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  1. mrflamethunder5 November 2011 at 15:11

    As long as it stays around this number, I'm quite relieved. Thank God!!

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  2. klutzy_girl5 November 2011 at 15:16

    SPN's good?

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  3. Lou5 November 2011 at 15:17

    yay Fringe <3

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  4. Wilson Crawford5 November 2011 at 15:22

    Yay, it's trying to increase again. :)

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  5. melodybeatrix5 November 2011 at 15:23

    Good job Fringe XDD

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  6. vargesz5 November 2011 at 15:24

    Nice to see that Fringe is stable even if it should be stable with a little better numbers. They said they don't expect it to grow soo...
     I am curious to see how Grimm did after those ridicullously good numbers last week.

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  7. laura33415 November 2011 at 15:31

    It seems Fringe is holding its own,lets wait for the rest of the numbers before we break out in dance,shouting out hallelujah!

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  8. Elisabeth Evan5 November 2011 at 15:33

    I hope so.. I never really know how to read these haha

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  9. João Paulo5 November 2011 at 15:39

    1.3 for Fringe this is great.

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  10. carobrazil5 November 2011 at 15:41

    c´mon people!! watch fringe pleasee

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  11. Supernatural_Loving_Fan8675 November 2011 at 15:48

    I started watching Fringe a few days ago, almost done Season 1, so I'm happy about the increase :)
    As for Supernatural, I don't know if it's in a good place or a bad place..with CW I'm confused. At least it
    seems stable :)'

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  12. Dr House5 November 2011 at 15:49

    Fox will compare Fringe to Grimm ratings, so if you are a Fringie, don't DVR Grimm, because you're helping up its ratings

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  13. Ricky Terry5 November 2011 at 15:50

    I think I've said this a million times but...

    ...It only matters if you have a Neilson Box. And I think the Neilson People who watch fringe are basically established. Also I think the Neilson people do not frequent this blog. So it basically boils down to this: 

    If you have a Neilson box them by all means watch Fringe live, or at the very least let it play live while you watch another TV or something. But if you don't have a Neilson box DVR it if you have a DVR. Otherwise do whatever you like. 

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  14. melodybeatrix5 November 2011 at 15:51

    DVR Fringe~

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  15. Cathy5 November 2011 at 15:51

    Wow, Chuck is getting really low ratings. Ouch. Thank God it is the last season. I just hope they don't cut the season short before filming all episodes.

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  16. DarthLocke45 November 2011 at 15:53

    Keep steady Fringe!

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  17. Wilson Crawford5 November 2011 at 15:57

    Not necessarily.
    *cough* nielsen box *Cough*

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  18. Ricky Terry5 November 2011 at 15:59

    OOOOHHHH!!! so they do exist. *Ahem*

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  19. Soline5 November 2011 at 16:09

    SPN is stable and is doing the same average demo than most of the CW shows...while being on friday :) So yeah it's good

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  20. jensenfan19785 November 2011 at 16:38

    First off you have to go by the network, I would think.  Supernatural would be fine for the CW but terrible for Fox.  It goes by the number of viewers the network gets and the night it's on.  Supernatural was stable last week at .08, but it has gone down this week.  I am sure the ending of last week didn't help matters, but those who missed will be disappointed that they had.  I also imagine that James Marsters remarks about the boys wanting him back and that Castiel was gone did help matters at all.

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  21. isleofskye5 November 2011 at 16:59

    Interesting, Supernatural has more or less kept steady and if it's final numbers are put up to 0.8 like last week that would be confirmed.

    Grimm is the new unknown on Friday nights now and I am curious to know where the Grimm viewers have come from.
    Have they transferred from other shows, and if yes, from which ones, or has it attracted completely new viewers?

