The problem is i don't care about Amber Olivia's fate. I care about Original Olivia and all of this would be much more satisfying to watch it was happening to the real characters. Why don't they resolved the amber storyline before telling these stories? This is getting very frustrating.
Ah, but see you are working under the idea that this is a new universe(s). I am working under the theory that this is an altered timeline. That is OUR Olivia. The blue/red universes have merely been manipulated as a result of plucking Peter out of time. But they are indeed still the characters we've been following for years. Just what I think. :)
I agree, if they want us to see these charactars as our charactars then they need to tell us that, we like peter feel removed from them b/c we know that they are different then the ones we've known for three seasons. Making it harder to actually go with this amber version of them.
The producers talk about this here: Check it out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/20/fringe-producers-scoop-olivia-david-robert-jones_n_1219710.html?ref=tw
Umm... fyi... September said that in every timeline and universe everything comes down to Olivia dying. So... you should be worried. And yes, this IS our Olivia. Just a bit different version of her.
That's exactly what I think. The Observers said 'the timeline has been re-written', so in theory there is no home for Peter to go back to... this is his home, but it can be fixed or re-written again.i think. i hope, anyway
that's what i think too! and frankly after watching that last scene with peter and olivia (olivia thanking peter for saving her life etc) i have no doubts this theory is correct!
I think this is an altered timeline too and that this really is OUR Olivia. I think that's why they are having Peter and Olivia get closer (like with the scene at the end of this week's episode) and why the producers keep saying that Lincoln isn't going anywhere. I mean it stands to reason that considering Lincoln was only seen once in the Blue universe but he's not going anywhere from this point on, then the Amberverse is OUR universe just altered. The producers have even outright said this is a new timeline not new universe. And I think they haven't told us because if it turns out that they eventually remember Peter that moment will be even better after waiting for him to "get home" for so many episodes.
The producers have said in countless interviews this entire season whenever they are interviewed that this is 'our' timeline it's just ALTERED because Peter never/should have never existed. I'm confused as to why no one is remembering that unless they don't read the producer interviews. Since before the season started they have been telling the viewers this.
Indeed there has been much talk of universes and timelines. They are different things.
Also, what stood out for me in this last ep is that Alt-Astrid asked Peter of he was from a different "timeline." Not a different universe. I found that interesting.
Yes and I agree to a point. We are along for the ride with Peter. However, the emotional punch for him (and theoretically for us) is going to be that much greater when we get confirmation that there is no 'original' timeline out there and that this IS his timeline.
Quote from Joel Wyman: "Jeff and I were actually shocked that people would think for a second that we would have one of those sequences where, poof, the character is gone and everything that you knew about our characters and everything that you learned didn't really happen or is gone. We would be terribly frustrated if we came across that, being fans of television ourselves. So we would never in a million years do that. What we were really trying to do is have the audience really understand that all this stuff really did happen -- "I'm with Peter and I'm in his shoes; I want him to be able to experience what he's lost. I want to get back there and I want those relationships. I know that he belongs with Olivia. I want him back with Olivia -- I don't know how, but he's got to find his way back." That's what we had always intended, so we were a bit shocked when people thought, "They just erased a couple of years of character history." It's not true. That's not what our intention was, nor is it where we're going." - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/12/season-4-fringe-back-to-where-youve-never-been_n_1201422.html
Dealing with such a new story while we're worried about the show being canceled is certainly frustrating, but I have faith in this writing team that these characters' stories will pay off. I also just really love seeing how these characters interact together in comparison to our originals (We've examined in depth four different Peter/Walter relationships now. How awesome is that?); just like when they introduced the Redverse characters, they have been utilized so well to recontextualize what we already know about our characters, and I've really grown attached to these as well. I'm invested in these characters too because they are our characters but having gone through very different experiences and I just really love seeing that play out onscreen. No other show has the balls to do something so out there and pull it off so incredibly well.
Okay, this has become a fangirly rant now so I'll calm down, but hopefully that quote from Joel can alleviate a little bit of frustration.
