Question: Will Sam’s hallucinations and troubles with the collapsed wall in his head be a season-long journey on Supernatural? —Mark
Ausiello: “We don’t really plan for that to ever fully go away,” responds exec producer Sera Gamble. “In terms of that being a condition that Sam has, it’s just part of him now. By the end of last week’s episode, he had started to develop ways of coping with it. And the next step in that story is seeing how his attitude changes and how Dean is dealing with it and his worries about it. But what happened to Sam’s head is pretty permanent.”
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Supernatural - Season 7 - Sam's wall issues are permanent
Oct 5, 2011
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I hate getting these small tidbits of info from Sera, because everyone starts freaking out immediately. :/
ReplyDeletean insider wouldnt tell me outright but hinted that the hellucinations with be over for the time being by the end of episode 3, Sam finds some kind of coping mechanism that helps him stop seeing Lucifer. Plus Mark P has not been seen on set for quite a while now. She hinted that its the coping method(s) Sam uses that are th thing to watch out for-whatever that means?! Whatever it is it leaves him in a much stronger position than he fist few episodes, he's functioning and that means hunting which is good. She also said that it looks like Sam will be coping much better than Dean?
ReplyDeleteThis confirms my own thoughs on Sam's hellucinations and his necessity of having to cope with them from the next episode onwards.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the info.
I'm worried. What does she mean by the way Sam's attitude changes? Also something else is bothering me... why does what's going on in Sam's head have to show us how it's affecting Dean? I want to know how it's going to affect SAM and how SAM is dealing with it and what HE is going through for once. I mean this is his head, these are his memories, so... shouldn't we be seeing how this all is affecting Sam and how Sam is dealing with it and what it's doing to Sam, not Dean? I mean we saw how Dean's own Hell affected Dean. Who can forget the big confessional breakdown at the end of Heaven & Hell in S4? I mean, I want insight into Sam and how this is affecting him like that, but apparently we're not gonna get it, are we? *sighs* Why do I get my hopes up every single season only to have them let down. :(
ReplyDeleteI think it's great Sam will find a coping method, but I want to know how Sam feels. I want to know how Sam's own Hell memories are torturing him and affecting him. We saw it with Dean, so are we going to get to see it with Sam? We saw this great big emotional confessional moment from Dean. Are we getting nothing like that from Sam? I'm growing frustrated...
ReplyDeleteI like that the wall won't get magically fixed. But I am rather worried about the line saying his attitude changes...
ReplyDeleteRepetitive and redundant by episode 5...I wish they would just move on.
ReplyDeleteLook at it this way, it will be an interesting storyline to last throughout the whole season. Who doesn't want more Sam-centric episodes anyway? Count me in!
ReplyDeleteYou know what's repetitive and redundant? Seeing Dean emo over it. Seeing how it affects DEAN and not SAM when it should be the other way around. It's interesting how you say that when Mark P hasn't been seen on set since ep 2... So, how exactly are Sam's problems going to be repetitive and redunant, because I'm just DYING to know! I mean you must've seen the episodes by now and obviously know more than the rest of us, right?
ReplyDeleteYou know how it would make this storyline extremely interesting? If they actually showed the story through Sam's eyes and not Dean's for once. If they actually showed how it was affecting *Sam* and how *Sam* feels about it and how *Sam* is worrying about it, not Dean. Just sayin'.
ReplyDeleteYou don't think that's started a little through the hallucinations?
ReplyDeleteA little, but with the way they're laying it on so thick in regards to how Sam's attitude and such is going to be affecting Dean and that Dean is having this big 13-episode long emotional arc coming, it honestly makes me want to tear out my hair, because it sounds to me like we're going to back to where we were. They damaged Sam's character so much because of how much his PoV was ignored and brushed aside to try and make him look like this big mystery. Look how many people hate him now.
ReplyDeleteThey never bothered making Sam out to be a sympathetic character once after Season 3 and it's really destroyed a lot of his characterization and what people think of him or how they look at him. They constantly bring up "Sam choked Dean" but completely ignore the fact that Dean tried to chop Sam's head off with an ax or sliced his throat. All of that is perfectly okay because of the sympathy for the character, but there was none for Sam. I'm rambling now. The point is, is that yes, they did, but if they take that away now to focus on Dean's "emo" then what was the point? I don't trust them (the writers), and they haven't given me enough to earn my trust.
