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Supernatural - Episode 7.10 - Death's Door - CHCH Promo

30 Nov 2011

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109 comments:

  1. Justine Kubica30 November 2011 at 23:23

    I agree with Dean. SAVE HIM!
    And oh, he's holding Bobby's hand... It's gonna be so sad...

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  2. klutzy_girl30 November 2011 at 23:24

    Aww, poor boys! I so can't wait for Friday's episode!

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  3. Pigeon66630 November 2011 at 23:32

    That wound looks very bad. I hold out hope though...

    On another note, are the Levis in this episode?

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  4. geordiegirl19671 December 2011 at 00:03

    Somebody is holding Bobby's hand - presumably Dean or Sam. Aww! This is going to be an angst fest. Can't believe Bobby will die, but I am expecting much heartbreak en route to recovery. Can't wait for Friday.

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  5. Bruce_F1 December 2011 at 00:19

    Bobby has officially been through enough.

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  6. neon_ruby1 December 2011 at 00:47

    Bobby can't die!

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  7. CyanaT1 December 2011 at 01:13

    Thanks, Emmy! Is Sam praying? GG1967 - it's more likely that Dean is holding Bobby's hand while Sam is either standing still or praying. I *still will be shocked* if Bobby dies (permanently). 

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  8. CyanaT1 December 2011 at 01:17

    If IMDB is to be believed, the cast for 7.10 includes James Patrick Stuart as Richard "Dick" Roman, the Levi Boss. 

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  9. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 01:18

    Looks like Sam's hand to me. I'd recognize Jared's gorgeous hands anywhere. I LOVE his hands.

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  10. CyanaT1 December 2011 at 01:27

    It would be great - but very sad -  if it was Sam's hand ... I can't tell. Sam has had very few scenes where he openly shows he cares deeply about Bobby. I hope that Bobby pulls through. 

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  11. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 01:30

     One that really comes to mind is Sam dropping to his knees in front of Bobby and clutching his face in his hand after ripping the duct tape off his face.

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  12. geordiegirl19671 December 2011 at 01:34

    I hope you are right SWG. I get a bit sick of the implication that you sometimes get from the show, but also from some fans, that Bobby loves Dean loads more than Sam and that Sam and Bobby aren't that close. I don't believe that but I'd like it to be clarified on the show so I really hope that is Sam holding Bobby's hand. It is likely as Sam is the more physically affectionate of the two I'd say.

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  13. geordiegirl19671 December 2011 at 01:35

    Or those two moments could be 10 mins apart in the ep. It is so hard to tell with these fast edited promos.

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  14. Kat1 December 2011 at 01:45

    I'm wondering who Dean is demanding "Save him!" to? Bobby's not going to die, maybe be in a coma for a while but not die. I mean he is the only one besides the Leviathans that know their plans for world domination ;)

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  15. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 01:47

    Yes, those were my thoughts exactly. Sam does love Bobby. He loves him unconditionally. I think Bobby loves Sam too, the writers just fail to show it with Sam as much as they do Dean. Sam is also much more physically affectionate. Also, the hand just looks bigger and we know Jared has really HUGE hands and the jacket sleeve looks green like the jacket Sam is wearing in the promo

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  16. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 02:00

    Well, that was supposed to be sent to you, not just a post on it's own... weird...
    Yes, those were my thoughts exactly. Sam does love Bobby. He loves him
    unconditionally. I think Bobby loves Sam too, the writers just fail to
    show it with Sam as much as they do Dean. Sam is also much more
    physically affectionate. Also, the hand just looks bigger and we know
    Jared has really HUGE hands and the jacket sleeve looks green like the
    jacket Sam is wearing in the promo.

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  17. Mekina1 December 2011 at 03:09

    Oh, boys! D: Is Sam praying? or maybe just hoping desperately...and one of them's holding his hand?! I wonder who. I hope it's Sam. He doesn't get enough moments to show that he loves Bobby. We know he does, but it seems to me the show pays more attention to the relationship between Bobby and Dean...and maybe they're closer, but of course Sam loves him very much as well!

    This is looking good. I can't wait. Poor boys!

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  18. Mekina1 December 2011 at 03:13

    I hope it's Sam. He and Bobby haven't had enough moments. (One reason I liked their little talk last episode.) We know he cares about Bobby, but we aren't *shown* it very much, like we are with Bobby and Dean. (I think Dean is closer to Bobby, just like he was closer to John, but there's no doubt Sam loves Bobby.)

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  19. magnutude1 December 2011 at 03:14

    Gonna be good

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  20. jensenfan19781 December 2011 at 03:37

    Dean yelling save him was the saddest thing I've ever heard, because he is so angry at everything.  Dean can not afford to lose anything else at this time.  He really can't.

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  21. Dahne1 December 2011 at 03:50

    Glad the Leviathans are in this midseason finale.  It would seem weird without them, but I really hope that Bobby doesn't stay alive by becoming one of them.  Are there still Leviathans in Purgatory and if so, are they ticked at the ones that escaped?

