We spoke with Collins at the Television Critics Association party on Wednesday night, and he helped to shed some light on Castiel's current point of view. "I'll spoil this right now for you -- he does start the season as both a wrathful and vengeful god," Collins says. "But he's also righteous, in his own mind. He thinks that he's doing the right thing."
In the Season 6 finale, Castiel brought down the "wall" in Sam's (Jared Padalecki) mind that protected him from his memories of hell, destroying Sam's mental health in a way that's unfathomable to any other human.
Don't hold your breath for Castiel to make good on that promise, though. "No, he wants Sam to suffer for a while," Collins says. "Sam's basically f***ed."
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Supernatural - Season 7 - Misha Collins interview - Wants Cas to be redeemed
4 Aug 2011
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I think Cas will be redeemed! I have faith in SPN.
ReplyDelete"Wants Cas to be redeemed"
ReplyDeleteWe all do Misha. We all do.
I'm with Misha. I find it funny how so many fans(probably a very vocal minority) are saying they're done with Cas no matter what happens.
ReplyDeleteRedemption has always been pretty important in the SPN universe and Cas deserves a chance at redemption as much as anyone else.
I do want Castiel to be redeemed but I want him to learn a hard lesson first
ReplyDeleteI think I'm in the minority that actually want Cas to become the next villain, so to speak. I think it'd be epic tbh.
ReplyDeleteHope we'll get to see Cas return to his senses and smiting Crowley to a water balloon of chunky soup
ReplyDeleteI don't think he should get off easily.
ReplyDeleteHe has always been ambiguous from the start.
The first time he met Sam he wouldn't even shake his hand.
Then he lets him out of the panic room to free Lucifer.
He drags Sam out of the cage without his soul and then breaks down his wall, plus a lot of other little doubtful bits and pieces throughout the seasons.
When Sam made his mistakes he was always severely punished for them, I don't see why it shouldn't be the same for Castiel.
Perhaps Sam, as the injured party, may feel up to forgiving him one day but I don't think Dean ever will.
I'm excited to see what happens to Cas. Yea, I'll miss his awkward humor, but to be honest, as funny as it is, it was getting old. I wanna see Cas become their new rival and I am so psyched to see where the season is gonna go
ReplyDeleteI don't care if he gets redeemed or not, as long as it's written well. I do however want him to have a chance to be redeemed. This way if he declines redemption, it's his own doing.
ReplyDeleteAlso, unrelated. Do we know for sure that the "Angel Water-Balloon" trick actually kills angels? On screen we've only seen it happen to Castiel (twice), and he always came back. For all we know, maybe it just destroys the vessel, and weakens the angel? (open to other peoples opinions)
I liked the old Castiel a lot! I don't have anything against him being the new god (an the new villain) as long as he's reedemed. I certainly hope Cas will be back.
ReplyDeleteI think i just died. :( I hope Cas will be redeemed and i hope Sam's okay.
ReplyDeleteI could see that working really well.
ReplyDeletePoor Sam. But then again it wouldn't be SPN if one of them wasn't going through, well, Hell...
ReplyDeletejust to defend Cas a bit...
ReplyDeletewhen he hesitated to shake Sam's hand (which he did eventually), he was still angel brainwashed and thought of Sam as "the boy with demon blood", it's obvious that as the proper angel soldier he didn't trust him
he was also freshly brainwashed when he let him out of the panic room, his breakthrough as a character came later
he didn't drag Sam out of the cage soulless on purpose
the only real blame that lies on him was lying to the boys and destroying the wall. And yes, I do believe he will have to fight hard for Dean's forgiveness. The one thing Dean doesn't forgive is hurting his family. And yes, he does deserve a punishment. But he also deserves redemption, more than anyone.
