Hey Guys,
Consider this my sequel to my 'Where Has TV Gone Wrong' article from February this year.
We are approaching the time of year that we all get excited for. That moment is around mid-September when the television industry launches the next wave of ‘home’ entertainment- the hope to create a brand which becomes commercially successful. However times, they are a-changin'. It is still only in the very early seeds of development but I feel it is beginning to become more visible with each passing year. This is that television is no longer just about watching.
It is an experience.
Television these days is not necessarily spending one hour a week with a group of characters and then going the rest of the week without sparing them a thought. Now it is about interaction, it is about connecting. It encompasses all areas of life; we wear it on t-shirts, we have it on our desktop backgrounds, it sits on our DVD shelves and we read it in magazines.
The perfect example of such a show is LOST. LOST transformed the medium of television into the on-line experience with people who lived and breathed every ounce of island related air. There may be other shows which also started this process, but none succeeded or were as important as LOST. The show deserves a lot of credit in how it changed television. Whether you found its ending to be worthy of the time you put into it is irrelevant. That’s not the point I’m trying to make. To many people, LOST was about the journey and the experience of trying to understand the grand-mythos of life on the island. A LOST fan would do that with people across the globe. Perhaps had The X-Files been born a few years later it would have done the same, but the simple truth is that LOST was a success not just because of its quality and scope. It was because it launched at the time when television was finding its connection with the online world and the way LOST was created was the ideal fit to do so.
If you look around the web, you will find that a lot of websites and communities were born out of what LOST did or what people tried to copy from it and use in their own shows. Regardless of whether you loved LOST or not, the fact that you are reading this article is credit to what happened between 2004 and 2010.
There is no denying that nowadays all shows are beginning to find their feet on-line. Some shows have moved faster than others, often the shows that have larger mythologies that require analysis. Supernatural, Fringe, The Vampire Diaries are examples of these sort of shows, which nowadays have entire online experiences created by fans that others can immerse themselves into without even watching the official product. There still are shows that continue on from the pre-internet experience days, but those shows such as CSI will be the last of their kind. Looking at more recent types of the CSI format, The Mentalist and Castle amongst others, it’s even clear to see here that communities are forming that can create fan-fiction and other online experiences about these characters. There is a reason why Law & Order: LA should fail whilst The Mentalist should not. One show is living in the pre-LOST time, and the other is adapting to the post-LOST world.
Within the next ten years television will have changed completely. It will soon be a worldwide enterprise. If it hasn't then it will perhaps not exist at all. The perfect and easily relatable subject is films. Films are using worldwide launches much more regularly than they did even four to five years ago. When one country gets to see a movie, so does every other country. Look at Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End as well as the final Harry Potter. Both films opened to virtually every country within twenty four hours. Everyone got together, globally and watched them. Look at the box office figures of both movies and you will see just how incredibly popular they were. Sure, they both came from big franchises, but that is irrelevant. The key factor is that for the week leading up to those releases, if you were talking about films you were talking about those films. That is regardless of where you were in the world.
Television is still not at this advanced stage. Admittedly it is a tougher format to transfer to a global market, but it is still too far behind. Even shows such as House, The Mentalist & Fringe had UK airings which were still (at a minimum) being released seven days after the US. Whilst some films may be able to cope with this time gap, I assure you that television will not. It is just not good enough.
That is not because television is much easier to find at a higher quality within hours of an airing. That is not denying that point but it is irrelevant. What is relevant is that being a part of a television show is being part of a community. A film is a two hour 'dip' into the life of a stranger who you can connect with briefly, likely only once, and then you leave his world behind. Television isn't a 'dip' into the world, it's an immersion. You stick with these characters for years. In a bizarre way, you don’t just watch the show; you join the life of the characters. The crucial part is that you become part of the community that also immerses themselves with those characters.
That community isn't restricted to being just within the walls of your own home or your own country. It's worldwide. When I want to talk to somebody about Fringe, I could go online and type 'Fringe' into Google. The three top fan-made websites for the show are fringetelevision, fringepedia and fringe here at spoilertv. Clicking on any three of those pages will undoubtedly find me at a point where I need knowledge of the season 3 finale to avoid being spoiled. So if I was in a country where Fringe currently was not available up to that point, then what do I now do? I am alienated from the communities. The result that any television fan will find being pushed into is to watch this show where it is available. That place is unfortunately the many websites that litter the globe with the episodes available illegally. The incredible thing is that the companies who own these shows are the ones pushing their own fans towards these places.