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  22. Dahne1 December 2011 at 03:55

    I'd say he had officially been through enough when the Leviathans blow up his house.  But this is Supernatural so gun shot to the head it is.  Bobby has definitely been through enough but I have not had enough Bobby.  Sorry Bobby, but you can't die on me.  Like Dean and Sam, I'm not sure I can take anymore devastation.

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  23. Dahne1 December 2011 at 03:59

    Yet another good reason for the Leviathans to take him over instead of taking the chance he would recover or the Winchesters would find a way to bring him back.  I'm grasping at straws here but Bobby doesn't die in my world and there's no angel intervention there either.  

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  24. Dahne1 December 2011 at 04:01

    I don't think fans could take another Winchester spiral into utter desolation either.  Bobby has to live for the sheer fact that the Winchesters can't always lose.  They have to have some wins or else the show gets too depressing.  My bet is on Bobby.

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  25. jillyanne1 December 2011 at 04:41

    Bobby lives. 
    He might be a little the worse for wear, but he lives. 
    Right, show? RIGHT???
    ANSWER ME DAMMIT!!!!

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  26. isleofskye1 December 2011 at 07:31

    Oh no, poor Bobby.
    It's just not fair.
    Poor Winchesters

    Although I wouldn't put it past these sadistic writers to kill Bobby, for me it would be terrible.

    He's all they have left in the way of family and every one needs some kind of anchor, even Sam and Dean........ especially Sam and Dean.

    I think Sam loves him every bit as much as Dean although the writers have mistakenly, in my opinion , told us that Bobby likes Dean better.
    I feel that they should never have said it, because Dean is aware of that while Sam isn't and I don't think it's nice.
    Both boys have made it very clear that they would die for Bobby and he has put his life on the line for both of them many times.

    What I am more curious about is his trip with Rufus, I mean what state is heaven in now? Is he in heaven or is it just an out of body experience?

    Not long to wait now :-)

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  27. Julia Eason1 December 2011 at 09:24

    I really don't think they are about to kill Bobby, so I expect him to be saved.  

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  28. ScottA1 December 2011 at 10:01

    Nice call on Bobby becoming a Leviathan.  That never crossed my mind. Sounds  VERY interesting.

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  29. ScottA1 December 2011 at 10:11

    They don't always lose.  It just seems that way.  Azazel, Alastair, The Apocalypse, Lillith, Eve, three of the Horsemen, Lucifer and Michael in the cage are some big wins but they came at a price.

    I'm kind of starting to look at it as being close to the end of the series.  I think it will get renewed for next season but that may be it.  They're going to have to plan to start wrapping it up at some point.

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  30. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 10:26

    Hi! first post here, I'm new :) but I love this site and this show so much that I could not post something in the moment of need... and this is one freacking moment of need indeed! Bobby can't die :( he won't, ok? he won't... got it, writers? don't be naughty please, we need our paranoid bastard! you took john away, you took ellen, jo, ash, rufus, balthazar, gabriel, CASTIEL away, but not bobby. bobby will STAY.
    just something I wanted to say about Bobby/Sam e Bobby/Dean: I agree that the writers have shown bobby and dean's relationship more than bobby and sam's, but I personally have no problem with it. And of course sam loves bobby as a father and bobby loves sam as his own son, and they would die for each other in a heartbeat, but when bobby told dean he likes him just a bit more in 6.06, I felt it was right. the reason of this statement? one simple name: john.
    I mean, I love john, I actually want him back sooo badly! But let's be honest, he was not the father of the year. and I think bobby's more protective over dean ( thus more focused on showing his love for him) because he knows how dean deep down felt unloved by john, how he thought he was just his loyal soldier, nothing more (or not so much more). dean's low self-esteem depends 50% on it, and bobby feels like he has to be the caring and loving father dean never had (or bobby thinks dean never had), the one who shows his love and his feelings and his worries. and that statement in 6.06 was not an attempt of bashing sam, but its purpose was to show the different dynamic of bobby/dean compared to john/dean: dean took care of john and took care of sam, but now there's bobby to look after him. I think bobby loves sam and dean equally, but his attention is a little more focused on dean because of dean's attitude of "I'm-just-a-soldier-I'm-not-wothy-anything-more", whereas sam is more independent and more aware of his worth. let's face it, surely john loved dean as he loved sam (and no, I don't think john and dean were closer, quite the contrary), but he showed more concern towards sam. so bobby, now, is compensating.
    and that's why bobby can't die: dean survived john's death, but won't survive bobby's. and even if he still worships john, I think he's found in bobby the father figure he remembers from his memories of a 4-year-old boy, and I fermly believe bobby would take some time to play football with him if only dean were still a child. 
    and, back to sam/bobby, sam can't survive bobby's death either, because he's found in bobby the father figure who listens to him and accepts his choices, instead of arguing half the time.

