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  1. Сережа Турней12 March 2011 at 16:57

    sorry I live in Russia and don't know which ratings are more important 18-49 or total viewers? I just worry about Fringe. Are Fringe's ratings good?

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  2. HarrisTh12 March 2011 at 16:58

    hm... Fringe looks steady so that shows that it has it's own steady viewers no matter what.....
    So.... it's good...!(?)

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  3. DarkUFO12 March 2011 at 16:59

    The 18-49 is normally more important as these are the ones used by
    advertisers etc

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  4. taviow12 March 2011 at 17:03

    Steady would be great if it had more viewers than this.

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  5. HarrisTh12 March 2011 at 17:04

    Yeah....that's true :(

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  6. Gusto Bluesboy12 March 2011 at 17:06

    Good bye Fringe. You will be missed by a small devoted community.

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  7. Wilson Crawford12 March 2011 at 17:08

    It really needs to be steady around a 1.7...

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  8. Bunky Bunk12 March 2011 at 17:22

    I think it's okay, 1.5 is not great but that's good enough. It would be better if Kitchen Nightmares was lower than Fringe on this key demo though.

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  9. Dahne12 March 2011 at 17:33

    Could we now please end the Fringe vs. Supernatural debate? They are not effecting each other. Each time they were against a repeat of each other, they received essentially the same ratings. If Fringe viewers need to worry, it's about the NCAA basketball tournament, not Supernatural.

    That being said, way to go Supernatural. If the ratings hold, in a week of repeats, Supernatural was only beat by a new episode of ANTM in the 18-49 share. It tied with Smallville and surprisingly Hellcats, beating normal ratings champ VD. Just goes to show that Supernatural fans are die hard no matted whether it's new content or a rerun. Yeah!

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  10. Сережа Турней12 March 2011 at 17:51

    Thanks :)

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  11. Luke James Farmer12 March 2011 at 18:16

    Could someone explain why CW etc always have hiatuses around march?
    I mean I sort of understand the christmas one (though don't like it) but this one, not so much.

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  12. AllyAF12 March 2011 at 18:19

    Cause the last episode won't be ready to air 'til mid/end of April, we can't have every episode every week without stopping....and it's way better to wait a little during the year and only having 4 months to wait in the summer than never stopping and wait 8 months between 2 seasons

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  13. Claudia12 March 2011 at 18:55

    Because the CW is a tiny network who doesn't have many midseason shows and so most of their shows have to fill their schedule from September til May with 22 episodes and many many weeks of repeats.

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  14. Claudia12 March 2011 at 19:01

    It will depend if it's enough for Fox to justify a renewal. And maybe WB will try to push for a 4th season by reducing the rate per episode if the dvd sales of season 2 were good enough.

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  15. Robin12 March 2011 at 19:03

    Hope Fringe will be renewed, it's such a great series :(

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  16. Abby12 March 2011 at 19:51

    ahhhhh this isn't so good.. :/ Come on guys!

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  17. Gusto Bluesboy12 March 2011 at 20:21

    I find it pretty funny. When you Americans care about a TV show soooo much that you`re posting everywhere how people should watch it that it`s great, signing petition to not-cancell the show and even then...the show has terrible ratings.

    For example: SGU had about 1 000 000 viewers this season. And that`s why SyFy cancelled it. Then all of the sudden - people started do sign petition against cancellation. Everybody asked SyFy how to preserve the show and people from the TV said: It would have to have about 2 000 000 viewers. And the most funny part - when the last episode after hiatus came out...it had 40 000 less viewers than the one before :-D.

    So you actually do everything else to keep the show on the air but not actually watch it...except the ones who watch it LIVE (so I appologize to them).