When you look at social media, and how rapidly that has grown thanks to Facebook and Twitter, you can see exactly what the heads of the networks need to know. On a Friday night in September at 9PM Eastern Time I dare you to type #SPN or #Fringe into the search bar. You'll see something that is incredible. You'll see millions of Americans sharing their experience of watching an episode of Supernatural and Fringe. There will be comments, there will be arguments, there will be love and there will be hate. But what there actually is, is connection. That is the connection between the millions of people from across America. In fact, on three occasions in the 2010-2011 season the actors and executive producers of Fringe actually joined in and interacted with the fans first hand!
On that night scroll down a few pages and you'll find a few different kinds of tweets. You'll find the people who aren't in America. They will be either disappointed at being spoiled or they will be angry that they are missing out.
I was one of the many who was awake in the wee hours of the morning seeing how LOST ended. I remember I had a small screen on the left side of my laptop with Jack strolling through the bamboo forest; I also had the darkUFO chat open on the right hand side of my screen with over 5,000 people commenting like crazy. In front of me was my alarm clock in the corner of my eye reading 4:57. That was the greatest moment I have ever been in whilst experiencing television. At that moment, it was clear to me exactly what I was invested in. My heart beating and a slight tear in my eye I found myself there, next to Jack, with thousands of other people watching the last moments of a show I was deeply affectionate for.
Had I sat on my own, without other people there ‘alongside me’ it wouldn't have been the same. After all, don't we as humans like to know what other people think? Why else would we care when someone blasts that film we happened to like? It needs to be officially noted that television isn’t just television any more. To view it in such a way is perhaps the most basic and fundamental error that can ever be made on the subject.
When I said that television is beginning to sow the seeds to understanding this you need only look around. There is everything that television networks, studios and people seeking money from these enterprises should see... I mean I can see it. You can see it. Surely they can!
There is this experience. There is this worldwide community. And it costs them nothing!
That experience transforms thousands/millions of people into devoted followers. So how is it that they can't yet implement changes in these places where there are free communities? Could a multi-million dollar company not find a financially viable method to grant access to a video player? Sites worldwide could embed this beside the chat rooms with the shows playing, with adverts, with actors tweeting and answering questions and interacting with fans over the entire world.
There should be optimism amongst fans of television though. Events such as Comic-Con are beginning to illustrate the importance of the fans and the global community. Elements such as webisodes are starting to bridge that gap. Some networks are offering opportunities for these communities to connect with the actors via conference calls or webcam sessions. Sites and features from names such as Ausiello and Kristen are highlighting to the show runners and network executives the demand there is on the internet from communities.
Even in the darkest of nights, looking at Fringe being renewed for season four is perhaps one of the greatest hints that the message is beginning to get through. I almost see Fringe as an experiment for Fox. It is like an experiment to see what the internet can do for a show which has such a huge community. If that is the case then Fringe fans are lucky, but all fans should look around and watch what happens.
Think back a few years. The writers of America took strike action. It was all about making money online. Remember just how long and hard their opposition fought. That is because they knew, deep down, there’s something worth fighting for.
I'd consider that message received.
Now it is just that wait. Hopefully then we can all breathe easy...
I hope at that point, whatever year that may be, come mid-September and pilot week I can sit down and watch a TV episode of the latest new and exciting TV show with you. All of you.
Together...
AdDHarris
Adam
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Let me know what you think! Agree? Disagree?
ReplyDeleteI don't disagree with the thesis of your post but fandom as a global community existed long before LOST and social media.
ReplyDeleteInteresting piece.
ReplyDeleteI think television at its best is exactly what you described - shows that almost demand that its fans delve deeper than what is presented on TV. Sadly, I think those types of series happy maybe once or twice a decade.
My main concern is that TV executives and the creative teams do not take the time to shape a series or the "world" of their series. Why do that when you can put an 'amusing' character into an everyday environment, have each self-contained episode end in 45 minutes and have the most popular shows on TV. Less thought, less originality and less production cost for them... and if they get the formula right.... they soar to the top of the Nielsen ratings.
Let's take scientists buit give them guns - cops, but put them in the Navy, cops on a beautiful island, cops with a writer, cops with a psychic, psychic cops, cops with phobias, cops with no social skills, doctors with no social skills, doctors with no personal boundaries, attorneys with no personal boundaries, case of the week law shows etc. Most of the series look for a gimmick to catch the audience and then once they discover they have them hooked, they play up the gimmick more and reel them in.
Now don't get me wrong, not all the above barely disguised series are bad necessarily, but they are more of the same and fail to push television forward. Hell in fact a few of them are throwbacks to series of old and in essence move TV backwards. Nothing is wrong with that... not really. It just is not what TV could be or should be.