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  31. isleofskye1 December 2011 at 10:58

    I think that Bobby loves them both equally and his "preference" for Dean stems simply from the characterial differences between the brothers.

    Dean being four years older had more time to interact with Bobby, as a boy and teen, and get  to know him better,  whereas Sam was  more of a studious type, always with his head in a book or doing his homework from school.

    Then Sam hated the world of hunting and probably didn't like discussing it much, even with Bobby, while Dean wanted to know everything.

    Now, however, I don't think any of that counts any more,  as BobbyI'm sure loves them both without ant kind of distinction.

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  32. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 11:41

    yes, there's also the characterial differences between the brothers, of course :) and I agree about bobby's equal love for sam and dean... in fact, I have never had any doubts about it even if bobby and sam's relationship may be shown a little less. but it's this tendency of letting us watch more bobby/dean scenes that makes me think the writers choose to show them for a purpose, and I find that purpose in creating a comparison with the (alas, few) scenes with john: the "yes, sir" is replaced by the "hey, I need you to live". I believe, as many others, that we should get more sam/bobby scenes, but I just don't find them as necessary for sam's character portrait (not for sam, who needs bobby as much as dean does, but for his portrait) as the bobby/dean scenes are for dean's character portait, which is heavily based on a low self-esteem, an unhealthy feeling of being unworthy of love and appreciation, and an obsessive inclination of taking all the responsability and the guilt on his shoulders (and all these things are highlighted when dean interacts with bobby). And Bobby's love is equal, but maybe (and it's a big maybe, because I'm often wrong about characters' and dynamics' interpretations xD ) he's driven to show his love for dean more because he thinks dean's the one who can doubt it, whereas sam has already aknowledged it... (as a matter of fact, when sam could doubt bobby support in 5.01, bobby openly expressed his love for the boy).
    I hope this post was understandable, English is not my first language :P

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  33. pinkphoenix19851 December 2011 at 12:45

    Looks like a suspenseful episode. I think that Bobby will make it BUT we'll probably know more about his recovery in January.  They need someone to provide angst since the boys are together

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  34. isleofskye1 December 2011 at 12:45

    I understand what you are trying to say, and if the writers have  shown and emphasised Dean and Bobby's scenes more than Sam / Bobby's they have probably done it for a reason.

    Dean does have a low opinion of himself, he thinks he is unworthy and has only ever messed things up, but he is the only one who thinks so, as both Sam and Bobby admire and respect him, and his enemies fear him.

    Too much was put on his shoulders by John, too much responsability and Bobby knows this;  maybe that's why he tries to give him extra encouragement and attention.

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  35. chris6841 December 2011 at 12:47

    I think the whole Bobby/Sam/Dean relationship boils down to the fact that Dean has had a much greater need for a father figure over the last five seasons than Sam has had. While Bobby was in their lives a little as children, they didn't become as close and start hunting together until season 2.  At that time, Dean - who had always worshiped John - was becoming very angry at his father, and then in season 3 he started questioning the link between John and his self-esteem issues that had caused him to sell his soul.  Dean's daddy issues came to a head during those seasons, and Bobby was there as a contrast to John and gave Dean the support he needed.  On the other hand, Sam had lots of daddy issues growing up but the anger toward John faded after John died.  After YED killed Jessica, Sam began to feel he had more in common in with John, and his understanding of John's actions grew as Sam began to understand more about the YED/Lucifer plot.  That doesn't mean that Sam doesn't care about Bobby.  I just don't think he really sees him as a father the way Dean does.  I also think Bobby and Dean have a little more in common in their personalities, the say Sam and John did.

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  36. tvmonkey1 December 2011 at 13:08

    Bobby is not going to die. This whole storyline is just a plot device for Dean to get his head out of his ass and give him a rason to fight again. Given that he appears to have his mojo back in episode 13 it seems to me this is the beginning of the end for Dean's emo arc.

    Other than the Leviathan's/mythology everything this season has been a plot device to Dean's story

    Cas dying
    Bobby almost dying
    Sam's hellucinations
    the Amy plot

    They have all been shown in terms how they affect Dean or move his story along albeit very slowly and sometimes innefectually.

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  37. tvmonkey1 December 2011 at 13:27

    Sam arguably needed a mother figure more than Dean but Ellen was always portryaed as being close to Dean.

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  38. tvmonkey1 December 2011 at 13:32

    Sam loves Bobby that has never been in doubt neither has Bobby's love for Sam, its just that everyone likes/loves Dean more. Sam doesnt seem all that bothered that he doesnt have people in his life, he's kind of a lone wolf. Doesnt really form relationships with others, doesnt really interact with others outside of the hunt.

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  39. chris6841 December 2011 at 13:37

    I'd like to see that change.  When the series started, Sam was the one with the personal relationships and Dean was only about being a hunter.  Sam started pulling away from everyone as a reaction to Jess dying.  Now that Sam has put away Lucifer and there are no demons killing everyone he gets close to, maybe he'll start to try to establish some bonds with people again.

