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POLL : What did you think of Fringe - Enemy of My Enemy?

Jan 21, 2012

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117 comments:

  1. CéciliaJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:01 AM

    Orla Brady and John Noble. 'nough said.

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  2. Jay GibbsJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:03 AM

    Too bad they decided to spend the first chunk of the season going back to cases of the week. If they had just carried on with the plot at hand, they probably wouldn't be in the same trouble they are now.

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  3. Jimi SturgesJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:03 AM

    awsome

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  4. Totallyaddicted005January 21, 2012 at 3:08 AM

    That was a great episode!! I loved the scene with Elizabeth and blue side walter. 

    However, can someone tell me what Olivia was thanking Peter for? She said before this whole thing, I want to thank you for that without you... then gets cut off I'm confused what was she thanking him for??

    My rating: 9 Team Elizabeth Bishop!

    Favorite Quote: "I lost a partner" : Lee
    "I lost a UNIVERSE!" : Peter

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  5. Totallyaddicted005January 21, 2012 at 3:09 AM

    oh yeah, and whose behind the typewrtier?? 
    F-ING NINA SHARP!
    whoa!

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  6. David FischerJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:12 AM

    Peter told Olivia that she'd die if the portal closed while she was going through. She immediately stopped and the portal closed, disintegrating the front of the SUV. She would be dead if Peter hadn't warned her.

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  7. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:16 AM

    I thought Olivia meant that if Peter did not tell her to stop following Jones she may be dead, cut in half like Jones was in the previous universe/timeline. So she was thanking him for saving her life in essence.

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  8. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:21 AM

    This episode was (or would have been) the perfect welcome back and set up for the second half of the season! 

    I did think it was a bit uneven and some of the scenes interrupted the flow more than enhanced, but it was still great. Just not as good as last week's.

    This moved things along nicely and pulled Nina back into the story, in a new way! Great to see her again and knowing she could very well be the one typing on the other end of the typewriter is stunning!

    Fun to see Peter being the fly in the ointment of Jones (or Nina's) plan... OR should that be the "X" factor?

    I'm a bit sad we get back to COTW next episode. Just when momentum has returned to the series and now we slow it down with yet another COTW... sigh.

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  9. Totallyaddicted005January 21, 2012 at 3:25 AM

    got it, Thanks!!

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  10. Totallyaddicted005January 21, 2012 at 3:28 AM

    well, it is going to tie into the bigger story... did you see the promo for nxt week?? 
    The girl can see how people die... LIV was just told that she had to die there for...perfect timing heres a girl that can tell you how!! 

    In a way i thought she was going to risk jumping the portal and cash that prediction in or risk it knowing that she has it coming anyway..Glad she didn't FOR SURE! but thats what I though, glad she stopped a stayed alive!

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  11. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:34 AM

    Odd theory of the night....

    We have assumed that Nina was giving this Olivia Cortexiphan after knocking her out. What if it was more than that? A programming/ brainwashing regime in addition to something else. Recall in the season premiere that the Asian shifter was trying to coerce the scientist into creating a serum that would allow her to be less translucent.. have more realistic flesh etc.

    If Nina was in fact giving Olivia THAT serum, could Olivia in fact be a shapeshifter?  She would need to be programmed, a sleeper shifter if you will. It would allow the producers/ writers to have a path to kill Olivia since she must die according to September.

    I can see more arguments to this than supporting facts, but I thought it was interesting to consider....

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  12. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:34 AM

    Wow. My mind is thoroughly blown for the second week in a row. This is Fringe. 

    Loved Orla Brady's second appearance in a row; wasn't expecting that. I noticed September didn't make a cameo this time around; the Observer was the trainee from the season premiere. Ol' September might be in more trouble than we think. When Jones was at the computer at the end, I thought he was chatting with the Big Bad played by Michael Massee. Definitely was NOT expecting Nina. Wouldn't be something if, after all the triumph and tragedy between the worlds, Nina was the real villain of the series. Jared Harris killed it again, after being away for three seasons.More thoughts tomorrow.

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  13. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:41 AM

    September was in the episode. 

    After DRJ started dispersing the money to confuse the Fringe tracking. Right after OurLee says "Excuse me, Fringe Division" at the 28.36 mark September walks behind Lincoln wearing a hat.

    That is the 28.36 time stamp with commercials FYI.

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  14. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:45 AM

    Well the COTW often related to the myth arc, but  that still is not  a direct myth arc episode. Although they do seem to discuss September in the promo too.... 

    So I will hope that there is more going on outside of the "I see dying people" girl that connects to the arc directly!

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  15. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:47 AM

    I know what you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't September. That was the trainee.

