JENSEN ACKLES DIRECTS --- Dean (Jensen Ackles) is furious after Sam (Jared Padalecki) disappears to follow a lead on a case with clues that are identical to a case Sam solved as a kid. The demon turns out to be Amy (guest star Jewel Staite), who has been killing low-life thugs and taking their brains for dinner - the same demon Sam found as a kid. Jensen Ackles directed the episode written by Andrew Dabb & Daniel Loflin.
Source: CW
Supernatural - Episode 7.03 - The Girl Next Door - Official Synopsis
15 Sept 2011
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Cannot wait!
ReplyDelete:) can't wait to see how jensen did this time around
ReplyDelete*__*!!! AND TO BE THE 23th!!! Less than 10 days away now!!
I know in reality Sam is running off without Dean so Jensen can direct... But, I can't wait to find out why Sam runs off this time in the show. Will it be like Hunted? Maybe Dean wants him to take it easy because of his flash backs and Sam wants to charge ahead.
ReplyDeleteI know this is going to get some people mad at Sam again, but I am so looking forward to Season 7!!!!
Cool, we haven't had many decent Sam episodes in a long while. Sam has usually been overshadowed by Dean/Cas angst.
ReplyDeleteThe demon is only killing thugs? I know they will have to kill it, but the thugs are no big loss.
If it is half as good as Weekend at Bobby's, we are in for a treat.
ReplyDeleteSo she was part of Azazel's gang?
ReplyDeleteI am so anxious to see this one. I love anything Jensen does. He is a good director. I look forward to see he handled directing himself more. He said t was harder.
ReplyDeleteI think Sam is doing this to prove himself capable of hunting. We know these first two eps are gonna be hard on him. He may feel smothered and wanting to prove he's not some messed up, crazy person and I dont blame him if this turns out to be the case.
ReplyDeleteI'm wondering if Sam will ever start thinking of anybody but himself. He's got to know that Dean's worried sick about him, and yet he runs away. Did he stop to consider that this will only add to Dean's stress and worry if he wakes up and finds his brother gone?
ReplyDeleteIf Sam feels the need to prove himself, he's 27 years old. Its up to him to sit down and talk to Dean about why he feels the need to do just that.
If Sam's psyche is as fragile as its supposed to be then maybe Dean has a point if he doesn't think Sam should hunt unsupervised.
Oh, gag me. I thought Sam was supposed to have learned not to run away and run around with monster women back in S5. And even though Sam does both, Dean's going to be the one blamed for what goes down. Can we say Fallen idols 2?
ReplyDeleteIf Sam wants to do stuff his way, he can hunt by himself.
I think they're trying to have it both ways even though it doesn't make ANY sense. Sera wants Sam to be a MUCH better hunter and survivor of Hell while still not being responsible for any of his actions in regards to how he treats Dean, who will be inevitably cast as "bullying" and "making decisions" for the "helpless" woobie.
ReplyDeleteIf Sam wants to do thing his way all the time, he can hunt by himself. After all, what would such an AMAZING hunter want with someone he views as weak, rusty, shady, stupid and bullying? Sam can take care of his own bloody self!
Seven seasons in and Sam is still running away like an adolescent? This is ridiculous. I know that, as usual, the show will somehow try to whitewash Sam's actions and make it Dean's fault that Sam ran away on him because whenever Sam does anything wrong or treats Dean with total disrespect and absolutely no consideration whatsoever for his feelings or what he's going through they always try to somehow "blame the victim"(aka Dean).
ReplyDeleteSam's at least 28 years old in the show's universe(he should actually be at least 29 but the show tends to forgot what year it's supposed to in). It stopped being admirable, independent or cute when he was doing it 6 years ago.
It's not heroic. It's not respectful. It's not adult. It's just selfish, it's totally self-absorbed. The show's writers can try to pretend otherwise, but that's what it is and trying to blame it on Dean or making Dean apologize for "forcing" Sam into such a course of action doesn't change that..
I have no doubt that is what will happen. Dean's storyline this season is supposed to be worrying about Sam but I guess he will be painted as a bossy overbearing brother, and that he was wrong to worry about Sam.
ReplyDeleteI would love to see the show take a bold approach and not have Dean run after Sam, Let Sam deal with the consequences on his own.
I think what makes it worse is knowing that Dean is probably going to be put on trial in the next episode for it. And the show's attitude is going to be "Oh, yeah, Dean sucks but what can you do? Besides, he can't die now, he has to atone for the rest of his life the presumption of daring to have any other feeling than complete and utter dependence & love for Sammeh."
ReplyDeleteGawds but Sam has such a hard life, what with a brother who actually gives a crap about him. Dean really didn't learn anything from Sam's example back in season 5 when Sam left him to suffer through his PTSD alone and went off to do his own thing. Hell Sam told Dean outright that it was Dean's fault Sam had to run off with Ruby who, let's face it, was much less bossy and told Sam how strong and smart he was all the time. Dean really needs to do better if he doesn't want to drive Sam into ending the world again.
ReplyDeleteIf Dean was as good a brother as Sam, he would have dumped his ass with Bobby and taken off to find Castiel or maybe just found himself a nice monster to bang. No wonder they will be putting Dean on trial in the very next episode. He certainly needs to examine his priorities and learn once more, just how awesome Sam is.
Oh, dear, it's not Sam's fault that he's Lennie Of Mice and Men and Dean's stuck being George and having to deal with all the fallout. =)
ReplyDeleteIf Sam wants to prove he's capable, maybe starting with running away isn't such a good idea. That's something a teenage does when he's mad about not getting his own way.
ReplyDeleteSounds to me like this case may be something Sam feels compelled to deal with. Maybe he wants to prove to Dean (and himself) that he can still function even though his wall is broken.
ReplyDeleteDon't you know nothing is ever Sam's fault. There's always something or someone else to blame, like demon blood or Dean, or Sam being manipulated, or Dean or someone was mean to Sam, or Dean.
ReplyDeleteI agree. If Dean is such a trial that Sam has to run away from him (a grown man, having to run away, ridiculous), then Sam should just say it and stop stringing Dean along like he has any respect or caring for Dean. Because treating someone who has been worried sick over you and terrified over your well being like this, is just horrible and mean. So much for Sam being the "sensitive" one. I guess he's sensitive to everyone BUT the person who deserves it the most.
ReplyDeleteI just hate that this is Dean's only story this season, worrying about Sam. Episode 2, Dean's worrying over Sam. Episode 3, Dean's mad that Sam ran off and he's worrying about Sam. And now, Dean's going to get bashed for it as well.
This is why I do not believe in the so called brother bond anymore.
Then why doesn't he just tell Dean that? Running away makes Sam look like a petulant teenager no matter how its spun.
ReplyDeleteJewel Staite plays a vigilante demon? Hell, I like this episode already.
ReplyDeletePlease. Sam's attracting and attraction to the worst possible women is the greatest running gag on this show. They should literally make it a joke. Old ladies, demons, werewolves, obsessed genre nerds - it's all inclusive, AND it's hilarious. Keep 'em coming.
ReplyDeleteI'd laugh if Sam was the only one who got his butt kicked from this "hilarious" habit. I can't laugh when he chokes Dean and runs off with one and promised he'd learned his lesson. Well, maybe I can laugh at how soft in the head Sam is and how much of a joke it makes him and if the show would laugh at him and acknowledge it.
ReplyDeleteI can laugh. It's the most real, raw, human element to the show - guys are stupid about women and, despite their best efforts, tend to repeat patterns of behavior.
ReplyDeleteUnless season seven is all about Sam on a shrink's couch, it's going to keep happening, just like Dean is going to keep killing himself with booze. (if Bobby doesn't beat him to it)
Maybe he's made out of Teflon & Kevlar? In any case, if he wants a monster girlfriend that badly, I say they should let him go and have a monster family.
ReplyDeleteAnd Jeez, he falls for a Ruby clone? A RUBY clone, after everything that went down? The only thing between his ears is a big lump of fat.
We don't know yet that he doesn't tell Dean that - because the episode hasn't aired. I'm just saying have patience :)
ReplyDeleteThere's being dumb & horny and then there's masochistically suicidal in that he's not just swooning over a regular woman but a Ruby clone. A brunette demon who'll try to say that she's a demon with a heart of gold? A dunce cap for Sam is in order. Now if Bobby would say to Sam, "Stop thinking with the head between your legs, you dumb idjit and stop trying to stroke out your brother," THEN I'd laugh instead of rolling my eyes.