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  40. chris6841 December 2011 at 13:45

    I'm not so convinced about the part about Bobby not dying for a few reasons.  First is to really have an impact that lasts more than a couple of episodes, the death needs to be real.  Second, with all of Bobby's screentime this season, his hint of the possibility of happiness with Sheriff Mills (we all know happiness never happens on SPN), and finally with his goodbye heart-to-heart chats with both Sam and Dean in this last episode, it really feels like they're trying to give Bobby a good sendoff.  It seems like an awful lot of overkill if all they plan is a scare.

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  41. keithfan1 December 2011 at 14:14

    I love Bobby and I sure hope he does not leave us or the boys! I guess we are not getting a sneak peek for tomorrow night and the suspense is just killing me. Cannot wait for tomorrow night to get here!

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  42. tvmonkey1 December 2011 at 14:35

    true but I just cant see it happening, for one thing I think it would tip Dean over the edge yet in episode 13 we know he has a hook up and given how difficult its been for him to go there this season it sounds like Dean may have overcome his depression to some degree and gottten hi mojo back. Not soemthing I see him doing if the man he sees as his father is dead and not after claiming he would kill himself and his brother if said father figure was dead.

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  43. tvmonkey1 December 2011 at 14:40

    that would be nice but I stand by my opinion that the show doesnt care about Sam's feelings or having him form relationships with others. Sam's hook-ups have become a punch line, even Dean mentioned the fact that Sam's hook-ups have a short expirery date.

    Amy was the perfect opertunity for Sam to form a relationship, make a friend that he could call on when he needed to but no the show decided that Sam isnt allowed to have friends that arent monsters and or ones that survive past an episode.

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  44. chris6841 December 2011 at 14:40

    I don't know.  People don't usually grieve long in this show.  For characters like Ellen or Madison, everything was pretty much back to normal by the next episode.  For characters like John and Cas, they get one grieving scene and a few mentions throughout the rest of the season.  And a hookup doesn't mean Dean is feeling upbeat.

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  45. tvmonkey1 December 2011 at 14:44

    Dean and Bobby do have the whole bitter and boozy with daddy issues to boot thing in common.

    Personally I love watching Sam and Bobby together especially in episode 9 where they reaserched together, did an autopsy, showed their hunter brain prowess.

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  46. tvmonkey1 December 2011 at 14:46

    Dean remembers what its like to have a mum and dad Sam doesnt. You cant miss something you never had-hence the reason Sam doesnt view family in the same way as Dean?

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  47. isleofskye1 December 2011 at 14:57

    I think that Sam and Bobby have a lot in common.

    They are both great researchers, both have a love of languages and are interested in the mythologies.

    They are scholars as well as men of action and while I believe that Dean is every bit as intelligent as Sam, he chooses to put most of his energies  into the action part.
    I would say that both boys have daddy issues just taken from different aspects.

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  48. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 15:29

    I don't think everyone likes dean better - in fact, I suspect deep down YED was right about John loving sam a little more. surely he was closer to his youngest son, even when arguing.
    castiel and dean's friendship grew up in a time when sam and dean were slowly drifting away from each other. I've always seen castiel, at least at the beginning, as a compensation of sam's progressive "absence" in dean's life (even if things and dynamics have changed later), so his bond with dean was stronger for the purpose of emphasize the breach between sam and dean (and dean's progressive "absence" in sam's life was compensated by ruby).as far as the other occasional people are concerned, I agree about the change of roles between the brothers: sam has become more a lone wolf, whereas dean tries to connect more. but that's made to mirror their own changes: sam has learnt to accept his life as a hunter and does not hope for a normal life anymore; dean, on the other hand, can't help wishing another life without monsters and blood, so his interaction with people seems to me as a desperate try to lighten and "humanize" their job... But I agree that sam should connect more, it was one of his best features after all, and he was really good at it! ;))

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  49. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 15:30

    I could not say it better than you did :))

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  50. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 15:33

    I think ellen was close to them equally, she was just more open with dean because of sam's introvert attitude at the time (season 2 with all the psychics plot problems, and season 5 with all the lucifer-vessel stuff).

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  51. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 15:34

    I totally agree :))

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  52. sharonally1 December 2011 at 15:39

    I  disagree Sam and Ellen were forming quite a bond in season 2. The way she called him sweetie was endearing. Sam needs people he doesnt live in a vacum , he needs are the same has Deans or anybody elses. It is the writers attitudes that make the difference where the boys are concerned.

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  53. chris6841 December 2011 at 15:50

    I think things were more balanced in the first three seasons, but it started shifting after that - to an absurd point in season 6 when no one would even talk to Sam if Dean was there.  Even Samuel and Gwen, who had spent a year hunting with RoboSam, seemed only interested in speaking with Dean.