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  16. WeAreLostBethJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:47 AM

    be still my beating heart! all scenes with orla brady & john noble.. had my heart swelling. Peter & Olivia after the quarry.. wow.. le sigh.. miss that couple.  Alt-Broyles trying to maintain composure and cover.. LOVE AltAstrid. and ourAstrid. ::inhale:: Jones answers to ****!!! oh my holy hell.. she's almost ready.. creepy conniving s.o.b. poor poor olive..  my thoughts are so scattered! what is she planning ?!?!

    Saw an observer in the dispersing money to the crowd scene.. after they lose Jones, he passes behind one of the Olivia's.. i know i saw the hat and suit.. no face.  

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  17. Ricky TerryJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:49 AM

    I had that thought too the night of Wallflower, but I kinda back-burnered it. But yeah I think you may be on to something. Is it possible to be a shapeshifter and not know it? 

     I have to mention something AdHarris wrote in a comment last week too. Isn't it weird that both confirmed dead (in the original timeline) people who are now alive in this amber timeline are in league with the shapeshifters? I'm speaking of Alt Broyles who I'm now 99.9% sure is a shapeshifter himself, and DRJ who is king of the shapeshifters (is he one or is he not one?). I'm starting to wonder if there is a connection to being dead in the original timeline, and being a shifter in this one. That ties back into your theory on Olivia, we know that she died in the future of the original timeline, so if she turns out to be a shifter, then that would make three dead people who are either shifters, or behind them in this timeline.  I smell a "Fringe-spiracy" 

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  18. Karen FredesJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:49 AM

    this episode really feel like FRINGE again. I love everything about it. Awesome!

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  19. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:50 AM

    Hmm interesting. It may not be September you're right. I don;t think he was tall enough to be the trainee though. Wasn't he quite tall? This Observer behind Lincoln looked to be about Lincoln's size I thought.

    Hmmm.. hard to judge looking down on the scene and he was a few feet behind OurLee too. Interesting....

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  20. Wilson CrawfordJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:54 AM

    Did you notice the part where she was looking around with everything suspended around her? That'll make the episode all on its own for me! 

    Moments like the car being sliced  up, and the hand against the window, with the flesh falling off...Walter almost unable to speak to Elizabeth, as she forgave him...This show does nothing but give me chill bumps.

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  21. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:54 AM

    He looked tall enough, but the thing I noticed was his skin was extremely pale; more so than September. I'll have to go back and watch  a double feature with Back To Where You've Never Been.

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  22. Wilson CrawfordJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:55 AM

    Yeah I thought to myself "Dammit, I can't see David Robert Jones, but I think I just found the observer for the first time in like 10 episodes..."

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  23. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:57 AM

    I read that last week.. It is interesting. 

    All of the shifters seem to coordinate to Red Verse dead characters I thought, the Olivia that died in the original time line was Blue flavored wasn't she?

    Although maybe they are not THAT specific... XD

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  24. Wilson CrawfordJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:57 AM

    Yeah, I respectfully disagree about it not being as good as last week's. There were too many incredible moments to me for it not to be just as great as last week's episode.

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  25. Wilson CrawfordJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:58 AM

    It wasn't September. I could even tell that.

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  26. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 3:59 AM

    You didn't answer me earlier when you were talking about your picture, what kind of cancer did you have?

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  27. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:01 AM

    I think there were a number of incredible moments in this episode, but I think  last episode was stronger from start to end. 

    Some of this episode did not flow as well for me. I will have to watch it again and pick out exactly what it was.

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  28. Ricky TerryJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:03 AM

    Well I'm counting Blue DRJ in this too, so whether or not he himself is a shifter, he is the leader of them so far...

    Maybe the forthcoming other bad guy is his and Nina's boss. Maybe Nina is a shifter too. We still have yet to know anything about any timeline's red Nina. Maybe red Nina is dead, thus this would hypothetically be yet another dead person who is now a shifter. I know i'm running wild here, but this damn episode was so full of mythology porn that I can't help myself.

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  29. cortexifanJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:04 AM

    I'm serious. We need an epic button.
    Best episode ever!!!

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  30. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:05 AM

    Someone posted this picture on Fringepedia: 
    http://www.fringepedia.net/w/images/7/77/Observer409.jpg
    That isn't September, but now I'm not so sure it's the trainee.

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  31. Ricky TerryJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:05 AM

    So I take it those photos with two DRJs from months ago was to throw us off? Maybe he was just a stand-in or stunt double. Or maybe there is still something yet to be revealed on this subject.

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  32. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:11 AM

    Here's a larger version.

    I don't think it is the Trainee though... Not sure which it is.... Someone new?

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  33. Ricky TerryJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:14 AM

    I'll bet it is September's replacement. I recall a casting report of some guy of whom it seems turned out to be a new observer in later set pics. I think we may have seen the last of September. Unless we see an observer flashback episode...Which will make me Squeal like a little girl if it happens! 