I'm not sure it would go down well with the fandom especially since the seed has already been planted it wouldn't be so much a twist as a huge.... disappointment? Some fans will be expecting it now.
ReplyDeleteForgot to add this to my other post but it could also allow for hauntings by "other" visions. Maybe Cas toward the end of the season. Hell, maybe even Dad could make a cameo in Sam's head. Just as long as they keep it to 2-3 times a season.
ReplyDeleteI understand what you're saying-my biggest worry for this season was that we would only see Sam's hell in terms of how Dean is affected by Sam's latest struggle. It does sound a little like Sam is going to be OK because they need him to be while Dean has his latest angst fest.
ReplyDeleteI'm choosing to stay positive-my theory thus far is that Sam holds the key to stopping the Leviathans via Lucifer. Well I hope so anyway.
same could be said for Dean's arc of angst. Seriously didnt we do this in season 5?
ReplyDeleteI think I am going along with your positive view as long as we get to see it all and from Sams pov. :-)
ReplyDeleteTotally. It really did, and don't get me wrong. I love Dean, but I am so tired of them showing us things that other characters (especially Sam) do and how it affects poor Dean in the end, you know? I mean I am so not up for a rinse and repeat of Season 4 & 5 emo Dean... seriously. I've had enough to last me a lifetime.
ReplyDeleteI want to see Sam react and Sam feel and Sam express emotions for once. I'd like to know how all of Sam's stuff is going to affect HIM in the end, not Dean. SAM. It's like I said, I'm just getting frustrated because I feel Sam is constantly ignored this kind of emotional development/attention/focus as a character... and I HATE it.
I guess. To be honest, I thought this quote was mostly about Sam (there was only half a sentence about Dean). Also, I tend to ignore the "Sam choked Dean" people. If they still haven't gotten over season 4, and they're really not interested in having a rational conversation, then I'm just not that interested in what they have to say.
ReplyDeleteI understand what you're saying. I was just using it as a point. Because we didn't get the PoV back then from Sam and he was used as more of a plot device than an actual character, look how much damage it did to his character. I don't want to see that happening again. I want to see actual focus on Sam Winchester as a character. Not a plot device, not some kind of enigmatic being, but an actual true character with emotions and feelings who also should be allowed to express them as openly as Dean has... that's all...
ReplyDeleteI agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I guess my disagreement is in that I don't think the damage occurred in season 4 so much as the next couple of seasons when Sam's character was left undeveloped. There have been lots of cases where writers have taken a character down a really dark path, just to turn fan opinion around in a few episodes with some really strong character writing. In Lost, Ben was a sociopath who choked to death a fan favorite (John) with his bare hands, but he was sympathetic and everyone was cheering for his redemption arc at the end of the series.
ReplyDeleteAnd I don't think that Sam was ever truly dark. He always had good intentions, which was trying to stop Lilith. Dean also had his dark path, which was becoming a torturer, and now Cas has one too. I just don't think season 4 is all that relevant anymore to most viewers, other than the ones who choose not to move past it because they're determined to keep hating Sam for their own reasons.
Very true.
ReplyDeleteWould really like to see him saving Dean from certain death at the end of the season and "dear old dad" pops up in his cerebellum.
ReplyDeleteI've just been skimming through the last posts and I have come to the conclusion that Sam is the most mysterious character on Supernatural!
ReplyDeleteWe actually know nothing about him, we have only had some superficial indications.
Just to take an example, we know he tends to like girls who are intelligent and brown haired because that's kind we have always seen him paired with in the episodes, but I don't ever remember him talking about what he likes in a girl.
We know everything about Dean's preferences as he has always voiced them during the seasons, he likes them with experience, he likes them well-endowed etc., etc,.
We don't know what kind of clothes Sam likes. Sure he's always dressed in flannel and jeans but does he have any preferences? Dean's always going on about how he hates suits and ties.
What tv shows does he like? Dean likes hospital dramas especially Dr. Sexy, we even know that Bobby likes "Tory and Dean," but Sam?