I hope for the day networks want an original, quality product that is not just the next new version of an old formula that locks a schedule spot down.
I may be the sole person who hasn't seen LOST.
ReplyDeleteTo me, television is an escape. I can't really talk about any shows until friends have seen it. Internet in the last year has distracted me from enjoying shows fully, as I don't just watch it without having to remember what happened.
Just noticing this summer, a lot of shows in the US, going into new seasons still has yet to air in Canada. Although, the shows I've watched had a following, there isn't enough interest to make them last. The opinions of online communities is one-sided.
Which is why it's so easy to find time to watch movies on TV and in theatres. Unlike TV shows, when it ends its run, I just have wait for it to come on TV, usually 6 months to a year. People are willing to hear me talk about movies freely, if I don't give away the ending. I don't have the luxury of DVDs and streaming. That said, I can't watch Cars 2 until I have seen Cars. Why is it not on TV yet?
You aren't the ONLY person to not see LOST.
ReplyDeleteI'd say you are dead right about TV as community....for the people at SpoilerTV. However, there is still a significant population of TV viewers that don't want to invest that kind of time. That's the reason why procedurals do so well in the ratings. Quite honestly, I don't want that kind of commitment in everything I watch. I spend a significant portion of my day with Supernatural. It goes well beyond watching a new episode and talking about it with someone at work. However, if it were that kind of connection with every show, I wouldn't have time to go to work to enable my addiction. I think for most people you have that 1 maybe 2 shows that you really delve deep into. The rest you let slide. Comment when you are already on a site about them but not shows you would actively seek out community and friendships over. Committed TV is extremely rewarding, but it's also exhausting. Sometimes I enjoy watching something I know I won't be dissecting with a thousand people.
ReplyDeleteI don't think he meant LOST was the first. More so that LOST came along at a time when more and more people where getting computers and that the growing online community exploded for TV series around that time.
ReplyDeleteDevoted fans have always found a way to connect, but the prevalence of the internet in the last decade plus has made it easier than ever before.
LOST, as one of the most popular and pop culture connected series at that time (if not ever) was just an obvious example.
Thanks Dahne, now I don't have to bother posting my opinion. Summed up perfectly.
ReplyDeleteLost? Man, X-files - and others to a lesser degree- was the real online cult phenom that began the interactive viewer experience!
ReplyDeleteI think sometimes the problem with modern TV communities is that some shows and some fandoms are so self-centered from the beginning that you have no chance of catching up and fitting in and the longer it gets the harder it becomes for average viewers who don't care about inside jokes and the alien fandom.
ReplyDeleteSometimes online promotion takes it too far making non-fans unable to appreciate the things that *are* important in fiction. The show can be dead already and rotting, but there's this fanbase that keeps it alive and who knows if that's a good thing or bad.
Yeah... that is what I meant :P LOST was the perfect show at the perfect time as the internet really changed in the ways I stated!
ReplyDeleteJust an inference I'm making based on the article: You wouldn't happen to watch a lot of television would you? You wouldn't happen to get extremely passionate about it, would you?
ReplyDeleteYeah... you speak a lot of the truth. I maybe wasn't too clear in the article on one point I wanted to make but decided to leave it out...
ReplyDeleteI know that there are shows that are very procedural and can survive and work well outside of the internet environment, but a lot of even them can grow and can be even more successful if they find a way to integrate the internet more.
I think that the less procedural shows will die however, unless this change happens. The shows which have 'bigger commitments' or can be more of a show with a mythology will dwindle on network TV under the current system. There's no denying that...
I didn't delve too much into all shows so much, however the same can be applied to the ones you're talking about. I only see advantages of making the programming more globally accessible...
ReplyDeleteThe communities don't always have to dissect things, but regardless of your commitment to them its great to have a community to discuss with. And to offer that to everyone in the world is just very exciting... I really hope that changes can happen to get to that place!
:P I don't actually watch as much as some people here :P I have a healthy obsession with shows.
ReplyDeleteI do follow most shows though, whether I watch them or not :P
You are 100% right. I'm sick of being treated like a second class citizen just because I live in the UK.
ReplyDeleteI don't think procedurals will die... I think that's a really bold statement. There are very few shows that are serialized even WITH a global online community behind it that perform on the same level as procedurals tend to perform. As a matter of fact I can only think of 2 that have done great in ratings in the past 20 years on network tv: LOST and The X-Files which the latter was still largely procedural as well.