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  18. AllyAF12 March 2011 at 21:19

    Couldn't agree more! I see SOOO many comments, about a LOT of shows of people (US people, who can actually count in the ratings) saying things like ''I hope the show will be renew!! And...can'.t wait for tomorrow episode, but I'll watch it one day later case I hate commercials''

    Well...if you hope the show will be renew and you habe a box that count ratings.....watch the show live and stop complaining about what make the shows live

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  19. Gusto Bluesboy12 March 2011 at 22:00

    Sorry I can`t watch it LIVE `cause I don`t have FOX on my TV (in fact it`s not even in my list of TV stations on my satelite - none of the US TVs are there) and I`m in the +1 GTM so in the US 8/7c is 3:00 am in my country. So as much as I would like to watch Fringe LIVE I can`t. But that doesn`t mean I don`t care about the show. But people in the US count and I hate when the fate of my favourite show depends on Americans.

    Don`t take it the wrong way but you Americans have tons of ways how to be informed about the ratings and that kind of stuff but when I read comments on tvbynumbers etc. it seems that despite all that you don`t care about the ratings and how to keep the show on the air. Such a stupid attitude!

    It`s like you want everything for free without doing something for it (even when it`s an hour a week of your time) and when you have to do something for it you chicken out. And you don`t care how great that show is. You`re too lazy to even sit in front of the TV and see one episode of a show you have think about. I`m not talking about the devoted fans who watch it LIVE every week but I`m talking about the rest of American viewers.

    The FOX is doing an amazing job in promoting the show (the comments here mention that dozen times a month) and it`s not helping. It`s like in the movie Thank you for Smoking: "Cigarettes (Fringe in this case) are cool, available and addictive - the job is almost done for us." - but it`s for nothing. If Fringe gets another season, it would be miracle. And it`s the fault of the majority of the American people. Those who doesn`t care.

    Sorry to say it out loud but it kinda drives me mad.

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  20. AllyAF12 March 2011 at 22:45

    xD what are you talking about?? You said it's funny having people saying they want a new season and not watching and I just told you it's truth and that I agree with you...and now you're destroying my comment where I agree with you.........weird

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  21. Milo James12 March 2011 at 22:48

    Well It's also not "The americans" fault. As a fellow international fan, I can tell you that it is sad that international viewers don't count for much but it's also understandable. People have lives, jobs etc. Sometimes at the time of their favorite show.

    Honestly if anyone is at fault is the ratings system. We don't live in the age where Nielsen Ratings "were" a good way to measure things anymore. Just like the music industry updated due to the demand of online content, so should the TV networks.

    They could offer a "stream" of the episode online for a low price, at the same time as the episode airs. Sure Fringe might not be a show that would benefit from these, but shows like Grey's Anatomy that have a big amount of viewers could certainly get big profits on Season Finale's.

    All in all, I think they need to catch up to today's standards and REALLY realize that some people don't even watch TV on the TV anymore. That we aren't bound to watch something at the time we are instructed to.

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  22. Walter Bishop12 March 2011 at 22:50

    Вам на телестрекоза ком там вам про рейтинги на русском расскажут

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  23. Kaitlyn J12 March 2011 at 23:01

    1.5 isn't that low...........come on, Fox, pretty please?

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  24. M12 March 2011 at 23:14

    I created a Facebook event for next week's episode of Fringe. Please join if you can. :)
    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=157591037632825

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  25. Amy13 March 2011 at 00:47

    I think you're mistaking a lack of passion with a lack of interest. I apologize that "we Americans" are ruining an American owned TV show for you. Just because we watch shows online, doesn't mean we don't pay for them, or aren't inundated with advertisements. If you want to blame someone, blame the current rating system. It is so atrociously outdated and impractical.

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  26. Amy13 March 2011 at 00:52

    Very good point. I wouldn't mind watching a show with commercials if I can choose when to watch it. OR...I wouldn't mind just simply buying it on iTunes, that way they can still get their money. The real solution is to upgrade how they calculate viewership. They should incorporate international viewings, and those online. They need to get on the ball, because its already in that direction. TV watching is going to go the way of hardware media soon.