Dean spends alot of time talking to Bobby about his worries over Sam but does Sam ever open up to Bobby when he's worried about Dean.?
We know Dean loves kids, what about Sam? He has never expressed an opinion.
Does Sam get pleasure out of killing monsters or does he do it because that's his life now?
Dean has often expressed his pleasure in "ganking those sons of bitches" so we know he how he feels!
I know these are rather superficial observations but I think if one took the time to analyse all the episodes, it would be true for the more important things too, and confirm the fact that Sam remains basically a mystery man.
So I agree that it's time we got to understand him a little better.
I wonder if Dean himself really knows his brother as well as he thinks he does!
You know what I think would be totally awesome? If in the season finale it turned out it was all Sam's hallucinations after all and he really has still been in the cage all this time, tortured by Lucifer. Then they could drag him out of hell again, Cas wouldn't go power crazy and we could have another shot at season 6. A better one, i believe. Now THAT would be a twist.
ReplyDeletethink about how scared and doubting of himself he's been in the first two episodes-now think how his attitude could change-I'm seeing a more pro-active, more positive and determined Sam. Trying to deal with the problem rather than ignore it or let it control him. I'm choosing to be positive.
ReplyDeleteThis, I agree with. They need to restore the balance, for the sake of having a show that will be enjoyable for the sane moderate middle.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it'll just rear its ugly head in more stressful or inopportune times. Maybe four or five episodes down the road when in a life-or-death situation. When you least expect it. Or maybe even causing harm or death to an innocent. I think the possibilities are endless.
ReplyDeleteI don't see this being something repetitive that happens every single episode, but I do see this as something that will cling to Sam forever because he experienced it for 180 years. I don't know how anybody can just expect him to pop up and be fine after three episodes into the season and never have to worry about the aftermath of that wall coming down. It's like expecting a soldier to come home from the war and now that he's home, he'll just be just fine! He'll be dandy, jolly good! No, I'm sorry but realistically? That just isn't possible.
ReplyDeleteI'm a little hopeful about the "attitude changes" comment. Throughout this series we've seen Sam fear a "monster" inside him. This just leads to a cycle of beating himself up and running away from who he is. And we got yet more self-flagellation in Unforgiven when he felt it necessary to take blame for everything he did while he was soulless. The ironic thing is that the bad guys aren't always on the wrong side of things on this show. We've seen sympathetic demons, the angels aren't so pure, and the Horseman Death has evolved into a fan favorite. I wouldn't mind Sam embracing the darker side of himself as long as he doesn't lose himself in the process. When Dean has his bad-ass moments, everyone cheers.
ReplyDeleteIt's like I just told Frank, I don't see this happening to Sam in every single episode, but how you could expect him to just automatically be okay three episodes in, and saying goodbye to Lucifer (over whatever he experienced in Hell) forever I just don't get, because it's unrealistic. It's like asking a solider who's come home from the war or who's been found and was once a prisoner of war to be perfectly okay after being home for a time. It's silly and unrealistic because he's not going to be, and neither is Sam. 180 years? Yeah that's going to affect him for the rest of his life, regardless of how much you or anybody else doesn't want him to be affected by it, he will be because *that* is realistic and human. I also doubt we're going to see Lucifer in every single episode either considering Mark hasn't filmed since ep 2, but Sam's reactions and such might suggest what he's seeing. Doesn't mean we'll see it too.
ReplyDeleteplus it makes Sam appear as a Plot device rather than an actual character. The series has increasingly become about what other characters do and how it affect Dean. I think it would be nice for Dean to 'DO' and Sam to 'REACT' and' FEEL' for a change.
ReplyDeleteI hear you and I agree with what you're saying. I don't think it occurred in Season 4 either, BUT I do think that it began in Season 4 from the time we found out Sam was sleeping with Ruby until we found out about the demon bleed. It just got worse. Then on into Season 5 and it was even made into something worse come Season 6 and the soullessness.