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  54. chris6841 December 2011 at 15:56

    I didn't get the feeling that season 2 Ellen had a preference, but I was a little put off by the scene in Abandon All Hope, when Dean, Bobby and Sam were burning the group photo after Ellen and Jo died, and the camera zoomed in close on Ellen, Dean and Jo.  Sam was cut right out of the photo by the director.  It was if to say Ellen and Jo were Dean's, and only Dean's, loss.

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  55. chris6841 December 2011 at 16:02

    I mostly agree, but in fairness I think Dean's hookups are a punchline too.

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  56. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 16:27

    But humans can't become Leviathans. The Leviathans take on the form of a human and normally eat the one they took the form of. So, I can't see how Bobby would "become" a Leviathan when nothing like that has happened in the show yet.

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  57. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 16:28

    How can he? Humans don't become Leviathans. The Leviathans take on the form of the human and eat them either before or after.

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  58. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 16:33

    I'm sorry, but I still don't see how Sam and John has all this stuff in common. The only thing I saw was that Mary died and Jessica died and that's about it. Sam never had a great relationship with his father, and I never saw any given indication that John "doted" upon Sam because if that were true, Sam would never have been forced to hunt, forced to do something he didn't want to do, and therefore never would've ran off to college. To this day, none of this John and Sam stuff makes absolutely any sense to me whatsoever.

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  59. chris6841 December 2011 at 16:35

    Not so sure about this.  First, I think they spent most of their time with their father, not Bobby, growing up.  There were occasional visits, but they all weren't that close in season 1.  Before their season 1 visit, they had never seen Bobby's library and didn't even know about a devil's trap.  Also, Sam obviously had learned a lot about monster mythology growing up, so I think he would have been the more likely one to pick Bobby's brains about monsters.

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  60. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 16:36

    Sam's introvert attitude? I'm sorry, but what?? Sam and Ellen had gotten pretty close in S2, and then they bring her back in S4 and she's hugging all over Dean. Doesn't exactly make a whole lot of sense to me, but then again, I suppose it should considering Dean gets to bond with all of the side characters or Sam gets them taken away so they can dote upon poor, troubled Dean and all his issues.

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  61. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 16:40

    I wouldn't think that anybody liked Dean better if Bobby hadn't flat out blatantly stated it in You Can't Handle the Truth.

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  62. chris6841 December 2011 at 16:50

    I don't think John "doted" on Sam, but I think there was something behind Dean's comment when he said he realized the reason Sam and John always butted heads was because they were just like each other.  There's a quality that John has - call it stubbornness, determination, or something else - that Sam also shares.  I also think John was extra protective of Sam because he suspected YED was going after Sam when Mary died.

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  63. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 17:02

    well, I agree that statement was a bold step for the writers to make, but I don't see it as a way to belittle bobby and sam's relationship. at the end of the day bobby loves them equally, even if perhaps he has more interaction with dean. and about every other relationship for the brothers, well, I don't see dean interac with others as much as some of you say he does - in fact, when he made a connection with the chick in the mentalists, I was quite surprised. truth is, both boys aren't having so much interaction with other people since the apocalypse...

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  64. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 17:13

    perhaps because dean was the new one xD ok, jokes aside, I see your point... I think it's due to the fact that since season 4/5 dean has become the one who shares with us his point of view, whereas sam has become the one we're focused on plot-wise... I mean, dean has become the heart and sam has become the motive power: we have no supernatural plot without sam, but a large part of the feelings stuff is based on dean. So, in my opinion (but I can perfectly see your disappointment) the story is balanced anyway, even if it's a different balance than the dynamics in season 1-2-3 :)

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  65. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 17:22

    I see ellen and sam were close in season 2 too, but I think ellen related a lot with dean's attitude of being his brother's "guardian" (I don't know how to say it better, sorry! :P ) because of her problems with jo. both jo and sam have run away once or twice, so I believe she saw dean as someone who was sometimes in her same position, someone she could give advice. introvert may be not the rigt adjective, perhaps independent is better :) 

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  66. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 17:25

    If Sam has become the one we're focused on plot-wise, then where is it this season? Because I certainly don't see it. In fact, I haven't seen ANYTHING for Sam since episode 2 of this season and that was the end of that minus the every once in awhile hand rub. The Leviathans aren't a part of Sam and Dean's dragged out issues aren't a part of Sam or his story either. The way Sam has been treated as a character since S4 makes me sick.

    The only thing they've done is turn him into a prop for Dean and his story, and pretty wallpaper with a dialogue quota in every episode. We're lucky if we EVER get to see what's really going on inside of him and this season has disappointed me intensely in terms of Sam and his characterization, story and his own emotional journey. He deserves them just as much if not MORE than Dean this season considering he spent nearly two centuries in Hell, but of course  not. A quick fix for Sammy is what the writers always go for, right?