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  27. darq13 March 2011 at 02:11

    I understand part of your point and agree completely. Shows get cancelled because of terribly low viewership (usually) and I find it a little odd that shows with TERRIBLE ratings get petitions to save them too. Networks do not make a TV series for the individual viewer, they make it for the masses to watch, but mostly to get sponsors buying time. Individual fans feel so passionately they lose site of the big picture... The idiom "Can't see the forest for the trees" fits perfectly here. Low rated shows get cancelled... plain and simple. If an individual loves it more than any show in TV history makes no difference to the network in the end.

    I do not agree about watching shows live however. The way our Nielsen Ratings work is they have a very small number of people across the USA with boxes on their TVs that provide data to Nielsen Company. That sample group is supposed to be an accurate cross-section of the US viewing audience on the whole. Those are basically the only houses that matter. So unless you have a Nielsen box, it does not matter if you watch live or not. Many people think that the system is not accurate or it's outdated and needs to be changed... especially international fans of US TV shows. Personally, I think the small sample group with boxes aren't nearly as inaccurate as some critics feel, and international fans will likely never be counted into US TV series ratings... even once the system evolves. I would love to see the system overhauled to air the network series online at the same time the show airs on TV, but even if something like that happens (which I doubt), it won't happen for decades.

    The fact of the matter is that niche series like the sci-fi, horror or fantasy genres do not have as many fans.... they just have the most passionate fans. And like I said earlier, passion rarely makes a difference to networks.

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  28. Wilson Crawford13 March 2011 at 02:29

    Could we now please end the Fringe vs. Supernatural debate?

    No, we may not. (lol)



    They are not effecting each other.

    *affecting :)

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  29. Wilson Crawford13 March 2011 at 02:31

    THIS x10000000.

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  30. Wilson Crawford13 March 2011 at 02:33

    Actually, 1.5 IS that low...

    Hopefully though, the expectations have lowered lol

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  31. darq13 March 2011 at 02:33

    I am not sure it will change any time soon. The TV networks got about $60 BILLION in revenue last year... online outlets like HULU etc only bring in about $200 million. That is changing every year of course, but the gap is very large and TV networks (and companies in general) do not embrace change and new technology quickly. They know where they make the most money and it is on TV not online.

    If the networks can find a way to get a bigger cut of the online revenue they might change a little faster, but at the current time they don't see the need since the LARGE majority of people watch TV shows on their TVs.... not their phones or online. That is changing too, but I doubt there will ever be as many viewers online as over the air/ cable. The only possibility is if The FCC combines the two markets together and makes it feasible to air shows online at the same time as they air over the air to TV. Nobody on either side wants that right now.

    The best chance of it happening is if "internet enabled" TVs dominate the marketplace and nearly every TV viewer can stream content to their TVs. Given that TVs have a relatively long lifespan... the market changes over very slowly. Even that would have problems, because there are so many various platforms for streaming content,. They would need to have a universal streaming format and a universal system in place for charging people.... collecting data.. charging sponsors for ad time. In other words they need a "Nielsen Media Research Group" equivalent for the online world. And that just opens up another can of worms....

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  32. darq13 March 2011 at 02:41

    The sad part is only something like .02% of viewers matter to the networks... those with Nielsen boxes. meaning it does not matter what 99.98% of us watch or when we watch it. We do not have any control. So when people complain it is because it is COMPLETELY out of their control as to whether or not a TV show gets renewed.... unless they have a Nielsen box on their TV.

    So you can't say "it's the fault of the American people" really, we do not count unless we have a black box on our TVs. I seriously doubt more than a handful of Nielsen box families are on sites like this.

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  33. Linlighthouse13 March 2011 at 03:53

    I've brought this question up among friends. Some say my DVR use is always measured, but I thought, as you are saying, I would need a Nielsen box for that to be done. Anyway, a larger issue has to do with commercials. Obviously, people don't want commercials because cutting into a story diminishes its impact, so people will get around them if they can. And frankly, I can't remember the last time a TV ad has made me go out and buy something, so they have no effect other than to annoy. Even product placement would be better, and then it wouldn't matter how one views the show. Here's the area for creative minds to work on.

