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Nov 6, 2010

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  1. RayaNovember 6, 2010 at 2:03 AM

    I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!! I've been postulating for weeks that it was Mr. Badass Cockney Accent behind this all and I WAS RIGHT.

    I'm spazzing so much from the complete badassery of tonight's episode right now. My mind = officially blown!

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  2. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 2:04 AM

    AW God Sam chosing Dean over Grand pa creepy MADE MY DAY!!!!! LOVED the episode. loved every freakin thing. Didnt Know Crowley would be there best surprise EVER!!!! Christian is gone HELL YEAH! Only one bitch left (she doesnt remind ME of Mary... )

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  3. Pigeon666November 6, 2010 at 2:09 AM

    Surprisingly I actually liked Gwen in this episode. This may be in contention with Fresh Blood for the best vamp episode, one-liners, gore, mystery, crowley, and angst.What more do you want?

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  4. Judy SmithNovember 6, 2010 at 2:09 AM

    I have heard the theory, but I couldn't let myself believe that Crowley was behind all of it. Hmmmm. Why did the bring Sam and Samuel back. What did Crowley promise Samuel? I wonder if it is to bring Deana and Mary back? He was looking at a picture when Sam and Dean first came in. However why bring Sam back? He obviously wants the Winchester brothers fighting with him, rather then against him. Really wishing they had burned in bones in Scotland in Weekend at Bobby's. GRRRRRR.

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  5. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 2:10 AM

    LOL mine too. Picking up pieces right now to watch supernatural AGAIN! hahaha!!!! And I missed the promo.. distracted by my brain exploding and all :D

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  6. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 2:12 AM

    I'm guessing Crowley wasnt the one who brought Sam back or he just like them AHAHHA!

    And gosh i hope its not something about bringing mary back. I love her but i love her dead lol

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  7. RacheNovember 6, 2010 at 2:15 AM

    Best part of the WHOLE episode!!!

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  8. CeciNovember 6, 2010 at 2:23 AM

    I'm with you on this one about Gwen. She's the chick, she's the one underestimated all the time by Gramps and that was kinda put unto Dean too. She knew it if that 'reject' comment was anything to go by. She reminds me of early Dean though. By the end of it she knew that Gramps was wrong but she's loyal to her family, just like Dean used to do things for John without question because it was an order. Hopefully we'll get to see more of her being on this awesome side and well, we'll learn to like her.

    And oh yeah, awesome vamp episode. One of the bestest ones for this season so far. It had me throwing stuff at my TV and yelling at Sam & Gramps the whole time. Did anyone else like Cas sneaking in that bitchy remark to Dean before he left? "Of course, your problems come first, Dean." Oh Cas =) AND MISHA'S VOICE IN THE PROMO! YES!

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  9. Supernatural JunkieNovember 6, 2010 at 2:26 AM

    I just knew Crowley was the king of Hell and that he had Sam's soul! I also knew grandpa creepy was hiding something. I wonder how Crowley and Samuel got together or did I miss something tonight? I really didn't see the demon cousins coming! That was a big surprise. I bet they'll just cross paths with grandpa and Gwen occasionally now. I think Cass and grandpa will both work to get Sam's soul back. Grandpa may even sacrifice himself for it.

    I LOVED the laughs in this episode, especially the play on Seinfeld with "Hello, Newman" from Dean. I hope the writers keep it coming. Sam seems so much like the little kid that Dean took care of when they were young. Maybe this is a way to get back to their beginnings again.

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  10. CeciNovember 6, 2010 at 2:31 AM

    Crowley would have it because it was sold via a deal made way-back-when but meh. Samuel has this hunter army ready to command so Crowley would love the swift work and efficiency. Sam because he might have wanted Dean involved because he knows how the Winchesters work, might even try to get into the Heaven civil war upstairs too using them as a link to Cas. It's the only reason why Crowley would want real estate near Heaven, probably gonna wait until war's done and won and then raid it from Hell and Purgatory, make it even three-sided if they bring it on to Earth again, which might happen with Cas and Crowley having access to the boys. How might be important still if only for the novelty of being the vessels of archangels still?