ReplyDeleteThe less procedural :P
ReplyDeleteOne could argue this is an American market that has nothing to do with the UK at least until it is planned to air over there under the market there... That would be like me complaining about not getting any of the fresh produce in London while everyone over there has access to it every time they walk by. (Well, it would be Kind've like that... let me think of another one...)
ReplyDeleteAHA I have a better one: It's like you're in one theater, and I'm in another and I complain that I want to see what is being played in your theater, but the problem is, programming for your theater is for YOUR audience, not mine. Same here. They are catering basically to the American public and it's not that you're a second-class citizen, you're not really being taken into account because you're not one of the audience that the network broadcasts to. (What I'm trying to say in the most positive way possible is that you're not a second class citizen, you just... aren't a citizen O.o )
Now, that's just a point trying to put it into perspective. Do I agree with that mentality? Not really. I think by this point, we should be doing our best to spread the love for entertainment at least in a way for other places to see it online at the very least.
One more counterpoint: My stance on the issue I must say is slightly ridiculous from a business standpoint because it's all about making money and they want to make money from their key audience and I'd bet that the spread of my show to several other countries would not only be a headache if done via television, but would also be a failure. Just because some people online really want a show right then doesn't mean that everyone does. Also, if done online (which would be more plausible) I'd think there'd still be the hassle of making money--it could be left up to each individual country's counterpart/partner of the network to supply local advertisements for the videos but that sounds a little awful as well, and once again, do you expect millions upon millions to line up for a show that premieres online? I doubt that outside the loyal fanbase, too many people would show up because it is hard to pimp a show out online... It's hard enough to get people to watch tv on an actual tv these days, much less depend on a notable amount of people to show up and watch online advertisements when it'd be just as easy to pirate it...
Sorry, just had a brainstorm going on there. I could continue but I need sleep. :P
Oh jeez. Yep, that means it is time for bed.
ReplyDelete:(
I was JUST thinking "if anything, the serialized shows would die" lol
awesome article
ReplyDeletei know a lot of people who like to watch tv but that is all, they watch it and then they get up and forget about it. but i am not like that. i pick a show and if i like it, i love it. and i want to know everything there is about it and chat to other people who like it and watch it as soon as it comes out. and thats the best thing abou these communities, its being able to talk about my favourite shows with people whoo love it just as much as i do
but the international screening of tv is just awful. down here in australia, i'm lucky if the newest episode comes out in the same month as it does in america and thats if it comes out at all. its no wonder so many people have been turning to watching tv on the internet, sometimes its just so frustrating to be watching a new episode one week and a 2 season old episode the next week
I agree with you :) I remember before I got caught up with the downloading, etc on the internet-- I used have to wait months to watch the new seasons of my tv shows on television...now it is the next day and I feel included in any discussion about the shows (even if it isn't my regular must-watch shows)
ReplyDeleteDear Alan
ReplyDeleteI subscribe to your idea about sharing opinions on what we have seen on tv ( I'm here amn'tI) but I certainly don't want to be globalized in the way you're intending.
When I watch something I like on Tv I don't want to share that experience simultaneously with the rest of the world!
I want to enjoy that episode or whatever, by myself, or with family members, sitting comfortably in my own sitting room and not being distracted by a computer.
I'm all for discussing the pros and cons with others at a later date but that's it.
Then again, not all shows that we see world-wide are American.
Here, in Italy, we have a vast production of home-made tv, tailored fot the Italian public, that will never be shown on American Tv because it is based on this nation's particular cultural references, and that is true for all countries I would say.
It is also difficult to globalize Tv unless we all speak the same language, Supernatural is dubbed very well in Italian but it loses all the little quirks and social references it has in English. There's no jerk and bitch etc.etc and that is definitely a negative for those watching non-english verions of American tv.
In any case, I'm all for world -sharing, but keeping our own individuality is more important, even in Tv and also language -wise, regards
As with another article you wrote about a similar topic months ago about how TV brings people together this is an amazing article to read. It hits me on a level because I agree with everything you say and it sort of validates my love of many TV shows. Like with reading, certain shows can mean certain things to certain people based on a certain aspect or theme of the show which is truly amazing. I love diving into the new worlds and settings and characters in shows, books, and even some video games.
ReplyDeleteThank you Adam for providing with such an eloquent article detailing the wonders of phenomenons and community that can be brought about via TV.
I have to disagree with you about
ReplyDeleteprocedural shows, as I think there will always be viewer around to watch them
as you can not watch them while and still jump strange back into them again. There
always going to be people who want that kind show.
