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Supernatural - Castiel: It's About the Souls

1 Aug 2011

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This is part one of a three-part series looking at the season 6 story of Castiel.
“It’s his soul, it’s missing.” – Cas (speaking about Sam) (ep. 6.7)
“I'm an angel, you ass. I don't have a soul to sell.” – Cas (6.20)
“It all comes down to the souls in the end.” – Crowley (6.20)

Season 6 of Supernatural started with the reintroduction of Sam, but it didn’t take long before it became obvious that there was something wrong with him. We learned the answer in Family Matters – that his soul was missing. As the first half of the season continued, we saw the importance of a soul by witnessing one of our favorite characters altered. Sam, who was known for his puppy dog eyes – his ability to see into others’ souls and nonverbally express compassion, became an ice-cold killer with no compassion for the people he still tried to save as a hunter, and his instincts for reading people appeared damaged.
As the season progressed, we began to see a bigger, more global story unfold. The horseman Death gave Dean a lesson on the natural order and cryptically told him that he wanted Dean to keep digging at something. What exactly that something was, he wouldn’t reveal, but he gave Dean a hint. It was about the souls. In the last few episodes of the season, we found out that much of the disruption in the world and in Heaven that we were witnessing – including the angels’ civil war and the return of the mother of all monsters – could be traced back to an unholy alliance between Cas and the King of Hell. And what was more, Cas – trusted friend and unofficial brother – had never had a soul.
Viewers and the Winchesters struggled with trying to understand how their beloved angel, the “Balki Bartokomous of Heaven,” could have turned so dark so quickly. And the question emerged – how much of Cas’s actions could be attributed to his lack of a soul?
While soulless Sam seemed incapable of caring about other people or any ideals, Cas throughout the past three seasons had demonstrated time and again a willingness to risk his own safety to help those he cares about and the cause of stopping the Apocalypse. And he continued to show affection for Sam and Dean in season 6. But on the other hand, there were parallels that emerged between the thought processes and decisions reached by soulless Sam and by Cas.
Both soulless Sam and Cas focused on the big picture at the expense of human empathy. Soulless Sam was willing to let his brother be temporarily turned into a vampire so to give the Campbells a strategic edge in catching the alpha vamp (6.5). Soulless Sam was also willing to use innocent humans as bait (6.13), and he chose to kill the female bartender in The Man Who Knew Too Much rather than lose his prey, a demon holding her hostage.
Cas admitted early in the season that his “people skills are rusty” (6.3), and appeared to have become quite adept at torture for achieving his end result (6.19). He rolled his eyes at Dean and Sam’s insistence on saving a couple of young boys in Mommy Dearest, but instead reminded Dean of the “bigger picture.” He killed his angel brothers for the cause. Finally, he crashed Sam’s wall that were keeping Sam’s Hell memories out, knowing that the act may kill Sam, in order to get Dean off his trail in trying to stop his plan to open a door to Purgatory.
Both soulless Sam and Cas also appeared only partly aware of their moral deficiencies. In the case of Sam, he remembered that he used to be different, and when he asked Dean to join him hunting, he said it was because Dean cared about the victims. But on the other hand, he later denied that he needed Dean and tells Dean that he did “just fine” being on his own for a year, before he hooked up with Dean (6.9). Cas defended his actions and told Dean to stay focused on “the bigger picture” (6.19), but he also expressed doubts and begs God for a sign to indicate whether he is on the right path (6.20).
“I was on my own for a whole year, and I was just fine.” – Sam
“I don’t want to hear your definition of fine.” - Dean (6.9)
“You don't even see it, do you? How totally off the rails you are.” -Dean to Cas (6.22)
Finally, there is symmetry in the way the two story arcs concluded. The soulless Sam arc ended with Sam trying to kill Bobby, a man he considered to be like a father to him, in an effort to scar his vessel so badly that his soul couldn’t return. Cas’s arc concluded with him crashing Sam’s wall – an act that could easily have killed someone he considered a brother – in what was possibly an effort to sever the link to the Winchesters.


“You've got no instinct. I mean, you are seriously messed up. … if we do this … you tell me everything, whether you think it's important or not, because, trust me, you can't tell the difference.”