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  34. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:16 AM

    It gets even stranger (although with Fringe that's to be expected), here's a picture from Wallflower:
    http://www.fringepedia.net/w/images/9/99/Observer407.jpg
    That isn't September, either.

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  35. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:19 AM

    Indeed.

    Honestly, I always assumed that the observing Observer in each episode was supposed to be September keeping tabs, but sometimes they used stand-ins if Michael Cerveris was not on set.

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  36. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:25 AM

    According to this article, there will be an important Observer episode in the next five to six episodes; you may be right:
    http://seriable.com/fringe-producers-joshua-jackson-preview-upcoming-episodes-coming-of-age-drama/

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  37. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:26 AM

    Well DRJ will be around for a bit still seeing as he is not dead and very much an integral part of this universe's myth arc.

    I think we will get our When Mr. Jones met Mr. Jones moment.... I hope!

    I'm still wondering what his endgame is. Infiltrate government why? Gather that mineral why?
    I understood his agenda more in the original Blue Verse, but now he seems to be partnering WITH Nina. That would go against the original Jones' ideals I think.... 

    Wait and see I guess! XD

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  38. magnutudeJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:28 AM

    Another mind blowing ep, even just on the performances alone: Elizabeth/Walter, Peter/alt-Astrid (think she might have a crush? or maybe she's just geeked out)/ and the wonder Peter/Walter end piece, and of course DRJ making eeevil look so easy..... and then there's the writing... props all the way around....

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  39. Ricky TerryJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:30 AM

    I read that a little earlier too. Did you realize that is me commenting over there too? I did recognize your name over there as well. Us Fringies don't travel to far away from each other in the internets do we? 

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  40. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:36 AM

    I recall something like that too, but I thought that was the "trainee" and we have already seen him. Was there a second similar casting? 

    Entirely possible since I miss some FRINGE stuff on here.  Depending on my mood sometimes I avoid spoilery looking posts...

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  41. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:37 AM

    You two are the only people I have ever seen post over there! XD

    I have yet to although I do read most of the articles...

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  42. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:39 AM

    Wow. I've been there hundreds of times, and I have never made the connection. I don't know how I could've missed that.
     I am so sorry.

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  43. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:41 AM

    You go there, too? Is Roco around here somewhere?

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  44. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:48 AM

    Yep I go there often 
    and  post content from there over here... usually not FRINGE related as the fringe posters here usually beat me to it.

    I love the breakdowns he does for FRINGE, Person of Interest and Once Upon a Time even if I do not enjoy that show as much! XD

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  45. David FischerJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:50 AM

    I now ship Peter/Altstrid

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  46. Adam D. HarrisJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:51 AM

    Loved the episode!

    Jared Harris rocked the ship once again! So awesome!

    One thing... what was the mineral Jones was after? Peter was talking about it like it was something from a previous storyline, but I'll be damned if I can remember it. :P

    Not as good as last weeks, but still v.cool!

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  47. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 5:00 AM

    Amphilacite? Anfelocite?

    It was new to me and I wondered if we had heard it before too.....

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  48. jjJanuary 21, 2012 at 5:06 AM

    awesome great episode

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  49. Wilson CrawfordJanuary 21, 2012 at 5:28 AM

    That's really weird because last week's I kept feeling like "ok this needs to happen to get to what I know needs to happen next" while this one, I was constantly checking the time because I thought it was about to end and I was going to be so upset if it was over already!

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  50. Wilson CrawfordJanuary 21, 2012 at 5:30 AM

    I just saw the question just now, sorry! 

    I answered over there, but I'll answer here too: I had Leukemia when I was 5. It was an experience to say the least.

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  51. Jenni LouJanuary 21, 2012 at 6:10 AM

    I just think the show is brave and daring. Say what you will about feeling disconnected from the previous seasons but few shows would be so bold as to completely divert the story from everything we once knew for what's been nearly half a season so far. I expect a big and satisfying payoff which is why I don't let the disconnect bother me so much.

    Anyway, really enjoyed. Jared Harris was excellent as always. Interesting that they are playing out the Alt-Broyles business. I wonder how long it will be until he is found out.

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  52. ShatteredOneJanuary 21, 2012 at 6:11 AM

    First off...why the hell do people not watch this show?!  It's amazing!

    Loved this episode, it was great have Jones back as he is played expertly and I love how sinister he is.  For some reason I didn't even think that this Jones was the continuation of what would've happened had they not stopped him in Season 1.  I had been thinking he was Alt-Jones.  At any rate, great having him back.

