No Emma, he's not your son. You gave him up for adoption 10 years ago. I find myself hoping that Henry will be sucked into the mysterious thing and find himself trapped in Rumpelstiltskin's cage in Fairy Tale Land. It won't happen but I'd be delighted.
Actually that is exactly what it means. She gave up any connection to Henry and forfeited all rights to be his parent. She did not choose an open adoption so she has no more right to Henry than a stranger off the street.
Maybe in fairy tale land but in the real world, she has given up all rights to Henry. He is not considered her son in anyone's eyes except Emma and Henry's. She could be prosecuted for kidnapping by taking Henry in the car this episode. A closed adoption means you forfeit all parental rights. A mother is not the person who gives birth to you. She is the person who raises you. Emma has been in Henry's life for only a couple of weeks. She was not there when he was a child, she did not feed him or change his diapers, she did not help him learn to walk, or help him learn to read. You may not like Regina and the show is adamant that we not like her. But legally and culturally she is Henry's mother, Henry is her son. Emma is not. In real life, she would be in jail right now.
This thing with Emma being all "he's my son" actually makes me find her really unlikable as a character. She gave her son up and no matter how evil he think Regina is, she obviously does care about him.
I agree. You can't give up your rights, ask for a closed adoption and just waltz back in when a 10 year old has issues with him mom. That's just not fair to anyone.
I find her more unlikable every episode and this just tops it. It sucks because I am supposed to be rooting for her but currently I want her to hightail it back to the city so I never have to see her again.
She should have pointed out that she is a cop now, thus qualifying her to be the one to go down there, She shouldn't be a twit and antagonize Regina by calling Henry her son like that
If my gut does not fail on me, I am pretty sure this is what is going to happen in the season finale. We are going to see a flashback on how Rumpelstinsky got Emma to give up Henry for adoption because, since he made the dark spell, he is the only one that fully remembers the enchanted land (Clues : "Please", the contract with cinderella, the emphasis he used when he pronounced her name the first time he talked to "Emma" (Snow White told him her name), and the fact that we dont know anything about the reasons yet about why she gave up henry)
This, basically. I've said it before that I always feel bad for not liking kids on TV, but Henry - from acting to writing - grates like no other child on any other show in recent memory ever has. I can't decide if my dislike of Emma results from her sharing most of her scenes with him, or vice versa, but those two need to be separated - I just can't with them.
I understand that there needed to be a reason to keep E around in Storybrooke, but why didn't they just do the typical "she's a federal agent, relocated, blah, blah" route and actually legitimize her power struggles with the mayor? At least there would be some appropriate reasons for her to be hanging around town getting up in everybody's business... with the current circumstances, she's the asshole and the villain comes across sympathetic.
-mutters- It's like Clark and Lex all over again...
I thought the point of the show is that these characters are stuck in 'our real world' - and there are no fairy godmothers: so therefore dramatic declarations should have no power, and whomever has the bounciest hair-do doesn't win. Yes, fine, suspension of disbelief, but that's what the Enchanted Forest is for: the writers can't juxtapose the two and still expect us to swallow looks like another grating scene.
Emma and Henry have no counterpart in the fairy tale world.. And it was Henry who came to Emma. Remember that at first she didn't want have any contact with him..
I'm still yet to see any signs of genuine affection the mayor holds for Henry. I've seen none so far. To me he's just another element of her perfect life she's made in Storybrooke, a possession. How is that Henry has no wam feelings towards her? I don't remember how long hes been with her if it's ever been said, but if it's been since infancy, then she must be doing a poor job as a mother indeed.
It's not enough to have legal rights to be a real mother in my eyes. Granted, Emma doesn't deserve that title as of yet either but at least her concern doesn't come off as atificial.
Fine points have been made so far, mother is the person who raises not the one who gives birth, there really is no was around that. What we can see, I believe, is that Regina is just constructing her life and Henry is just a pawn, she has not shown any affection towards him whatsoever, that's why most of us make excuses for Emma, but non the less they're excuses, she really has no legal right over Henry, and that is going to come and bite her in the ass.