ReplyDeleteAnd if it goes down just like we say, you will acknowledge that Sam's got only pudding in his brain cavity?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't matter if he does tell Dean or not. Either he respects Dean enough to stay, or he doesn't. Grown ups don't "run away" to "prove themselves". Sometimes they have to deal with the fact that they can't do everything they want to do. Dean's had to deal with it, why not Sam?
ReplyDeleteSam's the jerk who used Dean's own time in Hell(which everyone and their sister is crying "but Sam's was SO MUCH WORSE!!!") as an excuse to to lie to him, sneak off on him and betray him because of course, having been to Hell and dealing with the fall out made Dean "weak" and Sam was out to prove how much stronger and tougher he was. So now Sam does the exactly same thing he did then(sneak off try to "prove" how much tougher and stronger) when HE is the one dealing with Hell(so much worse a Hell, remember)? Yet either way, Dean's in the wrong.
If this show had any sense, they'd have Sam leave, get into serious trouble, need to get saved by Dean and then have to apologize for it, FINALLY, for ONCE.
But no it's going to yet another episode where Sam runs away and saves the day and suffers no ill consequences for his selfish actions, at least none that aren't somehow blamed on Dean in the end and which Dean will end up having to atone for and apologize for.
There is point blank no excuse for Sam running off to do this, not at his age. I don't care how much he wants to prove himself. The only two times Dean tried to leave(and not even to prove himself) Dean was told and shown in no uncertain terms that he was very wrong to do so, but because it's Sam, apparently it's just fine. Because yeah, that makes all kind of sense.
"masochistically suicidal" is a near-perfect description of what a hunter is so therein lies your answer.
ReplyDeleteWhich would be fine if he would stop dragging his partner into it. Sam getting eaten because he's stupid, fine. Sam causing Dean & Bobby problems because he's stupid, not so much.
ReplyDeleteSam's not the only one guilty of dragging people into his crap and that's my point. All of these hunters have done it.
ReplyDeleteWhether it's a psychic, a sheriff, a wife, or a single mom and her kid, they all get pulled in and their lives are always worse because of it.
Being around a hunter is like getting an incurable virus. Sam isn't special here.
Thank you for reminding me of viruses. Maybe Sam will get another dose of the clap. I think that would be funny.
ReplyDeleteJewel Staite!!! :D
ReplyDeleteSpoiler ALERT
ReplyDeleteMet Jewel right after she finished filming this episode said Jensen is a wonderful director they have been friends for years so she was glad to work with him
Spoiler ALERTMet Jewel right after she finished filming this
ReplyDeleteepisode said Jensen is a wonderful director they have been friends for
years so she was glad to work with him
I'm glad to see the independent streak back. If history is any indication, Sam probably told Dean about it, Dean ordered him not to go, but Sam did what he needed to do. Dean can be overprotective, but Sam also has to make his own decisions. As others have pointed out, he's an adult. That means he gets an equal say in what they do. It sound like Sam really cared about Amy.
ReplyDeleteI'm also looking forward to seeing Sam's interactions with Amy. It's been too long since we've seen Sam with old "friends."
I see that the Sam haters are ready to crucify Sam even before the episode airs!!! Surprise!!! (not...)
ReplyDeleteIf Sam wants so much to be independent, then he should hunt by himself.
ReplyDeleteAnd if he insists on doing what he wants, then Dean shouldn't be asked by anybody to take care of Sam or be the big brother or be told to take care of Sam due to the stupid wall thing or be blamed for whatever Sam does out of eyeshot. I'd like the show to stop trying to have it both ways.
My guess its not about him proving that he can function, but that he really cared about this girl. It's like Let It Bleed, when Sam tried to talk Dean off his demon torturing session, saying that Dean was running off of nothing but caffeine and whiskey, but Dean felt compelled to continue because he felt responsible for what happened to Lisa and Ben. Dean didn't take Sam's advice and sure enough got tired and messed up. He would have been killed had Cas not shown up when he did. They both need to do what they need to do.
ReplyDeleteNo one's asked Dean to take care of Sam since Sam was a child. Sam and Dean hunt together because they both want it that way. I also didn't read anything here about anyone blaming Dean.
ReplyDeleteIt's Sera Gamble, of course Dean is going to be blamed and what do you think episode 4 is going to be about. Dean on trial and what's the biggest crime on the show for Dean? Being a bad brother.
ReplyDeleteI don't think this is about Sam wanting a relationship with Amy so much as it's about Sam feeling some personal responsibility for a decision he made earlier in life. Just like Dean was reckless in trying to get Lisa and Ben back (saying "it's on" him) by continuing to go after demons when he was in no shape to do so, Sam can get a little reckless when it comes to his own history.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea how ep 4 will play out, but my best guess is that it will relate to what Death said to Dean - about how the Winchesters' violations of the natural order have caused disruption on a global scale.
ReplyDeleteAll I see is pointless angst over a Ruby clone. If Sam has that hardcore of a preference for demon ladies then Dean should throw up his hands and say, "Just go, just go with her! Just stop sneaking around and lying. If that's what you really need, just go!"
ReplyDeleteI doubt it. If Death has a beef with Dean, Death can handle his own business. Also it would make Dean important if a God was judging him on something cosmic. I'm sure it will be about his teeny, tiny, unimportant life. Osiris isn't looking much more upscale than the Christmas gods.
ReplyDeleteI agree. We're long overdue for a good, personal Sam episode. I really miss seeing Sam interact on a personal level with characters other than Dean and Bobby.
ReplyDeleteReally looking forward to this episode.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that Colin Ford is in it, already puts it high on my episode meter.
He is really such a cutie and portrays young Sam so well.
If Jensen directs it half as well, as he did Week-end at Bobby's it is sure to be awesome.
Jensen did say that it was a much more difficult episode to direct as it had something like 80 odd scenes in contrast to WEAB's which had only aroud 50-60 and that he had more acting as Dean in it too.
I'm also curious to hear John and young Dean again even although we only get to hear them over the 'phone.
Jewel playing a demon? Excellent.
ReplyDeleteLooks like Hunted v.2.0. Who wants to bet Sam will save the day and the show will blame Dean on Sam's disappearance?
ReplyDeleteThe show said sam isn't right in the head and can't tell reality from hallusination. How can he *prove* anything? he can't think straight. He needs a doctor not to sneak behind Dean's back again.
ReplyDeleteCan Sam learn a thing? Or he's bound to make the same mistakes over and over again?
Yep, the judgements are out before seeing the episode. Minds are already made up.
ReplyDeleteSince when is an adult required to do what they are told (unless it is by law enforcement). Why do some people equate Sam making his own decisions to betrayal?
If Sam said "Dean, don't go off and say yes to Michael." Is Dean expected to just go "Sure. I know you care about me and are trying to save the world... so you are right?" No, he makes his own decision, then leaves. Of course, on the show he was dragged back... but if Sam didn't have Castiel what would he have done? He could either go there and support Dean, beat the crap out of him (if he can), or leave Dean and the world to their fate. All he would have to do at that point is resist Lucifer on his own with only Bobby and Castiel for support.
Adults make their own decisions unless forced or convinced otherwise. I don't still listen to my mommy unless I agree with her.
If a man decides to run into a burning building to save a stranger and his brother orders him not to, is it childish to do it anyway... or brave?
Sam goes off to hunt something that he solved as a kid. He probably feels like this is a nice, simple hunt that can ease him back into things. If Dean doesn't think he is ready, that doesn't make it a fact. Sometimes you have to take a leap of faith... or forever fail.
Dean is furious because he is afraid for Sam... that doesn't mean that he doesn't know (at least after the fact). It wouldn't surprise me if Sam doesn't want Dean with him in case Sam can't handle himself. It is better to find out if he can handle the hunt on his own (in my opinion of course)...
What would people think of Sam if he tried to go on a hunt with Dean and Dean got hurt because Sam had a freak out... Besides the fans crucifying Sam, Sam would probably kill himself with guilt.
I say, carpe diem Sam!
No she is the daughter (or infected by) a monster Sam hunted when he was a teenager. Apparently they had a "thing" back then.
ReplyDeleteThat's the way he is at the start of the season. By episode 3 he may feel he is "ok". They could skip months between the two episodes that resolve the Castiel issue (at least temporarily) and this episode. Just like Dean went from the ICU at the end of On the Head of a Pin to fine in the next episode... and Sam went from shredded arms and bleeding out at the end of Jump the Shark to looking just fine when burning Adam's body. We don't know the time table yet.
ReplyDeleteSammyWsGirl I agree. If he tried to hunt with Dean and really wasn't read, Dean could get hurt. Also, if he hunted with Dean, Dean might be even more stressed trying to protect Sam, potential victims, and kill the bad guy / girl.
