJanuary 8, 2012 at 9:35 AM

    Dean girls can complain what they cant do is start postcard campaigns or threating not to watch because they though the show was going to deal with Sams wall breaking. I  have my issues I  havent hidden that . There is a difference complaing because Dean didnt have the mytharc another when the character is neglected to the degree Sam has been. I  dont believe this show is about two brothers and hasnt been since season 4.

    Has for Jared he is not leaving why should he it his show has much has Jensens the baby will not interere with his filming nor is Misha moving in. People need to stop and think before saying something.

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  56. prpleightJanuary 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM

    "Another Man's Treasure" gave me some hints about what it could be about.  "Out with the Old" not so much.   

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  57. reedmacJanuary 8, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    'Out With The Old' Dean? In with the new Dean whose finally got his shit together? The end of Dean's 13 episode arc finishing just in time for Cas's return in 17?

    Coz if the writers say Dean's arc started in 4 proper then it technically will end in 16, which fits with what we know about 12, 13 and 15 being Dean centric? 

    Just a theory

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  58. chris684January 8, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    The difference is that they were showing up whenever there was a Sam spoiler just to bash Sam.  There weren't posting on Dean threads about Dean. They just wanted to bash Sam. That behavior just instigates a fight. The site mods start deleting comments when they see people trying to start fights.

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  59. reedmacJanuary 8, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    he has been sorely underused this season

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  60. reedmacJanuary 8, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    they're more like big bores than big bads

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  61. reedmacJanuary 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    hope Jody survives next week, I like her and cant wait to see her and Sam possibly working together. It could be the start of a beautiful friendship.

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  62. comicfangirlJanuary 8, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    OMG it's Supernatural and not one of the other bimbo shows for the brain dead!

    I do hope Sera has the piece of mind not to end Supernatural with a cappy, unrealistic happy ending to please the little girls.
    Butch & Sundance that's the fitting end for an underapriciated show and not the regular crap you get on every show these days. 

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  63. reedmacJanuary 8, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    maybe Sam gets a haircut and it cures his hellucinations?

    Hair gone, Lucifer gone its a miracle

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  64. reedmacJanuary 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    really I see plenty of whiny Dean girls on here now, so they cant all have been run  off

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  65. reedmacJanuary 8, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    I dont think Sam will ever go back to school, I dont think he wants that normal life anymore and hasnt for a while. I think he's done with that and done with relationships/romance for good.He has long since accepted who he is-a hunter and I dont think that will ever change. 

    My ideal ending would be Sam dying the hero he is and ending up in heaven with Jess.

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  66. rehabberJanuary 8, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    Maybe Cas is coming back to do what Sam did about Lucifer. Cas brought them here and he needs to get rid of the Levis or at least help in a big way.

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  67. rehabberJanuary 8, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    Am I the only one that thinks Jared taking time off for the birth of his baby is a bad thing.  It would not upset me in the least, and you child is only a baby once. If this is the case then good for Jared.

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  68. isleofskyeJanuary 8, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    I have to agree with you here, but I'm hoping they're going with the old saying "It's the calm before the storm." :)

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  69. isleofskyeJanuary 8, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    A bit like Samson in the Bible, maybe.
    They cut his hair and he lost his strength, so with Sam it might be that if they trim his hair he might lose his hellucinations.

    Only joking! Poor Sammy, he has too much on his plate as it is!

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  70. browniegirl27January 8, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Whiny Dean fans, whiny Sam fans, it's all a bit too much.  Every spoiler is met with complaints from both sides (Sam fans more so at the moment) about how their favorite brother is being ignored or being mistreated. 

    I can understand why some people might want to take a break from this board, or this fandom in general.

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  71. jensenfan1978January 8, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    Interesting.  Does make one wonder what it's going to be about.

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  72. Bruce_FJanuary 8, 2012 at 7:27 PM

    Egad.  Only Supernatural could generate this many comments from a simple title change.

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  73. jillyanneJanuary 8, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    Scary ain't it? 

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  74. ScottAJanuary 8, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    That's why I'm hoping for Dean left on his own to live. I doubt he could handle life without Sammy.  Or Bobby. Or everybody else.

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  75. reedmacJanuary 8, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    I would rather he concentrate on bonding with his son than on the show

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  76. Kerinda HartsonJanuary 9, 2012 at 1:44 AM

    me too I think that as well and now he has all summer to do that to with the cons that are coming up and julys comic con its hard to do all that.

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  77. CallyeJanuary 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Wouldn't that be nice!

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  78. MekinaJanuary 19, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Just have to say, I don't necessarily think Sam would handle Dean's death better than the other way around... The two times Sam's died for any length of time longer than a few minutes, the first time Dean lasted two days before breaking, but the second time he went on with Lisa and Ben, albeit miserably. The two times Dean has died, in MS for six months and the four months after he went to hell, both times Sam became an emotionless robot bent only on revenge. That's who he becomes without Dean. But I also think that if Sam died if Dean didn't make a promise and/or didn't have anywhere to go to like he had Lisa and Ben to go to (who would he go to if it happened right now in canon? Everyone they know is dead!) he'd snap and do something insane to bring Sam back, or kill himself or something. D: Okay, they need each other. I don't want the show to end, but better for it to end when it's still on a (mostly) high note than to drag on forever and ever. I say either both boys die (*sob*) or they both live, you can't have one without the other. They need each other to function.

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