Not entirely unexpected. I wondered if it had enough action for most people, plus SyFy airing short seasons and then long hiatus and basic schedule tweaking made me think it was doomed. Found it interesting, but always wondered if it would gain a big enough foothold to last.
wow...i cant wait for the ghost hunters and wrestling that will fill it and caprica's slots.........what are these guys thinking. There is so little scifi associated with this channel now. BBCA with all of its reruns of Star Trek TNG and Doctor Who is more qualified to be a scifi channel. Screw these guys, seriously. I didnt just love Caprica, and SGU was just getting me warmed up to it, but this is just a heinous move unless they have a new Stargate show in their pocket.
I'm not that broken up about it. Lets face it, we're in the middle of Season 2 and we still don't have an actual enemy. SG1 had the Goa'uld, Atlantis had the Wraith, and they were both there in the very first episodes. We still don't have that yet with SGU, and the long hiatus they keep having gives us little to no actual payoff when its over.
The show is moving along at a snail's pace. Between the first episode and now, not a whole lot has actually happened. 90% of each episode is filled not with conflict with an alien race, a proven formula that has worked perfectly for SG1 and Atlantis, but conflicts with each other. I can understand that every once in a while, but it is EVERY EPISODE, and usually between the exact same people every time.
Character development has been nearly nonexistent. Everyone is exactly the same person they were in the very first episode, with the exception of Chloe, but that's only because she is mutating. You could literally skip a few episodes at a time and not miss anything important, and if you wanted to catch up the Stargate Wiki could do that in a few minutes.
OK, so it sucks when a show comes to an end, but lets face it they dropped the ball with this one. They completely ignored the core elements that made the previous two so successful.
I started watching SG1 because I wanted to see what they would find when going through the Stargate. You never quite knew what they would run into next. I liked Atlantis because the characters were enjoyable and the things they kept running into greatly expanded the story of the Ancients and the things they created and battled against.
SGU has neither of those things. We're halfway through Season 2 and we have only very briefly seen two alien races, most of the characters are annoying as hell, and the storyline has barely expanded at all.
I'm sure in their heads, SGU sounded like a good idea, but the execution was so bad. They tried to make it so different from SGU and Atlantis that they abandoned some of the things that made the series so addictive.
I'm not sad to see SGU go. Maybe they'll think up something better.
Damn. They reworked the show during their idiotically long break and it seemed to be working. I was looking forward to the episodes.
Maybe if they didn't do the stupid long breaks and then put it on a hugely different night with little publicity. It's hard to follow a show when you don't know when it's on.
This saddens me for the sake of the Stargate franchise, but I can't say I'm surprised. The producers brought this on their own heads. While I've enjoyed most of Season 2 thus far, the incredibly boring season 1 doomed the following season to the lower ratings it has suffered.
I can't really say whether or not I'll miss this show. In essence, everything I'll miss about Stargate was gone already. We can only hope that Wright and Mallozzi can come up with something to keep the franchise alive - preferably something with a little more action and a little less angst.
Well, that certainly didn't help. They didn't even handle it properly on iTunes - no preview trailer, and they didn't put up the first episode of Season 2 until two days later. Not that iTunes is ever reliable in that regard, of course.
Here's an idea - maybe, to save themselves some dignity, they should just end all of Stargate officially. Bring together all the characters from SG1 and SGA in some big story in which the Stargate program gets revealed to the public, or something. Go out with a grand finale and leave the public with a fond memory of the franchise. Then perhaps, years from now, they can find some way to revive or reboot it.
I think the problem with SyFy is well first... the change of the name to SyFy from SciFi! To me that cheapened the idea of a channel for good science fiction series and made me worry the end is nigh. Then of course many Sci-Fi shows cost so much to produce due to SFX and set cost. The hsows are almost losing money before they even begin. They need to find a well written pilot that does not require a complete new world or time as its venue and keep the cast relatively small to keep the costs down. I think that may be why the "softer" SciFi shows like Sanctuary, Warehouse 13 and Eureka can survive and last longer. Pretty sad tho since the truly epic Sci-Fi series seems to have disappeared in large part.
Is anyone surprised by this? The producers keep ailenating the exsisting SG1 and Atlantas fans to attract reimaged Galactica fans.And then blaming them for Universe's ratings.And Atlantas was basiclly axed so Universe could go forward.
If the producers are stupid enough to try to push for a Universe straight to DVD Film Instead of the delayed third SG1 film and Atlantas FIlm they are outright Idiots.