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  67. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 17:25

    I did not say they hadn't a bond, quite the contrary :) and sam does need people in his life, but all his problems with "being a freak" (meaning he sees himself as a freak, it's not my opinion! I don't think he's a freak at all) pushed him away from people. perhaps he will bond more frequently now that he has come to terms with himself :)

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  68. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 17:29

    uhm, I don't think that zooming was made for that reason... Ellen and Jo were both at dean's side, one left and the other right, so they needed to include dean in the screenshot to let us see jo and ellen together. dean's presence was unevitable with him being between them, but it could also be sam, that didn't matter: jo and ellen were the ones the zooming focused on...

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  69. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 17:46

    I disagree. sam saved the world in season 5, sam was soulles in the first half of season 6 and sam fought against his three-parts soul at the end of that same season. sure, season 7 has begun with a plot which is heavy on dean's problems (which have been there, ready to be faced, since season 4 by the way), but we're just at episode 10 and I suspect sam's mind isn't as well-adjusted as he wants us to believe... his part in the plot will surely come. and about his characterization, I think it's well done, even if the emotional stuff is less than dean's, and even the writers often let us see sam by dean's point of view. That's been the balance of supernatural for a few seasons by now: sam's the plot, dean's the eyes. I could complain about the lack of dean's supernatural plot (I didn't mind some "mental-wall" stuff for his hell too, or some psychic powers, or whatever supernatural the writers could give him) but I don't because one brother has got the emotional stuff , and the other has got the supernatural stuff. There's a lack of something for both, but both have something the other has not...

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  70. chris6841 December 2011 at 17:56

    I think in a fictional production like this, it's all intentional.  Sam was right behind Ellen and they didn't need to cut him out.  Or they could have positioned Ellen and Jo next to each other when they were taking the picture.  The camera focuses on Dean looking at the picture of Ellen, Dean, and Jo, which gradually shrinks to Dean and Jo, and then mostly Jo.  The scene is about Dean's loss.

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  71. isleofskye1 December 2011 at 18:00

    I don't know if I can agree with you here.

     If you had said this in the early seasons I would probably have agreed with you but from season four onwards Bobby has been very present in the boys' life and even in the latest episode he tells us that he gave the boys hunting lessons etc., so I think the writers are wanting us to believe  that Bobby was very present in Sam and Dean's early life.

    Then even if they had spent less time with Bobby, the fact that Dean is four years older automatically gives him more time to get to know Bobby.

    Dean was already building a relation ship with him while Sam was still in
    nappies.

    Maybe Bobby never let them into his library when they were younger because of the type of books he had there.
    Remember we're told that Sam knew nothing about the supernatural world until he was 8 or 9.
    Then we must consider that Sam went away to Stanford and surely Dean or Dean/ John saw Bobby during those years.

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  72. jillyanne1 December 2011 at 18:05

    Hey WELCOME to SpoilerTV :) This is a great place to talk about Supernatural - no brother wars, no flaming, plenty of complaining - because, hey, it's canon for SPN fans to complain. :P 

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  73. chris6841 December 2011 at 18:10

    "sam's the plot, dean's the eyes."

    The problem with this argument is that Dean isn't exactly a passive observer.  He's been the one interacting with Death and getting lessons about the natural order.  He killed Eve, the mother of all monsters.  He's was the Winchester's connection to Cas, who was mostly responsible for most of last year's storyline.  He started the breaking of the seals.  He was Michael's true vessel.  He led the plan to bind Death to bring down Cas in episode 1 this season.

    If Sam is the plot, that means the plot has been limited since the beginning of season 6 to Sam coming back from hell soulless, Sam getting his soul back, and his wall breaking.  Nothing else has happened.

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  74. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 18:12

    Hi!! thanks for the welcome :D eheheh I know, we complain a lot... but that's because we're passionate, right? ;D I've been lurking on this site for a long time, spoilertv is great! :)) <3

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  75. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 18:16

    you may be right, I don't know... I've never seen that scene in this way but I get your point... I should rewatch :)

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  76. isleofskye1 December 2011 at 18:17

    So do I :-)

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  77. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 18:19

    I'm still hoping for a season 9 (or even 10, if we're lucky!) but you're right about them having to wrap it up at some point...and also about the big wins coming with a price!

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  78. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 18:28

    If you paid attention at all to what I said, I said THIS SEASON. Not EVERY season. Sam's soulless plot ended at episode 11 and there was nothing for him there after Unforgiven. We saw nothing until Cas took his wall down at the end of ep 21. Then we got some of Sam in the finale trying to piece himself back together again. I could care less seeing Sam from Dean's PoV. I want to see Sam from SAM'S PoV. Not Dean's. Not Bobby's. Not Castiel's. Not anybody else's but Sam's.  As for Dean's issues? They've been dragged out since Season 1. I'm sick of them. I'm ready to move on. I want something new, and I'd like for Sam to get the emotional focus that he deserves, and IMO, he deserves it right now a hell of a lot more than Dean does.

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  79. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 18:29

    You said this so much better than I did.

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  80. chris6841 December 2011 at 18:37

    We're also grumpy and overly literal too. ;)  No brother wars but occasional turf skirmishes.  Welcome from me too.