Emotionally though I do believe that all of us can consider Emma Henry's mother more than Regina, lets face it she's the Evil Queen.
I understand what you mean, I really do, but I haven't seen any real affection towards Henry from Regina, if you have please let me know where so I can re-watch the whole thing when I can.
You're perfectly right in saying that, legally, Emma has no rights to that child, but an emotional bond can't be given or taken away by a court and neither can biology. If there's a close, familial connection between two people it can't be adjudicated into oblivion. That's where the phrase "they're like family" comes from.
That being said, if Emma is going to be working in law enforcement, making stupid declarative statements in public like "he's my son too," which can't be legally supported, (by paperwork or DNA since she STILL hasn't taken a test) could get her in a world of trouble or be grounds to reconsider her employment.
Okay, the DNA thing is still bugging the hell out of me and I can't seem to stop talking about it. This woman left her job, moved from Boston, had all her things shipped to her, and accepted a new job in a town run by a woman who wants to destroy her because some kid shows up at her door and CLAIMS he's her son. That's it. Henry says he's her son and Emma changes the entire direction of her life. She doesn't even seek out any proof to confirm. No paternity test, nothing. She's been living in a podunk town in the middle of Maine for weeks based solely on the word of a kid whom she believes to be suffering from severe delusions. What the hell!?
What is your problem here? One of my colleagues was raised in a foster family and they gave him love, education, everything. But he said his biggest wish was to find his real parents. As an adult, a journalist, he decided to find them. Now, he is contact with his BIRTH mom and he didn't regret tracking her down. I don't know if he forgave her and if that is even possible but I do remember him saying how that need, that wanting, was eating him from the inside out all of his life. He needed to know why she gave him up, why she abandoned him. He needed to find her, so he did.
I can see how the same applies to Henry here. He obviously IS NOT happy with the mayor as his mother and he had that need to find his REAL mother, the one who shares his blood, his DNA. But this story has more positive sides then that of my colleague. First Henry is just a boy and he can still enjoy spending a part of his childhood with his real mom. Secondly, this is a freakin' fairytale and the boy knows it. He knows that some evil beings, The Queen, Rumplestilskin, somehow influenced the events leading to his adoption, to everything bad that is happening to Storybrooke residents. We shouldn't judge Emma for giving up Henry because her own boy doesn't judge her and besides, we don't know the exact circumstances of why she gave him up in the first place.
And what is up with all the hating on that kid anyway? Why are everyone ganging up on that child actor. If all of you think that he is acting poorly, think again, harder this time. Because if I know anything about acting that kid is pretty damn good. Jennifer Morrison also, she is a fine actress!
Well, I totally agree about the mother of a child being the person who raised him/her and not the person who gave birth. In real life. BUT, come on, this is a fairy tale show, where we get to see Cinderella and Snow White in flashbacks dancing around at balls. This isn't a cop show, nor it is a drama like Grey's (adoption being an important topic this season).. I don't think the same rules should apply here. As much as I think that the actress doing Regina is fantastic, she's still the villain of the show. She's the one I love to hate. For now at least. So far, she mostly treated Henry as a mere property and we haven't seen any sign of affection toward him from her part. Or toward her from his part. And like someone said somewhere in the comments, we don't know what happened when Emma gave up Henry.
I am not hating the child actor but the character as the writers have portrayed him. He is quite simply a brat and it grates on my nerves. As for your friend, he was an adult approaching another adult when he reconnected with his birth mother. I have no issue with that. What I do have an issue with is that Emma, an adult, is sneaking behind another adult's back to hang out with a 10 year old kid and brazenly circumventing that parent's wishes. Henry is not being abused and while he does have parent issues, many kids his age do. Furthermore, according to Emma's own beliefs, Henry is delusional yet she still allows him to disobey his mother, who has known him his whole life, simply because she doesn't like her. Nothing makes this okay in the real world.