I miss the old Cas. I really hope we get him back before they write him off (although for now, I like the twist with Cas going darkside powerdrunk)
I think he means 'self righteous'
ReplyDeleteI sort of agree isleofskye. I like Cas, but actually of the 4 years (3 seasons) Dean and Sam have known him he has only been unequivocally on the their side for 1 year (in s5). For most of s4 he was still an obedient soldier of the angels. He was following orders that involved manipulating Dean and Sam, from when he rescued Dean right up until he let Dean out of Zach's room in the last ep. He was a fully paid up member of TFW in s5. Then for the year in between s5 and 6, and for all of s6 he was working against them. So you have to wonder if they really know him at all.
ReplyDeleteI am still hoping for his redemption, but not as a major plot line next season. I would prefer them to move on from the angel stuff, and get on with the focus moving back to Dean and Sam and the Butch and Sundance outlaw theme. That sounds awesome to me. I can't wait.
I think the old Cas is already gone. Especially reading things like Cas murdering in the thousands and "he wants Sam to suffer." How do you come back from that, even if the souls are gone?
ReplyDelete2 things concern me: One that we learn that only "God is God" sounds like we are heading back into the religious forte that I hoped we ended in season 5. We've already suffered through enough of this and I hope never to revisit it.
ReplyDeleteSecond, Cas is "also righteous in his own mind." This has never boded well for characters on Supernatural. It's hard to believe that Cas is going to get off easy.
Then I'm in the minority too. MegaloCas was the best thing they could have done with the character. I'm sorry that rumors seem to be pointing to a different Big Bad instead.
ReplyDeleteYou make a very good point. Cas has been working against the Winchesters for over half the time that he has known them, if you consider his Crowley deal as being against them which I do. I hadn't thought about it that way before.
ReplyDeleteInteresting. It was implied that it kills them when Cas was astonished that God brought him back from it and Rachel and the other angels were surprised to see him back. However, I'm not sure that it has been confirmed. I certainly hope it does because I don't need to see Raphael walking around any time soon.
ReplyDeleteI don't really have anything against Cas,
ReplyDeleteWhen he turned up in Lazarus Rising I was thrilled with the angel angle at the time.
I thought it was a daring move on the writers' part,
I think I've just got tired of the angel/heaven storyline and, as he is a part of that , of him and the other angels too.
I would like to go on to something new and fresh for the boys to tangle with.
If Castiel gets redeemed, I'm okay with that but I really can't see him going back to the old relationship he had with the boys.
I think too many things have happened for that to be possible, regards
I'm looking forward to seeing Cas in his delusional, power-crazed persona - if nothing else it gives Misha a change to 'stretch his wings' with the character at last. Up till now all Cas does is provide quick fixes and deadpan comic relief. Misha deserves more than that as an actor.
ReplyDeleteI hope there is redemption for Cas - before he goes back to heaven and stays there. Time for the story of the Winchesters to move on.
And if Cas is written out, I can't wait to see what else is in store for Misha - the man is awesome!
I know that a lot of people compare Sam's journey with Castiel's but I always feel that Castiel should have been more aware of what he was doing, he was an angel, after all.
ReplyDeleteHe comes over as never being really sure what was going on, a bit naive as it were.
However, everyone has a right to redemption but what he did to Sam was cruel, he could have found another was to stop Dean without taking it out on poor Sam.
I also find it difficult to believe that he didn't realize that Sam didn't have a soul when he pulled him out of the cage.
However that is all in the past. We'll have to wait and see what the writers pull out for the future.
Bring on Butch Cassidy but not a tragic ending, regards
I only started watching the show because I got sucked in by the "big storyline" of Season 4 that included angels and demons and the Apocalypse on TNT. To me that made the show so much MORE than a serial monster of the week show, which is ok, but not enough to maintain my interest for long. I need a larger story arc to keep me invested for the whole season//every episode. Because of this, I then went back and watched every single episode to know the backstory of the characters and then forward to catch up. I made an enormous emotional investment in Castiel, because to me he provides for Dean the same role that Dean provides for Sam. That's something I feel that Dean has NEVER really had. Since he was a child he's always had to be the protector and give everything for Sam, and Cas is the only being capable of being strong enough to do that for Dean. I love Dean, I don't want them to take that away from him. Because Castiel would do anything for Dean, and has, even this whole God thing is a "road to hell is paved with good intentions" episode all aimed at preserving Dean. So I'm afraid, I don't want them to kill him off, because it will f-ing hurt. I will cry. I will scream at the TV. I won't stop watching, because I still love Dean. But I really wish they wouldn't do this to them, and by extension me.
