Supernatural - Episode 6.13 - Unforgiven - Favorite Scene Poll
19 Mar 2011
Polls SupernaturalIn lieu of the "What Did You Think.." polls that follow new episodes, here's the hiatus version. What was your favorite scene in tonight's Unforgiven? Please vote and comment below. Don't see your favorite scene? Add it in the comments. Happy Supernatural Friday!
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This and Mannequin are my least favorite episodes since the mid season break. I do not understand why they decided to recap the entire episode in the middle. Was the script not long enough? Still, my favorite scene was the last one where Sam hits the floor and we see hell from his perspective. It looks vastly different than Dean's hell looked. Foreshadowing for the season finale maybe?
ReplyDeleteToss up between the last two.
ReplyDeleteBack later when I've rewatched - purely as research - not like I'm obsessed or anything.
May be hell and the cage are two different places! If cage was hell wouldn't denizens of hell would be able to listen to lucifer earlier? Azazel's long ritual to talk to him shows that cage is some place else!
ReplyDeleteGood point. Since it appears that Sam's wall is going to crash hard, I hope they will explore the differences. Sam's hell looked more like I was expecting to see in season 4.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Sera Gamble, the cage is at the very bottom pit of the worst part of the 9th circle of Hell. It was completely isolated, highly guarded and inaccessible to any demons.
ReplyDeleteThey better be exploring the difference, I mean if they took the pain enough to quote 'Dante's Inferno' and validate the existence of Purgatory... we could expect some exciting new ideas on the SPNverse. Well I don't know about others but I surely look forward to see how they pull it all off! Poor Sam, he was burning through his skin unlike Dean who merely suffered illusive pain in hell! He WILL crash pretty hard (with Lucifer pulling the strings of torture)!
ReplyDelete'Dante's Inferno' eh? :)
ReplyDeleteIt's really cool that they took ideas from around and put on the SPN twist as they always do!
I was replying to your perspectives and it hit me... the episode in which they showed Heaven for the first time was named 'Dark Side of the Moon' right? And I recalled that Dante's Paradiso put 1st sphere of heaven in moon :O May be we will get other ideas on how heaven is (The Civil Wars of Heaven). Wow I just realised that how much things they have to sum up this season and how much less episodes are left.!
ReplyDeleteDEAN Well, can I get you anything?
ReplyDeleteSAM What are you now, my waitress?
DEAN I'm just trying to make you feel better. Don't be a bitch.
No closer to deciding which of the last two choices to pick, but I loved this snippet of dialogue....
so reminiscent of the old brotherly sniping - I missed that while I was enjoying RoboSam.
The glimpse of Sam's hell was truly scary - I'm desperate to know more while at the same time terrified - this show drives me completely NUTS.
its sad that compared to like avirgin, where there were so many amazing, memorable scenes, this episode has so few
ReplyDeleteevery scene just seemed like the one before it when reading through this list
and nothing, except obviously the last scene, jumped out at me as being anything memorable or funny or awesome
For me, this was a toss up between the first and last choices: Flashback to RoboSam beating up a cop, or Sam collapsing into Hell, but I eventually went with the first one. There was something about the sheer brutality of that scene that was very shocking, and the lack of backing music made it all the more stark. Fantastic acting by Jared as well.
ReplyDeleteThe end scene! We get Hurt!Sammy and Extremely Worried!Dean. What's not to love? LOL.
ReplyDeleteI liked the flashbacks - the filming style and the way we were seeing Sam's past through Sam's POV. I voted for the flashback in which they discuss family because of the line "family just slows you down." The way they focused on this line makes me think it's going to be important when we learn more about RoboSam and Sam's time in Hell.
ReplyDeleteOK, I'm just shallow..flashback of Sam doing Debby..that's the first thing that comes to my mind when I think of this episode. But it's a good scene....for those of us who are shallow.
ReplyDeleteIndeed, there are so many questions this year - even questions we don't know yet that we need to ask. Except for season 3, I'm not sure there have ever been so many balls in motion so late in the season. I'm hoping they save the Mother story line for next year too. I don't think they have had enough time to fully develop her as an evil character, but think of how much new monster fun she could bring in a year. I do hope we will get a wrap up on the heaven war though.
ReplyDeleteI'd agree. It seems like Unforgiven and Mannequin were filler episodes, designed to tie up loose ends, with not enough filler to last an entire episode. I'm used to White Collar recapping things we just saw within the episode. Not so used to it in Supernatural and it really, really, bugs me. We've got plenty of questions. Why not move the filler on a bit faster and get to the heart of things. Both are utterly forgettable episodes with maybe a scene or two between them to latch on to. Unlike Like a Virgin were the MotW story line is forgettable, but everything else was awesome.
ReplyDeleteThat was probably my favorite dialogue in the whole thing too. For a minute I thought we were going to get the follow-up "Jerk" as a bonus.
