"I really wasn’t that concerned, because if people guessed the twist, it really wasn’t the major arc of the season" Erm then why did they spend 9 episodes setting it up? *shakes head*
I'm glad Quinn sticks around, but I hope they redeem his character 'cause he was so pathetic this season, as opposed to the bad-ass he once was. Plus, he still owes Dex.
I'm sick of this comparisons to Lithgow. Yes, he was a great villain, but every big bad is different in his own way. I think Colin Hanks did an outstanding job this season, and deserves all the praises.
and Deb and Dex (Dexra?) is kinda weird. But mainly ironic, considering the actors' relationship.
Now the long, painful wait for September begins...
I think the twist was less 'Geller is dead' and more 'Travis was the religious-psycho all along', which was an awesome twist IMO. Once it was clear Geller was dead I suspected he might have a multiple personality disorder, but I wasn't prepared for this.
I still didn't that was a shocking twist though. Not that shows need to have twists and turns to be great I just thought this season fell flat in all the storylines apart from the Brother Sam stuff which I did enjoy.
I was surprised to read about how long the Dexter writers have been considering writing Deb's feelings for her brother into the show. I was sure that this was something they just came up with recently. Oh well. I'm willing to give the writers the benefit of the doubt on this particular plot point for now.
I sort of agree with you about Quinn. I think they should either redeem the character or get rid of him because the character is currently insufferable to watch.
Much less there was an entire interview segment about the twist after the episode on Showtime that basically said not even Colin Hanks knew about the twist. He's totally downplaying what other writers/producers made a big deal out of.
Yeah I read this last night somewhere else, and man I miss the old Showrunner. I mean yeah they dangled the "Deb finding out thing" in front of us for far too long, but at least they held the quasi-incestuous idea at bay.
"I don't really see an ick factor here" (my paraphrase).
Well then I must assume the Quasi-incest was your pearl of an idea then Scott Buck. Does this then say something about your own family dynamic?
Yeah it's a show about a ritualistic serial killer, but let's not forget he IS a semi-moralistic ritualistic serial killer, so Incest does not become him. Nor does it become Deb. Why is it that the only sane person on this show is the serial killer?
My honest to god hope is that the whole Deb LUVS Dex thing was only a plot device to get her to accept his killing ways easier. On the subject of Plot Devices...Why did they use soooooo many this season? Seems to me that when Mr Buck took over, the quality of writing went WAY WAY down. This entire season was predictable...That means I could have wrote it. Granted that maybe I'm just a good speculator, but I want shows to surprise me, especially the ones with serial killers as the main protagonist.
There was so much wrong with this past season that I can't really begin to get it all down here, nor do I feel like it at the moment.
But what I will say is this: Mr buck, please get a clue, please be honest with yourself and your audience. Give us some credit, most of us are intelligent enough to not have to be told what happened but shown. I cannot even begin to count all the campy moments this season had (beginning with the oh so obvious Geller twist that I saw coming since episode numero uno) . How many times did Dex say the obvious? How many times did I want to strangle the writers for what they did to the supporting characters? Someone remind me why the hot blonde intern was even there (besides the nice bent over ass shot she gave in that episode)? Oh yeah just to steal the ITK hand and end up selling it to Louis (who ended up right there and could have done it himself and saved time and cash), oh and so that Masuka could get him some I forgot. Don't get me started on "New Guy detective Suit Boy" I thought for a minute that we may just actually get another Doakes out of him, but he literally fell in love with Dex from the first, then just sorta sank back into the background extras after two episodes. Travis was the stupidest Big Bad thus far, and it was only Dex's Tampering with evidence/hindering an investigation, that kept Travis in business for as long as he was.
The only good thing to come out of this season was from the final three or so episodes which is namely Deb's self realization, (minus the brother lust) and her actually finally seeing Dex for who he really is, and the equally nice self realization of Dexter in that he has no apologies, and he is what he is. That being a good (in his mind) dad that just so happens to be a serial killer that dispatches killers and other such lowlifes.
The only thing that redeemed this entire season was the final scene. Even that left a bit to be desired.
Get your crap together "DEXTER" make these last 24 hour count for something cool.
I have to say that after reading this interview that I have serious concerns about the direction Dexter is go with Scott Buck. Really don't believe that Debra would be in love with Dexter! I just do not see it. Especially considering that the two leads involved are divorced....