    And I'm thinking it might be Deanna. Mary's soul is like, way gone by now but she wasn't in Heaven last time the boys were over there. Deanna needs to come; she's the only immediate family member that hasn't been seen for more than one episode. We've seen young!Mary&John more than we've seen her and I think that her and her pie making skills need to be acknowledged. If only for one more episode >.>

    And Crowley might be the 'King of Hell' but well, Luce IS still down there in his cage with Mike and SoulOfSam. And Sam's back because Crowley loves Moose and needs him there to tease =P

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  11. Kari ShelnuttNovember 6, 2010 at 2:39 AM

    I've never hated Gwen so much, and I'm liking her more and more the more I see of her. 8D
    Though, I LOL'd IRL at the neck snap of Christian. Cause.. it was just bound to happen.
    Nice twist on it, though. Pretty wtf. In the good way. <3
    And I do really like how they're showing how Sam isn't evil, and that it's more so just he's got no instinct since he can't feel and all that.
    lol at him about to pop a cap in gpa's ass. xD Specially when Gpa was trying to play on their emotions 'you wanna shoot your grandfather'
    Overall 'Awesome' episode. <3
    excited for more! <3

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  12. Kala LewisNovember 6, 2010 at 2:43 AM

    Sweet a$$ episode tonight! So much to go on here! I knew Grandpa Samuel was up to something, but had no idea he was under CROWLEY! That surprise was awesome! I didn't see it coming at all! So unhappy that it's ultimatum all over again. But it's a frustrated unhappy. I still loved the episode! Can't believe Samuel ransom out Sammy's soul for his own freedom for whatever he wants to do now. So not cool. This is going to be hard. What are the brothers to do now? How will they get Sam's soul back? Hell, how is Sam functioning without one in the first place? I've got so many question, but I'm not expecting answers soon. Come on! It's Supernatural for crying out loud! They love holding plots ransom for us to go wild on. It's why I watch this show religiously. Good job! Can't wait until the next episode.

    If this post has a bunch of typos. Sorry. lol

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  13. Judy SmithNovember 6, 2010 at 2:43 AM

    I am thinking it is more for Deana, his wife rather then his daugther. I mean he did kill his wife, while he was possessed by the YED and I am sure he is feeling guilty about it.

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  14. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 2:49 AM

    lol true.... but i dont see what it would bring to the show. unless it doesnt work of course hehehe

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  15. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 2:50 AM

    On a commercial break, but I had to come on and say AWESOME!!!! CROWLEY!!! Supernatural is back and better than ever. I love this show.

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  16. Wilson CrawfordNovember 6, 2010 at 3:10 AM

    It's safe to say, Supernatural is back and more awesome than ever :P

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  17. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 3:18 AM

    I liked Gwen better in this episode which means she doesn't have to die in a slow, gruesome way. Just die kind of slow.

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  18. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 3:22 AM

    No more dead parents coming back to life. Grandpa Creepy is enough! I'm hoping he had a bigger plan when striking a deal with Crowley than just getting his wife back. That's as bad a deal as Mary made to get John back. Do these people never learn from other's mistakes? I'm hoping for something original instead of the recycled plot.

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  19. SuePoNovember 6, 2010 at 3:28 AM

    Excellent ep! Loved that Crowley has his hand in the pie. I'm not sure I believe that he has Sam's soul, though. Crowley has a history of bluffing and I suspect while he may have had the mojo to pull Sam's physical body from the cage (since a living, breathing human body doesn't belong in Hell anyway) I'm not convinced even the "King of Hell" had the power to pull his soul. And exactly how did a 'piss ant crossroads demon' get the corner office? I think there's more to Crowley's situation than we know. But, having Sam topside would get Dean involved and with Gpa on the team, and the way the Winchesters feel about family well known, he would have a trifecta for his little purgatory scheme.

    I did like Gwen from the start (compared to the other two, she had spunk but wasn't a jerk) and I like her more now. She's loyal to Samuel, but it's obvious she's looking at Dean a bit differently now. She covered for him and even glanced at him before leaving to get the van. It was nice to see Dean take charge and put Gpa in his place. Dean isn't a soldier anymore, Samuel. He's a battlefield commissioned general. Samuel may know things hving been in the business longer, but he hasn't come close to dealing with what the Winchester brothers have.

    I loved that Dean finally put all the cards on the table for Sam. Your intuition and instinct is shot, dude. Follow my lead or hit the highway. He really had no choice. How do you trust a partner to have your back when he's lying to you at every turn? Sam needs to remember that Dean is the one person he's always been able to count on, even if he can't feel it right now. All in all, a very solid ep that connects three of the four story lines nicely. Can't wait to learn more!