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  34. kowahasha13 March 2011 at 04:13

    It might depend on american viewers when it comes to tv, but not with the movie industry anymore. Hollywood needs the overseas more than ever now, and it's becoming more and more like this with television too. I agree about the ratings system, though.

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  35. kowahasha13 March 2011 at 04:15

    Get off your american pedestal, Hollywood needs the overseas audience more than ever lately, and the same is happening to tv. You guys need the world, or just live in a steel bubble forever.

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  36. darq13 March 2011 at 04:16

    The thing about DVR or cable set top box numbers is that they are more generic... no demographical data (according to everything I have read). Because of that the networks do not pay as much attention to them.

    I'm like you, I haven't EVER bought anything for myself after seeing a commercial. I did once buy one of those spinning food container carousels for my mom as a gift since she was complaining about cupboard space. Of course I have seen ads for movies and restaurants etc.

    I think the old ways may be one possible answer. Have the stars of a series do an ad for the sponsors, place it at the beginning of the episode when people may actually watch... Picture Michael Emerson as Benjamin Linus doing an ad for laundry detergent... "This episode of LOST is brought to you by BLahBlahBlah Bleach. When I need to wash the blood out of my clothes fast, I use BlahBlahBlah..."

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  37. Dahne13 March 2011 at 06:37

    True but there aren't a lot of crossover viewers. I get ticked more at TVBTN at the Fringe vs SPN continuing debate. So how's this:

    Cause - rerun of one show
    Effect - no change in viewer numbers
    EQUALS
    an overhyped, nonexistent battle designed only to increase website hits and irritated fans

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  38. Gusto Bluesboy13 March 2011 at 07:24

    I know sorry...I did not want to upset you...I know that you agree with me and then...I just continued with my previous comment so that "YOU" is not about you OK? Sorry I did not type it better

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  39. Gusto Bluesboy13 March 2011 at 07:38

    I don`t know about your TVs but in my country we can watch live online the same thing what is on TV right now. With all the commercials. The only thing that we don`t see on that online TV are the foreign TV series like CSI (all of them), House, HIMYM, Two and a Half Men and so on (cause the TVs don`t have rights to broadcast it online or I don`t know it`s some legal problem)...but we do see everything else. And because every show I just named is from the US you could have that online TV just like we do...I`m surprised you don`t have it already (sorry if you do).

    That way the network see the real number of viewers. Because when they broadcast the same thing online as they do on TV your "vote" will count.

    But I`m not surprised that online viewers doesn`t count when for example Fringe is uploaded on the FOX`s site one day AFTER it airs on TV.

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  40. darq13 March 2011 at 09:00

    We have most shows online the next day after they air on TV. Not many channels air TV and online simultaneously here other than sports and live events like The Oscars etc.

    It would be great if every country aired shows online and on TV at the same time. ... ESPECIALLY for viewers that like to watch other countries shows. I watch a lot of UK and Canadian TV so I would take advantage if I could. As the internet stands right now, I can't watch most UK streaming shows because of where I live. Thank the internet for downloads....

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  41. chris68413 March 2011 at 12:47

    On ratings and some random comments posted on this thread ...

    First of all, ratings are a method of measuring American viewership so that networks know how much they can charge advertisers. While it's nice that so many people from other countries enjoy our shows, unless you're willing to commit to flying to the U.S. every week to do your grocery shopping, clothes shopping, and perform other errands, than you're not a U.S. consumer and you don't matter to the companies who are paying the networks to run their ads. Yes, some of those countries also market their products overseas, but they usually have different ad campaigns to reach different markets, and if they're running ads on U.S. TV shows, it's to reach U.S. consumers.