I thought the sad thing about the "twist" with Gellar was that it left a lot of wasted potential for Travis (aka Colin Hanks). I was surprised that he could be an effective villain by the time he finally got to be one. That twist was outdated and would have been surprising maybe five years ago. But these things have been done so many times on other shows, on procedurals like Criminal Minds, and usually these shows are not the ones you should take your ideas from. Yes, the show is about Dexter, but a decent backstory doesn't hurt, in fact it's the mark of a good writer. Good character development does not necessarily make an exciting backstory and if you are going for that, you should focus on it and not waste time on unnecessary and outdated twists. The secret to good television imho is good character development plus good backstorys and secondary arcs. The one effective (since he was the only) true villain of this season was crippled by the fact that he wasn't a villain for a long time without being an otherwise exciting or ambiguous character. He was a weak character while "Gellar" was around. This plot was overly-complicated-done-badly. It would have been better if he would've been straight up bad. The Gellar character / Olmos was irrelevant by the time we got to the finale. The "old" Travis was irrelevant by the time we got to the finale.
In terms of writing, I hate things which prove irrelevant in the end (while we spent a lot of time watching them play out beforehand). It's like the Lumen storyline, which I never liked and still felt the worst possible outcome was when they made everything completely irrelevant in the last 10 minutes and basically erased an entire season.
It makes me wonder why I wasted my time watching developments which eventually led exactly nowhere. This season could have consisted of the last three or four episodes and would have had the same overall impact.
Yep. Exactly how I feel about this season. I totally agree with what you said about season 5 too. It is tragic when you spend 9 episodes getting people to come to terms with a character, or character(s) in this case, only to be "tricking" them the whole time. When all you're really accomplishing is a cheap thrill to the less narrative savvy, and at the same time making yourself look dumb in the eyes of those of us that are a little more quick on the draw. It is insulting to the audience period. It is lazy writing period. It is M. Night Shamalan (nuff said?).
As you mentioned; Travis became a non-character by the time it was time to finally get him. I knew Dex would get him, I knew none of what he had planned would happen. The only thing that surprised me was that they actually had me convinced for a minute that Travis was in fact fully competent and just acting brain washed (Ricochet Rabbit) but that just turned out to be unclear writing/acting/directing on the part of the show since we all know he was delusional to the very end.
I feel a little differently about Travis than you do. I feel like season six was meant be polar opposite to season 5, by no longer being hopeful, but doomful.
It remains to be seen, but I think the lack of the relationship with Travis, the breakdown of Dexter's Dark Passenger taking on the persona of Brian, the lack of Harry in the finale, and perhaps the intentions of Louis Greene all mean great changes our occurring.
It might mean that Dexter might not need his dark passenger anymore, because his dealing with Travis were empty, leaving him genuine to himself.
That's exactly why I do see it! --Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean I am posative it will work out, but Deb thinks Dex has been there for her, when he also has been the one put her in danger...not that it is all Dexter's fault, both their parent are to blame (which is why I think Harry is so crutual) --but I think because the leads did care for each other once, that there is chemisty there, but there is good reason they didn't work out...and it doesn't have to do with their personalities, as much a difference in one belief.
Hate to grasp at straws here, but he actually said there can't be light without darkness, which I took as Dex accepting his mantle of vigilant, ritualistic serial murderer.
I don't want Dex to ever stop killing. To me that would definitely ruin the show. But I also don't want Deb to just let him keep doing it because she has goo-goo eyes for him. I want her to see that he could have gone the route of Brian so easily, and that if it weren't for the guidance of Harry that she so desperately resents, then he most certainly would have taken that route. I want Deb to try to get Dex to stop, but for himself and for Harrison, not for legal reasons, well at least not until she is inevitably forced to pursue him which I think might happen, or perhaps she won't, but at some point she'll get killed along the way and so his cover will get busted wide open. Perhaps that is the plan with Louis after-all (by the way I think Louis might just be a half brother of Dex, and Brian, same father different mother begging the question of Nature versus nurture.)
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"I really wasn’t that concerned, because if people guessed the twist, it really wasn’t the major arc of the season"
ReplyDeleteErm then why did they spend 9 episodes setting it up? *shakes head*
I'm glad Quinn sticks around, but I hope they redeem his character 'cause he was so pathetic this season, as opposed to the bad-ass he once was. Plus, he still owes Dex.
ReplyDeleteI'm sick of this comparisons to Lithgow. Yes, he was a great villain, but every big bad is different in his own way. I think Colin Hanks did an outstanding job this season, and deserves all the praises.
and Deb and Dex (Dexra?) is kinda weird. But mainly ironic, considering the actors' relationship.