ReplyDeleteI'm with you on the first four lines of your post - about preferring the bigger storyline. As for their relationships, I thought Sam used to have the healthier perspective - he loves his brother and would die for him, but he also needs to do things for himself. I didn't think Dean's feeling that he always had to be the protector was at all healthy, and I'm hoping that we've seen the last of the lopsidedness of the earlier seasons. Same goes with Dean and Cas. While it's nice to see Dean getting the attention he needs, I also liked that Cas got angry near the end of this past season when Dean couldn't back him the one time he asked. Their relationship shouldn't be lopsided either.
ReplyDeleteJust to raise a couple of points here, Cas may have only been unequivocally on their side for one year, but he was unequivocally on the side of doing what he believed was right all three years (except for maybe at the tail end of this past season). He backed the angels in season 4 because he believed it was God's will, and he partnered with Crowley in season 6 because he believed that was the best way to prevent Raphael from restarting the Apocalypse. I like that there are shades of gray in SPN. A show in which the main characters are always automatically right and everyone who opposes them are automatically wrong would bore me.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Cas wasn't the first person to partner up with Crowley. Dean argued for doing that at the end of season 5, and then both Sam and Dean worked for Crowley for several weeks in the beginning of season 6. While Cas was working with Crowley, he was also protecting Sam and Dean from Crowley, so I'm not sure this all is so black and white.
Please don't kill Cas we love him!
ReplyDeleteWhile I understand what you're saying, I have to disagree on some points. Brainwashed or not, Cas knew the apocalypse was going to happen, he just decided at the last minute to tell Dean that Lilith was the final seal. He's never taken on his part of the responsibility in starting the apocalypse. Sam and Dean still don't know that it was Castiel who let Sam out of the panic room to go kill Lilith. Cas played a pretty big part in all of it too and he's never owned up to what he's done unlike Sam who has.
ReplyDeleteThe way I see it is that Cas has always been conflicted, with good reason, but when Cas was working for the angels, he was very upfront about that. He believed he was following the will of God, and he never tried to hide it. I don't think he knew about Lilith being the final seal prior to being brought to Heaven in The Rapture, and when he came back he was reprogrammed. He made it clear to Dean right away that he was working for the angels; he was not working for Dean. I'd like to see him tell Dean and Sam that he opened the panic room. It wouldn't change anything, but it might give Sam some closure to see the degree in which the angels were manipulating him. Honestly, I think the reason we haven't seen that is just that the show's moved on. Things sometimes get dropped.
ReplyDeleteI think Cas's way of taking responsibility for the role he and his angel brothers played in the Apocalypse was putting his life on the line - putting himself between the archangels and Dean on more than one occasion - rather than talking about it.
I don't understand. So, then Cas blaming Sam and Dean for "destroying the world" in early Season 5 is justified? Telling Dean that he gave up everything for him blah blah blah, and he (Dean) failed makes all that okay just because he was "brainwashed" or whatever? I'm sorry but I'm not buying that brainwashed stuff. Because to me, that's just not true. Cas knew exactly what he was doing. He was not some braindead angel.
ReplyDeleteI saw Cas regretting giving everything up to help Dean and Sam (he tells Dean that himself in S5, ep 2), yet he's still the one who let Sam out of the panic room and never told Sam and Dean he did it. Sam deserves that closure after everything he's been through. Sam also never even found out that that voicemail wasn't Dean, and Castiel was a part of that angel plan too. He wouldn't have been trying to keep Dean from going to Sam otherwise. He knew exactly what the angels and demons had planned for Sam and that was to break him so he would break the final seal. He only finally grew a conscience too late.