    John Noble continues to impress me, which I didn't think possible at this point, with how well he plays Walter.  And that scene with Elizabeth was truly astounding and thought it was great that she was the catalyst to get Walter to help Peter.

    All in all, this is one of my favorite shows and I HATE that it'll likely be cancelled.

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  53. Jenni LouJanuary 21, 2012 at 6:11 AM

    As soon as I saw the gloves, I was like "aw, shit. Nina be crazy in this timeline."

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  54. MeatyStakesJanuary 21, 2012 at 6:21 AM

    Okay, some love for the unsung heroes: Alt!Astried is amazing and Jasika is a fine actress.

    I kinda wish that Orla Brady was a regular, good god, she always brings it.

    I loved good Nina from the start of the season, she was cute. But evel Nina is so much fun. She has been keeping an eye on Olivia since she was a little girl, she even adopted her, to shill her into something that we still don't know.

    Kinda sad that they killed asianshifter, I liked her. Fringe has returned better than ever, but is sucky that the mythology is so complex that alienates new viewers.

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  55. JosephMcLaddleJanuary 21, 2012 at 6:34 AM

    Didn't Alt-Brandon die in the original timeline too?  He turned out to be a shapeshifter as well.

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  56. starinacasketJanuary 21, 2012 at 7:06 AM

    Peter sort of explained it in tonight's episode, it's in the transcript Darque posted. The mineral is what William Bell used to create the power source in Nina's arm that DRJ stole in the original timeline of the season 1 finale. The power source is what he used to create a hole to the other side. Though I don't think we ever heard about a mineral in season one, Nina just called it a powerful energy cell. 

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  57. MJanuary 21, 2012 at 7:37 AM

    I like Nadine Park too. Wish she could have done more acrobatics before she got shot.

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  58. prpleightJanuary 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    That was really interesting.  I have always marveled at the fact the the alternate Olivia moves so differently from "our" Olivia, but tonight I realized that this version of "our" Olivia actually moves differently than she did in season one.

    The universe differences this season really have me hooked but I can't shake this feeling of dread as I wait for Peter to find out that he's actually in *his* universe.

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  59. Spike TrolovJanuary 21, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Great episode!

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  60. LouJanuary 21, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    The Walter/Elizabeth scene in the lab was beautiful, in fact like last week any scenes with John Noble are a highlight for me and I hope we get more of Elizabeth this season as well.

    DRJ how I have missed your tea drinking breaking holes through the universe ways! A welcome return and I am happy the whole is Walternate evil idea seems to have been concluded, even back in S3 I didn't think he was the big bad.

    Nina though what are you up to! I hope we start to see more of her though I understand the tight budget of the show means we can't get every character every episode.

    Other highlights:

    x The scene when both versions of the characters are in the conference room was so damn cool.

    x Alt!Astrid!!!!! 'Cool' 

    x Alt!Liv talking with Nerd!Linc on the bench, so cute.

    x I love the air of sheer indifference on Shapeshifter Broyles face when he let DRJ drive off. I'm assuming he is a shifter.

    x Walter brushing Gene <3<3<3

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  61. abuliketJanuary 21, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    I checked on Fringebloggers but no sign of the site...Anybody knows where did it go?

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  62. EmilyJanuary 21, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Since everyone seems to have said almost everything else I just want to add one thing - it scares me deeply when Fringe gives this many answers! 2 reasons: either its about to seriously fall down the rabbit hole (wheee!) or I've missed the clues that we already have...

    Through the roller-coaster that is Fringe over the seasons I have learnt to trust the writers implicitly, and the more involved we are drawn into being with these 'new variations', the more sure I am that this is Peter's real life knocked on its ear. My suspicions are leaning towards as Peter disseminates more of what he knows, changing the course of this variation there will be wobbles and hopefully some other memories may start to bleed through. I love the moments we're seeing, the nods and winks to the interactions we're keyed into looking for (Linc and AltLiv were so fun!), it felt so good to get all those answers and smile moments, I just know that the writers are about to drop a bomb or six on us.

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  63. DarthLocke4January 21, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    I voted "great"