I gave up on Universe early In Season 1.I came back to watch the 3 part season finale because of Rhona Mitra.I watched the season 2 premiere and didn't watch again.Apart from Rhona dying offscreen the premiere was so boring I almost feel asleep on It.That never happened with SG1 and atlantas.
I kept checking back off and on, but like you I found it mostly uninteresting and a cure for insomnia.... which by the by is part of the reason I kept watching it too!
My dad is going to be very angry. He doesn't watch much TV, but loves SGU. The last show he was really into was Sarah Connor and he was mad for six months after that got cancelled.
It wasn't the lack of action that put me off... it was the lack of character depth. It took them way too long to start exploring these characters and, considering they had so many shit episodes, really wasted a lot of opportunities.
Yeah I personally do not mind slower moving shows, but I know some do. Maybe it was the lack of development like you said that put me off. I like Justin Louis and Robert Carlyle a lot, but think their talents were for the most part wasted.
There were a couple of characters that were heavily focused on... and the rest were pushed to the back. It's a shame really because most of them are really good actors.
Actually, BSG: Blood & Chrome is a back-door pilot and they have Sherwood (Amanda Tapping's production) and Orion for consideration, both space based. I'm not saying any of those will get a pick-up but SyFy isn't abandoning sci-fi, just sci-fi no one's watching - the midseason finale of SGU couldn't break 1.1 mil. viewers, it literally flat-lined at 1.1 mil. this season.
That's a real shame. I thought that was one of the best scifi-series I know. I found the first two Stargate-series to be quite boring and simple and thought this was much more interesting and with talented actors for a change. But obviously the majority of scifi-fans thinks differently. Isn't there a station out there who has the right audience for these kind of series? HBO maybe?
I think starting it at Friday is what doomed it... the "new" audience they were looking for is out doing things on Friday nights. Tuesday is no better, Monday or Wednesday are the only areas with room for this kind of show.
I think the SGU movie would be more important, unless they had advance warning and already shot a conclusive ending.
SGU finds something to validate the show in the cannon, and then it ends once and for all. Maybe bringing Destiny back to earth. Leaving it hanging with no conclusion (and no way to bring say Eli or Rush into another series) would be a mistake. It would really leave the franchise feeling canceled as opposed to just on a break. I suppose Atlantis can make the same argument, but it had a conclusive ending.
Or a great way to handle it would be a cross over, finish SGU by bringing home Destiny, fuse in the star absorption system to Atlantis and take her back to the Pegasus to finish off the wraith.
Stargate Universe is a pure excuse for Stargate. It´s completly different, however finishing off the Lucian alliance wasn´t SUCH a bad idea. Still, I think making Season 6 or a movie for Stargate Atlantis would be better. They picked good actors for SGU, but they gave them bad roles. SGU isn´t sci-fi, now it´s bullshit. I mean, generally, they just keep walking on Destiny and they have a submarine problem. IT´S BORING!!! Whoever changed Mallozi´s ideals should go hang.
Well this is a big slap in the face for people who like scifi genre.
First SYFY cancels caprica(another awesome show), then SGU? and now the only good scifi remaining on SYFY is Haven...
At the same time I feel the messy and rabid fanbase of this show had to do a lot with the cancellation. I guess when you try to change the show for better, fans who are loving cheese and heroic frisky fries will revolt. Which makes me quite disappointed in so called fanbase of this show.
You know, people like you, who take frisky fries heroic pulp scifi over real thoughtful fiction is what killed caprica and what just now killed one of two last good scifi shows on SYFY(only haven is left)
Blood and Chrome is shaping up as a pulp scifi focused on cgi fights and pew pews and none of original philosophy and thought inducing plots nu-BSG and Caprica had. . I would not hold my breath on it.
I am sorry but since when pew pews and cartoon evil mustache villains have been focus of scifi genre?
For one I was happy that they abandoned SG1 and Atlantis. SG1 since season 5 felt like poor man's mcguyver that belongs in 70's tv schedules. Atlantis got rotten after one season. SGU was fresh and it actually had thought-inducing ideas and actual hard scifi, unlike its predecessors.
But I guess the general fanbase of the franchise consisted of too many usual reality tv show watchers or people who thought that star trek was the best scifi franchise ever created....
Seriously? You really expect me to go down the list? Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Trek, Star Wars, pretty much any Sci-Fi show with a "Star" in its name, Battlestar Galactica (new and old), Firefly, an EXTREMELY large assortment of Sci-Fi movies, 90% of all Sci-Fi videogames, and anything else I've missed in my utter unwillingness to state the obvious here. A very long history of hit or misses dictates that "pew pews" and "mustache villains", as you put it, work out.