ReplyDeleteIt could also be a long enough time after the wall came down that Sam feels he is ready for it. If Dean doesn't, how long should he wait? Maybe Sam and Dean argue about it for weeks before Sam takes off... We won't know until the episode.
Sam disappears AGAIN? Oh, come on! Doesn't he know how much Dean worries about him, especially now? When you argue with someone you don't run away in the process. And I guess consequences will as usually hit Dean pretty hard.
ReplyDeleteSound interesting thanks
ReplyDeleteWow read all of the post. Decided not to say a thing. Enough was said. lol
ReplyDeleteI see the anti-Sam gang are out in force today
ReplyDeletethinking back to the clip from comic-con it seemed like Sam was a mess, I think he says something about not knowing what to believe anymore, he looked panicked and out of sorts. I'd say theres a good chance Sam isnt really with it in this episode hecne the running off.
Dean will be furious (when isnt it?) that Sam ran off but only because he'll be scared for Sam escpecially if he's as messed up as it seems he's going to be. I cant really blame Sam for doing what he's doing yes Dean is woried but Sam is messed up and Dean is hardly stable and reliable himself by the sounds of it.
Oh and I didnt hear this much crap about running away when it was Dean doing the same in 99P I also recall Sam being a hell of a lot more understanding than he would have received if it was him. Running away is never good but there are always extenuating circumstances, I think this is one of those occassions? I hope Dean isnt as judgemental as his fans are when he takes the time to listen and understand why Sam has done what he does?
Considering the spoilers I agree with Sam "running away" to help Amy.
ReplyDeleteOn everything else, we'll just have to wait and see.
How isn't it stressing Dean out if he wakes up and finds Sam gone? Don't you think that would freak him out even more than being able to hunt along side Sam. Why would Dean not be ready to hunt? If its a long time and Sam is better and capable of making sound decisions running away again becomes worse. Sam's acting selfish here, no matter what way its spun.
ReplyDeleteIf he's hallucinating to the point where he can't tell if he's coming or going then he should be in full time psychiatric care becasue he could snap and hurt someone.
It also suggests that he should not be hunting period if he can't tell if he's coming or going.
But Dean didn't run away to be with Lisa and Ben. Sam knew where he was at and what he was doing.
ReplyDeleteI guess Sam was lying when he said that he was wrong every time he ran away because he's still doing it.
But if he still runs away, even if he tells Dean he's still being selfish because he's not thinking about anybody's feeling other than his wants and needs.
ReplyDeleteAll this proves is that his Hell ordeal wasn't that bad after all.
ReplyDeleteBut you forgot: Dean doesn't listen to Sammy!
ReplyDeleteI'm not desputing that fact that if Sam feels the need to take care of this, fine. What is not fine is sneaking out in the middle of the night.
ReplyDeleteIf Sam isn't that big a mess isn't it still selfish for him to be out hunting. If he can't tell reality from fantasy maybe Dean has point if he doesn't feel Sam should hunt on his own. If Sam's on his own and he's that messed up he has more potential to hurt someone than to help them.
ReplyDeleteIf Dean tells Sam not to hunt on his own sometimes Sam needs to put aside his own feelings and think that maybe its not about Dean trying to control his life but that Dean knows what he's talking about.
^^; just take some popcorn and learn to sit back and enjoy the catfights. You should know by know that Septical hates the show and just want to pic a fight for the fun of picking a fight
ReplyDeleteAnd all those extremist Deangirl only see Sam everywhere....In S5 it was aaaallllllll season long about Dean being the Micheal's sword, the 100th episode was a Dean-centered..but just because Sam saved the world at the end of the day the WHOLE season was a Sam-centered...and when it appeared in the first episodes that Sam will be a mess, so that it will be up to Dean to save the world...the WHOLE S7 is Sam centered xD go figure
Yeah, I agree. This is probably about Sam trying to solve something from his past & not wanting Dean to be involved coz probably of Dean motto of 'shoot first & ask question later.' Dean can be stubborn about things but thats what I like about him too. Love the brothers dynamic & can't wait for them to be back.
ReplyDeleteDean's listened to Sam plenty of times in the past. Dean listened when he asked Sam why he trusted Ruby so much, to the point where he thanked Ruby twice and saved her life. He listened when Sam asked him to let go and let him say yes to Lucifer, he listened when he didn't want Sam to go on the hunt for Lucifer in AAH.
ReplyDeleteIf Sam is actively hallucinating and Dean says no to Sam hunting on his own, how is that wrong or Dean being overbearing and bossy?
Where does it say here that Sam was running away from something? He just went to work a case that was personal to him without Dean. We don't know the circumstances as to why he didn't take Dean with him.
ReplyDeleteGood point about the "shoot first" debate. Since it appears that Sam cared about this girl, that could have been a factor.
ReplyDeleteThen why is Dean furious, to find Sam gone? That strongly suggests Sam ran away.
ReplyDelete.
There sure is a lot of angst about Sam's well-being and decision-making capacity from people who don't even like Sam. ;)
ReplyDeleteThere was plenty if angst and anger from everyone in episode 100... Bobby as I recall initiated a yelling match, and won thank you very much! Im not a Sam girl but its not right for anyone to start insulting either one of the brothers over a SYNOPSIS!!!!!!!!! Remember these things are unreliable there have been times I cant count that the entire episode is completely different than these things. So Sam girls, be happy you have a Sam centric episode and the rest of the Dean girls like me be happy for Jensen on his latest directorial project, and quit getting into yelling matches with each other, its not productive and it drives other fans away from these boards!
ReplyDeleteI'm extremely excited for this episode! Jensen directing and flashbacks!!! What more can a Dean girl ask for!
ReplyDeleteThen that suggests a complete lack of trust in Dean by Sam. Dean is capable of making decisions if he has all the facts. Why doesn't Sam explain what the girl means to him and why he doesn't want a shoot first scenario. Dean even admitted this at the end of Blood Lust when he was questioning if maybe they killed things that didn't need killing and Dean even saved Ruby's life after Sam explained why he trusted her in heaven and hell. That suggests he's flexible.
ReplyDeletelol They seem to use the word "demon" loosely lately. Doesn't sound like a demon at all. However, the brains part sounds pretty cool. Good to have more info on this episode. Even if it's a step away from the main story I'll bet this will be a pretty good SOTW episode. :)
ReplyDeleteI have no doubt this will be what happens, because when is anything ever Sam's fault? If Dean ordered him not to go, he probably has a good reason, like if Sam supposedly can't tell reality from fantasy. If Dean is so bossy and overbearing why does Sam want him around?
ReplyDeleteSam needs to take responsiblitity for his actions. Blaming Dean for sneaking out because Dean is bossy is not, its blaming someone for your actions.
Apparently Sam's thing for monsters goes way back...
ReplyDeleteSo excited for this episode! I love Jewel!
And, people, please stop judging before you've seen the episode. It's probably going to turn out completely different from what you can make up out of a two-sentence synopsis. Supernatural has a habit of being unpredictable like that.
I agree. Most likely the point of episode 4 will be Dean needs to learn to love Sam more and back off and let Sam grow up.
ReplyDeleteDean has moments of being flexible, but more often than not he's stubborn. If he wasn't, there would have been a lot more discussion and compromise in his dealings with Cas at the end of last season. Guessing what Dean's state of mind will be at the beginning of the season (after losing Cas, Lisa and Ben, and fearing that he's going to lose Sam too), I doubt "open-minded" will be the most accurate description. I think Sam wants to be the one making the decisions on this case since Amy is someone he cared about.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes me laugh hardest about this is that it proves once and for all that Cas has nothing to do with the strained relationship between the brothers (God forbid that Sam's behavior and actions should have been one of the reasons…). Cas-haters drone on and on about how the pre-Cas years were a golden era of sibling love and harmony when they weren't at all: the Sam v Dean battle went on long before Cas came on the scene. And without Cas in the mix, the PTB will fall back on their default of introducing sibling rivalry as a plot device to ramp up the tension. Yawn. Fresh and new it isn't. The one good thing about this will be sitting back and watching all the Cas-haters split back along Sam-Dean lines and start ripping into each other instead of Casfans.
ReplyDeleteSo Sam decides to add to Dean's worry by running off because he doesn't trust Dean because he thinks Dean's an inflexible, bossy, overbearing brother who won't let Sam make his own decisions.
ReplyDeleteHow is this supposed to convince fans that the brothers are tighter than ever.
Because he's worried about Sam.
ReplyDeleteI was being facetious… ;-)
ReplyDeleteI think Dean's right in this case and I hope that'll be made clear in the episode.
Sorry, I missed the scarcasm. :-)
ReplyDeleteI feel such a chill coming over me as I read these comments.