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  22. starinacasket5 November 2011 at 17:17

    People who have Nielson boxes are not the only ones who matter! This is a good article on the things you can do as a Fringe fan to gain more attention for the show. http://www.fringetelevision.com/2011/11/fringe-ratings-how-to-overcome-nielsen.html#more
    They have a lot of great suggestions, but the point is that what people are talking about on the internet MATTERS more and more. So talk about Fringe! Tweet @FringeonFOX how you feel about the show, that you are watching live. Comment on official FOX message boards. Check in on GetGlue EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT! FOX has regularly teamed up with GetGlue promotionally and Fringe reigns as number one over there during new episodes, so don't tell me those numbers don't matter. And as Ricky said, if you have a DVR, make sure you record it and watch it again and let the commercials play. Those ridiculously good DVR numbers might have been highly responsible for there being a season 4.

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  23. Robert O'Donnell5 November 2011 at 17:17

    I was worried Grimm would take a chunk out of Fringe's viewership, being a new show and all. But it's good to see that the two audiences don't really overlap. If Fringe stays where it is (or goes higher), it may just be safe.

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  24. RobertAriadne5 November 2011 at 17:18

    I think Fringe has hit the stabilization point in ratings. The people that watched, the 1.3% of 18-49 year olds, they are the base. It'll get renewed.

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  25. Paxnos5 November 2011 at 17:19

    Nice Fringe is up to 1.3 again. Next week's episode looks nice so I'm hoping for a 1.4 :)
    Too bad I can't influence the US viewer counts.. I'm from Germany. :(

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  26. Robert O'Donnell5 November 2011 at 17:21

    Definitely. Where is Fox going to find another Friday show with a loyal core audience like that? Bringing any other show to that timeslot to replace Fringe would just be a risk to them.

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  27. Robert O'Donnell5 November 2011 at 17:24

    Yeah, the mystery of who the Grimm fans are interests me as well. You would think for a show like that to do this well they would have to take away viewers from existing Friday shows. Namely genre shows like Fringe and Supernatural. But those shows stayed rock steady. Clearly more people are willing to watch tv on Fridays; I just wish it was Fringe they were watching.

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  28. RobertAriadne5 November 2011 at 17:26

    The people that watched Grimm, I think, are new viewers. Viewers looking for a casual show to watch, not some die-hard Supernatural or Fringe fans.

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  29. MurderMondays5 November 2011 at 17:27

    Don't feel bad. 99% of US viewers can't influence those numbers either.

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  30. Liv fan5 November 2011 at 17:30

    Yay for fringe..keep watching people, woot! 

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  31. Baff5 November 2011 at 17:31

    Apparently the Grimm viewers have not come out of the Supernatural or Fringe viewers.  SPN and Fringe numbers are both up from last time they both aired a new episode (3 weeks ago).  I am sure there is plenty of overlap in viewers, but it isn't having any negative effect on either of those 2 shows yet, contrary to my dire predictions last month.  Fringe and SPN may have a chance to survive yet, though they are both still doing poorly.

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  32. Baff5 November 2011 at 17:42

    The people watching Grimm are likely the people who lost interest in Fringe & SPN in previous seasons (both shows only have about 30% of the viewers they started with).

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  33. Tes5 November 2011 at 17:45

    I am happy that Fringe is getting a bit more ratings and the only solution I see for it to get better ratings is to have a good lead in show that would compliment it. I was hoping for Alcatraz since it is also another JJ Abrams show but it's going to be on Mondays. So I'm really hoping FOX gives Fringe a good companion show if it want's it's ratings to go up. 

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  34. Baff5 November 2011 at 17:49

    The only other genre show Fox has coming up is Touch, which isn't coming until Spring.  It is always possible that Terra Nova will get pushed to Friday as its numbers drop.

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  35. Dahne5 November 2011 at 18:06

    Fox will compare Fringe ratings to other shows on Fox.  

    As for the DVR thing, only people with Nielsen boxes affect both the live and DVR ratings.  If you have a DVR but are not a Nielsen family, it still doesn't matter that you DVR's it.  Only exception - if you are sent a paper survey in the mail during sweeps week.  Then your viewing will count also.  Rooting against Grimm will not help Fringe out at all.