I would like to read some of these interviews because everything I'm reading from the producers is not saying that at all:
Quote from Joel Wyman: "Jeff and I were actually shocked that people would think for a second that we would have one of those sequences where, poof, the character is gone and everything that you knew about our characters and everything that you learned didn't really happen or is gone. We would be terribly frustrated if we came across that, being fans of television ourselves. So we would never in a million years do that. What we were really trying to do is have the audience really understand that all this stuff really did happen -- "I'm with Peter and I'm in his shoes; I want him to be able to experience what he's lost. I want to get back there and I want those relationships. I know that he belongs with Olivia. I want him back with Olivia -- I don't know how, but he's got to find his way back." That's what we had always intended, so we were a bit shocked when people thought, "They just erased a couple of years of character history." It's not true. That's not what our intention was, nor is it where we're going"
starinacasket referenced this quote and I think that this is the only quote that you need to read to understand that Peter's universe is out there somewhere.
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thanks looks good
ReplyDeleteMythalone! Looks compelling!
ReplyDeleteOooh! Looks good! Like the Inception vibe I'm getting from the promo!
ReplyDeleteoooh
ReplyDeleteOh man....
ReplyDeleteA kind of Case of the Week peppered with some mytharc. Works for me. I wanna know the deal with September and Olivia's fate!
ReplyDeleteThe problem is i don't care about Amber Olivia's fate. I care about Original Olivia and all of this would be much more satisfying to watch it was happening to the real characters. Why don't they resolved the amber storyline before telling these stories? This is getting very frustrating.
ReplyDeleteAh, but see you are working under the idea that this is a new universe(s). I am working under the theory that this is an altered timeline. That is OUR Olivia. The blue/red universes have merely been manipulated as a result of plucking Peter out of time. But they are indeed still the characters we've been following for years. Just what I think. :)
ReplyDeletereaction: ughhggaawaghhhhhuuu *shivers*
ReplyDeleteThey should tell us then, so we could invest in what is happening. This is not cool to the viewers.
ReplyDeleteI am invested. But my investment is taken on faith. So I understand your frustration.
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ReplyDeleteI agree, if they want us to see these charactars as our charactars then they need to tell us that, we like peter feel removed from them b/c we know that they are different then the ones we've known for three seasons. Making it harder to actually go with this amber version of them.
ReplyDeleteThe producers talk about this here: Check it out:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/20/fringe-producers-scoop-olivia-david-robert-jones_n_1219710.html?ref=tw
This episode is gonna be the definition of EPIC!
ReplyDeleteThis looks very good, I love the whole is the future written already plot.
ReplyDeleteUmm... fyi... September said that in every timeline and universe everything comes down to Olivia dying. So... you should be worried. And yes, this IS our Olivia. Just a bit different version of her.
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly what I think. The Observers said 'the timeline has been re-written', so in theory there is no home for Peter to go back to... this is his home, but it can be fixed or re-written again.i think. i hope, anyway
ReplyDeletethat's what i think too! and frankly after watching that last scene with peter and olivia (olivia thanking peter for saving her life etc) i have no doubts this theory is correct!
ReplyDeleteIt reminds me Roy McComb from "The Ghost Network" (ep. 1X03)... I hope they're not starting recycle past cases, and there is a meaning to all of this.
ReplyDeleteI think this is an altered timeline too and that this really is OUR Olivia. I think that's why they are having Peter and Olivia get closer (like with the scene at the end of this week's episode) and why the producers keep saying that Lincoln isn't going anywhere. I mean it stands to reason that considering Lincoln was only seen once in the Blue universe but he's not going anywhere from this point on, then the Amberverse is OUR universe just altered. The producers have even outright said this is a new timeline not new universe. And I think they haven't told us because if it turns out that they eventually remember Peter that moment will be even better after waiting for him to "get home" for so many episodes.
ReplyDeleteIt seems like I watched something like this in season 1?? (I watched it for 11times for now XD)
ReplyDeletegoood :D
ReplyDeleteIt looks amazing! Can't wait.
ReplyDeletewhy do i like this show so much that i long for it every 6 days of the week!