ReplyDeleteInstead of being estatic that Supernatural will soon be back on TV with another season, there are persons who want to pass their time insulting fictional characters on a fictional tv show.
Nothing anyone can say will diminish my pleasure in watching the show and it's wonderful two lead actors, and I hope Supernatural continues for many more years yet
He listens to Sam the same way he listens to Cas.
ReplyDeleteWhat's so great about Sam having a thing for monsters and continuing to have one? It just makes him a bonehead.
ReplyDeleteSo why can't they BOTH go? If Sam has that much doubt about his hunting partner, he'd risk a case alone then they need to split up. It's just something to make Dean look stupid for doubting the "superiority" of his brother.
ReplyDeleteAlso considering Sam drank demon blood, nearly became a demon, WAS Lucifer's vessel, was souless and had intermittent powers . . . I think he's the one who's way, way more of a disruption to the cosmic balance when it's been proven that Dean left alone, eeks out a regular human life. So it's a cosmic trial thing, it should be Sam on the stand.
ReplyDeleteI think the only consequences felt will be felt by Dean in the long run with people running him down for not being more "understanding" and "loving." Sam is the one who runs off and cares about a monster's feelings more than his brother's . . . again and Dean has to learn to love, BS!
ReplyDeleteAnd worry he should if Sam's hallucinating and acting like his brain is damaged.
ReplyDeleteBut if he's acting fine then I don't want to hear any more nonsense about his time in the cage being worse.
Maybe a story for Dean about Dean? Or, you know, something actually new?
ReplyDelete:) :) Well if want to see the little we know about "The Girl next Door" as an attempt to make Dean look.......[insert insult] that's totally up to you.
ReplyDeleteJust don't expect anyone you encounter on these bords to join you on your little crusade, based on little to nothing. :) :) :)
*readies the popcorn*
Jensen is such a natural directer he did a amazing job on Weekend At Bobbys so i just know this is going to be a really good episode.I think maybe Sam goes off by himself because he thinks Dean and Bobby have enough to deal with.He probably thinks he can handle this by himself and maybe in a way he wants to do it by himself as it is personal to him because he and Amy have a history that goes way back to their teen's.
ReplyDeleteIt could be that Amy herself contacted Sam in some way.
ReplyDeleteMaybe she bumped into him at the laundrette or in a diner and asked him for help or perhaps young Sam already knew about Amy and hadn't told John or Dean about her at that time because he knew that they would have killed her.
After all in the promo Amy tells him that theya re both freaks
We know that Sam has always had a tender heart and even more so probably, so when he was fifteen.
Third hypothesis could be that young Sam lied to Dean and his Dad at the time telling them that he had killed Amy, and now he wants to get the story from grown-up Amy before Dean finds out.
I do feel that Sam hasn't really learned to respect or appreciate his brother. For the past 6 years, I've seen Sam treat Dean like a second hand citizen, and the showrunners actually reward Sam for this. Yet when Dean even thinks of leaving Sam, or not doing what Sam want, then Dean is immediately "put in his place". It really is mind boggling. Maybe if Sam began to see Dean as a brother instead of a manservant, this show would actually become interesting again.
ReplyDeletehaha, I didn't mean I'm excited for it because of Sam's thing for monsters. I'm just really curious to see how this turns out, and if the people who are judging Sam now will think the same after the episode has aired.
ReplyDeleteThe monster thing was just a random thought that popped into my head.
By the way, I don't think it makes him a bonehead. He just wants to see the good in people. The fact that they are monsters doesn't automatically make them evil, just different. Treating the outsiders the same as any person, I think a lot of people could learn from that.
"and if the people who are judging Sam now will think the same after the episode has aired."
ReplyDeleteThey will. When Sam was soulless they hated Sam because Dean was worried about Sam, and because Dean wasn't holding Sam responsible for what he did without a soul. When Unforgiven came out, they hated Sam because Sam was trying to take responsibility for what he did when he didn't have a soul at the risk of breaking the wall in his head. In the second half of the season, they hated Sam because Dean was worried about Sam's wall. When the promos for TMWKTM came out, they hated Sam because he was getting some screen time while his wall broke. When the promos for this episode first came out, and the description looked similar to the Lisa/Ben storyline, they hated Sam because he was getting Dean's storyline. Now that it looks like Amy is a monster, they hate Sam because he's again paired with a demon/monster.
Haters are going to hate. *shrug*
it'll only be Sam's side of the convo's
ReplyDeleteepisode 5 (the one with the egyptian god and Jo) is Dean centic, epi 1 has more Dean than Sam coz he angsts all over the joint about his BFF Cas and the whole thing with Death. Epi 2 Dean is worried about Sam and Bobby is worried about Dean I'd say thats pretty fair.
ReplyDeletemaybe Dean girls are just judemental, self righteous know it alls with too much time on their hands?!
ReplyDeleteI remember Jensen in an interview, maybe the PaleyFest or Comic-Con in which someone asked him if we would see John and young Dean and he replied that we would only hear them over the phone.
ReplyDeleteNow if he meant the actual voices or just Sam's end of the conv. that i don't know.
Dear tv monkey,
ReplyDeleteI admire your efforts to have a debate, but "there are none so deaf as those who do not want to hear", and it's obvious that the majority here today don't want to do anything other than belittle Sam., and I doubt anything will change their minds :(
When Cas's plans are lets open purgatory, and suck up monster souls and trust Crowley, I don't blame Dean for not wanting to go along with this plan.
ReplyDeleteWhy would anybody think this is a good idea, especially when they've been betrayed by Crowley, and Dean knows that sucking up monster souls can't be good for anyone, and opening purgatory just begs for trouble.
It looks like Dean was right not trust Cas's plan. Funny isn't it.
Just because someone says no, doesn't mean its all about being inflexible or bossy.
My apologies that my post wasn't more clear. I was on my phone as I had no access to my laptop at that time. Honestly, I feel this may be part of the reason, but I've decided not to jump to conclusions and I'm certainly not going to stand around and bash a character when we don't even know WHAT the circumstances are for this happening just yet. Unlike you, who is sitting there insulting him and calling him a teenager. Some of these comments here from the likes of you, skeptical inquirer and whoever else is openly and loudly bitching about Sam and jumping to all of these ridiculous conclusions, are honestly baffling. Truly. Or maybe you same 8 people who are whining loudly and obnoxiously over and over again have already seen the episode. Must be that.
ReplyDeleteBut if Sam has the potential for freak outs doesn't it make him hunting alone even more dangerous, as with not being able to tell reality from fantasy. If Sam could freak out to the point where he could hurt someone why is he hunting period.
ReplyDeleteSeems like an awfully big risk to take just to prove you can hunt.
When Dean took off he was dragged back and beaten up by Castiel and people cheered and said that it was about time someone knocked Dean off his high horse and then Dean apologized to Sam at the end of PONR for not having faith in Sam. So to me, Dean took responsibility for running away, which I have yet to see Sam do, since he did it as recently as Unforgiven and looks to be doing it again. Rumors from Comic con is that Sam sneaks out while Dean and Bobby are sleeping.
Sometimes saying no isn;t about trying to control someones live or being bossy. Sometimes its about life experience and practical advice.
Someone who runs into a burning building is brave as is anyone who runs into a dangerous situation to help but if you aren't trained you can make the situation worse. Say for example someone is drowning in the ocean and you jump into try and save them but have no knowledge of currents and riptides and undertows you could have just made the situation worse because now you need to be rescued along with the original person.
What if the person telling you not to run into the building was a former fire fighter who was injured and can't run in himself and he tells you that with the way the building is burning you can't help because you'll get trapped inside. Are you still brave for running in anyway or do you listen to the person who is giving you some solid advice.
I think this is highly unfair, since I think I quite recall the fans of Sam being quite up in arms when Dean had a story of his own. I am not belittling Sam, I am stating what I see on the show. Obviously, everything is subjective and those who are happy with Dean running after Sam, and Sam having yet another story of his childhood told, will not be disappointed with this episode. Then there are those of us who are still waiting for something about Dean's childhood that has nothing to do with Sam.
ReplyDeleteTVmonkey, one episode out of 22 hardly makes an arc. As for Dean angsting over Cas, I can only give the advice I've seen here. We don't know what happens in episode 1, so why say it's Dean centric when in actuality, it may be all about Sam's wall coming down, which is the other story in episode 1.