ReplyDeleteEven though Sam got his redemption arc by jumping into Hell and taking Lucifer with him, it still isn't good enough to some or it was a selfish act (which I'm still trying to figure out how giving up your life for the entire world and that world including your brother and his surrogate family is exactly selfish...), or that Sam's Hell stuff was all brought on all on his own, so it's his fault that he's suffering, yadda yadda, etc...
The thing is is that they showed Dean sympathetic. They showed Cas sympathetic. They did not show sympathetic, otherwise I can't see how he'd have grown so many haters from S4 on... obviously as a Sam girl, I do feel sympathy toward the character and look at him and his actions in a completely different manner than a lot do, but still... even now he gets hated on because it's possible that his time in Hell could've been worse than Dean's... it's just crap like that.
I'm sure Castiel is not out of the picture.
ReplyDeleteHe has probably gone off to regroup, but there's no doubt in my mind that he will turn up sooner or later.
After all in the first 11 episodes of season 6 he was hardly ever present in any of them, and look how that season finished up :-)
During season 6 the wall falling in Sam's head was made out to be a really big catastrophic deal and It would clearly have been wrong for the situation to have been resolved with just a pat on the back.
ReplyDeleteIt's also clear that Sam can't be permanently handicapped with Lucifer illusions as the two brothers have only each other to depend on now, and so I am sure the writers will have worked something out, starting from the next episode.
I think that at least two episodes devoted to Sam's hell problems was right and fitting in order to emphasize the gravity of them.
Poor Sammy! This is gonna be very interesting ...
ReplyDeleteI'm actually quite happy with this piece of news. I think mending the wall would have been unrealistic: Hell happened, Sam remembers it and now he has to deal with the consequences, the same way Dean has been doing since S4. I am interested and a little apprehensive to see how they'll keep going with it however. I think that they can't maintain the current hallucinations/loss of reality that they've kicked off with. For a start, it would make for boring TV, and for a second, it would mean that the character of Sam would become static, almost like he's caught in a time loop. What I hope and expect to happen is that Sam will slowly develop coping mechanisms, and that his time in hell, while always there and always a part of him, will fade into the background of the show, allowing the Winchesters to get back to what they do best: saving people and hunting things.
ReplyDeleteEDITED because I got the Winchester's creed very wrong the first time I wrote this!
Lol! Actually no! Thanks for pointing it out though, I'll go back and edit. :)
ReplyDeleteI think Dean's coping mechanism is finally catching up to him and he's going to have to start facing a lot of what he's been repressing.
ReplyDeleteWell, hopefully they'll find a way for Sam to deal with it like they did Dean (through copious amounts of alcohol) that doesn't drag the story down and make Sam a permanent victim. I like my Winchesters to be heroes, not victims. I never want to look at either of them and think they can't rise above their problems. Nope. They have to save the world -- again. Can't do that if your mind is trashed and you can't do it if you're distracted by someone whose mind is trashed. Sam needs to get a handle on it and move on so Dean can stop worrying about his brother breaking like china and get on with fighting the big bads. If that means Sam has to join Dean in daily cocktail hours, so be it. If it works for one Winchester, it should work for the other. Cheers!
ReplyDeleteYou want to know what else is also repetitive and redundant? Another back from hell and suffering from PTSD storyline.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad that the writers are not just gonna give Sam some more "magical amnesia". But I think they should at least do away with the hallucinations: Lucifer was fun in the first two episodes but I don't think I will be able to stand him for a whole season or beyond.
ReplyDeleteThey could take away the hallucinations and give him some other way to cope with his Hell memories, like occasional lapses or nightmares like Season 1.
Then maybe they can have him move on, slowly but surely.
Only then maybe, they can be truly, even if not entirely - character growth and all - back to the Sam and Dean we first met and fell in love with.
Please, no. I do not want to see Sam hallucinating for an entire season. It's already starting to become a bit tedious. A few episodes is fine, but if they plan to continue this aspect of Sam's story, then it's going to get old and boring fast. Honestly, by the second episode I was pretty much ready to move on.
ReplyDeleteAs for Dean's secret, I don't think it's going to be as bad as it sounds. At least I hope it's not.
Maybe Sam won't specifically have hallucinations. This spoiler may indicate another wall issue that will be permanent. I remember a post or an article claiming that Sera stated that the hallucinations will be resolved by episode 4. Whatever the case, this season has been great so far and I have faith in the writers and what they decide to do.