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  36. Yakz Yey Yerkiet Yokazz5 November 2011 at 18:13

    Fringe hasn't lost many viewers since it was moved to Friday Nights.

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  37. Dahne5 November 2011 at 18:14

    HA!  I wrote a similar blog about Supernatural in October.  However, that still doesn't change the fact that watching live or even DVR-ing Fringe does not help its ratings unless you are a Nielsen family.  I agree that it is more fun to watch live and DVR because then you can talk about your passion with fans right away and you can rewatch all you want.  It just won't help the ratings.  The other suggestions are where genre shows like Fringe and Superantural might have some power.  Letting advertisers know you are buying their products because they support your show is better than sending useless items to the networks.  TV like every other business comes down to the money.

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  38. isleofskye5 November 2011 at 18:16

    I suppose you would have to total up the overall viewers from last week and compare with this week's total to see any new viewer numbers.
    However I'm happy SPN is holding up although it deserves more of an audience than what it has!

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  39. Dahne5 November 2011 at 18:25

    The CW will be in a quandary if the ratings continue as they are.  Typically the CW launches around 3 new shows a year plus a couple reality shows.  Unless the CW dumps reality, which I don't see happening because it is so cheap to buy, they will probably need to ax 3 current shows.  One Tree Hill will end this year, leaving them to make a decision about the other 2.  Unless things change ratings wise I think Nikita is done but except for Vampire Diaries, all their other shows have very similar ratings which means other factors might come into play.  Supernatural has the advantage of being on Friday nights where ratings are expected to be lower (although I don't think this will save Nikita).  They also know Supernatural fans bring press to the network, like with the TV Guide cover.  Still right now it looks like a toss-up on who stays and who goes.  It may come down to which shows are more expensive to purchase.  Either way, if One Tree Hill is successful with it's last season billing the way that Smallville was, you can expect an announcement that something will be in its final season next year at Upfronts in May.  

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  40. Dahne5 November 2011 at 18:27

    These are just the preliminary numbers.  Supernatural has been getting a 0.7 demo in prelims for weeks.  Except for last week when it stayed a 0.7, they tend to bump up to a 0.8 in the final ratings.  That is a trend I would love to continue.

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  41. Dahne5 November 2011 at 18:30

    Yikes, put Terra Nova on Friday night too and my head might explode.  Already I juggle more on that night than any other day of the week and that's supposed to be a TV dead zone.

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  42. Baff5 November 2011 at 18:32

    My point is that there are a ton of viewers who like genre shows who aren't currently watching Fringe or SPN.

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  43. Dahne5 November 2011 at 18:35

    Unless he's been holding out on us for a year, Wilson sadly does not have a Nielsen box either.  I do however know a person online who knows a person who had a Nielsen box and let them house sit one weekend.  Before then, I put Nielsen viewers in the category of Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster - people talk about them but there hasn't been actual proof.

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  44. starinacasket5 November 2011 at 18:35

    The internet may only count as a fraction of what Nielsen ratings do, but they still matter, they're still looked at, especially a sci-fi show with a fan base like Fringe. I've seen the EP's and actors say multiple times that the campaign to send Red Vines into FOX helped us get a fourth season. Perhaps they don't know what they're talking about but I think fan campaigns can make a difference just by bringing attention to the show. Of course it all comes down to money, but the people spending the money don't only care about Nielsen ratings, they also care that there are other ways to document the way people watch television today. They understand that the people watching live on Friday nights with Nielsen boxes aren't the only people exposed to their ads.

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  45. Shonaille5 November 2011 at 18:41

    I dropped SPN years ago so I was looking for something else like it and found Grimm. I still watch Fringe though.

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  46. overandback5 November 2011 at 18:52

    It's a relief seeing Fringe starting to do better in the ratings. Let's hope it keeps it up.