That's my issue though. The fairy tale world and the Storybrooke world have been portrayed as separate so the Storybrooke world needs to have some grounding in reality. To say everything is justified because they characters are fairy tale characters even though they don't know it smacks of lazy writing and takes a bigger suspension of belief than fiction traditionally allows. For me, Storybrooke should be more like England in the Harry Potter books. Although magic exists in Harry Potter's London, the rules of reality aren't just chucked out the window. The characters live in two worlds (Muggle and Magic) and both have a firm grounding in their own reality. I'm not saying Storybrooke cannot be different from our world. What I'm saying is that the rules for Stroybrooke seem to be whatever is convenient for the current story. That is doing the plot no favors and hurts the characters. Emma is not from Storybrooke. She more than anyone should understand how the real world works, especially since she worked with law enforcement. She knows that taking another person's child against their parent's wishes is kidnapping and that it has consequences. By not addressing the fact that Emma is dead wrong in most of what she has done, the character comes off as a manipulative, vindictive, self-righteous, bossy witch. The problem is that this is how the Evil Queen is supposed to come off. I want to root for Emma but right now I find everything she does and says distasteful.
I agree that Storybrooke storyline demands too great a suspension of disbelief. I have an issue with the fact that the characters don't age - Mary Margaret is basically the same age as her daughter, isn't she? o_o Or did they start to age now that the clock is ticking? ;) Does Storybrooke even have any contact with the outside world? It would be way more dramatic, tragic even, if the characters, all of them, were subject to real life. I mean, what happens when the curse is broken? Do they stay in US? Do they go back to the fairy tale world? And if so, are they returned to the original state and everything that happened to them in Storybrooke is erased?
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Yay, can't wait! Ugh at the two week break.
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ReplyDeleteNo Emma, he's not your son. You gave him up for adoption 10 years ago. I find myself hoping that Henry will be sucked into the mysterious thing and find himself trapped in Rumpelstiltskin's cage in Fairy Tale Land. It won't happen but I'd be delighted.
ReplyDeleteJust because she gave him up for adoption doesn't mean that he's not her son.
ReplyDeleteActually that is exactly what it means. She gave up any connection to Henry and forfeited all rights to be his parent. She did not choose an open adoption so she has no more right to Henry than a stranger off the street.
ReplyDeleteShe's still his mom and he's still her son, closed adoption or not.
ReplyDeleteMaybe in fairy tale land but in the real world, she has given up all rights to Henry. He is not considered her son in anyone's eyes except Emma and Henry's. She could be prosecuted for kidnapping by taking Henry in the car this episode. A closed adoption means you forfeit all parental rights. A mother is not the person who gives birth to you. She is the person who raises you. Emma has been in Henry's life for only a couple of weeks. She was not there when he was a child, she did not feed him or change his diapers, she did not help him learn to walk, or help him learn to read. You may not like Regina and the show is adamant that we not like her. But legally and culturally she is Henry's mother, Henry is her son. Emma is not. In real life, she would be in jail right now.
ReplyDeleteThis thing with Emma being all "he's my son" actually makes me find her really unlikable as a character. She gave her son up and no matter how evil he think Regina is, she obviously does care about him.
ReplyDeleteI agree. You can't give up your rights, ask for a closed adoption and just waltz back in when a 10 year old has issues with him mom. That's just not fair to anyone.
ReplyDeleteI find her more unlikable every episode and this just tops it. It sucks because I am supposed to be rooting for her but currently I want her to hightail it back to the city so I never have to see her again.
ReplyDeleteExactly. I like all the other characters and their interactions so much too that I WANT to like Emma but she's kind of a dick.
ReplyDeleteShe's making someone called the 'Evil Queen' seem reasonable.
Regina Vs Emma.............two weeks this is terrible :(
ReplyDeleteShe should have pointed out that she is a cop now, thus qualifying her to be the one to go down there, She shouldn't be a twit and antagonize Regina by calling Henry her son like that
ReplyDeleteIf my gut does not fail on me, I am pretty sure this is what is going to happen in the season finale. We are going to see a flashback on how Rumpelstinsky got Emma to give up Henry for adoption because, since he made the dark spell, he is the only one that fully remembers the enchanted land (Clues : "Please", the contract with cinderella, the emphasis he used when he pronounced her name the first time he talked to "Emma" (Snow White told him her name), and the fact that we dont know anything about the reasons yet about why she gave up henry)
ReplyDeleteThis, basically. I've said it before that I always feel bad for not liking kids on TV, but Henry - from acting to writing - grates like no other child on any other show in recent memory ever has. I can't decide if my dislike of Emma results from her sharing most of her scenes with him, or vice versa, but those two need to be separated - I just can't with them.