Now the long, painful wait for September begins...
I think the twist was less 'Geller is dead' and more 'Travis was the religious-psycho all along', which was an awesome twist IMO. Once it was clear Geller was dead I suspected he might have a multiple personality disorder, but I wasn't prepared for this.
ReplyDeleteI still didn't that was a shocking twist though. Not that shows need to have twists and turns to be great I just thought this season fell flat in all the storylines apart from the Brother Sam stuff which I did enjoy.
ReplyDeleteI was surprised to read about how long the Dexter writers have been considering writing Deb's feelings for her brother into the show. I was sure that this was something they just came up with recently. Oh well. I'm willing to give the writers the benefit of the doubt on this particular plot point for now.
ReplyDeleteI sort of agree with you about Quinn. I think they should either redeem the character or get rid of him because the character is currently insufferable to watch.
ReplyDeleteMuch less there was an entire interview segment about the twist after the episode on Showtime that basically said not even Colin Hanks knew about the twist. He's totally downplaying what other writers/producers made a big deal out of.
ReplyDeleteAnd I don't like the gist of this interview.
Yeah I read this last night somewhere else, and man I miss the old Showrunner. I mean yeah they dangled the "Deb finding out thing" in front of us for far too long, but at least they held the quasi-incestuous idea at bay.
ReplyDelete"I don't really see an ick factor here" (my paraphrase).
Well then I must assume the Quasi-incest was your pearl of an idea then Scott Buck. Does this then say something about your own family dynamic?
Yeah it's a show about a ritualistic serial killer, but let's not forget he IS a semi-moralistic ritualistic serial killer, so Incest does not become him. Nor does it become Deb. Why is it that the only sane person on this show is the serial killer?
My honest to god hope is that the whole Deb LUVS Dex thing was only a plot device to get her to accept his killing ways easier. On the subject of Plot Devices...Why did they use soooooo many this season? Seems to me that when Mr Buck took over, the quality of writing went WAY WAY down. This entire season was predictable...That means I could have wrote it. Granted that maybe I'm just a good speculator, but I want shows to surprise me, especially the ones with serial killers as the main protagonist.
There was so much wrong with this past season that I can't really begin to get it all down here, nor do I feel like it at the moment.
But what I will say is this:
Mr buck, please get a clue, please be honest with yourself and your audience. Give us some credit, most of us are intelligent enough to not have to be told what happened but shown. I cannot even begin to count all the campy moments this season had (beginning with the oh so obvious Geller twist that I saw coming since episode numero uno) . How many times did Dex say the obvious? How many times did I want to strangle the writers for what they did to the supporting characters? Someone remind me why the hot blonde intern was even there (besides the nice bent over ass shot she gave in that episode)? Oh yeah just to steal the ITK hand and end up selling it to Louis (who ended up right there and could have done it himself and saved time and cash), oh and so that Masuka could get him some I forgot. Don't get me started on "New Guy detective Suit Boy" I thought for a minute that we may just actually get another Doakes out of him, but he literally fell in love with Dex from the first, then just sorta sank back into the background extras after two episodes. Travis was the stupidest Big Bad thus far, and it was only Dex's Tampering with evidence/hindering an investigation, that kept Travis in business for as long as he was.
The only good thing to come out of this season was from the final three or so episodes which is namely Deb's self realization, (minus the brother lust) and her actually finally seeing Dex for who he really is, and the equally nice self realization of Dexter in that he has no apologies, and he is what he is. That being a good (in his mind) dad that just so happens to be a serial killer that dispatches killers and other such lowlifes.
The only thing that redeemed this entire season was the final scene. Even that left a bit to be desired.
Get your crap together "DEXTER" make these last 24 hour count for something cool.
Agreed on all fronts.
ReplyDeleteWell stated.
ReplyDeleteThanks!
ReplyDeleteCo-signed
ReplyDeleteTotally agree Ricky!
ReplyDeleteI have to say that after reading this interview that I have serious concerns about the direction Dexter is go with Scott Buck. Really don't believe that Debra would be in love with Dexter! I just do not see it. Especially considering that the two leads involved are divorced....
ReplyDeleteI thought the sad thing about the "twist" with Gellar was that it left a lot of wasted potential for Travis (aka Colin Hanks). I was surprised that he could be an effective villain by the time he finally got to be one.
ReplyDeleteThat twist was outdated and would have been surprising maybe five years ago. But these things have been done so many times on other shows, on procedurals like Criminal Minds, and usually these shows are not the ones you should take your ideas from.