I have to agree with you about TV shows
going global. I live in Ireland and the biggest cable supplier is Sky. Last autumn
one of the reason they advertise to sign up to them was that they were showing
the big American TV shows 24 hrs after the premier in the states. Sky has also
launched a channel, of which it shown are 90% from HBO and from September, they
will be charging for that channel. This shows that there is market over here
and people will pay to see overseas shows quickly after they premier in the
states.
The other thing is that Doctor Who now premier across the globe on
various BBC channel, in less than 24 hrs after it is shown in UK.
I live in Spain and except for this last year, if I wanted to see a US show I had to wait like... I don't know... 4 months at least! if not, years! this last year, I could watch shows on TV only a few weeks later, 3 , more or less, but that's with shows which are popular now, like House or The mentalist. Well, I'm kind of lying XD I can see them if I pay for them in satellite tv , but also they put them some weeks later... so I have to watch them on the internet if I want to see them, let's say, in "real time". Internet is basically sharing, and I'm always surprised of people's generosity to translate subtitles (for example) for others to be able to see their fave show as soon as possible. Most of the times, you'll be able to see a Monday us show on Tuesday morning (morning here, I guess in us would be early morning). and if you are able to see it without subs, you can watch it online at the same time as us residents! :P that always amazes me!! anyways, I quite agree with your point, tv has changed a lot, and for good, I think!
ReplyDeleteThanks to Dahne for introducing me to the term "committed TV." This is something that online sites have spawned, if I'm an example. For instance, at one time I was ready to give up on Fringe. This community helped me see it was worth sticking it out. I gave up on Parks and Rec after the first few episodes, but learned THANKfully that it had greatly improved and now I love it.
ReplyDeleteBefore Internet discussions, all we had available was discussions with those we actually share room air with, and those could never be in-depth. The only other person I actually know who watches Fringe is my DIL. The only person I actually know who watches CSI is my son. My friends are big-time moviegoers, but not TV watchers. When I asked the other night how many of them watch Breaking Bad, nobody knew what I was talking about! (I haven't been watching it either, but how can one have never heard of it).
Before I discovered online sites, I watched less TV in general, and more reality shows. In particular, I liked home decorating and cooking shows and the Friday night standup comics. So I never needed to know anyone's name or follow any particular arc.
"Committed TV," and online sharing, gives me a chance to think deeply about topics that are sometimes abstract. This leads to a deeper understanding of myself and others.
I don't know if everyone would like online sharing. It requires a joy of writing, and not everyone has that. For those who do, partaking in these communities does indeed affect one's involvement in popular culture.
"The perfect example of such a show is LOST."
ReplyDeleteAdam, replace the word "LOST" with "FRINGE." They are interchangeable in your article.
And yes, Fringe fans are very, very lucky, to have a network that supports the show and its creators, and to have showrunners who love us back.
Thanks for the nod to our site. We try very hard to keep all Fringe fans around the world conencted.
And thank you for an excellent article. Know that I'm tweeting it to the Fringe showrunners, because you're right, we are a community. :)
Regards,
I never thought that there`s someone out there who sees this matter exactly like me. I agree with every word. Way to go Adam.
ReplyDeleteI watch my favorite shows while they air in the US (mostly). I can't wait a year for them to be bought and be jerked around by my countries' tv companies. I want to live the experience of discussing, squeeing, etc on a global basis. I like to be part of a fandom, we meet so many people and learn a lot. That doesn't mean I don't watch them later when they air here.
ReplyDeleteSometimes I even wake up at 3 am just to watch them live. Everytime I try to watch them legally (hulu or the network's site) it says it's not available in my country. There has to be other way.
I agree in terms of what is being marketed, but I still think the viewers are a fickle bunch. An example for me is there are lot of not happy LOST -ending fans out there and they will not patrionize Bad Robot's unique conquests on exploring empirical concepts in Macro-Cosmic landscapes. There's a lot of LOST fans that would not watch FRINGE, even though the show started off more procedural and now in season 3 the writing and story have become more heavy to fans that know there stuff...in which some fans have dropped off.
ReplyDeleteI think you have people that want serialized Drama that is both fun and interesting to please both kinds of these fans...for instance TRUE BLOOD and DEXTER you can watch the show at anypoint and still be very entertained whether you know what's going on or not, but at the same time there are surely things written deeper between the lines for those fans who notice them.
For Bad Robot works we see two shows that one, Alcatraz is said to be more procedural and not heavily serialized and has rapid story engine to burn through....Person of Interest according to quotes in the Latest TV Guide Magazine, is going to be very character driven and Nolan aknowleged mysteries and backstories are underneath the general premes...so It looks like both shows offer this big difference...