ReplyDeleteI'd say that the first scene and the last two were my choices. The brutality of RoboSam was amazing. I knew he had no empathy but it was a wake-up call of what that looked like without Dean there. They've been hinting that RoboSam did some truly awful things in that year. This scene helped me see that what I was thinking that meant was not nearly bad enough for what they really meant - if that makes any sense at all.
ReplyDeleteHa! You know what you like and admittedly, for "people who are shallow" to use your terms, there is precious little to grab on to on this show. You got to take what you can get when you get it.
ReplyDeleteTotally forgot to give the results of the Like a Virgin Favorite Scene Poll:
ReplyDeleteDean and Sam hug - 209 votes (32%)
Dean vs. the sword - 207 votes (32%)
I loved both of those scenes too. One touching and the other funny. For those keeping track, in a very, very distant third and fourth was Cas telling Sam about being soulless and the Mother of All rising.
Lol! I think I get what you mean. Basically, for me, that scene was a huge wake up call. Even though we'd seen Sam on the verge of killing Bobby before Christmas, this scene was (for me) the scene that really hammered home the reality of Sam without a soul. I'm very predisposed to believe the best of the boys at all times, and there was a little part of me that was going 'RoboSam can't have been that bad...after all, he still has parts of Sam in him', plus we got to see the funny side of RoboSam before Christmas, and even when he was hunting down Bobby, it was very much mission-driven violence: with this beating up of the cop, that was mindless, needless violence. There were so many other ways they could have dealt with that, and the road that RoboSam chose really brought home to me that 'Whoa. This guy is beyond scary and very much not Sam!'.
ReplyDeleteUnforgiving wasn't a filler. A filler means a show that doesn't advance the bigger story arcs. The bigger arcs this year are monsters and sam's missing year. We were introduced to a new type of monster and we got mote insight into robosam.
ReplyDeleteTOTALLY UNRELATED-BUT SPOILERY
ReplyDeleteSebastian Roche has been tweeting from the set of Supernatural today and on the 15th of March-he mentioned how fun it is working with Jared, Jensen and Misha. -I'm not sure if they're shooting episode 21 or 22 right now (I believe it's 22 as Jared has already had his days off for the Dean centric episode 21) but I think it's safe to say that Balthazar will most likely be in the finale.
I enjoyed "Unforgiven" more last night than the first time it aired! For some reason, it takes more than one viewing for me to really understand what is going on. I voted for the last scene when Sam convulses on the floor and remembers some of hell. It makes me wonder what we find out later in the season about what really happened to him. Last night's scenes with Grandpa creepy made me think about how Sam and he hooked up. Where and how did they find each other since Sam does not know him all that well? Cannot wait for new episodes to get here, but it is nice to see the reruns right now.
ReplyDeleteTo me, one kind of filler episode is where the main purpose is to tie up various loose ends so people can move on. It tends to move slowly and repeat itself. That's exactly what I thought of both this episode and Mannequin. I know many people liked it, but for me, except for maybe 3 scenes, this episode was boring, completely in the meh range. When I look back on this season, the only scene that will be clearly etched in my mind from Unforgiven is the last 20 seconds. That being said, it was boring for Supernatural, which means it was still better than 90% of all other TV airing that week.
ReplyDeleteThis is what I was trying to say! Thanks for being much clearer. I too wanted to give RoboSam a pass because he was funny and except for using babies as bait and letting Dean get turned into a vampire, he was pretty awesome. RoboSam without Dean was just downright scary.
ReplyDeleteAwesome! Balthy's growing on me. I thought he was the best part of The Third Man and except for that telling RoboSam to kill Bobby thing, he's been amusing. Thanks for the news.
ReplyDeleteQuestion - who guards it? May shed light on how Sam actually got out. Not sure I believe Crowley.
ReplyDeleteSam remembering hell. My exact words: "Uh...did that just happen?"
ReplyDeleteI was shocked too but the real reason I'm commenting is:
ReplyDelete"Comments may cause convulsive laughing." Bwah!
I appreciate the warning because you're the one that had me choking and everyone else wondering whether I needed the Heimlich or a month-long stay in a mental institute. I approach your comments now only when I have no food or drink in my mouth. :-P
It's interesting to watch family matters after this one and note the change in dynamics in robosam and Samuel's relationship. Dean assumes that robosam is an innocent participant in what Samuel is up to, and robosam lets him believe that, but in unforgiven we see that robosam was the dominant one in that relationship.
ReplyDeleteMy vote went to final scene but I thought the episode was very good. I loved the black and white flashback scenes. Great writing and great directing!
ReplyDeleteI found a lot to grab onto in this episode, I like it when the writing is more subtle, but I liked this scene too. My mouse hovered over this option for a couple of seconds before voting. I'm shallow too.
ReplyDeleteWhat loose ends did this ep tie up?
ReplyDeleteYeah, and in my mind I photoshop my head onto Debbie's body.
ReplyDeleteAgain, I guess I can't get too heavy into this episode, but I liked the creepy spidey-eyes on Roy. I really hate it, though, when good guys get wiped out because of something Sam or Dean do, even if they're souless at the time. Heck, I'm simple....I never like to see good guys get iced.