- Dean to soulless Sam (6.7)

But while there were similarities between soulless Sam and Cas, there were also differences. With soulless Sam, the issue of his soullessness was portrayed as physical defect. Without the soul, he was handicapped in making human decisions about right and wrong. However, when the big ball of white light was put back in him, and he was instantly back to the old Sam (once he woke up) – questioning Dean’s methods in stealing a victim’s diary and empathizing with the family of the victims. And whereas soulless Sam seemed to be motivated exclusively by self-preservation and admitted to having lost the capacity to feel any kind of attachment for another – including his brother – even in season 6, Cas repeatedly demonstrated attachment to the Winchesters – trying to hug Sam when his soul was returned from Hell, and intervening when Fate wanted to kill them.
Angels and Emotions
So the question becomes, can angels without souls experience true human emotions and connections? When we were first introduced to Cas in season 4, he appeared more soulless than human. He explained that angels were warriors of heaven, not guardians (4.2), and referred to the “bigger picture” on more than one occasion (4.7). When he told Anna he was “sorry” for having to turn her in to the angels in season 4, she replied “No. You're not. Not really. You don't know the feeling” (4.10). Cas told Dean that his superiors feared he was getting too close to Dean and was beginning to experience emotions, which were the gateway to doubt.
But unlike Sam, who experienced an instant change once his soul was reinserted, Cas’s transformation to seeming more human was gradual and there was no physical change. In seasons 4 and 5, Cas repeatedly put himself in a position where he might be killed for Dean and for the cause of defeating the Apocalypse. When Dean appealed to Cas’s sense of right in wrong in Lucifer Rising, Cas relented, defying his angel superiors and putting his life at risk to help Dean stop Sam from killing Lilith (4.22).
But when Cas was apart from the Winchesters for a long period of time, he gradually reverted back to acting more soulless again. Dean asked him, “What happened to you, Cas? You used to be human, or at least like one” (6.6). But even in season 6, when Cas was mostly back to his old warrior behavior, Cas still showed signs of emotion regarding the Winchesters, as he made decisions that would hurt his own cause of defeating Raphael after the threat of danger to Sam and Dean. One example is Cas relenting to Fate and giving up the 50,000 souls he could have used in his war against Raphael. Another is continuing to protect Sam and Dean against Crowley.
A question I’ve had is how much should we read into Cas’s season 4 and 5 behavior. Was it a sign that angels don’t need a soul the way humans do? Or was it just a break in the continuity of the writing? The writers most likely didn’t know they would be building a season on souls before they started planning for season 6, and there were already two seasons of Cas written at that point, so a break in continuity sounds reasonable.
Souls as Fuel
But an interesting concept that the writers introduced in season 6 is that angels can use human souls as energy. If Heaven gets its energy from souls, do they get anything else from souls as well? Could Heaven’s morality and values merely be a reflection of the goodness in human souls? In Old Testament times, angels were portrayed as fierce warriors enforcing the wrath of God – values that reflected society of that time. Twenty-first century angels on Supernatural were portrayed as greedy, corporate opportunists. Could Heaven be just a reflection of the human world? Was the reason that Cas, and also Gabriel, seemed more human for a while, their daily interaction with people? And if Cas switches out human souls for monster souls as his fuel, how will that change Cas?
Parting Questions
Throughout the first half of the season, Dean refuses to accept Sam’s soulless state and calls Sam a “replicant” in front of Cas because Sam doesn’t have a soul. Cas, on the other hand, sometimes appeared defensive and challenged Dean’s decision to risk Sam’s life by putting a damaged soul in his body rather than leaving Sam soulless. Knowing that Cas also doesn’t have a soul, does this change your interpretation of these scenes?

How much of what we saw in season 6 do you think was due to Cas not having a soul, and where should this go from here? Should Cas get a soul if he survives the first few episodes of next season?

Next Week: Cas ... Winchester?

71 comments:

  1. Ooh, interesting article! Can't wait to read more next week.

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  2. This three-part series is the story I wanted to write.  I spent a while after the series ended, trying to figure out what it all meant.  Writing this out helped me organize my thoughts and make a little sense of out it.  Hope you enjoy it.

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  3. I have never seen any evidence to suggest Cas doesn't have a soul, only that he doesn't know how to use it. I equated Cas' issues this past season with something Sam-like too but because of a similarity with what happened when Sam was addicted to demon blood, and now Cas is addicted to using souls, not to the whole Robo-Sam plotpoint.

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  4. There's a line in The Man Who Would Be King, in which Cas tells Crowley that he doesn't have a soul because he's an angel.  I'm taking that as true.