On another note period shows like Boardwalk Empire and Mad Men have also been interesting because of both filming style and cultural reference heavy, but both shows are heavily serialized and very well written....It will be interesting to see where Pan AM fits in with these shows...in addition then we now have shows that have more super natural or fantasy elements as well...
I think it's the season of the Hero ---of the crime fighter! But those that are looking for less drama or complete ridiculous I don't know besides Jersey Shore what's out there for them, but even it's for a limited time I am greatful that it appears the TV companies want to show us things that give us meaning and make us think and maybe even make us a laugh just at the right times...because right now we live in those hard times.
great article. I agree with Dahne. I'm totally obsessed with NCIS, I have online friends just as obsessed, we dissect every little thing about an episode, read fanfic, find spoilers etc. I don't do that with other shows, I don't do that with people I see every day in my "real life." There's not enough time. My first obsession on this level was the Bionic Woman back in 1976. Now with those DVDs coming out, it's made me wonder how I would have been had I had access to the internet during that time. Back then you watched an episode, it was usually repeated once over the summer and that was it. I bought fan magazines, but you can only get so far on a 12 year old's allowance. I find that the sharing with others, enhances my pleasure for NCIS, it's lots of fun, I've made some friends I may never meet, but will always have a bond with and I'm enjoying every minute of this.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree Adam. I was having this conversation just the other day with a friend who didn't believe the impact of the internet and global community over television. I am sending him this article.
ReplyDeleteVery good article Adam. I have a few thoughts to share. One if that personally there are very few shows that I've felt compelled to go online to talk to other fans about. I watch them, I enjoy them, but I have nothing more to say about them. If my hairdresser brings the show up in conversation, then I'm happy to talk about it, but I don't want to invest time talking with strangers about what is pretty much a straightforward plot. There's also a limit on how much my time I want to invest on TV.
ReplyDeleteGetting involved in an online community can be a mixed bag. On the one hand, it can increase your engagement in the show, and you may find that you've made new online friends. On the other, the negativity about characters and shows seem to flourish online, and you may find yourself suddenly not enjoying the show as much as you used to. Also, as I think you mentioned, it's hard to avoid spoilers online, so that also can either heighten expectations or lessen the experience for you.
Third, I live in the U.S., and I still find it puzzling that all of these shows we're talking about are U.S. shows. Some Americans enjoy foreign films. They might enjoy some foreign TV shows as well. I don't even know where I would go to find foreign TV online, if it's even possible now. If this were to become a worldwide phenomenon, I'd like to see it become a little more balanced.
This is one of the many reasons I miss Lost. The online community was AMAZING. I think a ton of that had to do with the mystery of the show itself. The closest show to that right now, that I can think of, is Fringe. And although there is enough mystery to it, it doesn't even hold a candle to Lost. It seemed almost exponential in the theories and talk about the mysteries of the mythology of the island. Other than Fringe, there hasn't been a show on TV that's made me watch the next episode preview immediately after an episode, looked online for any sneak peeks, casting news, and spoilerish things. Fringe is an outstandingly written and acted show with brilliant ideas. There was just so much unknown with Lost that even a casual fan could see an episode in the middle, and through the confusion want to start watching the show. It really had everything.
ReplyDeleteThis show might be of interest to you. It's a new one from ABC
ReplyDeletehttp://abc.go.com/shows/the-river
It BETTER be good too. I'm way too excited for this show to end up being awful. :P
ReplyDeleteDear Chris 684, I agree with every word you have said.
ReplyDeleteYou can paticipate, for example, on Spoiler tv, only if you have a good grasp of the language, and although English now seems to be the most used language on internet and not only, I can assure you that not everyone here understands it.
You are correct in saying that things should be more balanced but thats just the way things have evolved. I think that the European producers feel that American audiences wouldn't appreciate their shows and maybe they just don't try hard enough to pitch them. Who knows!
Here all English shows are dubbed, whereas foreign shows in the UK have sub-titles. Don't know about the US though.
I know :) Got my fingers and toes crossed lol
ReplyDeleteHow did I miss this!? Hope it's as good as it looks. It definitely has my interest now with Alcatraz and Person of Interest as my top upcoming new shows. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteNo worries. It's not been promoted as heavily as the other shows you mention but I've got a gut feeling it might be right up my street.. which means it will probably get cancelled lol
ReplyDeleteI don't think there would be a huge audience for foreign shows in the U.S., but I think there would be a niche audience for good quality programming. Occasional British shows sneak through to our TV stations (Benny Hill, Are You Being Served, and Life on Mars come to mind), but that's about it. If there are any cable stations that play foreign TV shows, I'm not aware of them, but I also have very limited cable at the moment. To be honest, I wouldn't even know what I was looking for because I never hear about foreign TV.