    I liked the episode, but it's not my favorite compared to many episodes that came before this season. Of course I love seeing another version of Jones, who so far isn't a shapeshifter as I thought, since part of what Peter tells Jones about another Jones is still true and his palse spiked! --But I was right that Nina Sharp and Massive Dynamics are involved, and she seems like she is in the road of Walternate or Brandonate...In both universes Brandonate and Broyles die, so curious that they both become shapeshifters 'here', but I wonder if Peter will make the connection with the red Broyles? I was trying to think of what Jones and Shapeshifter's goal would be by blowing a whole in the universe(s), since he can cross over...Going back to the 2026 vision of some other timeline from "The Day We Died", prompts me again to think of The End of Dayers and their black hole in central park, which is how many Peter's and/or versions of the first people have gone 'back' in time and dismantle the machine, only to create a new timeline where once again people come to reassemble the machine and eventually this situation starts all over again.So one thing that could be clear is that making a bridge isn't necessarily a cure-all, since this timeline somehow already has one, but one thing that isn't clear is what happened to The End of Dayers in the 2026 timeline? --Did they use their Central Park black hole too?Additionally I thought before back at the end of season 1 that maybe there ends up being several different black holes made in other timelines and that the soft spots all related to that. If that's the case, then it's possible that differently located black holes may take us to different time periods with in any one given timeline! --It could be that the shapeshifters, Nina, and/or Jones have some kind of time-war-like agenda with the history of their universe...These leads me back to the fact that the shapeshifters tried to kill Peter in "Back to When You've Never Been". I had a good reason, other than just the hint from "Hard Copy" (prequel comic) that Nina might be in some way behind this, as she suddenly went to Walter's lab, the man who clearly dislikes her, the minute she heard of Peter's arrival! This leads me to believe that their timeline also must have an awareness to 'a prophecy' of Peter, and she point blank fears his existence...the effect he could have on her plans...I really like being able to our characters interact together and have some that weren't in Peter's timeline, come to be on the same side 'here'. Additionally Red Elisabeth holds true too in being strong! Orla Bailey again gave such a wonderful performance and it was so unexpected to see her cross over and talk to Walter!

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  64. DarthLocke4January 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    "It happened before, it will happen again!"

    Good theory. I kept thinking that Jones was going to turn out in this timeline to be a shapeshifter, but so far I am wrong, since this Jones' has similar experience to the other Jones and his palse spiked when Peter told him the story about the other, suggesting that both Jones do in fact share the first part of their experiences...my point is that I didn't think he still be a shapeshifter since he has a specific past to remember...

    But in season 3 Olivia was given the red Olivia's memories and she eventually caved into them when she saw the alternate of her mother..Partually going with your theory, what if these shapeshifters can be given memory syrum?? ---But I don't know what that would mean for Olivia though..hmmmm

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  65. DarthLocke4January 21, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    One night in "October"?????

    But it would be curious if September did prepare for his death/injury, wouldn't it?

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  66. Failsafe23January 21, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    It truly was one of the best episodes I've seen. Action-packed, tense and most of all - emotional. Bravo (bow)

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  67. overandbackJanuary 21, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    That was one fantastic episode. Certainly the best one this year and one of the best of the series. It's great that things are on the move again. There were so many great moments in it. A couple of the best to me were. When Walter talked to Peters' mother and changed his mind about things Then overcoming his fear of leaving the lab. He walked in the dark by himself to tell Peter he'd help him. It brought a tear to the eye.

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  68. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Oh boy, that's a bad one. I'm sorry. How are you doing now?

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  69. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    I've tried to go there several times, but no luck. I thought it was just my old, crappy computer. I have no idea where it went.

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  70. DarthLocke4January 21, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    I am also hoping it semi-relates to "the Plateau" and "Stowaway"...Especially Stowaway, because that is the one episode where a higher course correction takes place since Amanda Grey couldn't die (move on) until she fulfilled a specific role (much like Michael on Lost), plus Stowaway is where we met the first blue Lincoln Lee and I think these shapeshifters play on "variable exchanges" in being able to change any set fate...

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  71. DarthLocke4January 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    I post there sometimes too..I am "TheOtherMe"...

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  72. SAMURAI_ex_ninjaJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    I loved it, I couldn't stop myself from checking the time every ten or so minutes, I didn't want the episode to end!! Not sure if that's because I was waiting for something big to happen and it never did until the very end or because it was just so good...

    I loved the part where Altstrids eyes are almost bulging out of her head when she hears about where Peter is from, and the Elizabeth and Walter scene was just heartbreaking.

    I thought the episode was on par with last weeks, mostly because of the last fifteen minutes.

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  73. Wilson CrawfordJanuary 21, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    Perfectly fine :)

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  74. robert ariadneJanuary 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    Good.

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  75. Chiara BocciJanuary 21, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    That was an amazing twist!! I didn't see that coming...

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  76. Chiara BocciJanuary 21, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Awesome episode!!! Loved all of it...

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  77. SaltygoodnessJanuary 21, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    I thought it was amazing, loved the interaction between two universes

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  78. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 6:25 PM

    I wonder what Jones is up to also...
    Is he a tool for Nina or Mr. X? 
    Does he have an endgame of his own, if so what?

    Causing a black hole is one thought I've had too a la the "End of Dayers".

    I wonder if he wants to hit the "cosmic reset" button and make humanity start over . 