ReplyDeleteI understand that there needed to be a reason to keep E around in Storybrooke, but why didn't they just do the typical "she's a federal agent, relocated, blah, blah" route and actually legitimize her power struggles with the mayor? At least there would be some appropriate reasons for her to be hanging around town getting up in everybody's business... with the current circumstances, she's the asshole and the villain comes across sympathetic.
-mutters- It's like Clark and Lex all over again...
I thought the point of the show is that these characters are stuck in 'our real world' - and there are no fairy godmothers: so therefore dramatic declarations should have no power, and whomever has the bounciest hair-do doesn't win. Yes, fine, suspension of disbelief, but that's what the Enchanted Forest is for: the writers can't juxtapose the two and still expect us to swallow looks like another grating scene.
ReplyDeleteEmma and Henry have no counterpart in the fairy tale world.. And it was Henry who came to Emma. Remember that at first she didn't want have any contact with him..
ReplyDeleteI'm still yet to see any signs of genuine affection the mayor holds for
ReplyDeleteHenry. I've seen none so far. To me he's just another element of her
perfect life she's made in Storybrooke, a possession. How is that Henry
has no wam feelings towards her? I don't remember how long hes been with
her if it's ever been said, but if it's been since infancy, then she
must be doing a poor job as a mother indeed.
It's not enough to have legal rights to be a real mother in my eyes.
Granted, Emma doesn't deserve that title as of yet either but at least
her concern doesn't come off as atificial.
Beautiful! Finally a discussion I've been waiting to see between Regina and Emma!
ReplyDeleteWait wait wait, two weeks?!! Why??
ReplyDeleteFine points have been made so far, mother is the person who raises not the one who gives birth, there really is no was around that. What we can see, I believe, is that Regina is just constructing her life and Henry is just a pawn, she has not shown any affection towards him whatsoever, that's why most of us make excuses for Emma, but non the less they're excuses, she really has no legal right over Henry, and that is going to come and bite her in the ass.
ReplyDeleteEmotionally though I do believe that all of us can consider Emma Henry's mother more than Regina, lets face it she's the Evil Queen.
I understand what you mean, I really do, but I haven't seen any real affection towards Henry from Regina, if you have please let me know where so I can re-watch the whole thing when I can.
ReplyDeleteYou're perfectly right in saying that, legally, Emma has no rights to that child, but an emotional bond can't be given or taken away by a court and neither can biology. If there's a close, familial connection between two people it can't be adjudicated into oblivion. That's where the phrase "they're like family" comes from.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, if Emma is going to be working in law enforcement, making stupid declarative statements in public like "he's my son too," which can't be legally supported, (by paperwork or DNA since she STILL hasn't taken a test) could get her in a world of trouble or be grounds to reconsider her employment.
Okay, the DNA thing is still bugging the hell out of me and I can't seem to stop talking about it. This woman left her job, moved from Boston, had all her things shipped to her, and accepted a new job in a town run by a woman who wants to destroy her because some kid shows up at her door and CLAIMS he's her son. That's it. Henry says he's her son and Emma changes the entire direction of her life. She doesn't even seek out any proof to confirm. No paternity test, nothing. She's been living in a podunk town in the middle of Maine for weeks based solely on the word of a kid whom she believes to be suffering from severe delusions. What the hell!?
cant wait!
ReplyDeleteWhat is your problem here? One of my colleagues was raised in a foster family and they gave him love, education, everything. But he said his biggest wish was to find his real parents. As an adult, a journalist, he decided to find them. Now, he is contact with his BIRTH mom and he didn't regret tracking her down. I don't know if he forgave her and if that is even possible but I do remember him saying how that need, that wanting, was eating him from the inside out all of his life. He needed to know why she gave him up, why she abandoned him. He needed to find her, so he did.