ReplyDeleteX-Files was my first TV obsession, and the only one before FRINGE. Spent many weekend nights at local 24 hr diners geeking it up. Then I discovered the Internet message boards and fan-fic. Obsession totally enabled.
ReplyDeleteNow, with Fringe I have not only message boards and fan-fic, but Facebook groups, TUMBLR, fan-blogs, my own blog, etc. I never thought I'd get into Twitter until last fall, when I decided to join up and make some noise for Fringe Friday. This totally opened a new world of interaction for me. It's led to exchanging emails and Skyping with other fans, that not only love Fringe, but have other similar interests. Best of all, it's given me interaction with the showrunners which is reallt darned cool.
I know few people in my personal life that are as into Fringe as I am. It's nice to interact with a global community. People from across the US, Canadians, South Americans, Brits, Germans, Russians, Australians, etc.
You hit the nail on the head about fan communities. I found that the first Fringe community I interacted with to be very lopsided and very nasty toward my favorite character. Plus, every active Fringe fan knows about a few extremely obsessed folks that bash certain actors or characters left and right. Ugh.
ReplyDeleteI finally found a message board I like, and I'm lucky to be part of a good Facebook Fringe fan group. It's just about being selective. If I find you extremely annoying and abusive, I don't read what you have to say, block you, etc.
I agree with so much of what you have written, especially about Lost. That show led me to my first experience of online fandoms and I spent hours discussing theories and mythology with fellow fans as we eagerly awaited the next episode. I was also up at 5am (on the day of an exam I might add!), watching the live broadcast on Sky with the Twitter feed open on my laptop so I could enjoy the end of the show with thousands of other people who were as invested as I was. It really was an incredible moment like you said.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately it's true what you say about international fans though. I love discussing new episodes of my favourite shows with other fans but unfortunately very few people I know watch the same shows as I do and online, the discussions have died down by the time episodes have been aired in the UK. For an extreme example, Dexter is aired over here almost a year after it is aired in the US! Not only would I risk being incredibly spoiled due to the amount of time I spend online, but I would also miss out on talking about the episode with others who are fans of the show. Until TV execs (or whoever) realise the vastness of online communities and can find a solution to allow international fans to view episodes soon after the US broadcast (like the CW did with several shows last year by putting episodes on iTunes the next day, or GoT airing on Sky the day after), there really is no other choice for people who are big fans of serialised shows and who are actively involved in online fandoms. It's a shame that there's no way for online watching to factor into ratings because I'm sure those numbers would go way up if that was factored in.
I really love how TV has changed over the past few years because I've been able to talk to so many different people around the world through online discussions of my favourite shows, and I am able to talk with others who are just as passionate and invested in shows as I am, whereas in real life I know few people who like the same shows I do.
Your article was so perfect Adam.
ReplyDeleteI was just thinking how it would be if I could watch Supernatural or Fringe or any other show on my TV within a 2 days difference from the U.S premiere. It would be awesome. Right now U.S shows air in Romania after months after their U.S airings, that if they show them at all. All my friends and most teenagers here are in love with The Vampire Diaries and Glee but Romanian tv networks do no even think about airing them. We all have to watch everything online or download from torrents.
However, lately, there was some improvement, HBO choosing to air Game of Thrones within less then 24 hours from the U.S. airing.
I hope that one day this will happen to all the good shows, and everyone will be able to see them at once. Until then, thank you Adam for such a awesome article.
Yeah, this is exactly my point. I've watched Fringe since the beginning but have never really participated in online discussions because debating things like alternate realities just makes my head hurt. I can't imagine that any of the characters on the show are irritating enough to cause intense hatred, and I don't even want to know who this is. I happened to read a comment about a character on a different show - about how there was a lot of hatred toward her - and now when I see the character, the comment always pops into mind. I didn't need to know that, because I liked the character just fine before I read it.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure how old you are or where you were in 1995, but Lost is so by far not the first online fan community. Perhaps it's the first one you encountered, but X-Files, Buffy, Xena...any number of shows were there a long time ago (as was I). The only real difference I can see is that until very recently most of the additional creative content was made BY fans for each other, not by the TPTB for further consumption. What has changed with newer social media perhaps is that the wall between producers and viewers has broken down much further, but almost every fandom I've been in has always had at least one total geek on the production team that was accessible to the fandom via that year's version of social media, and/or in person at the cons.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, shows which are very myth-arcy and have strong online fandoms are usually the ones which have the most problem getting the ratings which networks are still relying upon for advertising. See Fringe, which has barely made it, and The Sarah Connor Chronicles, which didn't. Both of excellent, excellent quality, but for various reasons, didn't manage to get beyond that core, committed, interactive audience.