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  81. Jess_Ro1 December 2011 at 18:41

    and if you read my post with more attention, you would see I wrote that we're just at episode 10 and a lot will happen before the end... but ok...well...if you put things in this way, I don't think I can reply more than a simple "I disagree"... anyway, I trust the writers, Sam's plot about his mind will come in season 7, I'm sure :)
     

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  82. ScottA1 December 2011 at 18:41

    Sorry. Too many pain meds.  Maybe they could get some DNA and replicate Bobby like they did the boys.  But then you'd have two Bobby Singers in the hospital.

    Too much crotchety for me.

    What if they got to him while he was still in the warehouse and he has already been replicated?  Wouldn't fit with the flashbacks unless they were absorbing his memories like they did Castiel.

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  83. tvmonkey1 December 2011 at 19:49

    I dont think John loved/liked Sam more than Dean, he was just more protective of Sam maybe because he knew where Sam's destiny would lead him? He told Dean he might have to kill Sam which suggests that John at least knew something about Sam's destiny whether it be the demon blood and or YED's plans or maybe even as far as Lucifer. Maybe he knew about the demons in Sam's life keeping an eye on him which was why he moved them around so much and maybe a bug reason why he didn't want Sam to go to college. It all points to John being protective not loving or liking more. 

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  84. tvmonkey1 December 2011 at 19:50

    Sam has become a plot device

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  85. tvmonkey1 December 2011 at 19:57

    it would be nice if he did, I really want him to have a friend

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  86. tvmonkey1 December 2011 at 20:03

    With the episode more likely to focus on Dean's feelings and reactions a moment here or there for Sam with Bobby would be great. Sometimes its the subtle/less common scenes that are the best.

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  87. chris6841 December 2011 at 20:46

    He's not even that anymore. That honor passed to Cas when the story arc switched from the apocalypse to purgatory.

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  88. SammyWsGirl1 December 2011 at 20:50

    He's become a story prop for Dean's issues. 

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  89. Dalia Ebeid1 December 2011 at 22:51

    Yay!!!!!!! some Supernatural scoop, finally!!!!!!!

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  90. Letícia Piroutek2 December 2011 at 01:33

    It would be the perfect time to bring the angels back. But of course they won't do that. And of course Bobby's healing will be something stupid

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  91. tvmonkey2 December 2011 at 12:36

    according to TWFB its Dean's hand

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  92. SammyWsGirl2 December 2011 at 15:22

    Where at because I'm not seeing it. How do they know unless they've previewed the episode before us and I don't see any episode preview articles on that site.

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  93. Lissie_Bee2 December 2011 at 16:35

    yeah, I feel like we've been living in a giant angst-fest this season with Cas going all power-hungry and being taken over and Dean killing Amy and driving a wedge between himself and Sam.. Bobby would just be too much, and the boys would pretty much officially have no one to turn to.. and that would take us to a very bad place

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  94. Lissie_Bee2 December 2011 at 16:37

    yeah, I think they're done with the angel story line now that the apocalypse is over and Cas has been "dealt with".. plus, all my favorite angels are gone anyway, so I don't know how happy it would make me - unless Gabriel, Balthazar, and Cas were miraculously resurrected again  :(

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  95. SammyWsGirl2 December 2011 at 17:27

    I'm sorry but I disagree with you. For one, the angels storyline is done and over with. For two, if the boys find a way to save Bobby's life exactly HOW is that stupid? Unless of course you're saying that Sam and Dean are just stupid then I can't fathom why you'd be watching this show.

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  96. chris6842 December 2011 at 17:56

    Sorry, but I agree with Leticia.  Who says the angels storyline is over?  The apocalypse story is over, but angels are just another supernatural creature who to our knowledge haven't been completely killed off yet and could reappear at any time.

    As for bringing back Bobby, I don't think it should be by supernatural means.  Cas healed people for Sam and Dean, but his power and motivations were well established.  It wouldn't make sense for Death (who is a strong supporter of the natural order), Crowley (who as a demon is only supposed to have that power if someone sells their soul), or some god they haven't met yet to bring Bobby back.

    The point I heard argued over and over again for getting rid of the angels was that the show needed to get back to having consequences.  When people are hurt, there's no magic healing power.  When people die, they're gone.  When the Winchesters used supernatural power to save each other in the early seasons, it came at a huge cost - their soul - because the natural order wasn't meant to be tampered with.  Dead things should stay dead. So if Bobby is saved, it should be by some excellent doctor with great surgical skills.  If they pull a deus ex machina, then I agree with Leticia that the resolution will seem stupid.

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  97. KatHale2 December 2011 at 18:24

    Actually,I remember Sera Gamble saying in an interview that while the Apocalypse is over we will see individual plots with angels.So,you're right!