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  20. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 3:30 AM

    I think Crowley's safe from Lucifer considering all the trouble they had to go to to get him out the first time. This plan to take on Purgatory would help Crowley solidify his control of Hell and give all the mopers, who were desolate after Lucifer's plan failed, something else to concentrate on. What I don't get is how Crowley consolidated all that power so quickly. If Sam was out pretty much right after he went in, that means Crowley had to be working before the demons even knew Lucifer was done for. It's a stumper! Or it's a misdirect.

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  21. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 3:32 AM

    Christian going black eyed startled me and it was a roller coaster ride from then on. Loved how after all the spoilers and all the conversation on this site, Supernatural can still manage to shock us.

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  22. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 3:35 AM

    I thought this episode was all about the answers and I am so glad. I really didn't think we would find out what Grandpa Creepy was up to until after the winter hiatus. This is a wonderful surprise. I do have a lot more questions, but at least I have answers to base them on.

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  23. Wilson CrawfordNovember 6, 2010 at 3:39 AM

    Same thing I thought. Although now I sort've don't want her to die. She seems like she could end up being a generally alright character now.

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  24. Wilson CrawfordNovember 6, 2010 at 3:41 AM

    Honestly, I feel like Crowley's been planning this for years. (Maybe centuries, to go out on a limb)
    Biding his time as the king of the crossroads, collecting what he'd need, and waiting for Lucy to be free. Then, he set his plan in motion, and manipulated Sam, Dean, even Death into doing his dirty work so he could rise to power. However, this is just a theory...

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  25. Wilson CrawfordNovember 6, 2010 at 3:43 AM

    I literally yelled "WTF!?" at my tv when that flicker went across the screen, all these demons showed up, and Christian had black eyes. What a trick they pulled!

    And I LOVEDDD the alpha vamp. I kinda wish he hadn't have died so easily...

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  26. jensenfan1978November 6, 2010 at 4:11 AM

    Me three.

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  27. SuePoNovember 6, 2010 at 5:07 AM

    I'm thinking the only one Crowley is even remotely afraid of is death. Maybe the reason the horseman returns?

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  28. KyelinnNovember 6, 2010 at 5:13 AM

    See, I'm not thinking so. Mary was a ghost. She destroyed herself going after the poltergeist. Technically Mary was a monster/supernatural creature/what have you. I'm tending to learn toward the fact that Mary might be in Purgatory. Crowley knows this and so perhaps he's dangling Mary like meat on a hook in front of Gramps' nose hence why Gramps is basically "Crowley's bitch", as Sam so lovingly put it. xD

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  29. prpleightNovember 6, 2010 at 5:57 AM

    Ugh. I've stopped playing back tonight's ep twice cause of the tension between Dean and the Campbells. I feel like something unpleasant is coming and the anticipation is killing me.

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  30. Graciie TruongNovember 6, 2010 at 7:08 AM

    excellent episode! i like the relationship between Sam and Dean... it would be too weird to have it suddenly repaired, but at least there seems to be a much better level of trust. I absolutely loved the scene where Sam wanted to shoot Samuel and Dean stopped him.

    Now I'm just deadly curious what Samuel's getting out of the deal, Mary Winchester?

    Oh, and i also don't believe that Alpha vamp is in purgatory... he cannot just be dead. Just like that? seriously? NO WAY.

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  31. KateNovember 6, 2010 at 8:18 AM

    My favorite part of this episode? Sam is a soul less vessel- a meat suit without a complete person inside and totally vulnerable to suggestion and coercion. Samuel is Crowley's bitch- and Cas is back on Dean's speed dial. Who is the Alpha here? The only hunter who was saved by GOD and his angels from hell and has not allowed a demon to walk around inside of him - Dean frakking Winchester that is who! Dean is back in full force and will take out Crowley. Cannot wait!

    I think it may be Mary too......remember last season that Ash said he had not see Mary and John though he had looked in heaven. Might John be looking for her too?

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  32. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 9:09 AM

    Well, he better be afraid of the Winchesters. It's like they told Brady. All these monsters/angels/demons keep pushing them around. Eventually the Winchesters find a way to push back and it's rarely pretty. If Crowley really did take Sam's soul, and with Crowley you can never be sure, he's going to have 2 really ticked off brothers on his tail.

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  33. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 9:12 AM

    Please do not let this be the way they go. Dead parents need to stay dead. There are far too many formerly dead people walking around this series as it is. They're going to have to start their own support group if this keeps up.