    Second, the logic behind the Nielsen sampling is simple statistics. The larger the sample size you have, the less variance you have, and at some point the sample size becomes large enough that the variance is considered statistically insignificant for the purposes on the measurement. It's the same logic behind Adam posting the episode tables the morning after the show aired. At some point, the sample size becomes big enough that the numbers stabilize. The people who came up with the number 5,000 probably used statistics to figure out a practical number that had a small enough variance so that any inaccuracy was small enough not to matter. And while people who don't have a nielsen box figure they don't matter, the truth is, if the networks were actually counting every single person who watched the show, they still wouldn't matter. One person out of two or three million deciding not to watch a show isn't going to make a dent in the overall ratings and won't affect a show's cancellation prospects.

    Third, a lot of people say that advertising doesn't affect their buying decisions, yet people rarely go to the store and fill up their cart with a bunch of products that they've never heard of before. The marketing industry has done a boatload of research to determine that advertising does, in fact, work, even if some of it's just on a subconscious level.

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  42. DarkUFO13 March 2011 at 12:49

    Great post Chris, thanks.

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  43. chris68413 March 2011 at 12:50

    You're welcome.

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  44. David13 March 2011 at 18:20

    Lots of people lost that channel, that night so they couldn't help that they missed it. Fox was completely gone. So that had a big impact on the viewership.

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  45. David13 March 2011 at 18:22

    John Noble has already stated there will be a 4th and 5th season unless someone goes back on his word. That someone has yet to be disclosed.

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  46. David13 March 2011 at 18:22

    1.5 for a Friday is extremely good. If I am correct Fringe has brought up ratings for Friday overall compared to all other shows.

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  47. David13 March 2011 at 18:26

    Reality TV is to blame. If this show came on say 2004 when stuff like this was still popular, it would have been great in the ratings. No one likes to use their brain anymore, Fringe makes you do that. Personally I love thought inducing shows rather than any reality.

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  48. Linlighthouse13 March 2011 at 21:58

    Oooo, I love your idea so much! Picture Kate: "Need a fast getaway car? The new Miata is blah blah blah..."

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  49. Kaitlyn J13 March 2011 at 23:53

    CAN YOU NOT LET ME LIVE IN MY LITTLE FANGIRL BUBBLE WILSON?

    ;)

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  50. Amy16 March 2011 at 02:15

    1) Being that I'm of average height, I don't need a pedestal. But when I'm sitting down, I do use a chair.

    2) I'm trying to understand why someone is getting angry at a nation when that nation is deciding it does not want to watch one of that nation's shows anymore. Let's remove America from this equation and use a different example. Let's take "Doctor Who". That's a British TV show. Now let's pretend that "Doctor Who" got cancelled because no one in the UK was interested in watching it anymore. Does that give me the right to criticize that entire populace for making a choice to NOT watch something they don't enjoy anymore? By Gusto's reasoning, it would. That is ridiculous. He has no right to get annoyed at "Americans" because they aren't watching the same show that he likes.

    2) Hollywood needs a lot of stuff. Class is one of them, something which you seem not to have. Hollywood is also greedy, and will never get enough money, so I'm sure it would love to get it's hands on an international audience, even more than it does now.

    3) We DO need the world. EVERY country in the world needs the world.

    4) A steel bubble would be nice. Wouldn't that be awesome if we developed the world's first terrestrial Dyson sphere? We would need a star of course. I'm sure we can get one from Hollywood. Charlie Sheen would be nice. He's super stellar.

    5) This website forum topic is about TV shows, and networks and ratings. It is not about national pride or isolationism or expansionism or conservatism or liberalism or [w/e]isms.

    6) Hollywood movies, and TV shows are two different animals.

    7) And please have your comments reflect a higher level of maturity. Your comment was unnecessarily disrespectful.

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  51. Joan López16 March 2011 at 13:00

    Yay for fringe!!!! :) at least the rating hasnt gone down. Although I'm not still sure if I like Bellivia..... humm.....

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