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  47. Dahne5 November 2011 at 19:22

    My guess is that Red Vines had less to do with it than the fact that it was in the WB's best interest to sell Fringe at a discount to Fox in order to get to the magical 88 episodes needed to syndicate it.  However I can't prove that.  I'm not sure any send-in campaign has been successful since Jericho's ratings tanked after theirs.  More successful by far was the Chuck Subway campaign.  The fans encouraged Subway to be Chuck's sponsor and Chuck was renewed despite poor ratings.  I honestly think that the best thing a non-Nielsen fan can do is show advertisers that they are watching the commercials and buying their products.  That way the advertisers, who in the end determine what shows are renewed and which aren't, know theirs ads have been successful despite the ratings.  That's a powerful testament to a show's bottom line.

    I agree that the internet is getting more attention now at least by the TV creation side of Hollywood.  It still has a long way to go before they have a working model to make it profitable to advertisers and convince those advertisers it is worth the thousands to millions of dollars they spend during a one hour TV show.  I also agree that getting a show attention can only help.  Fringe has a great supporter in Entertainment Weekly.  I would expect fans to capitalize on that opportunity as much as possible.  

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  48. Wilson Crawford5 November 2011 at 19:22

    No, I don't have a box. I was just pointing out that demanding people that they watch the show to increase ratings doesn't work if they don't have the box.

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  49. Wilson Crawford5 November 2011 at 19:25

    Arguably SPN is NOT doing poorly, when compared to other CW shows AND for what night it is on. Fringe however remains a weekly source of stress for me.

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  50. Christine DeJoy5 November 2011 at 19:25

    I always wonder what Fringe's Friday ratings would be if it's lead in wasn't a cooking show. I happen to like Kitchen Nightmares but the programming of those two together completely confuses me. I would love to know the rationale for it. As for Grimm, I tried watching it and I didn't like it to be honest. I DO like Once Upon A Time which is 'similar' but not really so it's not a genre/fable thing. It just seemed to corny to me and I couldn't get through it.

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  51. Wilson Crawford5 November 2011 at 19:27

    There are plenty of dead things on Friday nights, but the schedule no longer is one of those things. Ever since SPN switched over, it seems like everyone's jumping on that bandwagon (usually with the "Oh this is where the X Files was, so let's throw Grimm/Fringe/Chuck, etc. on Friday as well!)

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  52. Christine DeJoy5 November 2011 at 19:27

    Just curious, but where are you getting your info from that Warner Bros is licensing Fringe to FOX at a discount?

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  53. Dahne5 November 2011 at 19:28

    I figured.  :-)  I think the best solution is that we get our very own Nielsen box.  Surely it would be a boon to the economy considering how many more employees they would need.  I propose some senator put that in the nation's economic recovery plan.  :-P

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  54. Bruce_F5 November 2011 at 19:28

     - Nice second showing for Grimm.  It had a slight drop but it won the hour and was second in the demo, behind only Blue Bloods for the entire night.

     - Nikita and Supernatural were steady, like always.

     - Fringe inched up a little, thankfully.

     - Chuck was even more dismal than last week.  I don't care if this is Chuck's final season or not, if the ratings don't improve NBC should pull it.  They could get much better ratings showing a repeat of almost anything.

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  55. Wilson Crawford5 November 2011 at 19:29

    lol That's not true at all. Have you seen the other ratings for NBC shows lately? 

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  56. Bruce_F5 November 2011 at 19:30

    Yes I have and they don't air any scripted show that comes close to a god-awful .8 in the demo.  I stand firmly behind my post.

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  57. Xindilini5 November 2011 at 20:38

    That's an interesting point about the new viewers for Grimm. More people spending time home on Friday night maybe?
    In Canada, there's only one of me and I had to watch Grimm and taped Fringe. Will see how that affects ratings later in the week.