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  34. prpleightNovember 6, 2010 at 9:21 AM

    I just kept thinking...this is not going to end well. I keep stopping and restarting. Maybe that's why this is my first dud of the season (I'll watch straight through...now that I know Dean didn't do anything massively stupid. ;-)

    But for my first (well not really since I've been trying to sort out my reaction since I finally finished the episode) reactions... Crowley? Really? That reveal was just such a let down. From a plan perspective...okay. Makes sense to pop Sam out of the cage and keep his soul...to blackmail the clan into doing his bidding...but...as a mastermind. Crowley? Really? It just fell flat for me.

    My other big question, and I don't think I'm the only one asking...why all the hoopla about the Campbells...and the heritage that Sam and Dean have on that side of the family? The only character in that whole bunch that wasn't a Red Shirt or Cannon Fodder or Both is Samuel. Well, I guess it's no wonder why it never seemed like they wanted the audience to get to know or bond with any of those characters. And maybe the "Samuel is working for Crowley" reveal would have meant something if I could have trusted Samuel the least little bit. Never cared about the character so...big whoop.

    Question for you guys....Did Samuel go along with all of this to get Sam's soul back? (as I said...only been through once so far and my attention wasn't what it usually is) I kept waiting on him to tell Dean that and he didn't.

    I did like Dean sussing out that the lack of a soul had affected Sam's instincts. And I enjoyed the diagnosis scene.

    But...my first dud. {Shouldn't Crowley have a title that sounds...more important? King of Hell sounds like a joke. (which, in context, is really okay for me...kinda fits Crowley. :-)

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  35. jillyanneNovember 6, 2010 at 9:25 AM

    ANSWERS - still not sure if all of them are true - but we're way ahead of where we were this time last week.
    'Legoland'
    'Me Charlie - you angels'
    'What'd he offer you - girls? money? hair?'
    Much as it pains me to say this - I almost *chokes* liked Gwen tonight. DON"T WANNA!
    Sam was great - he doesn't have to pretend to feel now - so he's not so creepy.
    I don't care why Grandpa's Crowley's bitch - still don't like him.
    Yay! Sera & Co you're awesome. Love, love, love my boys.

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  36. prpleightNovember 6, 2010 at 9:49 AM

    I hit an error trying to edit my post. I realized I'd dropped part of a sentence:

    ****
    Well, I guess it's no wonder why it never seemed like they wanted the audience to get to know or bond with any of those characters they knew they were going to be killing them all off pretty quickly. And maybe the "Samuel is working for Crowley" reveal would have meant something if I could have trusted Samuel the least little bit. They never gave me any reason to trust the character or *want* to trust him...or, heck, even like the guy ...so...big whoop that he betrayed the boys. He keeps telling us he cares about them because they're family and they're his grandkids...but he's never seemed to feel it. Sure he came to Dean's rescue with the vampire cure, but it felt like he would have done the same thing for any other standup hunter.

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  37. Garrity WaltonNovember 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM

    alpha vamp could still be alive. and i totally think thats the guy who does the Hulu voice.

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  38. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 10:28 AM

    My favorite part is that we got lots of answers, but my second favorite is Dean telling off everybody. I've been waiting for him to deliver a smackdown to Grandpa Creepy for awhile now. Of course, he got it back from Cas and Crowley and I loved those parts just as much.

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  39. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM

    I have to watch it again, but I was thought he was alive at the end too.

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  40. Kitanishi H McDonaldNovember 6, 2010 at 10:32 AM

    Well thats a surprise.....


    This was awful and boring.

    We had mysteries, story arc development etc and it all gets revealed in one episode? and now we are back at the season5 crap with angels demons and whatever else apocalypse....


    bring back season1-3 supernatural, please, this shit is getting tediously boring.

    2/5

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  41. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 10:33 AM

    I guess it shouldn't have been such a surprise. He did have a lot of Meg-sounding lines, ones that get under your skin and fester, but it was a bigger shock to me than Crowley leading Grandpa Creepy by the nose. Maybe because we had heard that theory multiple times, but none about demon CSK. I was thinking possible monster.

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  42. Nevena GlusacNovember 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM

    What a surprise, Grandpa creepy is not so innocent after all. No matter how much I hate him, want him dead and stuff, I have a feeling, a strong one, that he's doing all of this for something good. This is just a hunch, but I mean, I don't think he needs money, women or stuff like that...He's working with demon who can bring back humans with the snap of his fingers, so I think what Samuel wants is probably his daughter back to living world. Or I'm just hoping for that to be true.