ReplyDeleteThe producers have said in countless interviews this entire season whenever they are interviewed that this is 'our' timeline it's just ALTERED because Peter never/should have never existed. I'm confused as to why no one is remembering that unless they don't read the producer interviews. Since before the season started they have been telling the viewers this.
ReplyDelete"Fringe remained at a 1.1 rating in 18-49's but did add audience....up tp 3,185,000 viewers. "
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So let's enjoy it right now! ;-)
ReplyDeleteThanks! Looks very good!
ReplyDeletelooks awesome!
ReplyDeletefringe is messing with my mind
ReplyDeleteIndeed there has been much talk of universes and timelines. They are different things.
ReplyDeleteAlso, what stood out for me in this last ep is that Alt-Astrid asked Peter of he was from a different "timeline." Not a different universe. I found that interesting.
YEAH BABY.... Bring it On!!!
ReplyDeleteTHNX for the share!
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That final scene looked like an Inception moment! I can't wait for next Friday!
ReplyDeleteYes and I agree to a point. We are along for the ride with Peter. However, the emotional punch for him (and theoretically for us) is going to be that much greater when we get confirmation that there is no 'original' timeline out there and that this IS his timeline.
ReplyDeleteOH NO
ReplyDeleteQuote from Joel Wyman: "Jeff and I were actually shocked that people would think for a second that we would have one of those sequences where, poof, the character is gone and everything that you knew about our characters and everything that you learned didn't really happen or is gone. We would be terribly frustrated if we came across that, being fans of television ourselves. So we would never in a million years do that. What we were really trying to do is have the audience really understand that all this stuff really did happen -- "I'm with Peter and I'm in his shoes; I want him to be able to experience what he's lost. I want to get back there and I want those relationships. I know that he belongs with Olivia. I want him back with Olivia -- I don't know how, but he's got to find his way back." That's what we had always intended, so we were a bit shocked when people thought, "They just erased a couple of years of character history." It's not true. That's not what our intention was, nor is it where we're going." -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/12/season-4-fringe-back-to-where-youve-never-been_n_1201422.html
Dealing with such a new story while we're worried about the show being canceled is certainly frustrating, but I have faith in this writing team that these characters' stories will pay off. I also just really love seeing how these characters interact together in comparison to our originals (We've examined in depth four different Peter/Walter relationships now. How awesome is that?); just like when they introduced the Redverse characters, they have been utilized so well to recontextualize what we already know about our characters, and I've really grown attached to these as well. I'm invested in these characters too because they are our characters but having gone through very different experiences and I just really love seeing that play out onscreen. No other show has the balls to do something so out there and pull it off so incredibly well.
Okay, this has become a fangirly rant now so I'll calm down, but hopefully that quote from Joel can alleviate a little bit of frustration.
Final Destination meets Inception! Can't wait!
ReplyDeleteI would like to read some of these interviews because everything I'm reading from the producers is not saying that at all:
ReplyDeleteQuote from Joel Wyman: "Jeff and I were actually shocked that people would think for a second
that we would have one of those sequences where, poof, the character is
gone and everything that you knew about our characters and everything
that you learned didn't really happen or is gone. We would be terribly
frustrated if we came across that, being fans of television ourselves.
So we would never in a million years do that. What we were really trying
to do is have the audience really understand that all this stuff really
did happen -- "I'm with Peter and I'm in his shoes; I want him to be
able to experience what he's lost. I want to get back there and I want
those relationships. I know that he belongs with Olivia. I want him back
with Olivia -- I don't know how, but he's got to find his way back."
That's what we had always intended, so we were a bit shocked when people
thought, "They just erased a couple of years of character history."
It's not true. That's not what our intention was, nor is it where we're going"
starinacasket referenced this quote and I think that this is the only quote that you need to read to understand that Peter's universe is out there somewhere.
cool. i like that they are going to use peter's peripheral knowledge to solve the cases and investigate the observers.
ReplyDeleteThanks! This season is definitely getting better and better
ReplyDeleteCant wait, esp after last episode's revelation!
ReplyDeletethis episode looks good
ReplyDeleteLooks like a good case.
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