And no, I don't think the Stargate Series is the best ever. I only started getting interested in 2008 when I ran out of things to watch. Don't insult the fanbase simply because the majority doesn't like to spend an hour in front of their TV screens watching a bunch of melodramatic crybabies yell at and attack each other a lot.
Just about all the characters had the emotional depth of a spoon and the exact same conflicts kept happening between the exact same characters in every episode. Rush would get annoyed at Young because he doesn't think he's appropriate for command, Young would distrust Rush because of all his secrets, Camille would have a secret talk with Young usually consisting of his mental health, Eli would sit there and try to be the nice guy for everyone but always end up with the short end of the stick, Chloe would sit around and maybe have one truly significant line in the entire episode, Scott would stand around worrying about Chloe and her mutation, Tamara would look depressed every episode, even before her unborn baby died, and Greer would insult someone or get pissed off about something.
Those things happened in just about every episode. They kept using the same formula over and over again and it just got so boring. So I'm sorry if you enjoy that, but don't insult myself or anyone else who missed the tried and true format of its predecessors. We have our reasons, GOOD reasons for disliking this series.
It's cool that you enjoyed the show, but the majority of those "reality TV" watching Stargate loyalists really didn't. SGU was like the bastard child of BSG, in the dark and depressing department, and Lost In Space, which really doesn't need an explanation.
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WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteOuch.
ReplyDeletei could not be more angry since heroes omg i hope they make another show stargate has to keep going in some form
ReplyDeleteWHY?!?!?!?! This sucks =/
ReplyDeleteMaybe now they'll pay for the two movies, one for SG1 and SGA to conclude or when the franchise is definitely dead with Stargate Universe.
ReplyDeleteMallozzi already said that if SGU gets canceled, they will push first and foremost for an SGU movie, not for the other two.
ReplyDeleteNot entirely unexpected. I wondered if it had enough action for most people, plus SyFy airing short seasons and then long hiatus and basic schedule tweaking made me think it was doomed. Found it interesting, but always wondered if it would gain a big enough foothold to last.
ReplyDeletewow...i cant wait for the ghost hunters and wrestling that will fill it and caprica's slots.........what are these guys thinking. There is so little scifi associated with this channel now. BBCA with all of its reruns of Star Trek TNG and Doctor Who is more qualified to be a scifi channel. Screw these guys, seriously. I didnt just love Caprica, and SGU was just getting me warmed up to it, but this is just a heinous move unless they have a new Stargate show in their pocket.
ReplyDeletethere's more waiting to enter the film Universe and hopes one day the two other films
ReplyDeleteBalls. It was just getting a bit more interesting too. Shame.
ReplyDeleteI'm not that broken up about it. Lets face it, we're in the middle of Season 2 and we still don't have an actual enemy. SG1 had the Goa'uld, Atlantis had the Wraith, and they were both there in the very first episodes. We still don't have that yet with SGU, and the long hiatus they keep having gives us little to no actual payoff when its over.
ReplyDeleteThe show is moving along at a snail's pace. Between the first episode and now, not a whole lot has actually happened. 90% of each episode is filled not with conflict with an alien race, a proven formula that has worked perfectly for SG1 and Atlantis, but conflicts with each other. I can understand that every once in a while, but it is EVERY EPISODE, and usually between the exact same people every time.
Character development has been nearly nonexistent. Everyone is exactly the same person they were in the very first episode, with the exception of Chloe, but that's only because she is mutating. You could literally skip a few episodes at a time and not miss anything important, and if you wanted to catch up the Stargate Wiki could do that in a few minutes.
OK, so it sucks when a show comes to an end, but lets face it they dropped the ball with this one. They completely ignored the core elements that made the previous two so successful.
I started watching SG1 because I wanted to see what they would find when going through the Stargate. You never quite knew what they would run into next. I liked Atlantis because the characters were enjoyable and the things they kept running into greatly expanded the story of the Ancients and the things they created and battled against.
SGU has neither of those things. We're halfway through Season 2 and we have only very briefly seen two alien races, most of the characters are annoying as hell, and the storyline has barely expanded at all.
I'm sure in their heads, SGU sounded like a good idea, but the execution was so bad. They tried to make it so different from SGU and Atlantis that they abandoned some of the things that made the series so addictive.
I'm not sad to see SGU go. Maybe they'll think up something better.
Damn. They reworked the show during their idiotically long break and it seemed to be working. I was looking forward to the episodes.
ReplyDeleteMaybe if they didn't do the stupid long breaks and then put it on a hugely different night with little publicity. It's hard to follow a show when you don't know when it's on.