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  43. RobinNovember 6, 2010 at 12:39 PM

    After thinking about it, I'm convinced that Crowley is just taking advantage of the situation and he wasnt behind Sams getting out of the cage nor does he have Sams soul. I mean why would he be in charge in hell? Lucifer was in the cage before and still seemed to be in charge so why is it different now? Remember demons lie!

    I have to think some more about the whole Alpha monster/Purgatory story line but I like the story line and cant wait to find out how Grampa Campbell fits into all this. I have a feeling it has something to do with Mary, I mean the reason he is working with Crowley.

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  44. Supernatural JunkieNovember 6, 2010 at 12:40 PM

    I don't think Mary and John should be brought back either. I also think Jessica should stay dead too. Their deaths were the basis for the show and the catalyst for Sam and Dean's reunion as hunters in the very first episode.

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  45. Supernatural JunkieNovember 6, 2010 at 12:43 PM

    I don't think the Alpha is dead. I just don't think he can escape purgatory. It's like monster Hell.

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  46. Judy SmithNovember 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM

    It was the demons that took Alpha vamp with them, at least that is how it looked to me. So I don't think he is in purgatory. I think he is being held somewhere else for questioning by the demons.

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  47. Judy SmithNovember 6, 2010 at 1:05 PM

    Also remember that Dean himself almost became a demon when in hell. He was well on his way in that direction after he took himself off the rack and started torturing souls.

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  48. Lucy OverfieldNovember 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM

    Love the ep!! Glad to see Crowley back again, Mark Sheppard is just brilliant!

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  49. Wilson CrawfordNovember 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM

    "The only action you've been getting is in between your slut girlfriend's legs."
    I almost came through that television to shoot him myself. In retrospect that should've been a warning that Christian was a demon after all. lol

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  50. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM

    I don't think ghost goes to purgatory, ghost are souls. It's like Dean said, crowley is only a ghost (weekend at bobby's) and demon goes to hell so its the same for ghost except they go to heaven. (i hope lol)

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  51. Supernatural JunkieNovember 6, 2010 at 1:14 PM

    I love Dean, but I don't want Supernatural to be just the Dean show. I'm ready for the focus to shift to Sam and what he's been through. I really want to know about Hell. I also want to see more of Bobby. I really hope he, Dean and Cas work together to help Sam.

    The Apocalypse had to shake purgatory up too and the Alphas probably escaped. There could be a war brewing between all of these escaped creatures.Crowley has always plotted against Lucifer in any way he can, and he's always been power hungry. I don't know if he's King of Hell, but maybe Lucifer finally caught up with him back in Hell and the only way Crowley can escape being destroyed by him is to return the Alphas. Maybe he let Sam out to accomplish this task. Sam is the ultimate hunter without his soul, but I don't think Dean and Cas will let this go on for long.

    Sam seems like a lost puppy without his soul. But his feelings for Dean are obviously there. He also said in the beginning of episode 1 that he had prayed for Cas to come to him repeatedly with no response. There's still something in there, just like when he was able to come back even though Lucifer had taken over his body in the last episode of last season. Dean will once again be taking care of his little brother, but I think that is one of the basic elements of the show.

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  52. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 1:19 PM

    LOL... I've never been more surprise then with this episode. I dont get what you mean hahahaha.

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  53. Graciie TruongNovember 6, 2010 at 1:20 PM

    But before, Lucifer wasn't occupied with Michael in the cage and both Ruby and Lilith was still around. I'd imagine that back then, Lilith was still head bitch of hell.

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  54. Wilson CrawfordNovember 6, 2010 at 1:21 PM

    Wow, what a comment. O.o

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  55. Graciie TruongNovember 6, 2010 at 1:26 PM

    Really? well, for me, even though it did answer a lot of questions, it did ask a whole new set of them, and TV can't just live on just the same set of mysteries (with the exception of the mother in HIMYM)

    I can't imagine this to be all about the Demons, I think they'll still be lots of pure season 1 monster hunting. I mean, back then, it was hunting with the "where's dad?" issue popping in sporadically, so i hope this'll be a little like that.