Wow. And so once again the hate has already sprung up before the episode has even aired. And even over a 2 measley-sentenced synopsis! You know what's funny is how some of you are insulting Sam, calling him things like "bonehead" and "petulant teenager" makes one wonder if you're also referring to yourselves? I mean it's certainly how a lot of you are acting over a 2 sentence synopsis and we actually have NO idea why Sam left, what happened or anything. In fact, for all we know Sam DID tell Dean. We don't know anything yet, and I choose not to bash or judge any characters yet. I'm not bashing Dean for being furious and I'm not bashing Sam for leaving because guess what? We don't know the circumstances of these decisions yet! How about that?
ReplyDeleteAlso, Dean is always worried about Sam, what's so new about that? Will Sam ever worry about Dean without making it all about himself? That's the big question.
ReplyDeleteBut I'm done. So really, I just wanted to state a couple of cents worth of observation. I thought this spoiler might have something new so I could restart watching the show after giving it up. But it's sounding like a rehash of all the old episodes, so I will bow out.
Why not address some of the criticisms instead of just accusing people of whining about Sam's actions.
ReplyDeleteHow is running away even part of proving himself?
If Dean truly knows where Sam is why would he be furious?
Why isn't Sam taking into consideration that if he can't tell reality from fantasy that maybe hunting solo isn't such a good idea?
If its a case of Sam not being able to tell he's sneaking out, doesn't that suggest he really shouldn't' be hunting period?
Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they aren't valid concerns.
Actually, it's episode 4, tvmonkey. :)
ReplyDeleteJumping to conclusions. I don't see anywhere where it says "Sam sneaks off" or "Sam goes behind Dean's back" or anything. Perhaps the hallucinations and struggling with the Hell memories ARE the problem. You ever think of that? No, of course not. You just jump to an automatic conclusion and belittle the character before you even know what the circumstances are.
ReplyDeleteGoing by 6 seasons of the show, Sam does run away and he does it often. Hunted, all during season 4, during Unforgiven rumors from comic con said Sam sneaks out of the hotel while Dean and Bobby were sleeping, and more than one person reported seeing that. So, I'm not just basing Sam sneaking out out of thin air, Sam's past actions do support it.
ReplyDeleteIf the episode doesn't work out that way, then I will admit I was wrong, if Sam does sneak out will you admit he's acting selfish?
If hell is all reality then Sam should be under 24/7 psychiatric care if he's that messed up.
Dean loves Sam but I would think Sam hunting solo because he so traumatized from hell would only add to Dean's worries, especially if he could flip out and any time.
I guess you're right.
ReplyDeleteSad though, this show is so beautiful if you're not fixating on the faults of one character (no matter if it's Sam or Dean or even Cas).
My first comment wasn't about preventing stress for Dean. Of course Dean would be totally stressed if Sam hunted alone; especially if he was worried about him. What I meant was that "if" Dean went on the hunt with Sam, Dean would be more worried about Sam than the creature and Dean would have a higher probability to get hurt. IMO, that would be a big reason for Sam not to try to hunt with Dean at first.
ReplyDeleteIn my second paragraph I said that Sam feels that he is ready to hunt and Dean doesn't feel that "Sam" is ready to hunt. Does Sam have to wait for Dean to determine that he is ready? If it was an impartial Doctor making the decision, I might agree. However, if Dean is worried about Sam he may be overly cautious. If Sam goes off after 3 days, I would still call him stupid instead of selfish. I can understand people labeling Sam as selfish when he went to college to be safe... but I don't understand the term selfish when he wants to do something and Dean doesn't. Why does Dean get to decide?
Does Sam get to decide these issues for Dean? Sam asks and Dean has the right to say yes or no.... because Dean is an adult... as is Sam.
We actually know nothing about season 7 apart from one or two little spoilers we've been thrown, so it's difficult for me to understand how one can criticize something we really know nothing of.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I have been reading here there only seems to be the desire to run down one person or character who , for some strange reason doesn't appeal to some people, in this case Sam.
I love both characters and do not like to see them unfairly insulted by anyone. They are two sides of the same coin and I don't care who gets what plot, I want to see them navigate their world together.
There is only one solution to the problem, if one doesn't like Supernatural then one doesn't need to watch
Why do you even feel the need to bash Sam? We don't know the circumstances as to why he left at all yet. I'm not bashing Dean and won't, and I won't bash Sam either regardless of what happens. Both brothers have pissed me off in the show, but I won't bash them.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you do me a favor; if you insist on bashing Sam, don't do it to me. I'm really not in the mood to argue or debate with you or anybody else who shares your opinion. Have your opinion all you want, just don't post it at me because I won't listen and I won't change my mind no matter how much you whine and cry and harp on it, fair enough?
Sometimes though it can't be about what a person wants and should be about what a person needs.
ReplyDeleteFair enough about Dean not being an impartial judge but it also goes both ways. Is Sam being impartial if Dean says he doesn't feel Sam is ready to hunt. Couldn't it be said that Sam is falling back into a defensive position about thinking Dean may be trying to control his life when maybe Dean has valid reasons for thinking Sam shouldn't be hunting solo just yet.
Like not being able to tell reality from fantasy. I acknowledge I keep repeating it but if the show is going to show us that Sam is actively hallucinating then they need to present a really good reason about why Sam thinking hunting solo might be a good idea.
Fine, I really don't want to fight. I have a right to my opinions as you do your. So if you don't like what I have to say you can certainly ignore me and skip over what I have to say.
ReplyDeleteI'm not whining or harping or trying to change your mind, so there is no need to so defensive, I'm just simply stating my opinion.
It was the apocalypse vs. a door to purgatory - no easy answer. There's no indication Cas ever trusted Crowley. And Dean has chosen to work with Crowley himself on more than one occasion. But this isn't even the point.
ReplyDeleteThe point is that Cas wanted to explain and have his point of view heard but Dean cut off the conversation with comments like "I'm not going to logic you," or just do it because I'm asking you to. That's not listening.
Dean adopts this pattern of communication when he's defensive, and he's adopted it with Sam in the past too. Sam usually wants Dean to come along, so if he felt that he needed to do this without Dean, it was probably because he knew his brother and knew Dean wasn't open to discussion on this. We'll find out the circumstances in a few more weeks.
Thank you!
ReplyDeleteI'm glad there are still people who actually enjoy the show for what it is. I couldn't agree more with you.
There are a lot of people who would agree with you who post on this board. They're just waiting for this to blow over and the haters to go away before coming back. The sad thing is that these types of hate campaigns don't do anything to change what's on the show, but only serve to ruin the fan experience for people who want to talk about their favorite show in a non-hostile environment.
ReplyDeleteI cannot begin to understand how you could be watching the same show I am and think that Sam sees Dean as a "manservant." Or, how you can think Sam has been rewarded. Sam's whole story has been that everything always turns against him. He tries to get out of the life only to have his girlfriend killed. He starts to care for someone again and they die. He tries to stop Lilith from breaking the final seal only to find out that he's been tricked into letting Lucifer out of the cage. He can't win.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for your support!
ReplyDeleteI wanted to sign out from this thread ages ago but I didn't want to leave it completely in the hands of those who seem to want to bring down the show by hoisting attacks on one brother or the other.
I, myself ,am not quite sure why I love this show so much, but I do, and Supernatural includes, for me anyway, both Sam and Dean 50%--50%.
I love watching and talking about the show but I will not participate in the bashing of one brother over another especially when it is completely unmerited,
regards
@isleofsky and Saethe; I agree with you both so much. I just want to enjoy the show, enjoy reading the spoilers and discuss it with people who are excited and happy and don't take pleasure in bashing Sam and Dean. Here lately, it seems hard to do that here since the Sam hate has been out in full force since the very first spoilers ever released were for this episode. EDGs just thrive on the tiniest thing so they can bash Sam. It's been happening for years and it never changes. I just want to talk about my favorite show with really fun, cool, down to earth people that don't hate any of the characters. :(
ReplyDeleteI was honestly very surprised when I logged on some hours ago to find so many posters coming down so heavily on Sam.
ReplyDeleteI love Sam and I love Dean so I just can't understand the hate.
This usually doesn't happen here very often, at least not in my short experience of frequenting this site, but today there has been a tsunami.
I, too, only want to talk about the show and how much I enjoy it and I really can't get my mind round the attitude of some posters; but that's not my problem, but theirs, so I will continue to love the show even more to compensate for those who don't :-)
Such is the life of an EDG/Sam Hater. Whichever you would prefer to call them. People have been basically thriving on reasons to bash Sam, and there you have it. It's the same every single year. It never changes.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, it's just the toll of the road. :( But hey, lucky for us we have people like you, skye! We can sit down and discuss the show and our excitement for it! I am looking forward to this episode, personally. I am intrigued by Amy, though I do not think she's a demon. Show tends to use the word "demon" rather loosely. I'm reminded of the synopsis for Mommy Dearest last season when it said that Eve was bringing the boys' mother back as a demon, when that wasn't the case at all.