Firefly all over nice SYFY you american bastards!!!
ReplyDeleteThis saddens me for the sake of the Stargate franchise, but I can't say I'm surprised. The producers brought this on their own heads. While I've enjoyed most of Season 2 thus far, the incredibly boring season 1 doomed the following season to the lower ratings it has suffered.
ReplyDeleteI can't really say whether or not I'll miss this show. In essence, everything I'll miss about Stargate was gone already. We can only hope that Wright and Mallozzi can come up with something to keep the franchise alive - preferably something with a little more action and a little less angst.
Oh, brilliant. Mallozzi just has to hold on to his pipe dream, doesn't he? I think he actually resents SG1 and SGA at this point.
ReplyDeleteA bit, but "Resurgence" was a disappointment.
ReplyDeleteWell, that certainly didn't help. They didn't even handle it properly on iTunes - no preview trailer, and they didn't put up the first episode of Season 2 until two days later. Not that iTunes is ever reliable in that regard, of course.
ReplyDeleteCant beleive there will be no stargate in my life from now on, and what are SYFY thinking, i think the move to tuesdays doomed the show
ReplyDeleteHere's an idea - maybe, to save themselves some dignity, they should just end all of Stargate officially. Bring together all the characters from SG1 and SGA in some big story in which the Stargate program gets revealed to the public, or something. Go out with a grand finale and leave the public with a fond memory of the franchise. Then perhaps, years from now, they can find some way to revive or reboot it.
ReplyDeleteYeah, SYFY without any scifi series to show, good job whoever is running this great company.
ReplyDeleteI think the problem with SyFy is well first... the change of the name to SyFy from SciFi! To me that cheapened the idea of a channel for good science fiction series and made me worry the end is nigh. Then of course many Sci-Fi shows cost so much to produce due to SFX and set cost. The hsows are almost losing money before they even begin. They need to find a well written pilot that does not require a complete new world or time as its venue and keep the cast relatively small to keep the costs down. I think that may be why the "softer" SciFi shows like Sanctuary, Warehouse 13 and Eureka can survive and last longer. Pretty sad tho since the truly epic Sci-Fi series seems to have disappeared in large part.
ReplyDeleteIs anyone surprised by this? The producers keep ailenating the exsisting SG1 and Atlantas fans to attract reimaged Galactica fans.And then blaming them for Universe's ratings.And Atlantas was basiclly axed so
ReplyDeleteUniverse could go forward.
If the producers are stupid enough to try to push for a Universe straight to DVD Film Instead of the delayed
third SG1 film and Atlantas FIlm they are outright Idiots.
I gave up on Universe early In Season 1.I came back to watch the 3 part season finale because of Rhona Mitra.I watched the season 2 premiere and didn't watch again.Apart from Rhona dying offscreen the premiere was so boring I almost feel asleep on It.That never happened with SG1 and atlantas.
I kept checking back off and on, but like you I found it mostly uninteresting and a cure for insomnia.... which by the by is part of the reason I kept watching it too!
ReplyDeleteMy dad is going to be very angry. He doesn't watch much TV, but loves SGU. The last show he was really into was Sarah Connor and he was mad for six months after that got cancelled.
ReplyDeleteWhen did dignity = reboot?
ReplyDeleteSG1 and SGA are like the bratty nephews.
ReplyDeleteSGU is the moody uncle.
It wasn't the lack of action that put me off... it was the lack of character depth. It took them way too long to start exploring these characters and, considering they had so many shit episodes, really wasted a lot of opportunities.
ReplyDeleteSaying that, I'm still a fan.
Yeah I personally do not mind slower moving shows, but I know some do. Maybe it was the lack of development like you said that put me off. I like Justin Louis and Robert Carlyle a lot, but think their talents were for the most part wasted.
ReplyDeleteThere were a couple of characters that were heavily focused on... and the rest were pushed to the back. It's a shame really because most of them are really good actors.
ReplyDeleteThey'd better line up a really good replacement show, something in space. I need my scifi fix!
ReplyDeleteActually, BSG: Blood & Chrome is a back-door pilot and they have Sherwood (Amanda Tapping's production) and Orion for consideration, both space based. I'm not saying any of those will get a pick-up but SyFy isn't abandoning sci-fi, just sci-fi no one's watching - the midseason finale of SGU couldn't break 1.1 mil. viewers, it literally flat-lined at 1.1 mil. this season.
ReplyDeleteThat's a real shame. I thought that was one of the best scifi-series I know. I found the first two Stargate-series to be quite boring and simple and thought this was much more interesting and with talented actors for a change. But obviously the majority of scifi-fans thinks differently. Isn't there a station out there who has the right audience for these kind of series? HBO maybe?