Yes, the show is about Dexter, but a decent backstory doesn't hurt, in fact it's the mark of a good writer. Good character development does not necessarily make an exciting backstory and if you are going for that, you should focus on it and not waste time on unnecessary and outdated twists.
The secret to good television imho is good character development plus good backstorys and secondary arcs.
The one effective (since he was the only) true villain of this season was crippled by the fact that he wasn't a villain for a long time without being an otherwise exciting or ambiguous character. He was a weak character while "Gellar" was around. This plot was overly-complicated-done-badly. It would have been better if he would've been straight up bad. The Gellar character / Olmos was irrelevant by the time we got to the finale. The "old" Travis was irrelevant by the time we got to the finale.
In terms of writing, I hate things which prove irrelevant in the end (while we spent a lot of time watching them play out beforehand). It's like the Lumen storyline, which I never liked and still felt the worst possible outcome was when they made everything completely irrelevant in the last 10 minutes and basically erased an entire season.
It makes me wonder why I wasted my time watching developments which eventually led exactly nowhere. This season could have consisted of the last three or four episodes and would have had the same overall impact.
Yep. Exactly how I feel about this season. I totally agree with what you said about season 5 too. It is tragic when you spend 9 episodes getting people to come to terms with a character, or character(s) in this case, only to be "tricking" them the whole time. When all you're really accomplishing is a cheap thrill to the less narrative savvy, and at the same time making yourself look dumb in the eyes of those of us that are a little more quick on the draw. It is insulting to the audience period. It is lazy writing period. It is M. Night Shamalan (nuff said?).
ReplyDeleteAs you mentioned; Travis became a non-character by the time it was time to finally get him. I knew Dex would get him, I knew none of what he had planned would happen. The only thing that surprised me was that they actually had me convinced for a minute that Travis was in fact fully competent and just acting brain washed (Ricochet Rabbit) but that just turned out to be unclear writing/acting/directing on the part of the show since we all know he was delusional to the very end.
Oh the Irony!
ReplyDeleteI can see it now;
Director: Alright in this scene we need Dex and Deb to make out and do some heavy petting...
Michael C Hall : Uh no...been there, done that, dropped it like it's hot.
Jennifer Carpenter: Uh yeah...ain't gonna happen. He had his chance.
Director: Argh! Sibling rivalry...
Dexter has been renewed for 2 more years, so it's safe to assume Deb will at least kind of accept Dexter as a killer.
ReplyDeleteOr they kill her off :-)
ReplyDeleteNo smiling about that! Deb is the only secondary character on this show that doesn't beg to be murdered brutally with every word she says.
ReplyDeleteIf they kill Debra I'm gone....
ReplyDeleteI feel a little differently about Travis than you do. I feel like season six was meant be polar opposite to season 5, by no longer being hopeful, but doomful.
ReplyDeleteIt remains to be seen, but I think the lack of the relationship with Travis, the breakdown of Dexter's Dark Passenger taking on the persona of Brian, the lack of Harry in the finale, and perhaps the intentions of Louis Greene all mean great changes our occurring.
It might mean that Dexter might not need his dark passenger anymore, because his dealing with Travis were empty, leaving him genuine to himself.
That's exactly why I do see it! --Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean I am posative it will work out, but Deb thinks Dex has been there for her, when he also has been the one put her in danger...not that it is all Dexter's fault, both their parent are to blame (which is why I think Harry is so crutual) --but I think because the leads did care for each other once, that there is chemisty there, but there is good reason they didn't work out...and it doesn't have to do with their personalities, as much a difference in one belief.
ReplyDeleteHate to grasp at straws here, but he actually said there can't be light without darkness, which I took as Dex accepting his mantle of vigilant, ritualistic serial murderer.
ReplyDeleteI don't want Dex to ever stop killing. To me that would definitely ruin the show. But I also don't want Deb to just let him keep doing it because she has goo-goo eyes for him. I want her to see that he could have gone the route of Brian so easily, and that if it weren't for the guidance of Harry that she so desperately resents, then he most certainly would have taken that route. I want Deb to try to get Dex to stop, but for himself and for Harrison, not for legal reasons, well at least not until she is inevitably forced to pursue him which I think might happen, or perhaps she won't, but at some point she'll get killed along the way and so his cover will get busted wide open. Perhaps that is the plan with Louis after-all (by the way I think Louis might just be a half brother of Dex, and Brian, same father different mother begging the question of Nature versus nurture.)
Me too.
ReplyDeletethat can't get ride deb that would suck
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