ReplyDeleteWhat RoboSam was like in the missing year. To me this episode says, RoboSam was evil, Sam's back, now let's move on. It also served to show that something bad really would happen if the Great Wall burst.
ReplyDeleteHa! You need to comment more often here lanasapphire. Welcome!
ReplyDeleteSee, I didn't get the message that it's time for the audience to "move on" from this. I saw this episode as one that continues to build the story in advance of what's to come (ep 6.22). We saw in this episode that Sam was the dominant partner and the decision maker in the Sam/Samuel partnership, which contradicts a lot of what we were led to believe about RoboSam in the first half of the season. We also got a glimpse of his brutality, which is followed up in In Then There Were None with Samuel saying that RoboSam did things that made feeding your grandkids to ghouls pale in comparison. I'd say this storyline is far from wrapped up. The wall was nothing more than a plot device to delay whatever revelations are coming until the season finale.
ReplyDeleteOn the monster part, I'm guessing that we'll see these spider people again when the monster war heats up. Again, it's laying the foundation for the story to come. It's not filler.
Thanks, Dahne, that's sweet!
ReplyDeleteWe're going to have to agree to disagree. However, I expect I will get the same type of disagreement next week when I call Mannequin filler, only with the people who really liked it. If I remember right, you really liked this episode but disliked Mannequin. Maybe we will agree next week. :-)
ReplyDeleteI can agree that Mannequin is filler. :-) Ghost possessions are not the mythic arc this season, and I consider the Dean/Lisa/Ben story a plot device to advance character development rather a major story arc.
ReplyDeleteI actually don't think filler is necessarily bad. I consider The French Mistake filler (everything except the line about Cas securing the weapons, which really only needed to be one line of dialogue), but I thought it was a great episode.
agreed. and they only have like 5 episodes lefgt and still so much to do!!
ReplyDeletei don't know why they wasted those two episodes
the spider was cool/creepy though, regardless of my deep seeded fear of all things spider-related
wow!! come on today to find this whole conversation.
ReplyDeletei get your point that unforgiven wasn't a filler and it makes heaps of sense
to me, being a filler or not isn't the problem. in fact even while i was watching it and straight after its first viewiwng, i oved it
but coming back now and trying to vote for a greatest scene and seeing every scene on the list as basically the same, non-memorable scene (except for the last one of course), thats what i don't like about an episode
regardless, i will still love it because its supernatural and its my fave show but i just they could have made it more awesome, especially with the monster they had as
and i agree on what your saying about mannequin, with the ghost possesions. but those mannequins were VERY scary/creepy, so for me, that was good. because that what i miss about this show for me i liked that one coz it was back to scary things attacking people
i miss "bitch" "jerk" :'(
ReplyDeletewell, if god made it, maybe he got angels to guard it. angels he didn't like so he gave them the really crap job of guarding lucifer in hell
ReplyDeleteAgain we agree. Hate spiders so I was glad that it ended up being a woman-form creature. I think the eyes were cool though. And yeah, there's far too much still to be solved for these two episodes at this time. It reminds me of season 3 when they only had 4 episodes left and they threw in Ghostfacers for reasons still unclear to me.
ReplyDeleteIt's ok that you found some areas to criticize. This thread got so long because of the word filler. I wasn't sure if it was being misused, or whether the implication was that Sam going to hell, having his soul split off, having curious interactions with crowley, Samuel, Cas, etc., was of equal significance as Dean and Lisa breaking up for the fourth time.
ReplyDeletei liked the lisa and ben story line with dean initially but then i found it just got really broing and repetitve
ReplyDeletehopefully its over now
that was another reason why mannequin wasn't that great for me, i felt that whole second storyline was pointless and annoying
I will admit that this is probably my least favorite ep of season 6, but one thing I did find inspired is the names chosen for Sam and Samuel when they visited the town a year ago. Agents Roark and Wynan. these are names from the book The Fountainhead (surprise! I read!) and I find it interesting that Soulless Sam would take a name of a character that was perceived by other characters in the book as having no feelings. Just one thing that I found intriguing about this ep.
ReplyDeleteI don't recall them ever specifying, but I'm going to assume angels, especially if it's part of God's creation and Michael being the one to banish Lucifer. Other than that, I have no idea. I don't believe Crowley at all, so I'm hoping we learn something in Sam's episode.
ReplyDeleteEverything we saw of robosam in the first half was from dean's perspective, and dean wears rose colored glasses when it comes to his brother, even the soulless version. Robosam from Sam's perspective looked quite different. I loved how the filming style of the flashbacks was used in creating the feel.
ReplyDeleteTry 6 episodes left. =)
ReplyDeleteyeah, but i liked ghostfacers (i know you didn't)
ReplyDeletei thought it was funny
and when i was watching it i had no idea there were 4 episodes left
it was also the 7th episode i'd ever seen