I tend to think that the network likes to throw people off by twisting words in the synopsis. Most of the time, they don't match up to what the episode is actually about. There is always that to hold in consideration. :) But I know that I'm excited for the season and very much looking forward to all the episodes and most importantly; seeing Sam and Dean! ♥
I know Jensen's done an AWESOME job if 'Weekend at Bobby's is anything to go by ! It will be interesting to see how he did directing a Jared/Sam heavy episode too. After reading this synopsis i'm even more excited for his ep now !
ReplyDeleteGo SammyWs Girl, let's talk about our favourite show and leave the unbelievers to themselves:)
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I am going to show my complete ignorance by having to ask what EDG stands for,....
I agree with you, Amy is intriguing. I don't think she is a demon as it seems she munches down on brains, something which demons aren't particularly known for.
The recap also mentions that she kills low-life thugs which doesn't excuse her killing people, but seems to have been mentioned to lighten her crime in some way; perhaps to illustrate that she is not 100% evil and to make her appeal to us viewers.
However as you rightly say they put out ambiguous spoilers which can be interpreted in various ways.
I , too, have a really good feeling about this season and I am dying to see the direction it's going to take.
Poor Sammy, I don't understand why he gets all this hate, I feel so sad for him and although one's first instinct is to take it out on the person who is criticizing, my brain tells me to hold back and ignore them as much as possible.:(
Oh gosh, the comments on this innocent... or not so innocent synopsis lol I don't think people should jump to conclusions about Sam making the wrong decisions when we don't know all of the circumstances yet. Sam is always inquisitive despite the fact it could and often has put him in harms way, even when he knew scratching at the wall could hurt him after he got his soul back, he still dug around in his past and look what happened! I should imagine Dean being furious is the result of him believing Sam is not in a fit state to be hunting alone... but who knows. I'm incredibly excited to see this episode mostly because it's Jensen's sophomore directorial debut and it sounds like it's going to be great!
ReplyDeleteSeason 7 already sounds like it's shaping up to be a great year and with such a great Cast/Crew/Team of writers i'm sure it will be !! Sooooooooooooo Excited !!
Thanks for your equilibrated and enthusiastic post,
ReplyDeleteToday your post is one of the few that shows love towards both our favourite brothers.
I can't but share your love and excitement for the new season and for this episode:)
You do realize this is JUST a show and that Sam and Dean are fictional characters right?
ReplyDeleteDo not let these "people" ruin the show for you. I find their opinions and psychological assessments a joke. Just enjoy the show and quit bitching people. Isleofskye, you should enjoy the show for yourself and feel nothing but pity for the fans that cannot separate the actors from the characters they play on TV.
ReplyDeleteOh, Cas!
ReplyDeleteHaters are the reason why I don't frequent most sites anymore and I rectracted from any other fandom than Supernatural.Because really, you are exhausting! Some people accused Sam of behaving childish in running away (which remains to be proven yet) while at the same time they're throwing a temper tantrum when the show doesn't go the way they like.These are still fictional characters - as in not real! Why is it so hard to just sit back and enjoy the show you supposedly love? And if you don't love the show anymore then Dean's quote would apply: don't walk away angry - just walk away. Letting your anger and frustration out on the ones who actually like to have a civilized conversation is not going to make the writers change the whole series. Makes me wonder where all those haters (no matter which fraction) will relieve their pent up energy if SPN - Cas forbid - should end this season.
I for one don't care who has what screentime or storyline as long as the show is about the things I first fell in love with: Two brother's and their relationship. Them driving around the country in a 67' Chevy Impala, hunting things, saving the world or only one PiP. To quote Dean (freely): I'll take the pain, the drama, the fun, I'll even take Sam as he is as long as I can watch my beloved show.
ThankYou so much, I was starting to feel alone, with all the negativity towards specific spoilers being dropped about Season 7 i feel it's time for people to just get excited about the coming episodes instead of flying off the handle about what they think will or won't happen !
ReplyDelete8 Days until the S7 premiere... 8 Days People !! Don't judge the episodes until you've watched them! Yes, be analytical, yes, be inquistive and curious and yes, get you spoiler junkie fix on but don't fight!
Peace Love and Spoiler Junkie Juice !
FYI isleofskye - Your comment just made my day. :)
Thanks you so much.......:)
ReplyDeleteYou're right, of course
We should all be getting excited for the new season.
It's a gift that has been given to us, as it could easily have gone in a different direction and been cancelled, as so many other shows were.
However I'm sure that all the true lovers of the show are on a high; those that aren't well,----- we will leave them to their own devices......!
Thank you for your post.
ReplyDeleteI felt chills as I read those posts because it depressed me to think that people who call themselves fans of the show could prefer tearing one or other of the principle characters to pieces instead of enjoying a serene conversation and discussion about the various aspects of Supernatural.
I feel sorry for those people who can't ,as you say just sit down and enjoy the show for what it is,, a wonderful 40 minutes of creative and addictive television with a talented cast and writers ; and I intend to cherish every second.......:-) , regards
This is why I adore you to bits and pieces, Airbat! I just wanted to let you know that. ♥ I couldn't agree more with you.
ReplyDeleteNo worries, dear. EDG stands for Extreme Dean Girl. Usually they are the Sam haters and every single tiny little mistake Sam makes, they lash out at him and at Sam fans and harshly. It's as perfect example of what you've seen here today.
ReplyDeleteSee, I'm not so sure Amy IS the one eating brains. Prior spoilers from a girl who auditioned for the part of "young Amy" suggested otherwise. That's why I really don't think it's a good idea to follow the synopsis. It may hint on what the episode will be about, but for the last couple of seasons, it hasn't been extremely accurate. Especially last season.
Honestly, skye, I don't either... he just does. And it is really sad, and I feel really sad for him too, but especially for Jared who portrays this really beautiful, sensitive and deep character with this darkness in him that only he can understand and people just rip into him like a piece of meat. They positively shred him and it's horrible... Jared works really hard to bring us this fantastic character (just like Jensen does for Dean!) and to see him ripped apart like that is just hurtful... :(
I saw on tumblr awhile ago there is this Supernatural Confessions community where people confess things anonymously, and one of the confessions said "I see so much of myself in Sam Winchester that whenever anything bad is said about him, I can't help but take it personally." It wasn't me who wrote that confession, but that is exactly how I feel sometimes. Call me crazy, but that's why I get so frustrated and emotional when the Sam bashing begins. And I just had my own confessional moment there... lol ^^;
You could very well be right. It's not like the synopsis gets specific about how he interacts with this person.
ReplyDeleteNow that would be funny.
ReplyDeleteDebbie, I love your answer because it talks about how you see the show and answers questions without attacking people personally. Thanks! Just as a side note, I don't consider Sam going to college as being selfish. He needed to go and things were getting worse at home. I think selfish is a term that can be describe both brothers at times in this six year journey. I think that comes from such a close relationship.
ReplyDeleteSam does attract some interesting people. Gert makes me slightly nauseous but I still laugh. Madison would be a heartbreaker if she had been on for more than 42 minutes. However, I draw the line at Becky. No matter how "funny" people see her infatuation with Sam, I only see the worst character ever created for this show.
ReplyDeleteThe humor lies in what an utter disaster it was - both for Sam as a character and for how bad it was for the show. Failure can be funny. Oh, btw, Gert is one of my favorite one-off characters on SPN ever. :)
ReplyDeletePerfectly said. Everyone who gets involved with the Winchesters gets screwed. It always amazes me hoe many fans claim they would like to be in the Winchesters' lives. Haven't we realized by now it ends in excruciating, evil death.
ReplyDeleteThat's one thing you can count on with all the Winchester clan (Dean, Sam, and Bobby). If they think they are responsible, they throw caution to the wayside to fix it. It's one of their greatest and most frustrating qualities.
ReplyDeleteIf Dean and Sam discuss the situation and they disagree, then Sam has every right to pursue his own course. He is an adult. He can go where he wants. However, if he sneaks off ("runs away"), then yes, I will be tired and frustrated that we are regressing back. We just don't know at this time. Thankfully all will be revealed soon.
ReplyDeleteYou and I will forever disagree on this point. I find it strange that people blame Dean for Cas' decisions because they feel he didn't listen to Cas. Cas wasn't talking about what he did and he spent the vast majority of season 6 lying to the Winchesters and Bobby. Cas made his own decisions and I don't think Dean can be blamed for those.
ReplyDeleteDean tried to use logic before but Cas continually said that he was doing the right thing. He wouldn't listen to Dean's warning. He wasn't receptive to logic which left Dean only the personal card left. He appealed to Cas' friendship and that didn't work either. If anyone wasn't listening, it was Cas.