ReplyDeleteIt's realistic, but it could get boring pretty quick, if they're not careful. Especially if it is disconnected from the storylines.
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with Sam being broken and even though I'm not really excited of more angels coming, what upsets me is this Dean secret. I don't like it and I'm actually dreading what it might be. What at this point can be so serious? I'm scared. And not in a good way.
ReplyDeleteWe will have to agree to disagree because the angels stopped being fun for me in season 4. There was the occasional bright spot - Changing Channels, Gabe in Hammer of the Gods, a couple of times Balthy flew in, but other than that the angels have been a royal drag to the show to me.
ReplyDeleteI love the idea of permanently crazy Sammy, but its so sad
ReplyDeleteKnowing absolutely nothing about this kind of psychological trauma, I'm wondering if this is similar to a split personality - where the crazy continues until the person is ready to start remembering and dealing with the truth?
ReplyDeleteWell, shoot! I'm not sure what I think of this. It's understandable, I realized, but I don't want injured messed Sam all the time. I don't Dean keeping secrets again. I won't quit watching. I'm a die hard fan, but keep the new coming, like you promised, Sera.
ReplyDeleteThe angels are usually fun.
ReplyDeleteI love the idea that its permanent but...I guess what I'm having trouble with is understanding how much of a connection there is between the hallucinations and what happened to Sam in the pit. I think it's because when I hear terms like 'bleed' then I expect some aspects of the way we're seeing Sam's brain breakage to include memories (or interpretations) of what happened to him in the cage. In addition to what we've seen so far this season. I'm having a problem being certain I'm getting what the writers are saying with this story line. There's just some story elements that I don't want to question; I just want to experience.
ReplyDeleteAnd I hope that made at least a little sense.
This could either be good or bad. If this becomes like an old scar that makes him a little tougher and adds character, then it could be good. If he stays in the passive victim mode for too long I'll be done with this soon. Even though the hell effects will be around for a while, I can't imagine them keeping the Lucifer hallucinations for long. Maybe Sam will start to remember more and that will make his brain stop hallucinating?
ReplyDeleteAlthough it seems likely that a hunter would acquire some permanent war wounds during their career, this particular ailment is sure to turn out to be more annoying than it is endearing.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure either^^; I guess it can be good or bad, we'll see how it turn out. I don't want Luci in every episode forever, but I guess Sam can still have some trouble once in a while but learn to deal with his problem. Some people with mentals problem can learn to live a normal life, I hope Sammy will learn
ReplyDeleteYes! I love this idea. Broken!Sammy forever FTW!
ReplyDeleteI think the audience has always been split on this. Some people have never wanted Sam's hell story to last for longer than an episode, if that long, and others want it to play itself out for as long as it needs.
ReplyDeleteThat's an interesting theory. After the Unforgiven scene, and the line by Sam that those few moments had felt like a week, I had wondered if Sam had not just remembered, his consciousness had jumped back into the pit.
ReplyDeleteOuchie! But this could be good. Being permanent, doesnt necessarily mean Luci shows up everyday.. just every now and then :)
ReplyDeleteI sure hope that last line was deliberately switched? :P
ReplyDeleteI seem to see a hint of pessimism going through this thread but I really can't understand the reason.
ReplyDeleteI remember before Season 7 started, everyone was agreed that Sam's hell
experiences shouldn't be pooh-poohed away as if they were nothing, and
now, only two GREAT episodes in, people are saying that they should be
completely trashed and forgotten.
I think you gotta have some faith in the writers here: we don't know
what they have in store and the reality has always been different from
what we expected!
Sam will obviously learn to control his hallucinations to some measure,
and be able to give his contribution in ganking monsters and
team-tagging with Dean!
I hope that they can cut down on all this whiskey drinking.
I understand that their life-style would "drive you to drink" but they
don't have to show them downing booze in every scene; we get it... !!!
I, myself, hate meta episodes but the majority of people seem to like them .
They have now become a trade-mark of this show, and I doubt we will get through the season without one or two of them.
Let's just hope the bride-groom thing will not be too cringe-worthy.