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  58. Baff5 November 2011 at 20:50

    SPN is doing poorly no matter how badly everything else on CW is doing.  Though yes, SPN doing better than some other CW shows does help its chances of survival.

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  59. Ryan Cohen5 November 2011 at 20:51

    im glad fringe is steady but i stilll wish the ratings would increasee!! 

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  60. Baff5 November 2011 at 21:01

    2 weeks ago, NBC ran reruns of The Office (.6) and Parks & Recreation (.6), so they can easily do worse than Chuck's .8, though I do agree that is awful for a first run episode.

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  61. Ricky Terry5 November 2011 at 21:17

    Trust me I'm doing all I can, but watching live doesn't quite do it. Unless you have a Neilson box, that's all I mean. Unless of course you go buy all the products that are advertised.

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  62. Bruce_F5 November 2011 at 21:20

    Something that close is still beneficial by comparison.

    It's better for NBC financially to run a repeat (a show they've already paid to make) with roughly the same ratings as it would be to continue to produce a brand new show that performs similarly.  They get the same results without all of the added cost.

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  63. Baff5 November 2011 at 21:39

    Sure, but they have already paid for the Chuck episodes.

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  64. Supernatural_Loving_Fan8675 November 2011 at 23:42

    I see. Thank you for clearing that up Dahne and Soline :)
    I'd feel a lot better if Supernatural ratings went a bit more up though >_<

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  65. kodiak bear5 November 2011 at 23:43

    I have to admit, I still watch SPN and Fringe but sporadically and almost never on the night it airs.  I'll usually DVR or watch it at Fox/CW online later in the week.  I have, however, watched both episodes of Grimm when it aired and will continue to do so.  I like it! 

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  66. Lubbeelou5 November 2011 at 23:51

    Yay for Blue Bloods! So glad it won in the ratings and the 18-49!

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  67. ScottA5 November 2011 at 23:52

    Look at the uproar from the Sons of Anarchy fans.  Sutter had them riled into a frenzy. 

    They may or may not have influenced anything but the producers and the network know how their fans feel.

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  68. Dahne6 November 2011 at 00:25

    I don't know it for a fact.  It's simply speculation and a popular theory on different ratings sites, including TVbtN.  However, last year's ratings alone did not rate another season, especially after seeing how relatively little an ad costs during Fringe compared to most other Fox shows.  It's not on the air because Fox is making a lot of money from it.  

    Fringe has a deep cast and is in its 4th season which automatically means higher costs salary wise.  Add in 2 different universes and a lot of special effects and Fringe is not cheap to make. They've got product placement going for it but my guess is that WB is making its most money through DVD sales and foreign markets.  If they can get a syndication deal that ups the take substantially and opens Fringe up to a whole new market.  In short, if they get a syndication deal they would make up for any discount they could offer Fox relatively quickly.  However, syndication can really only happen if you have enough episodes in the can and you can't have episodes without a network to air it on.  Therefore, WB needs Fox too if they want syndication to happen.  This season will put Fringe past the new 88 episode level that tends to lead to syndication deals.  If they get a season next year, they will have the tradition 100 episodes.  There was a lot of incentive for WB to make Fox a good offer for this season.  I don't know that they did but it certainly makes a lot more sense to me than Red Vines and DVRs.

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  69. Dahne6 November 2011 at 00:31

    I don't watch SoA so I'm not sure what Sutter did, but I absolutely believe that fans influence TV shows far more than ever before.  A vocal, motivated, and persistent part of a fandom can force show producers to change course, drop plot lines, and yes, even bring fired people back.  As far as show content goes they are very powerful, sometimes to the detriment of the series. Supernatural is a perfect example of fans that almost have too much say in what happens on their show.  As far as the creative side of a show goes, fans are king.  It's the business side of Hollywood where I think they have less influence.