ReplyDeleteI agree that this situation will most likely turn out similar to Let It Bleed. Sam is no less likely to bypass something he feels responsible for than Dean is. They both make terrible choices when someone they love is at risk or if they feel they caused the situation. It's the Winchester way - for better or worse.
ReplyDeleteYou are a smart, smart Supernatural fan. :-)
ReplyDeleteVery well said Carmen. This doesn't do the show any favors and it doesn't encourage new people to try the show out. It also doesn't encourage the people who lurk on these boards to offer their comments. (big sigh)
ReplyDeleteI was wondering if they meant that Sam thought it was a demon but then learned it was his old monster friend. From the first snippets before this synopsis, they definitely made her sound more like a monster than a demon to me. Regardless, should be fun to see Colin Ford again and Jewel Staite is a definite plus.
ReplyDeletei can't believe people are taking this synopsis this seriously. i love this show like everyone else, but i know that it is just a show. sam and dean are both awesome, but sometimes they can both be selfish. sam is sometimes insensitive toward his brother and dean is sometimes too controlling. that's just who they are.
ReplyDeleteI don't blame Dean for Cas's decisions. Cas's decisions were complicated. He saved the world from apocalypse part 2, but opened a door to purgatory. He did what he thought was right, but it may have not been the best decision.
ReplyDeleteThis post was addressing the question whether Dean is good at listening. I think it's hit or miss, depending on Dean's emotional state.
One thing we've seen though is that the Winchester are stronger when they all work together, and when Cas tried to reach out to Dean at the end (a little late, but it was still reaching out), he got shut down a few time over the last few episodes. If Dean meant what he said when he said Cas was family, then I expect a little more. It doesn't mean Dean owns responsibility for Cas's actions, but I don't want to see him mourning him as a friend, either, because he didn't act like one.
It's not a question of being rewarded with money or fame or gals but being rewarded with various intangibles like powers, being the one with the destiny, being crowned the best hunter, being able to lay claim to being the most victimized on the show, being able to lay all blame for his bad behavior on everybody else.
ReplyDeleteAlso it's not like Dean gets rewarded either. He doesn't have Lisa or Ben, he tries to lead a separate life from Sam and promptly gets herded back somehow. It's not like he's winning either. I'd say that he's considered the biggest loser especially since everybody calls him one while people swoon over Sam's talents/abilities. It sucks if one is destined to be the hero but it sucks even WORSE to suffer as much when you're only considered the side kick and comic relief on the show.
There was never a golden age. Sam himself confirmed this in Fallen Idols.
ReplyDeleteEven without conflict, it is kind of creepy to demand two brothers stay together and stare into each other's eyes and say "I need only you forever and ever" on a canonical basis. To me, the only thing more horrifying than their current situation would be if they made them conjoined twins.
And you do realize that you are replying to someone regarding a fictional show right?
ReplyDeleteSera went out of her way to go on and on about how messed up Sam would be. So if Sam IS showing signs of being unstable, then Dean has the really unfortunate problem of having to draw the line so HE doesn't get killed or injured.
ReplyDeleteYou can love someone but if they have a medical condition that impairs them, you need to say no. If you're suffering a condition where you're liable to kill someone else or get lost because you can't remember how to drive home, I AM keeping the keys away from you and I'm NOT the villain for doing so, no matter how much I get screamed at that I'm a big bad bully. Neither is Dean.
(I'm using the universal you, not you specifically)
If he lied to Dean back then, he really should face the music of lying and should be told he's partially responsible for all the people she's killed in the meantime. Which makes me roll my eyes that he's not on trial in the next episode.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that if Dean were to decide he was tired of Sam, then he wouldn't be forgiven with "Well, he's an adult and he's free to do whatever he wants and be by himself." He would immediately be scolded for wanting to do so.
ReplyDeleteI disagree. If Dean and Sam discussed a situation and disagreed, Dean would also have every right to pursue his own course because he is an adult too. For example, Time is on my Side. Dean went off to pursue the Bela angle while Sam pursued Doc Benton. In this case, Dean was the correct one and I don't think anyone was scolding him for not becoming a creepy Dr. Frankenstein and his monster sewed together hybrid.
ReplyDeleteWhile I agree with you in principle, it is quite clear that John expected Dean to take care of Sam long after he was a child.
ReplyDeleteI don't consider it selfish either, the majority of fans that say Sam is selfish often start their arguments with that one detail. Because Sam knew that his leaving would hurt Dean (at least emotionally), this is one of the few occasions that I can even contemplate acknowledging that what Sam did was selfish...
ReplyDeleteHowever, in my opinion, Sam seemed to feel that he wasn't really a necessary part of their team. When he yelled at his father "You're just upset that you can't control me any more"... that didn't sound like someone that felt needed. It sounded like he felt he was just a tool to his father.
Dean loved to hunt, his father loved to hunt. Sam didn't. In After School Special I believe that Sam finally considered the fact that he could choose for himself what he did with his life. This seemed to give him hope. I agree with you Dahne... Sam needed to go.
Until we see the episode we can't really tell whether Sam needs to stay "protected" or whether Sam needs to go out and prove himself. We, as fans, don't know Sam's state of mind at this point. We have been told that
ReplyDeleteSam has a real hard time, but we haven't been given a time frame. It could be a significant factor for just 1 or 2 episodes.
For all we know, Sam
could be much improved by episode 3 and feeling claustrophobic locked up
at Bobby's or where ever they are staying... We know Sam has to get
back to hunting some time... I doubt his hallucinations are a big arc this season, they are just going to be significant at the beginning of the year. Episode 3 is probably his first foray into learning to live with the situation. Handling a monster that he could handle at 15 years of age probably
seems like a very simple introduction back to hunting for Sam.
I agree with you that it is possible that Sam is getting defensive and feels he needs to prove himself if Dean tells him that he isn't ready when Sam feels that he is. However, that doesn't negate the fact that ultimately Sam has the right to make his own decisions. If he gets seriously hurt or fails to save a victim because of his problems, he might just crumble even more... However, my guess is that it won't come to that because the show doesn't usually like to deal with big emotional issues. They just give us peeks... then handle it off screen.
I'm talking about walking away from Sam on a permanent basis.
ReplyDeleteI love Gert and Becky... Darla wasn't on long enough to count as a true fan!girl... But, I am still hoping... Watching Dean cringe more like he did in Frontierland would be great... "It is so much germier than I thought"... Love it!
ReplyDelete*applause* Ahhh, a voice of reason.
ReplyDeleteDean working intimately with Death and Tessa episode after episode does make an arc... Sam actually got to see Tessa for one episode but she still had extra time with Dean to fill him in on their previous meeting. Every other time, only Dean interacts with the dinizens behind the veil... Faith, In My Time of Dying, Death Takes a Holiday, Two Minutes to Midnight, Appointment in Samarra, and I am guessing that Dean will be the primary in this next episode with Death because he is right there in the photos beside Death and Castiel.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, Bobby had a message from Death in Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid, but no personal interactions (which is probably a good thing :-)
Dean working intimately with Death and Tessa episode after episode does make an arc... Sam actually got to see Tessa for one episode but she still had extra time with Dean to fill him in on their previous meeting. Every other time, only Dean interacts with the dinizens behind the veil... Faith, In My Time of Dying, Death Takes a Holiday, Two Minutes to Midnight, Appointment in Samarra, and I am guessing that Dean will be the primary in this next episode with Death because he is right there in the photos beside Death and Castiel.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, Bobby had a message from Death in Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid, but no personal interactions (which is probably a good thing :-)
A lot of people seem to be getting really worked up over a few sentences that don't really say that much.
ReplyDeleteI honestly can't see where all this "Sam thinks he is a better hunter and he doesn't need Dean" is coming from unless it was from either way back in season 4 or from when he didn't have a soul. (unless there was an interview I missed about it).I just think everyone needs to calm down and wait for the whole episode, THEN your arguments can have more of a basis.For all we know it could be as simple as this hunt being unfinished business for Sam (like the Striga was for Dean in Season 1) and he just can't resist it.I don't get why so many people have to be so divided between Sam and Dean. Their brothers, brothers do things that piss each other off. It's no reason to hate on one.
But if Dean was all "OK!" and Sam got hurt, who gets blamed for letting an impaired person out and about?
ReplyDeletePeople don't need to see the episode when they've already seen an entire season that has Sera Gamble's fingerprints all over it. The only reason we didn't get an entire season of souless!Sam was that there was enough pushback that it got curtailed. Otherwise, it would've been an entire season of Sam not giving a damn about Dean and Dean being treated like the gum on the bottom of one's shoe.