On the plus side we will get a 1944 time travel episode:-)
As far as angels are concerned, I hope never to see them again!
They are such pains in the neck, give me a eeeeeeevil demon any day!!
Come back "original Meg" and Alastair, all is forgiven!
I think the angel involvement will be simply Dean summoning an Angel to ask for information about Castiel.
ReplyDeleteMy opinion is that similar to how Dean saw demon's true visage In NRFTW, that Sam may actually experiencing the same thing. He may actually be seeing the pit, not just mentally but with his eyes so what everyone might believe are hallucinations they are actually him viewing into Lucifer's Cage. Such as Lucifer is able to manipulate his soul by some connection. There was a line mentioned about that in Hello, Cruel World. Just my 2 cents..
ReplyDeleteI feel that the wedding is just a meta style poke at previous shows, such as Charmed, etc. I really dislike the fact that Sam is broken because the fanboy in me wishes Castiel had taken both Michael and Lucifer out while he still had the power.
ReplyDeleteI am guessing though that since the Leviathan tend to feed they might come across something this year that hurts them. They are a very unique Big Bad and I think the suspensful way they are showing the episodes really is a step up from last years story telling.
Or likely is the fact Castiel is "the Boss" and may be the power to actually bring those things down. Of course Chuck could always make a cameo. Wishful thinking though!
Agreed to the thousandth degree. I was looking forward to being done with this drama by the 6th episode and saying goodbye to Lucifer forever. He was good in these two episodes but he's starting to be like 3 day old fish.
ReplyDeleteIt's a good thing the first two episodes of season 7 were so awesome because all these spoilers just keep getting worse. One of the brothers is a groom - blah....unless it becomes BWAH! Sammy is permanently broken - urgh! Dean keeping secrets - bah! More angels - I can't think of a one syllable sound to quite capture my disgust. It's a good thing the writers of this show regularly exceed my expectations or I would be quite bummed at where this season is headed.
ReplyDeleteagreed
ReplyDeleteI mean he was tortured by Lucifer and Michael. I wonder if we'll ever get a Michael hallucination. I doubt it though, they would have to use Young John, because I just don't think people want to see Adam. But Sam never saw Michael as Young John.
ReplyDeleteImagine an episode where both Lucifer and Michael are tormenting Sam.
Aww, poor Sammy. This is good, though. I'm glad they're not planning on making it disappear. That would feel really cheap. I hope Sam is still able to hunt... But I'm not too worried. He is a Winchester, and they're made of pretty strong stuff!
ReplyDeleteMr. Horse said it best. "No sir, I don't like it."
ReplyDeleteYay!! As much as feel bad for poor Sammy, I'm glad that the writers aren't going to just make his problems magically go away.
ReplyDeleteLOL. That sounds really sadistic. You made me smile (in a good way) :)
ReplyDeleteI was wondering about how the writers meant to conclude this storyline in a few episodes. Making it a life-long problem make a lot more sense to me. I wonder where this will go throughout the season.
ReplyDeleteAwesome, it would seem to easy to just get rid of it by season's end, makes more sense for it to be a life-long problem that he has to deal with.
ReplyDeleteInteresting. This could be good but this could be bad.
ReplyDeletePoor Sam
ReplyDeleteYou wanna know what's even more repetitive and redudant? You Dean girls' constant bitterness and complaints over the same thing in nearly every single thread that has anything remotely to do with Sam being in the cage with Lucifer.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, I think a lot of their personal tastes that we know about with both Sam and Dean were built around their childhood roles and the trauma following YED killing their mother and infecting Sam with demon blood. Dean likes the Impala and classic rock because that's what his father liked. He dresses like his father, and even wore his old leather jacket. He loves pie because his mother gave him pie, and he wants a family because he lost his family at a young age. Sam went the opposite route. He reads books because that was a way out of the family business. He likes technology and gadgets because his father was old-school. Family doesn't mean as much to him as it does to Dean because Sam doesn't remember his mother. He idolized Ghandi because Ghandi represented the opposite of what he was trying to run away from (the anger/violence of the hunting world and his demon blood).