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  5. Great article, really interesting to read.
    You've made lot of great points here
    What I think is though, what defines a soul? Because cas isn't human, therefore he doesn't have a soul. But monsters weren't human either and they have souls. I think it's all very confusing. Cas and soulless sam sort of contradict each other in that sense. Sam proved that without a soul people are cold and emotionless. But cas proved that even if he didn't have a soul, he could still feel compassion and create a meaningful friendship. But both of them changed their behavior when they were around dean. Sam, to decrease deans suspicion of him, tried to act better, as If he had a soul. And, as you stated, it was being around dean that made cas more friendly and compassionate. Because cas wanted to help dean. And dean can be very persuasive. So maybe it's not really the soul that's the big issue but the way people act when around others. I dunno
    Can't wait for the next part :)

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  6. Thank you for that interesting read. It's nice to have someone formulate these overviews from time to time and maybe showing us things we hadn't thought about. And so eloquently put, too. :)

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  7. Very insightful article. The points made are very interesting and gives rise to a whole host of questions. I will be waiting for the next two parts. 

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  8. Thought provoking, thanks for sharing.

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  9. Or that Dean seems to be the glue that holds that 'family' together.

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  10. love it! I feel like such an idiot when I read your (as in every body else) "analysist???" about this show... My brain is not working that hard when I watch this show :( But NICE :D

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  11. I struggled with some of these questions while writing this.  While I can't believe the inclusion of the line about Cas not having a soul in a season about souls was random and meaningless, there were some big contradictions in the way Cas was portrayed in comparison to Sam.

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  12. Thank you, glad you liked it.

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  13. Castiel told Crowley that he doesn't have a soul in I think it was TMWWBK.

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  14. Thank you.  I think I'll be raising more questions than I'll be answering.  :P

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  15. going back to "lore"(not for me personally but religion), angels are created beings so do they need souls? absolutely not! they were created to serve God. man on the other hand, was created to have  choose to serve God or not!
     interesting aspect to explore! i personally dont believe that this will play into the cass scheme of redemption which i totally believe will happen! it's that "how" of restoring cass back to cass that the writers will give us!  

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  16. Thanks for the feedback.

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  17. As interesting as this was, I believe he doesn't have a soul as he's not human. All creatures in the series with souls are either human, or a variant of human (monsters).

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  18. I am not certain that Castiel really had any interest in protecting Sam.  He was completely willing to use Sam to hunt alpha's during his soulless period.  His protectiveness of Sam only came into play once he was part of Sam and Dean.  For all of Cas's proclamations of being Sam's friend he did not act in that manner during season six.  Perhaps he still regards Sam as "an abomination".  He was uninterested in the fact that Sam's soul continued to be tortured in Hell.  He was willing to break Sam's wall to stop Dean, but unwilling to harm Dean himself.  He has admitted to a more "profound bond" with Dean. I believe that Castiel's relationship with Sam is solely based on his honest affection for Dean.

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  19. One thing I don't get is what was stopping Soulless Sam from using his powers? Surely he's want to be at the top of his game, and as powerful as he could be...

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  20. I agree with this.  I think the fact that he doesn't have a soul became an issue when Cas started adopting some of the Winchester values, such as freedom and choice.  I address this point in more depth in the next article.

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  21. When I get more time after work, I will be all over this article. :)

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  22. I hope they address this next season.  Even if they don't want to give Sam back his powers, I'd like to know where they went.

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  23. Thanks for commenting.  I'll be touching on the role of angels a little in the next article.

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  24. pinkphoenix19851 August 2011 at 16:21

    a very insightful review!

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  25. Now that Castiel is fueled up on souls, it is similar to Sam's demon-blood addiction.

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  26. Yep, when Dean is raking and Castiel is watching him, Crowley comes along and
    tells Castiel that he wants to discuss a simple business transaction and
    Castiel replies with:



    "You want to make a deal? With Me? I'm an angel, you ass. I don't have a soul to sell."

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  27. I am not certain that Castiel really had any interest in protecting Sam.  He was completely willing to use Sam to hunt alpha's during his soulless period.  His protectiveness of Sam only came into play once he was part of Sam and Dean.  For all of Cas's proclamations of being Sam's friend he did not act in that manner during season six.  Perhaps he still regards Sam as "an abomination".  He was uninterested in the fact that Sam's soul continued to be tortured in Hell.  He was willing to break Sam's wall to stop Dean, but unwilling to harm Dean himself.  He has admitted to a more "profound bond" with Dean. I believe that Castiel's relationship with Sam is solely based on his honest affection for Dean. 