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  70. Dahne6 November 2011 at 00:34

    I'd be doing my happy dance all week if Supernatural got back to a 1.0 demo, but I am resigned that it won't happen.  The only good thing is that ratings are down all over the CW so the only show getting a 1.0 or above is the Vampire Diaries.  Supernatural doesn't have to be the top show (although I wish it was).  It just has to do better than enough shows to stay in the game.

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  71. Christine DeJoy6 November 2011 at 02:04

    Ok. I though it was in print somewhere (as in quoted) that they were selling it to them at a discounted rate. I've worked in syndi for a long time and know how it works, but there are a lot of back end deals that need to be taken into account for this show. And it's expensive - just like any show on TV right now - but helluva lot cheaper than many think. Fringe, SPN, Secret Circle and Once Upon A Time get HUGE, (HUGE!) tax breaks in Van. From crew, to VFX, to on-location in outlying city tax credits, it's why everything is shot there that is Sci-Fi or effect heavy. (Meaning they have so many individual tax credits, not just one flat one) And that's why those shows continually have the same production quality too, they don't have to 'cut' anything out for budget slashing. (And I'd take the snarky writing on TVBTN like a grain of salt. Some of the 'writing' there has a lot to be desired on how they report their facts.) And still, the rate that they can charge for a Friday night show at 9pm on FOX is still pretty good. I'm not sure why so many are seeing that number from Ad Age as a bad thing. That's just ONE source of income for the show. And it's the price of a show that runs at 9pm on a Friday. It's comparable to the other networks and the rates they are charging for the same time period. In fact, it's more than some of the other networks for that time slot.

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  72. Christine DeJoy6 November 2011 at 02:14

    I think NBC knew they were going to be taking a loss on Chuck and that's why they scheduled it's final 13 episodes on Friday nights instead of another night. I personally think they thought it was going to do better though. I'm almost wondering if they flipped Grimm to 8 if that as a lead-in would help Chuck. That said, any other network might have canned it since it wasn't helping them last season in it's old time slot. I think with the Comcast merger they decided to just let it finish, keep the fans happy and have a series that ran from start to finish creatively.

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  73. Dahne6 November 2011 at 02:17

    Yes, the tax breaks.  That is a huge deal.  Thanks for mentioning it.

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  74. Christine DeJoy6 November 2011 at 02:36

    It's literally mind-boggling, the tax breaks they get. I'm a bit off on my numbers and some stuff will be changing with the HST stuff going on in BC in 18 months time but crew/labor is around a 25% break, VFX is around a 30% break and each city has their own rate to shoot there too. That averages 'around' 20%. Don't quote me on these as exact percentages but they are around these figures. Same for movies too. That's why films like Superman, Elysium and RIPD which are extremely effects heavy are shot in BC too.

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  75. Tes6 November 2011 at 05:16

    I find the pairing to be weird too because I don't see how that would get people to watch Sci-Fi after a reality show. I wish they would build-up their Friday like how the have The Animation Domination on Sundays. I also Like Once Upon A Time. Grimm's premise for me is just too far off, I couldn't even finish the Pilot.

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  76. Miss Rain6 November 2011 at 12:43

    not good but awesome,,!!

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  77. RobertAriadne7 November 2011 at 15:02

    TBYTN isn't that bad. They're usually on the mark.

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  78. Wilson Crawford7 November 2011 at 23:51

    I just have to ignore the commentors. Every once in a while though, it's blatant that they are trying to start something with fans of shows like Fringe, Chuck, etc.

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  79. Wilson Crawford7 November 2011 at 23:52

    Just like last week, SPN was elevated to a 0.8 in the final ratings. It's been a 0.8 for 3-4 weeks now I believe.

    Also, total viewers: 1.84 million.
    (All according to TVBTN...which is the best place for numbers)

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  80. RobertAriadne8 November 2011 at 00:10

    Yeah, they sometimes go over the line, but they're just trying to boost web traffic.

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  81. Missy8 November 2011 at 07:00

    this is great!

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