ReplyDeleteI think the big difference here is that in the past few years we've seen a lot more emphasis put on who Dean will be moving forward, whereas Sam's personal development seemed to stall somewhere around season 4. That's probably because Sam's ultimate role in the five-year arc was to die. He had to give up his dream of having a normal life and accept that his destiny was tied to Lucifer. On the other hand, Dean had to learn to start living his own life and to learn to let Sam die. But that arc is over - the boys have new beginnings - so it's time to start moving Sam's character forward as well.
I know I'm jumping into this conversation a bit late, but I want to discuss this topic as well, but in a different light.
ReplyDeleteI came into this series a bit late, and by the time I caught up it was in Season 6, March break. I love Sam and Dean, and I had absolutely no problem understanding Sam in Seasons 4 and 5. So I was very shocked when I came across such cruel and harsh comments against Sam, every rude comment offended me, but I didn't answer them because I knew they wouldn't listen. Posters like that stick by their decisions. After a lot of thinking, I've come up with 4 reasons why someone wouldn't get Sam in Seasons 4 and 5.
1. They were too into Dean and his pain to even try and understand Sam.
2. They were too busy watching Sam do mistakes, and just weren't able to read between the lines and see Sam's P.O.V.
3. They just don't understand Sam period, or maybe their older siblings that understood Dean and were angered at what Sam was doing to him.
4. They didn't get enough of Sam's P.O.V to understand, which is what you, and many others, agree on.
I, however, disagree as I was able to fully understand Sam through Seasons 4 and 5. Sam was constantly shown to be worrying about Dean and his actions were partly to help Dean, as he saw Dean was suffering after coming back from Hell. He tried to explain but Dean just didn't understand his situation, and with good reason. He was shown constantly as a character struggling between right and wrong, with no clear path in front of him. I greatly sympathized with him in Season 4, as I thought every fan would have too. In Season 5, he apologizes over and over, and pays the price for his actions. By this time, I fully understood him like I feel any fan that wasn't biased should have. He didn't know Lilith was the final seal, he just wanted to end the apocalypse, and believe that he wasn't a monster. He wanted to use his powers for good. I sympathized and felt for him all the way.
After Season 5, fans who still complain about Sam should just stop! He paid the price dearly for his mistakes, and fans who STILL don't understand him are just too narrow-minded to try and understand Sam. All the hate in posts didn't help with this problem either. I was heart broken to see those comments at the beginning, every one of them was a punch to the heart. Now, I'm just tired. I never meant to write such a long post, but after reading hundreds of these negative posts and keeping my mouth shut through every single one, I had to let everything out.
So, in conclusion, if you don't understand Sam by now, you are dumb (no offense)....
I agree with you and everything you have to say, believe me, but you will never get Sam haters to see it your way or my way or our way. They're set in their ways that Sam is a very very bad man and a horrible character. If that's how they want things to be, then let them. Now they're furious because he has a Hell arc... nice huh? It's just something else for them to use as ammunition to attack him. Most fans who are horrible about Sam or don't understand him are dumb, but unfortunately you're going to run into that in this fandom. However *I* personally feel that Sam wasn't shown and given the PoV that Dean has been given, and that's my beef with this show. 2 episodes in to S7, and I'm still worried he's going to be neglected as a character. I can't change how I feel.
ReplyDeleteI completely understand your opinion, and my post wasn't written to change your opinion either. I just wanted to post my thoughts on these people who call themselves fans, and then go bash one of the main characters for no good reason. I agree with you completely on the most part :)
ReplyDeleteProbably. Either facing things or start treatment for kidney/liver failure. :)
ReplyDeletepoor sammy :(
ReplyDeleteKinda like how people are sick of Dean's self-pity and emo-ing about? Yeah, must be kinda like that.
ReplyDeleteAnyone else think that the coping mechanism that helps is him cutting or harming himself or something?
ReplyDeleteTo be honest I'm bored with the Sam crap already, so I think I'm gonna stop watching it finally.
really? even after showing it as a possibility, I'd never expect they could actually go there and do it. seriously, I'd be shocked. I know it'll never happen, but i still think it would be great. Of course, if they wanted to do it, they would've probably never talked about it on the screen before to make it a bigger shock.
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