    Plus,it wouldn't make sense for me if we didn't.For one,at some point I would like an explanation for their sudden disappearance and what is going on in Heaven now that there is no one left to lead them.And there's still the little issue with God,but I think that they're keeping that for the series finale(whenever that is).
    I'm even expecting to see some familiar faces,namely Joshua,since I'm pretty sure he's the only angel we know still alive..
    At least,until Cas comes back!  ; )

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  98. SammyWsGirl2 December 2011 at 18:24

    Who said the angel storyline is over? Well, Sera Gamble did. In fact, she said they were getting back to stuff happening on Earth, not in Heaven or Hell or angels, but Sam and Dean against something they've never been up against before, the Leviathans and they have nothing to do with the angels. Since the S7 premiere, that's certainly the way it looks. The angels pose no importance anymore. Every single angel we knew in this show has been killed off sans Lucifer and Michael, and I'm sorry but I don't see them coming back anytime soon either. Cas is still up in the air, but as far as angels go, they honestly hold no importance to this story at all. Castiel killed off most of them for "betraying" him and siding with Raphael, of course after he killed Raphael. Uriel, Anna, Zachariah, Balthazar, Rachel, Raphael amongst many others are all dead. So yeah, as far as I'm concerned, the angels are gone and now and Sam and Dean are screwed because they don't have their big magical quick fixes by angels anymore. I'm glad Supernatural has gotten back to the nitty gritty of it all. Dues ex machine? Angels which in the show have become non-existent because they serve no special purpose anymore. That's my opinion, and if you don't like it, then don't read my posts. I don't know what else to tell you. You can think whatever you want is stupid, I personally don't.

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  99. chris6842 December 2011 at 18:30

    Yeah, I remember that interview too.  I'd love to see some follow up on what the state of heaven is.  It doesn't have to take up much time, but there should be some continuity between the events of one season to the next.  The continuity was one of the things I liked about season 6.  The post apocalypse chaos that led to the purgatory storyline seemed like a natural progression.

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  100. chris6842 December 2011 at 19:03

    Just because the main story arc is about the Leviathan (on earth), it doesn't mean that angels can't make occasional appearances, just like demons still do even though the hell storyline is also over.  Who knows, maybe some angels have an interest in what's going on with the Leviathan?  There has to be some good angels left, like Cas or Anna in season 4, who like humans.

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  101. Jess_Ro2 December 2011 at 19:47

    thank you for the welcome! :D

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  102. CyanaT3 December 2011 at 00:41

    I agree. Besides people do recover from gun shots to head at different rates without "Angel healing", ranging from full recovery to recovery with some "deficits" (Gabrielle Gifford, Jim Brady, to name a few prominent head shot victims).I recovered *with some physical deficits) from a severe brain injury due to scuba diving (not an open head wound) with nearly a 100% mortality rate because of superb medical care - not angel healing. 
     
    I'd rather have a Reaper heal Bobby if there's any "Supernatural intervention" or maybe even Crowley because its in his best interests to keep Bobby alive so he and the boys can clean up the Leviathans. If Dean and/or Sam convince either of these non "SPN god/Angel" supernatural entities to help Bobby it will be because they care deeply about Bobby and not because "it will something stupid". 

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  103. SammyWsGirl3 December 2011 at 00:46

    Oh, Cyana that is an EXCELLENT idea!! I love the idea that a Reaper may heal Bobby because of what needs to be done. If I'm not mistaken, they said that the Grim Reaper is supposed to show up in tonight's episode? I'm almost certain it's this episode... I could be wrong. I may have to go dig up old spoilers and find out. I really do love this idea though! It's so much better than the angel thing which I'm sorry, but I see no need for angelic interference on this show anymore. And I don't see how it would be something stupid either, but that it would be because of the boys' love for Bobby as their father figure and friend and hunter comrade. I agree so much with that.

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  104. CyanaT3 December 2011 at 00:59

    Yeah and SWG is probably right (reference to her later response) and it's just a "Sam extreme emotion/stress mannerism." It would be nice if he was praying, even silently, in a  manner (hands in a traditional, recognizable "prayer position".   

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  105. CyanaT3 December 2011 at 01:08

    Yes, according the guest cast list posted by DeanJunky (CW Forum) there is supposed to be a "Reaper" in 7.10. 

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  106. chris6843 December 2011 at 01:13

    The season 1 reaper in Faith had to take someone else's life to save someone. It goes back to the idea that supernatural cheats have consequences. As for Crowley, he was very clear in season 5 that to do something special (in that case find Death), he needed someone to sell his soul. Those are the rules for demons.

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  107. Justyna Tenel3 December 2011 at 18:18

    Awww Bobby

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  108. Justyna Tenel3 December 2011 at 18:20

    Agreed. I think the angelic story-line pretty much ran it's course and I kinda think that Bobby won't make it. I'd like him to, but I'm hot very optimistic.

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  109. Justyna Kubica8 April 2014 at 03:55

    I agree with Dean. SAVE HIM!
    And oh, he's holding Bobby's hand... It's gonna be so sad...
    Poor Dean & Sam! And Bobby!

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