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  28. Cas needs to pay big style for ripping sam's soul wall down. Dean will never forgive that in my opinion. Messing with Sam's his biggest no no and considering how hard he tried to make sure the wall was up and safe he'll never get past that. Nor should he in my opinion. I don't know if they'll get past being his enemy but it'll never be what it was.

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  29. This article asks some really good questions.  If Cas has no soul, then it puts a whole different  light on the everything that happened.  You can look at Cas' attitude on things differently.  His actions towards Sam and Dean are seen in a different light.  Everything he's said and done can be seen differently with that idea in mind.  Wow!  I can hardly wait for the next part.

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  30. Interesting read, even if I don't think Castiel lacking a soul is all that important to the story TPTB wanted to tell. I took it as a throwaway line - angels are not human, never were, and are constructed for different purpose. You can read them as lacking souls - my interpretation is that, as a spiritual beings, they're nothing BUT a soul, of a different sort however. Souls are essential for humans and other sentimental creatures which inhabit the earth as a "spark" of intelligence, life, free will, something that connects them to the spiritual plane. They allow their owners to continue existence even after the death of material bodies. People go to Heaven or Hell, monsters to Purgatory, where they live on. 

    Destruction of the immortal soul is only possible is the said soul is already twisted into a demon. That is the reason I think angels using human souls as fuel doesn't destroy them - it just diminishes them and it doesn't mean that they're useless after that. I think a soul is able to regenerate itself, like the wounded angels do, but it takes so much time that during a war different means of attaining power were necessary. Also, Castiel's reluctance to use Heaven's souls was due to the fact that a soul is sentiment - he wouldn't use ones that deserved eternal happiness. Until MHWGO that is, where he started getting seriously desperate and resonated that these souls never meant to exist in the first place. But that was supposed to indicate his fall. The souls in Hell or Purgatory - that was different thing for him.

    "Was the reason that Cas, and also Gabriel, seemed more human for a while, their daily interaction with people?"
    My theory is like this: if the soul connects earthly beings to the spiritual, I think it also does the opposite. That is why angels need living vessels, with souls still in place. They can "download" some of the compassion and feeling from them and thus the longer they remain in their vessels, the more human they become. Remember when Cas was banished from the earth in "The Rapture"? That was supposed to severe that link and diminish his growing humanity. Same deal with is absence from the human world during the missing year. He became more and more disconnected, having to learn his "people skills" again. But the damage was already done.

    What about Anna? My take on her matter is like that: she never had the true human soul, but as I think angels are more or less like much more powerful versions of human souls, she could easily try to become like one. The angel she was was weakened by the loss of grace, which is the source of angels incredible power, the link to Heaven. What was left of her could pass as an almost-human-soul. The change in her after she reclaimed her grace was profound. At first she tried to act like human, because that's what she remembered, but large part of her was never tarnished by that experience - after her imprisonment in Heaven, she lost her humanity completely.

    Lastly, Sam. His body was resurrected, so he could walk around even soulless. He acted basing on his recollection of how he was before - slowly but surely though, he would become more and more inhuman, up to the point that he stopped caring at all of how people work. I think in time he would become a killing machine, a monster like nothing in the world, animalistic predator, caring about nothing but his own survival. 

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  31. I know what you mean about about  forgiveness and there no blame being held against anyone and he considered Cas to be a brother.  My question is just how much of a brother did he consider Cas?  Will he, Sam, and Bobby be willing to forgive and let it go when Cas finds redemption?

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  32. Killitwithakiss1 August 2011 at 19:03

    Can't wait for the new season!

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  33. cant wait for it to return! it's been to long!

    great article!

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  34. "Cas .... Winchester?" Oh I hope not. Cas needs to go back to heaven and stay there (maybe a 'flying' visit now and then wouldn't hurt). Supernatural loses some of its edginess when there's an instant fix for everything.  

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  35. angels don't have souls but they are emotions for sure...so soul and emotions are not connecting...it's an interesting article but sam souless didn't seem looking like castiel because the angel always took care of the boys and humanity even when he made a deal with crowley, sam acting selfish in this time...angel without soul and human without are not the same because "God" didn't making them the same way...can imagine him created creatures without emotions like his first childrens "the angels" (i'm not believer...just in case)
    really everybody can have his own interpretation of the souls because nobody have a clear theory about that even "the church"...
    for me, angels and humans are too differente to be compare but some angels can feeling emotions, castiel and even balty and gaby are the proove of that
    but i like the final sentence....and if god-cass died and castiel comes back with a soul...and must to learn to live with that...that will be a interesting challenge...