Let's say that Dean DOES get a lecture about what a horrible incompetent brother he is in the episode 4, then will you agree that Dean is continually being set up to be fingered as the bad brother?
Dear skeptical_inquirer,
ReplyDeleteI've skimmed through your posts from yesterday and I must say I disagree with just about everything you've posted but you have every right to voice your opinions as long as they are respectful of the other posters.
Our points-of-view are at the antipodes but for the moment free speech still exists in our civilization so bring it on.
I just wanted to say that if you are angry with what goes on in the show you should take it out on the people who have the real power over that, the writers.
The actors have no blame at all for how the story plays out.
They, by contract, must follow the script and if it says that Sam has to lie to Dean then that's what Jared /Sam has to do.
Then if we want to keep strictly to the show, Sam is the more complex character simply due to the fact that he had demon blood forced into his mouth when he was a baby.
This can't not have affected him in some ways and set the ground-work for the man that he becomes ( not to dwell on the life they have both had to suffer and live through! )
Dean, if he wasn't happy to be with his brother would have left him to his own devices and stayed with Lisa, but he didn't, he wants to be with Sam and he accepts him as he is "warts and all" as should you,
regards
I'm sorry but I felt the need to jump in here.
ReplyDeleteI find your quotation marks on people insulting. And I don't remember a post in this article saying something bad or bashing JP. If they criticise his acting choices in a respectful manner it's OK but I agree that bashing an actor is very wrong because he might portray a character that some don't like. Also, remember, that while you find their opinions a joke some other people might find *your* opinions a joke. Neither side is right and neither side is wrong because art in whatever form is highly subjective and is interpreted by one's own views and personal history and opinions. Just because someone has a different opinion than yours doesn't mean it's a joke, it just means they are different from you.
There has been so many story lines about Dean the past season and there will be just as many this season! So don't worry be happy for season 7! One more week!
ReplyDeleteI feel like I need to repost my past comment but this time I'll just paraphrase, people this is a SYNOPSIS! Don't be angry over it they never say exactly what they mean! There is no sense in engaging in a brother war over a couple of sentences that happen to say Sam a couple more times than Dean or vise versa. Thy both are a big part of the show and have had equal camera time in the past so everyone take a collective breath and lest talk about something happy... like I don't know... that season seven is in one week!!!!! Party Time!!!!! :)
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry but I have to take offence by this particular comment. The commenters that insult Sam, insult a fictional character but you took it to the next level by insulting real people. That is just wrong. And I noticed that throughout the comments never once did the "insulters" took it to personal level; you did. Also, I think that calling someone a petulant teenager hardly constitutes as bashing. You just keep using that word whenever something less than positive is said about Sam and frankly it's losing its meaning.
ReplyDelete*yawn* Are you kidding me? You actually have the nerve to whine at me after some of the stuff you yourself has said? This is why I don't understand you EDGs. You come and you bitch and complain openly about Sam, his fans, but then you turn around and have the nerve to say that my opinion of somebody insulting Sam isn't insulting? Well, maybe not to you, but to me it is. Then you lay on the "fictional character" line, when I've see you say nasty things about a "fictional character" and get defensive over Dean. Funny how if anybody says anything bad about Dean or "bashes" him, all hell breaks loose from you folks, but if Sam fans defend him, we get mocked, laughed at and told off. Hypocrite much?
ReplyDeleteRight, everyone. Just stop this now before I start banning people here.
ReplyDeleteDiscuss the spoilers/info. Do not bash/argue with other posters.
This is a final warning to ALL concerned.
You know, I find it terribly funny and rather hypocritical that the Sam haters and/or EDGs are gatecrashing this thread by loudly complaining about Sam running off again, but seem to have left out all the times Dean has took off as well. :) Oh but of course all the times Dean has run off is totally and completely justified, right? Sam's just being a "petulant teenager" and Dean is perfectly forgiven for the times he took off.
ReplyDeleteAh, so you're fighting back by complaining about the times Dean has "took off." So you're actually doing the exact same thing they are. That's a tad hypocritical. o_O
ReplyDeleteHow ironic that you're complaining about people bashing the characters when you've previously frequented the CW Lounge's Septic Tank and bash Cas to your heart's content there.
ReplyDeleteYou might not be familiar with the other cadre of fans: the ESGs (Extreme Sam Girls), also known as the "Limp Sam" fans. Many of them also fall into the ECH (Extreme Cas Hater) category. They are the fans who bash Dean and Cas over at supernatural.tv and the CW Lounge Septic Tank. Since sammywsgirl is claiming to be scrupulously fair, I'm sure her failure to acknowledge that her side of fandom is just as bad was an oversight on her part.
ReplyDeleteI watch this show for SAM and DEAN WINCHESTER. Not their soul sucking angel, Castiel. Now get off my back.
ReplyDeleteNo, you see. I don't watch the show for a secondary character. I watch the show for what it's about; two brothers named Sam and Dean Winchester saving people and hunting things. And it's funny how you're claiming that there is all this Dean hate at the CW, when I've yet to see it. Why don't you go dig up some posts and prove it. :) Also, would you STOP harassing me and bringing up my name every chance you get? I'm getting a little sick of it.
ReplyDeleteWow you yell at me? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteIf you had read my comment I said ALL people, not just you.
ReplyDeleteThanks for re posting!
ReplyDeleteParty Time indeed, hellatus is almost over!!!!!!!
I agree. Cass made his own decisions, and now has to take the responsibility for it.
ReplyDeleteCass learned about "free will" from watching Dean and Sam, but I'm not so sure if Cass really understands that "do what ever you want" has consequences.
I don't understand how some "fans" blame Dean for what Cass starting to rebel and making his own decisions.
As for Dean not being as judgmental as his fans, well Dean actually loves his brother Sam.
ReplyDeleteIn the end Dean will forgive his brother everything unlike those fans that made it their goal to hate Sam no matter what.
After 6 years I still don't understand how someone following the show, continues to do so while hating 50 percent the show is about, Sam.
All those who still don't get that Sam and Dean are equally important for the show, go watch it again starting with the pilot up to 6.22. And if you still don't get it, watch another show.
Supernatural = Sam & Dean......got it?
That's the spirit Carmen!!
ReplyDeleteWe are Supernatural fans! Hellatus is almost over! Let's celebrate, just a few more days and our favorite show is back on air!
Let the haters hate, and ignore their rants!
If you think Dean will be blamed if Sam goes off on his own, I think you are mistaken. Bobby sometimes pushes Dean to go after Sam, but that isn't "blame", that is gruff encouragement. This family encourages its members to do the right thing by locking them in the panic room... or knocking their lights out. It isn't "blame" it is concern :-)
ReplyDeleteI need to see each episode before I make judgements. I might have fears or concerns, but I don't judge until I have proof.
Although I didn't like last season's premiere (too slow of a start), in the overall scheme of Season 6, I loved it. I think Sera and crew have done a wonderful job so far. If I see an episode and I don't like it, I usually give myself a couple of episodes to re-think it because I try to look at the story as a whole and not just what I want to happen. Sometimes our opinions can be colored by what we expect or what we want.
If one goes into an episode expecting the worst, one will probably find it. If one watches with an open and curious mind, then the magic that is Supernatural can be better appreciated.
As my son likes to say, Don't hate... appreciate!
Thank you for posting Maisie, I was beginning to feel alone too, with all the hate and negativity.
ReplyDeleteI can't wait to see Jewel as Amy, I'm sure we get a see a story twist none has seen coming, in true Supernatural-fashion. :)
Just one little week! Then our favorite brothers are back on TV!!!!!
Oh that's just ridiculous. Dean's never been nearly as trigger happy as some fans like to paint him. And Sam's always been more than ready to shoot first so long as it's not some monster chick he's hot for or some monster duded he personally identifies with.
ReplyDeleteDear DarUFO,
ReplyDeleteI think it's discriminatory of you to tell everyone to calm down by answering SammyWsGirl's post and no one else's.
I was on this thread for a long while yesterday and she never insulted anyone of her own initiative.
At most she responded in an educated way to insults given out gratuitously, but she encouraged everyone to talk and discuss the general aspects of the show which we tried to do.
None of us is perfect and sometimes our enthusiasm overflows but you can't just single out one person and ignore all the others.
I agree that everyone should keep a calm and freindy outlook but you have targeted the wrong person and when something is unfair, I can't let it go,
regards
No, more often than not Dean is flexible. Sam is far far more stubborn than Dean's ever been. More often than not Dean will adjust his views based on individual situations. Sam's the one who has tunnel vision and will only see what he wants to see for long extended periods of time.
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