ReplyDeleteI can see how the same applies to Henry here. He obviously IS NOT happy with the mayor as his mother and he had that need to find his REAL mother, the one who shares his blood, his DNA. But this story has more positive sides then that of my colleague. First Henry is just a boy and he can still enjoy spending a part of his childhood with his real mom. Secondly, this is a freakin' fairytale and the boy knows it. He knows that some evil beings, The Queen, Rumplestilskin, somehow influenced the events leading to his adoption, to everything bad that is happening to Storybrooke residents. We shouldn't judge Emma for giving up Henry because her own boy doesn't judge her and besides, we don't know the exact circumstances of why she gave him up in the first place.
And what is up with all the hating on that kid anyway? Why are everyone ganging up on that child actor. If all of you think that he is acting poorly, think again, harder this time. Because if I know anything about acting that kid is pretty damn good. Jennifer Morrison also, she is a fine actress!
Exactly
ReplyDeleteWell, I totally agree about the mother of a child being the person who raised him/her and not the person who gave birth. In real life. BUT, come on, this is a fairy tale show, where we get to see Cinderella and Snow White in flashbacks dancing around at balls. This isn't a cop show, nor it is a drama like Grey's (adoption being an important topic this season).. I don't think the same rules should apply here. As much as I think that the actress doing Regina is fantastic, she's still the villain of the show. She's the one I love to hate. For now at least. So far, she mostly treated Henry as a mere property and we haven't seen any sign of affection toward him from her part. Or toward her from his part. And like someone said somewhere in the comments, we don't know what happened when Emma gave up Henry.
ReplyDeleteI am not hating the child actor but the character as the writers have portrayed him. He is quite simply a brat and it grates on my nerves. As for your friend, he was an adult approaching another adult when he reconnected with his birth mother. I have no issue with that. What I do have an issue with is that Emma, an adult, is sneaking behind another adult's back to hang out with a 10 year old kid and brazenly circumventing that parent's wishes. Henry is not being abused and while he does have parent issues, many kids his age do. Furthermore, according to Emma's own beliefs, Henry is delusional yet she still allows him to disobey his mother, who has known him his whole life, simply because she doesn't like her. Nothing makes this okay in the real world.
ReplyDeleteThat's my issue though. The fairy tale world and the Storybrooke world have been portrayed as separate so the Storybrooke world needs to have some grounding in reality. To say everything is justified because they characters are fairy tale characters even though they don't know it smacks of lazy writing and takes a bigger suspension of belief than fiction traditionally allows. For me, Storybrooke should be more like England in the Harry Potter books. Although magic exists in Harry Potter's London, the rules of reality aren't just chucked out the window. The characters live in two worlds (Muggle and Magic) and both have a firm grounding in their own reality. I'm not saying Storybrooke cannot be different from our world. What I'm saying is that the rules for Stroybrooke seem to be whatever is convenient for the current story. That is doing the plot no favors and hurts the characters. Emma is not from Storybrooke. She more than anyone should understand how the real world works, especially since she worked with law enforcement. She knows that taking another person's child against their parent's wishes is kidnapping and that it has consequences. By not addressing the fact that Emma is dead wrong in most of what she has done, the character comes off as a manipulative, vindictive, self-righteous, bossy witch. The problem is that this is how the Evil Queen is supposed to come off. I want to root for Emma but right now I find everything she does and says distasteful.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Storybrooke storyline demands too great a suspension of disbelief. I have an issue with the fact that the characters don't age - Mary Margaret is basically the same age as her daughter, isn't she? o_o Or did they start to age now that the clock is ticking? ;)
ReplyDeleteDoes Storybrooke even have any contact with the outside world? It would be way more dramatic, tragic even, if the characters, all of them, were subject to real life. I mean, what happens when the curse is broken? Do they stay in US? Do they go back to the fairy tale world? And if so, are they returned to the original state and everything that happened to them in Storybrooke is erased?
I LOVE THIS!!! I've spent the whole day doing a lil' 4-episode marathon of this since all my friends recommended it to me and I'm HOOKED!!!!
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