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  36. Thanks for commenting.  It's not a perfect comparison, I agree.  Angels and humans are built differently, and I agree that Cas showed emotions and cared for the boys.  I'm not sure Balthazar really cared about the Winchesters. I think he cared more about Cas and was worried about what Cas was doing, but that's beside the point.

    What I'm wondering is whether that "instinct" that Dean talked about with Sam - how Sam couldn't sense that there was something shady about Samuel - might be missing in Cas because he doesn't have a human soul.  A scene that struck me was Cas sitting in the garden begging for a sign from God.  If a human were in a difficult position and questioning what was right, they would be looking inside themselves (searching their soul) for an answer.  But Cas doesn't appear to have that capacity.  Instead he seems dependent on an outward sign from God.

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  37. This is very interisting. It lets me start to think about the last seasons! Can't wait for more!!!

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  38. This story lets me think about what happend in the last seasons(4-6). It's realy great. Now I'm waiting for more ideas!!!

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  39. Thanks for this alternate viewpoint.  It's very well thought out!  I'm curious what your take is on angels on the show seeming to be having so much trouble with choice and free will.

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  40. It does put a different light on everything.  I could be completely wrong in my interpretation, but I think there's enough there to at least take a close look at the theory.

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  41. I'm hoping next season we get a little more information on what role Cas played in Sam going to work for Samuel and Crowley and when Cas became aware that Sam was missing his soul.

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  42. Thanks for you comment!  I'm hoping to get out the next article - which will take a different angle on the Cas story - next Monday.

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  43. A little less than eight weeks now!

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  44. I don't know how accurately we can answer the parting questions given how little we know about the vessel possession rules that angels abide by.

    For example, angels may be soulless, but their vessels are not. What happens to the human's soul when an angel inhabits his body? Does the angel bond with the soul, allowing them a trace of humanity? Or does the angel fill every part of the body but the soul, just pushing it aside?

    And Castiel's situation is even more complicated since his vessel has died twice. Is Jimmy's soul still present in his body, or did Jimmy's soul move onto the afterlife after his Season 4 or Season 5 death, sticking Cas in a soulless vessel? If an angel possesses a soulless vessel, does that make them different than an angel possessing a vessel that has a soul?

    These questions need to be answered before we can really get around to accurately answering the parting questions.

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  45. I find the "souls as fuel" part the most interesting :) even though all of it was good. I hadn't thought of it before but does the type of soul influence other things? It's a cool question.

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  46. Sesshômaru Takahashi2 August 2011 at 02:40

    Very interesting article thank you!
    Plus, blueteainfusion and V_s made good points in their comments...

    I wish my still-cooking English will not fail me too much but... in my opinion and regarding what happened in the series and your theories, I think that souls ARE emotions (or at least MADE OF emotions).

    First, just because of how Castiel insisted in Family Matters when he asked Sam how he FEELS, and how the same souless Sam insist later about how he feels nothing/doesn't care at all for people...

    Spirits/ghosts (and demons) are basically souls who didn't moved on peacefully because of strong emotions such as anger/regrets/hate-love/greed...

    Angels do not have souls but - even if we were told the contrary - they do feel. They can be angry, ressentful, jaleous, and they can care (about their brothers or for humans). It's just that they don't (can't) EXPERIENCE the WHOLE range of the human emotions. Because they live in heaven, because of the particuliar disposal of their "family", and the fact that even when they go on Earth they don't stay long enough, and don't exactly live like humans do. The case of Anna shaws that since she stayed like two thousand years down here watching what humans experience, she eventualy wanted to feel all of this too like she said.

    So what I think is that souls are made of all the possible emotions, that's what made humans humans. Souless Sam was a living weapon based on Sam's knowledge and personality (Gabriel's endless tuesdays and the months with Dean in Hell, had proved that he becomes a psychopath when Dean is dead after all - I'll come back to this later).