    I also wonder if Jones is the Chaos Factor that is working against the Observer's faction. I mean that if we assume the Observers are trying to course correct the timelines, maybe Jones is trying to keep them apart. Again though, to what end?

    All that assumes the Observers are the "good guys" of course. If they are the bad guys, then Jones could be a freedom fighter more than a terrorist.

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  79. DarthLocke4January 21, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    Exactly my thoughts...

    I mean the Observers are hard to peg since IMO they have a lot in common with the idea of a clone or shapeshifter (which is why I think in some timeline the sahpeshifters are reflective of the Observers' own eveolution)...Let alone their attire pegs them to "buisness" attire, seemingly the political idea they don't care about anything except to get to "some end"...

    I kind of think the Observers creation might have been for a good intention, like the first, first people until others in other time lines come to take their place, but that there manifestation and way in which can exist may have caused a reversed effect (like how these shapeshifters have come to continue on the roles of brandonate and broyles--a sudo life extension) and thus their existence might keep humanities' from reaching a better conclusion then just starting over...So in that I agree we may need freedom fighters (going back to Mosley going after the beacon)...or maybe we just need the Observers to choose to parish...

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  80. StickoxydalJanuary 21, 2012 at 8:01 PM

    It's no secret that I'm often fairly critical of Fringe, I don't watch it for weeks and then catch up again and I'm in the small minority here that doesn't really care a lot whether it'll be cancelled or not.
    But I'll admit that this episode was great and one of the better ones in the show's history. Maybe it's because it made use of the characters over there a lot and I pretty much prefer them to their alter egos in the regular universe. Maybe it's because Lance Reddick finally got something to do, he's usually absolutely underused on this show which is a shame in my opinion. Or maybe it's because it was one of the better and intriguing story lines I've seen so far on this show. This rarely happens, but I'm really looking forward to the next episode.

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  81. Jessica SanmartinJanuary 21, 2012 at 8:40 PM

    Oh my god! Nina is evil! She's EVIL!!

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  82. Fringie6989January 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    Awesome doesn't cover it. Every moment of this ep, I was on the edge of my seat. I watched the entire episode with my mouth hanging open. Jaw-dropping, spine-tingling, heart-racing, nonstop action and emotion. Shock, tears, everything an episode could have was found in this one. Well done Fringe! I can't believe so many nielson viewers are missing out on this!

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  83. Fringie6989January 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    I definitely think there is much more than a COTW next week. I think it's alll going to tie in to the main storyline. This episode had countless parallels to a number of previous episodes most specifically, Ability and There's More Than One Of Everything from season 1. Did anyone else notice the similarities between this promo and The Ghost Network from season 1?

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  84. LemonworldJanuary 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    LOVED it! As others have said, Orla Brady and John Noble ROCKED their scenes. I really hope we'll be seeing lots more of Orla Brady. The whole first half of the season was worth it, just to get to these awesome  episodes that we had last week and this. Hope they can keep it up!

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  85. Ryan LoganJanuary 21, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    another amazing episode!! but quesiton... in this timeline was olivia stilll tested on as a child? sorry they might have said it but i forgot =)

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  86. DarqueModeJanuary 21, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    I reacted having seen a new character and any COTW plot after the two awesome myth porn episodes in a row. 
    I think it  definitely be a tie-in COTW more than most are from what you and Wilson have stated. Honestly, I only half pay attention to the next week promos so I don't recall details.The large majority of the time I like to go into Fringe episodes without having seen any footage from the new episode.

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  87. tsavonglah08January 22, 2012 at 12:51 AM

    I won't confirm nor deny that it got dusty in my room during the scenes of them in Harvard. So great!!

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  88. tsavonglah08January 22, 2012 at 12:52 AM

    Yeah, that gloves were a dead giveaway...was surprised they needed to show us her face. :D Effing Nina!!! :D

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  89. tsavonglah08January 22, 2012 at 12:55 AM

    Felt the same way. Though last weeks finally got this season going and I was excited for it, it was a little bit underwhelming. But this weeks delivered on so many levels, especially the emotional ones during the Walter and Elizabeth scenes.

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  90. tsavonglah08January 22, 2012 at 12:58 AM

    I wish the same but wouldn't keep my hopes up for more of Orla Brady than bits of here and there.

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  91. Ricky TerryJanuary 22, 2012 at 1:28 AM

    I may be wrong but I think Roco is upgrading it, but I'm not sure. And i think he comes here too, but again I might be wrong. 

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  92. Ricky TerryJanuary 22, 2012 at 1:41 AM

    Definitely a different guy.

    Check this out: http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/11/fringe-season-4-casting-news-new.html and this: http://www.spoilertv.co.uk/images/zp-core/full-image.php?a=fringe%2Fseason-4%2Fset-photos%2F18th+November+2011&i=tumblr_lus8utptMX1qzoy6io1_500.jpg&q=75&wmk=!