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  56. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 1:27 PM

    LOL I wanna know about hell to but my guess is that the sam we see now wasnt in hell for long. and once he gets his soul back then he will remember hehehe. I WANT POST TROMATIC something hell or what ever the term is aahahah

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  57. Graciie TruongNovember 6, 2010 at 1:37 PM

    Yeah, i think he was scratching at his restraints. and also, you made me wonder, why didn't the Campbells all have anti-posession tattoos like Sam and Dean? You'd think being a hunter family who has things as crazy as vamp-reversal recipes, they'd have done that by now.

    Maybe Crowley is rather busy dealing with all the paperwork in the bureaucratic world of Hell, haha.

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  58. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 1:48 PM

    I don't think a lot of hunters gets tattoed the antiposession tattoo (bobby didnt lol). Its stupid

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  59. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 1:55 PM

    LOL This was hilarious to read. Like re watching the show with a crazy girl commentating haahha.

    "So REJECT gwen (totally what i'm calling her now) :)))

    I see what you're trying to do writers... trying to make me care for her, because she's a reject.... Well neer... i ain't... She's annoying... and thats my stance on that :)"

    THANKS!!! Every one here is saying that they are starting to like her. wtf i hate her even more ahhahaha. :P

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  60. NicolNovember 6, 2010 at 1:57 PM

    I like the way how they are slowly building up the bond between Dean and Sam... After all what've happened, alfter all they've been through, it's like the beginning, even though it is not really it.

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  61. chris684November 6, 2010 at 2:12 PM

    I like the pace of this season so far. It seems like they're throwing in a game-changing plot twist every thee episodes or so. I'm hoping we get Sam's soul back for the holidays and we can move onto a new phase for the second half of the year. Monster wars anyone?

    So the latest theory -- I think Crowley's bluffing when he says he has Sam's soul and can send Sam back to hell. I think Crowley tried to resurrect the real Sam so he could use sending him back to hell as leverage, but Sam came out incomplete because Sam's soul wasn't in hell and under Crowley's control. Maybe someone snatched Sam's soul on the way down, or maybe it got rejected at the gates of hell because Sam never belonged in hell -- he never made a deal to sell his soul. Besides, the show eventually needs Sam's soul back and I don't see anyone opening up Lucifer's cage.

    I'm guessing that Samuel's motivation is Mary's soul. Maybe it's in hell, or maybe purgatory. She did make a deal with a demon.

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  62. Judy SmithNovember 6, 2010 at 2:17 PM

    Won't see Bobby again until episode 11 and that comes from Jim Beaver.

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  63. Judy SmithNovember 6, 2010 at 2:19 PM

    This is Supernatural, everyone comes back from the dead. Especially Sam and Dean. As Ash said last season, no one dies more then those two.

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  64. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 2:27 PM

    doesnt mean it would be a good move to bring the parents back. unless we get J Morgan back ahaha but 1 ep max please god

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  65. Graciie TruongNovember 6, 2010 at 2:38 PM

    Yes, probably. However, we were probably too busy looking for more reasons to hate him (well, at least i know i was), so we just assumed he was a bit of snarky, bitter, jealous little hunter with a vendetta against Dean.

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  66. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 2:45 PM

    That's the problem.

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  67. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 2:53 PM

    Lucifer wasn't the head of hell according to the show. He was their absent god-figure. If I remember right, at least some demons believed he was a myth. It was the really old demons like Lillith, Azazael, and Alastair who were running the place. Once they were out, Crowley was one of the more powerful demons. My guess is he won the coup in the power absence by being the only demon who picked the right team and had a post-Satan plan the other demons could dig into to get their pride back.

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  68. SuePoNovember 6, 2010 at 3:08 PM

    What is Crowley offering Gpa Creepy? I think it has something to do with the photo he was looking at when the boys barged in. He hid it in a drawer pretty quickly. So, whomever is in that photo, has something to do with Gpa Creepy's servitude to Crowley.

    Why is Gpa doing the interrogation? Simple. Crowley is now upper management. He's delagating. He just wants answers, doesn't care how he gets them.

    about Sam's soul, I'm not convinced Crowley has the muscle to do it, to be honest. Yes, he may be responsible for bringing Sam (and Gpa) back physically, but Ruby even stated back in season 3, that souls don't just walk out of hell easy. No demon, not even Lillith, could swing that. I think Crowley is using the situation to his advantage, but I don't think he has Sam's soul. I love Crowley. Now that's a character you love to hate!

    The Alpha vamp wasn't being interrogated by the whole crew, just Gpa. Then Dean and Sam. He wouldn't care about smelling a few demons anyway. He's not invested in Sam and Dean's POV like us.