    Then there is Cas. He didn't stay very long on Earth yet, but he strongly experienced a lot of things : peaceful afternoons, betrayal (he was betrayed and has betrayed himself), doubt, iniquity, fear (for himself and for a friend), hangover, freedom, anger, fun... etc.
    And what's makes him different from another angel in the same situation (Gabriel for instence who was very close to humans) is that infamous "profond bound" with Dean. A question then : could it be because he may be the only angel who touched (and he grabed tight aparently) a human soul in his true form ?
    Could something changed in him when he found himself in direct contact with it ? Does that favorised his closeness with humanity ? (also he was quite predisposed, to being very compationate and faithful in his father creation).
    His start of a real friendship with Sam could also be explained by the fact that the two brothers are (kind of ?) platonic soulmates according to Ash's insinuation in 5x16. This explaining too my previous remark about Sam ; I don't want to go too far here, it's not the point and I'm not even sure if I'm serious myself but, it seems that they are really whole when their souls are in the same plan of existance, Dean getting mostly positives emotions and Sam the negatives ones so...

    Anyway, I believe that Cas has the capacity (?) to grow up his own soul if he completes all the variety of human emotions. Honestly I thought that's how the 6th season would finished - the final enemy being Eve, Crowley, Cthulu or whatever.
    Perhaps he's only lacking of feeling forgiven, the other "divine gift" to Humanity with freedom ?

    I almost wrote a novel here and I hope it's not too full of mistakes, but the article was indeed inspiring.
    Can't wait for your next post, thanks again ;)

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  47. yeah, i read your reply and was so confused, coz that wasn't anything i talked about
    thats ok. you made some really good points :D

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  48. i agree. some of the best parts of seasons 1 and 2 were the brothers using their genuine smartness to get themselves out of situations. nowadays its always just 'call cas'. i love cas but i think much less angel interference and heaven mentioning is needed. bring back the monsters!

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  49. Very interesting article. I'll definitely comment more on it when I'm not so busy.

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  50. This is very well expressed.  Thank you for responding.  I like your interpretation of souls as emotions and that the reason that angels don't experience the whole range of human emotions is because of their distance from humans while in Heaven.  I also like the idea that Cas has the ability to grow his own soul by experiencing more emotions.  Nice novel!

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  51. Thanks for the comment.  If it's true, it might follow that Cas being around Crowley so much in the past year made him a little more demony.

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  52. I'd also like to know what the angel's relationship is to the soul that inhabits its vessel and whether an angel can take or stay in a vessel without a soul.  Thanks for commenting.

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  53. Really an interesting theory! Guess we will have to wait until the first episode of the seventh season, how this pans out..

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  54. Sounds an interesting theory. Guess we will have to wait to see how the first episode of the seventh season pans out..

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  55. Castiel is easily one of my favorite characters, very interested in seeing whether or not he is killed off this season or if he actually does get his own spin-off

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  56. "Cas, on the other hand, sometimes
    appeared defensive and challenged Dean’s decision to risk Sam’s life by
    putting a damaged soul in his body rather than leaving Sam soulless. Knowing that Cas also doesn’t have a soul, does this change your interpretation of these scenes?"

    Castiel apparently hadn't even known that humans could live without souls, as Sam's case seemed to be without a precedent in the history of humanity. When a human sold his soul to a demon, that human died when the demon came to collect his due. His ignorance was also the reason he didn't realize something could be possibly missing when he brought Sam back from the Cage!

    So, what did Castiel see, looking at Sam? A human who was healthy, strong, an outstanding hunter, understood why Cas had to check the little murderer's soul in 6x03, and was lukewarm about getting his soul back (Dean was the one who was gang-ho about it). It truly wouldn't make sense to Castiel to risk Sam's life by re-inserting a now damaged soul to him.

    As for Cas acting more human in S5, I believe that was explained in canon by being cut-off from the Host, therefore losing his angel powers gradually and becoming human.

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  57. "So maybe it's not really the soul that's the big issue but the way people act when around others."

    That's interesting, and true when it comes to the Winchesters: "we keep each other human" (5x04). It'd make sense that Cas, having become a member of the Winchester family, partakes in this necessity to be around each other constantly.

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  58. - You obviously chose to disregard the fact Castiel was the one who DESCENDED ALL ALONE TO LUCIFER'S CAGE, on the deepest level of the 9th circle of Hell, to free Sam from the Archangels who were using Sam as a punchbag. The Archangels who had such a beef with Cas they'd happily tear him apart next time they met!

    - He saw no point in returning a now damaged soul to a healthy Sam, and warned Dean about it (Dean was the one who was gang-ho about Sam being re-souled, not Sam himself).