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  93. Ricky TerryJanuary 22, 2012 at 2:21 AM

    Did he? I seem to recall him being in the bridge-room, but it may just have been Regular Brandon. I need to hit Fringepedia. 

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  94. JosephMcLaddleJanuary 22, 2012 at 2:27 AM

    I thought someone (Alt-Broyles perhaps?) killed him in the lab to help Olivia escape.  Could have been some other scientist though...

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  95. Ricky TerryJanuary 22, 2012 at 2:56 AM

    He might have, and it would go along with my theory too, I'm gonna go look now...

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  96. AlderJanuary 22, 2012 at 3:09 AM

    It was a very small moment but I loved how fascinated alt Astrid was with Peter. Her whole job is about probability and working things out based on variables and whatnot, so present her with someone who isn't even supposed to exist and of course she's gonna be at a loss for words other than "cool".

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  97. Wilson CrawfordJanuary 22, 2012 at 3:23 AM

    You should remember! In the episode before the first finale, David Robert Jones had his thugs shoot Nina and take the battery out of her arm so that he could power his device to open up a hole into the other universe. Here, he's found the way to process the material and make more of that stuff all on his own. :)

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  98. JosephMcLaddleJanuary 22, 2012 at 3:31 AM

    Nah, I was wrong.  He lived and was on the bridge like you thought.  I may have been thinking a poll that was run that asked "who do you think is going to die in the finale" and alt-Brandon was like a favorite choice.

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  99. DarqueModeJanuary 22, 2012 at 5:12 AM

    Yeah that looks like it could be the Observer in the episode too. That being the case you're probably right that it is September's replacement. At least could be.

    I wonder if September's replacement is named September.... Is it a title more than a name? Would he be October as in th next one? OR some other naming protocol? XD

    I would hope if September is in fact dead we get to see a bit more of the how and the why he was shot. The Observers are mysterious enough as it is, but if they start dying and being replaced with no rhyme or reason it would just be too much mystery for me! XD

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  100. Krista McInturffJanuary 22, 2012 at 7:32 AM

    I loved the conversation between walter and peter at the end. sigh it was beautiful. and boo to nina.

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  101. Penny LaineJanuary 22, 2012 at 7:40 AM

    Roco posted an advisory letting us know the blog would be down for a while. He's doing some upgrading, I think.

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  102. Penny LaineJanuary 22, 2012 at 7:42 AM

    I do too, I guess we all wind up in the same places!

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  103. Penny LaineJanuary 22, 2012 at 7:45 AM

    I love Altastrid too! She is just so special and I love that she's such an important element in the Fringe division because she has this very specific skill that no one else has.

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  104. chris684January 22, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    This was a great episode.  I was loving them all working together.  I hate to say it, but I think I'm going to miss this group when Peter gets back to original timeline, and the two worlds are set on destroying each other again.

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  105. DarthLocke4January 22, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    Don't know if anyone is still reading but I hate some additional thoughts

    from the latest post in "The Symbology of Mr. X" Thread:

    I think they've started to make this really great point that these iterations of sets parallel universes keep repeating and coming to the same fates over and over. So I do agree that this Jones most likely plays a similar role...However, further talking with DarqueMode on the main site, there could still be this 'reversed idea'....For instance, If this is the first time any Peter and/or machine user has time traveled back to another iteration to save his/her own, would allow this concept of using a special variable (Peter) as a way to alter this reality and cause reciprocity to his...But if it is not the first time a special variable like Peter has been used in this fashion, then even the idea of reciprocity becomes apart of the problem...and thus we still have a bigger can of worms to get into.One idea I have is that the Observers might also be "special" variables and so could "the shapeshifters"...So far both play on life extension via clones and replacement. The Observers are starting to sacrifice themselves for the sake of people they care about, so that they can extend their future. August went down for Christine Hollis and now September saved Peter to save Olivia...The Shapeshifters in a demented way, replace the people they kill and make it "appear" like those people's lives are extending.However, The Observers seem to help give life, where the shapeshifters take it. (So there could be an axiom of war in and of itself here)It could be that the Observers were "created" to be the first, First People, and that at the time, creating a loop and starting over seemed like the only option, but over time other people came to take their roles, having to do with for some reason they were also designed to travel between multi-universes and/or iterations of these universes, but it could their role gets 'lost' (white tulip) and that they then become something extra, like a virus...and the only way to save 'ourselves' is if THEY choose to scarafice for 'the right' people (de-substitute for the right variables)But if we look back to John Mosley and "The Arrival" and even perhaps Hoffman in "The Bishop Revival", we might being seeing people who are time traveling...Mosley was going after the Beacon and mentioned Robert Bishop to Peter, as if John knew him personally....Then we have Hoffman who, very much like these inmates of "Alcatraz" was apart of Nazi Germany science team along with Robert Bishop, has found away to not age, exist in the now, and continues to bestow his believes of GENOCIDE (<--negation, missing link, 'lost generation", cultivating a certain race) in the here and the now.So Peter might not change the fate of this iteration...but maybe these two iterations have been at war for a long long long time, and/or perhaps some of these people follow Peter home...And Now I wonder if David Robert Jones could some hoe be or relate to Robert Bishop?????????????? 