ReplyDeleteI think starting it at Friday is what doomed it... the "new" audience they were looking for is out doing things on Friday nights. Tuesday is no better, Monday or Wednesday are the only areas with room for this kind of show.
ReplyDeleteI think the SGU movie would be more important, unless they had advance warning and already shot a conclusive ending.
ReplyDeleteSGU finds something to validate the show in the cannon, and then it ends once and for all. Maybe bringing Destiny back to earth. Leaving it hanging with no conclusion (and no way to bring say Eli or Rush into another series) would be a mistake. It would really leave the franchise feeling canceled as opposed to just on a break. I suppose Atlantis can make the same argument, but it had a conclusive ending.
Or a great way to handle it would be a cross over, finish SGU by bringing home Destiny, fuse in the star absorption system to Atlantis and take her back to the Pegasus to finish off the wraith.
Stargate Universe is a pure excuse for Stargate. It´s completly different, however finishing off the Lucian alliance wasn´t SUCH a bad idea. Still, I think making Season 6 or a movie for Stargate Atlantis would be better. They picked good actors for SGU, but they gave them bad roles. SGU isn´t sci-fi, now it´s bullshit. I mean, generally, they just keep walking on Destiny and they have a submarine problem. IT´S BORING!!! Whoever changed Mallozi´s ideals should go hang.
ReplyDeleteWell this is a big slap in the face for people who like scifi genre.
ReplyDeleteFirst SYFY cancels caprica(another awesome show), then SGU? and now the only good scifi remaining on SYFY is Haven...
At the same time I feel the messy and rabid fanbase of this show had to do a lot with the cancellation. I guess when you try to change the show for better, fans who are loving cheese and heroic frisky fries will revolt. Which makes me quite disappointed in so called fanbase of this show.
You know, people like you, who take frisky fries heroic pulp scifi over real thoughtful fiction is what killed caprica and what just now killed one of two last good scifi shows on SYFY(only haven is left)
ReplyDeleteBlood and Chrome is shaping up as a pulp scifi focused on cgi fights and pew pews and none of original philosophy and thought inducing plots nu-BSG and Caprica had. . I would not hold my breath on it.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry but since when pew pews and cartoon evil mustache villains have been focus of scifi genre?
ReplyDeleteFor one I was happy that they abandoned SG1 and Atlantis. SG1 since season 5 felt like poor man's mcguyver that belongs in 70's tv schedules. Atlantis got rotten after one season. SGU was fresh and it actually had thought-inducing ideas and actual hard scifi, unlike its predecessors.
But I guess the general fanbase of the franchise consisted of too many usual reality tv show watchers or people who thought that star trek was the best scifi franchise ever created....
Seriously? You really expect me to go down the list? Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Trek, Star Wars, pretty much any Sci-Fi show with a "Star" in its name, Battlestar Galactica (new and old), Firefly, an EXTREMELY large assortment of Sci-Fi movies, 90% of all Sci-Fi videogames, and anything else I've missed in my utter unwillingness to state the obvious here. A very long history of hit or misses dictates that "pew pews" and "mustache villains", as you put it, work out.
ReplyDeleteAnd no, I don't think the Stargate Series is the best ever. I only started getting interested in 2008 when I ran out of things to watch. Don't insult the fanbase simply because the majority doesn't like to spend an hour in front of their TV screens watching a bunch of melodramatic crybabies yell at and attack each other a lot.
Just about all the characters had the emotional depth of a spoon and the exact same conflicts kept happening between the exact same characters in every episode. Rush would get annoyed at Young because he doesn't think he's appropriate for command, Young would distrust Rush because of all his secrets, Camille would have a secret talk with Young usually consisting of his mental health, Eli would sit there and try to be the nice guy for everyone but always end up with the short end of the stick, Chloe would sit around and maybe have one truly significant line in the entire episode, Scott would stand around worrying about Chloe and her mutation, Tamara would look depressed every episode, even before her unborn baby died, and Greer would insult someone or get pissed off about something.
Those things happened in just about every episode. They kept using the same formula over and over again and it just got so boring. So I'm sorry if you enjoy that, but don't insult myself or anyone else who missed the tried and true format of its predecessors. We have our reasons, GOOD reasons for disliking this series.
It's cool that you enjoyed the show, but the majority of those "reality TV" watching Stargate loyalists really didn't. SGU was like the bastard child of BSG, in the dark and depressing department, and Lost In Space, which really doesn't need an explanation.
:'(
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