ReplyDeleteI wish it was as easy as If You Build It We Will Come, but the problem with television is that from the $$$ side patience has only grown more limited since XF (which would never have made it through S1, were it to premiere now). This whole newer framework of ordering 13 eps and waiting to confirm the back 9 just makes audiences more wary of committing to something that may actually be yanked at ep 3. That *never* used to happen -- if a show had a season, it had the season. And still the most successful shows numbers-wise are the ones which are purely episodic.
It already is in place, you just have to know how to access content outside your IP address -- which most of us do. But agreed with the others, I don't desire to be that involved with every show I watch. Serial monogamy is enough of a time suck as it is.
ReplyDelete"do you expect millions upon millions to line up for a show that premieres online?"
ReplyDeleteCheck out Sanctuary, which began as webisodes, got commissioned by Skiffy and now plays on TV around the world (not sure what the global audience is, but I'm in the UK and it does well here). Clearly there's a possibility for test-marketing shows online to an already tech-savvy audience to see how they might fly with the general public. Probably doesn't hurt if your exec and one of your stars comes from a huge international franchise like Stargate either :)
Since I became active on the internet (18 months now.), I have only been active in two Star Trek forums. I am on it just about everyday.
ReplyDeleteIt's the most engaging fan community I have ever encountered.
That doesn't happen on any current show I watch.
This article made me laugh because it is pretty much exactly what I'm doing my university PR dissertation on :p How TV and social media are combining and what this means for a show in terms of PR/marketing e.t.c. So yeah, thanks, might be quoting you if that's OK! I agree with it all!!
ReplyDeleteAlso, I get the point you're making. Lost wasn't the first online fandom, but it was the first TV show to have tools such as Twitter and Tumblr to use. It was the first show to really interact with social media and use it to its advantage. Social media helped to make Glee and other shows the success they are today. If Twitter/Tumblr/Facebook didn't exist less people would know about Fringe/Chuck e.t.c.
ReplyDeleteI remember watching Buffy and going onto forums after each episode had aired, but it wasn't a real-time thing as such, you couldn't tweet as you watched and see what people all around the world were thinking like you can now.
The point is, before, you could only reach out to the hardcore fans in the forums, but now, you can reach out to anyone and get them involved. It's such a powerful tool. I really think some of the networks *coughs*CBS*coughs* need to work with social media more.
I agree that TV shows should air seasons at the same time globally as long as there is a desire for them. If countries started later, it makes no sense not to use a show's downtime to get them caught up so they can air simultaneously as the US. You are right. It just encourages people to download illegally.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the X-Files was an online phenomenon through which other online fandoms were born. I know that I got involved online in ways I never dreamed I would through the X-Files and it just made sense to search for that connection with other shows I enjoyed when The X-Files died.
ReplyDeleteHa! I am currently in a long-term committed relationship with Supernatural. We've had our ups and downs. There have been some rough patches but getting through those has only made the relationship stronger. We have date night every Friday and we spend a lot of time getting to know each other better. Basically, Supernatural is my TV marriage.
ReplyDeleteBrilliant!
ReplyDeleteWell, while I'd definitely put that one in the win column (and didn't realize it started out that way) that's cable... and not network television...and not really the same circumstance, although it is a very positive note for future tv premieres in a way, I don't believe that in the immediate future this will happen. Possibly when the internet takes over everything and all the world, then yes, but I'd say that's a longshot for now.
ReplyDeleteabsolutely perfect, totally agree !!!! LOST !!!!
ReplyDeleteThanks. I'm glad you liked it! :)
ReplyDeleteI wasn't claiming that LOST was the first. But it shaped the way online fandoms would become more important and understood by the producers and writers.
ReplyDeleteAs I said it was the right sort of show that came out at the right time...
It's totally okay! Let me know if you do. I would love to read the dissertation. Send it to adamdharris@ spoilertv.com
ReplyDeleteGood luck with your work! :)
No worries. Glad you enjoyed the article :)
ReplyDeleteHaha. Let me know what he says afterwards... :P
ReplyDeleteLet me know if they get back to you! :)
ReplyDeleteNo worries!
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