    - He moved to hug Sam when he first saw him awake.

    - He was deeply hurt in 6x20 that Sam would ever think Cas would bring him back soulless on purpose.

    Cas' affection for Sam is independent of his affection for Dean. It's true we didn't see it develop on screen (the writers are to be blamed for this), but Cas turned against Anna in S4 to protect Sam because "Sam is my friend".

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  59. You're not wrong about angels operating in a totally different way than humans (although we don't know if this is only because of the lack of soul), because Edlund had explained in an interview before 6x20 aired that Cas has reverted back to being an angel, a machine, and the question was whether the Winchesters could reach the human part that was left inside the angel (but he didn't want to spoil it, so he didn't answer).

    (of course, now we know the depressing answer, whether it's because the Winchesters didn't try enough or because the angel part would have won out anyway...)

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  60. "Perhaps he's only lacking of feeling forgiven, the other "divine gift" to Humanity with freedom ?"

    I really-really hope you're right and Castiel manages to revert to his true self when he experiences forgiveness, like Sam managed to overpower Lucifer when Dean told him he was there for him.

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  61. I didn't disregard anything. You and I view Cas's actions differently.  We have no idea exactly how Cas got Sam's body out of the Cage, because he spent most of the season denying that he had done so.   I also am not certain that he brought Sam back for Sam's sake or for Dean's.  He only watched Sam until he realized that Sam (for whatever reason) was not going to Dean then he promptly gave up on Sam, refusing to even come down and tell the story that he had no idea of how Sam was raised.

    As to not wanting to return a damaged soul to Sam, he made no offer to find a place of rest for Sam's soul.  He was more than willing to allow one of the most important parts of Sam to continue to be tortured. As to the hug, it may have been real affection, it may have been calculated to fit into his continued performance that he was unable to return Sam himself and was happy to see Sam restored, even against his wishes.  Since much of Castiel's motivations were obscure until the end of the season, and his actions were often lies (see burning Crowley's bones), we have no way of telling what prompted the hug.

    In season five both times that Castiel proclaimed his friendship with Sam (to Lucifer and to Anna) my reaction was where the heck did THAT come from?  Other than words I didn't see any real affection for Sam.  Castiel continued to remind Sam that Sam was "an abomination" and Castiel continued to relate to Sam only with Dean in the picture.  You can blame that on the writers.  I can attribute that to the writers intending us to question the statement from the get go.  I can also attribute it to wanting to protect Sam because he did not want Dean hurt, not because he had any affection for Sam.

    Soulless Sam looked "hurt" when Castiel answered Dean's prayers immediately, yet we later learn that SS did not feel that type of emotion.  Personally, I interpreted Castiel's reaction as surprise and offense that Sam and Dean would question his raising of Sam.  He also very specifically did not deny the accusation.  Considering everything Sam and Dean had just discovered about Castiel's actions throughout two years, Sam had every reason to be suspicious.

    You see Cas as a friend to Sam.  I see Cas as someone who raised Sam, realized something went wrong, then washed his hands of him.  Castiel was adamant that DEAN not be involved in his and Crowley's plans, yet he allowed Sam to become involved.  There was no hands off policy for Sam and when push came to shove, Castiel was more than willing to throw Dean into the alpha hunt with all its dangers instead of insisting that Sam and Dean both become off limits.   I don't see any real friendship or affection for Sam from Cas.  Obviously mileage varies.

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  62. a lot to think about on to part 2

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  63. hmmm well demons would have souls because it was explained that demons were once humans but were corrupted....like how ghosts are dead people who decided not to pass on and eventually become restless spirits. Angels were never human though...so that would explain why. However its a bit weird that an angel can fall from grace and become human...therefore gaining a soul. Castiel definitely does NOT seem soulless to me. So I think its more of thing where angels have less of a soul and as Cas interacted with Dean & Sam more he grew to have one.

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  64. You choose to interpret all Castiel's actions differently than you'd do if they were Dean's or Sam's, but Cas wasn't a villain in SPN, he's as much a hero as they are and his actions are as good-intentioned as theirs, so yeah, I believe your interpretation of his actions is incorrect.

    I'll only reply on this part: "Castiel was adamant that DEAN not be involved in his and Crowley's plans, yet he allowed Sam to become involved."
    That was natural, because Dean had retired to form a family with Lisa and Ben, while Sam had gone back to hunting, so Sam was by default the only one available.

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  65. Great article, it really made me think!

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