    Previous discussions here:http://www.spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=22516&p=633263#p633263

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  106. Jessica SanmartinJanuary 22, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    I agree! I get that they were trying to establish how on person, namely Peter, can alter people in such an intricate way, but I believe they could have accomplished that in a couple of episodes, 3 at most, not half a season... I'm still crossing my fingers tough.

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  107. BismaJanuary 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    Whoa! so many important moments and discoveries! whoa! the end!

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  108. arun279January 22, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    the first thing that came into my mind as soon as the episode ended was, "Where are they going with this?" I hope they have something that resembles a plan as to where they want to take this. I mean there are a lot of questions opening up everyday, wrt Nina's motives, the Observer deciding to tell Olivia that she will die (he just cannot learn, he keeps on interfering; this name is 'observer' for fucksake) and can Peter really just 'go back'... I am ready for answers now... I mean we know that in the future in the regular timeline, Olivia dies. Maybe her death is not stoppable or something.

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  109. arun279January 22, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    I have a question. Walternate was unable to cure Peter because the observer stopping him from doing so; but he rectified it by saving Peter later. But we now know that he doesn't save Peter.... Does that mean he doesn't stop Walternate and there is another reason why he was unable to find a cure?

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  110. DahneJanuary 22, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    Again some great twists.  Two superb episodes back to back.  I think I like this one better though for 2 scenes, absolutely the Walter-Peter scene at the end and also the Walter-Elizabeth scene where she convinces Walter to help Peter.  Both scenes had terrific acting and although I tend to shy away from the angst, these were perfect in both scope and placement.  I've been waiting for Peter and Walter to reconnect since the first episode.  Nice to see it start happening now.  I particularly loved how shocked Peter was and how he immediately asked if Walter was okay.  Their relationship made Fringe for me and this scene was really touching.  I've watched it on repeat far too many times.

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  111. DahneJanuary 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

    I too liked this episode better than last week's, although both were phenomenal.  For me the interspersing of high action, mystery, and touching scenes worked really well and you know how much I tend to hate the angst.  Perhaps it was because last week moved from point A to point B at breathtaking speed which is exactly how you want the midseason finale to go.  This one allowed certain scenes to breath more and since they were exactly the scenes I have been waiting for I wanted to linger in them.  

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  112. Wilson CrawfordJanuary 22, 2012 at 11:47 PM

    I agree, both were phenomenal. The best two parter we've had in a while!

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  113. Jessica SanmartinJanuary 23, 2012 at 1:18 AM

    Perhaps he does stop Walternate but he doesn't save Peter... They're expunging Peter of the timeline, so the perfect way to do that is to let Peter (perhaps ALL Peters) die...

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  114. WeAreLostBethJanuary 24, 2012 at 12:44 AM

    if rumors are true and we have an Astrid centric episode this season i will grin my ass off!

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  115. Tracy RobinsonJanuary 24, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    Loved it!

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  116. neon_rubyJanuary 25, 2012 at 2:24 AM

    Another spectacular episode. So many good things but the first thing has to be those scenes between Walter and Eliznate. I'd always hoped that we'd get a scene with the two of them and it didn't disappoint. In fact I think it ranks amongst some of my fave Fringe moments. Elizabeth forgiving Walter was beautiful.

    Jones - scary and fabulous as usual. He has the most awesome voice - all gravelly and sinister.

    Broyles! As much as I'm glad that Lance Reddick is getting some material to work with, I wish Alt-Broyles could catch a break.

    Fauxlivia - brilliant. I always feel like I'm watching a different actress play her. Her and Linc on the bench was so funny - poor Linc.

    Love this new version of Walternate. I always liked him but this new, more cooperative, compassionate one is compelling to watch. Love all of John Noble's scenes with Orla Brady and Josh Jackson (who was great throughout the episode).

    The conference room scene with the two Broyles. Olivias and Lincolns was so cool. Can't wait for the two Astrids to meet!

    Was that a moment I spied between Peter and Olivia? Seemed like a lingering look to me.

    Nina!! What is she up to? That was a jaw-dropper. 

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  117. Tracy RobinsonJanuary 25, 2012 at 2:29 AM

    The end just made me yell at the telly!

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