He's the one who blames Sam and Dean for destroying the world/starting the apocalypse when he himself has one of the biggest reasons FOR starting it in the first place and that was letting Sam out and keeping Dean from being able to contact his brother or get to Sam by locking him away in the beautiful room. Then he goes on to refer to Sam as an abomination later? Sorry, I hardly see how Castiel yelling at Dean and telling him that he and his brother destroyed the world and he gave up everything he had for them and they failed and lay the blame solely on them when he's a huge part of the blame himself is hardly being conflicted.
You also talk about Cas putting himself in front of Dean when it comes to the archangels, but how about Sam throwing himself into the cage to save the whole entire world? I see Sam attacked and condemned and tore apart for it consistently, but we get Castiel who doesn't own up to his part in starting the apocalypse is completely ignored or him putting himself in front of an archangel is noble. Sam is constantly owning up to everything he did, the repeated apologies, the sacrifice, but yet we see nothing from Cas. No acknowledgment on his part, but Sam repeatedly torn apart. Just sayin. =/
I didn't see much blame about the Apocalypse coming from Cas. His anger seemed to be directed at Dean giving up without a fight. Cas forfeited his life and went against everything he was raised to believe in to help humans (which isn't even his species) by stopping the Apocalypse. He did it because Dean convinced him it was worth fighting for. And when Dean stopped trying, Cas got angry. I don't think his comment to Sam about being an abomination was meant as a judgment, but was meant as a factual statement. Cas tends to be blunt. Sam, being Lucifer's vessel who was drinking demon blood, was seen as an abomination in Heaven.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Sam hate, it's not coming from me, so I don't know what to tell you.
Go back to Season 5, episode 2: Good God, Y'all-
ReplyDeleteCastiel: "I'm hunted, I rebelled, and I did it all of it for you and you failed. You and your brother destroyed the world, and I lost everything for nothing. So keep your opinions to yourself."
If you ask me, that sounds a lot like Cas blaming Sam and Dean for starting the apocalypse, and it sounds to me like Castiel isn't accepting responsibility for his part in starting the apocalypse at all, such as lying, sneaking around, letting Sam out, not letting Dean get to Sam, knowing the angels' plan to start the apocalypse, etc...
You're pulling that quote out of context. Before he says that he comes to Dean with a plan to find God to help them. Dean makes jokes, and tells Cas that God doesn't care, so Cas starts getting irritated and tells Dean that his plan is strategic, not theological. Dean dismisses it again as a "pipe dream" rather than offering to help, and that's when Cas gets really angry and makes this statement.
ReplyDeleteCas had nothing personal to gain by helping Dean but everything to lose. He has a right to react too.
We're just going to have agree to disagree, because I really don't feel that I am. I never said that Cas had no right to react, but him blatantly stating that Sam and Dean destroyed the world and he lost everything because of them, sounds a lot like blame to me. That's hardly taking a quote out of context.
ReplyDeleteHow is this any different than Sam going all wonky on demon blood? Cas didn't seek out this situation, it was thrust upon him. He started out with good intentions. I think the best "punishment" would be to go from all powerful to powerless. Make him human at the end.
ReplyDeleteI've actually been wondering what "death" means for an angel. Mostly because I want Gabriel and Balty back, LOL.
ReplyDeleteDitto to most if it. I watched sporadically before season 4, but season 4 is where everything came together for me. The overarching mythology elevated the show. Yellow Eyes and Sam, Lillith, all of it hinged on the apocalypse story. Where they go from here is any guess, but I'd like the fight that Team Free Will fought in season 5, including Cas, to be vindicated when this Cas as God story arc is finished. Right now it seems like the show is taking the stance that the apocalypse should have been allowed to happen and all of this bad stuff is a result of messing with the natural order of things. And I certainly hope there's more to the final seasons than monster of the week stuff. To me, MOWs are usually a fun diversion, but i that's the filler rather than the meat of the show.
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