    The Civil War in Heaven is the last piece of the puzzle to tie into the whole season mytharc. Can't wait to see how it all fits together. Sera and crew have crafted and very intriguing tale.

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  69. SuePoNovember 6, 2010 at 3:11 PM

    I'm with you! I loved Dean confronting Gpa Creepy and just laying down the law. No! Didn't look like anyone was going to argue with him either. That's the Dean we all know and love!

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  70. KyelinnNovember 6, 2010 at 3:33 PM

    But from what we know, Mary is NOT in Heaven. There was no indication of her ever going to Heaven. There's been no suggestion that she is in Heaven. Ash (the ultimate genius who's found stars and Einstein himself and is fluent in Enochian) hasn't even found Mary or John for that matter in Heaven. So why toss away the possibility that Mary is in Purgatory?

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  71. KatherineNovember 6, 2010 at 3:39 PM

    I really enjoyed this episode, when we found out that Crowley was the king of hell I knew he was involved in all this somehow. I believe there is a lot more going on than Crowley is going to tell Sam or Dean.
    I was wondering tho, At the end of season 2 yellow eyes thanks Dean for making the deal with the crossroads demon to bring Sam back. Yellow eyes says that demons cant resurrect someone without a deal being made. Would that apply to the "King of Hell" to? If so, who would have made that deal if Dean didn't?
    I really want to know what Crowley is holding over Grandpa Creepy, what could he know or have that a guy who has been dead for thirty years(?) want?

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  72. yavemielNovember 6, 2010 at 3:58 PM

    My question about the alpha not smelling the demons wasn't really about how the revelation was going to affect Sam and Dean, but from a self preservation POV for the alpha. I mean, if he had known they were demons (and if he can tell the state of your soul by looking at you, why would he not be able to sense possession?) he wouldn't have made the mistake of thinking that they were dead, which, you know, ultimately came back to bite him in the ass (or neck, whatever :).

    Very interesting theory about Crowley not having the muscle to bring Sam's soul back, which does make sense if you think about it. I mean, if it was that easy to get someone out of the cage, why bother with the whole 66 seals palaver in season 4, when the demons should have just been able to spring Lucifer. Anyways, by the looks of the promo, we might be getting a bit more info on that line next week. *crosses fingers and hopes desperately*

    I'm still not sure about Grandpa Creepy doing the interrogations. I mean, yeah, Crowley might be delegating, but this seems to be his big thing, you would imagine that he would at least want to oversee it personally. I don't know, though, maybe it is just that simple.

    And yeah, can't wait to find out who was in that photo! And, assuming that it is Mary, and that Crowley has promised to bring her back, what a dilemma would that make for Sam and Dean! *dances on the spot with excitement* I love this season! :D

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  73. Charlene BuchananNovember 6, 2010 at 4:00 PM

    Eh no loved 5 , and SPN is amazing . It is ur opinion but i think this season is building into something dark and awesome . I mean tbh if u think about it when Sam jumped in hell he was still possed by Lucifer i think he's the one with the soul but just an idea .

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  74. Caz74November 6, 2010 at 4:04 PM

    I loved this episode. It was great. Dean standing up to grandpa creepy was epic and then he and sam back together in some fashion. Yeah!

    One complaint. How come Cas did not know Christian was a demon, if as Crowley said he had been posessed ages ago.

    The trust is slowly coming back between the boys.

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  75. Charlene BuchananNovember 6, 2010 at 4:10 PM

    what is the show on a break ? xx

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  76. KatherineNovember 6, 2010 at 4:15 PM

    I agree!

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  77. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 4:18 PM

    Yeah I forgot that when I posted this. true

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  78. airbatNovember 6, 2010 at 4:27 PM

    Finnally got to watch!
    Great episode. I loved it when Sam untied the ropes just like that. And I don´t mind if Crowley is the badass. Maybe not original but always funny (Me Charlie - you angels...epic).

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  79. rochey_1November 6, 2010 at 5:18 PM

    Thank you Chanelle :)

    i kinda am, a bit mental... you know... i talk to fictional characters.... if that's not mental... then what is LOL

    <333

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  80. rochey_1November 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM

    Thanks Wilson :)

    I know... me, and my epic mental ramblings... i just can't shut it... i really try... HEY maybe i'm possessed... it's a possibility LOL

    <333

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  81. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 5:23 PM

    :D I found that totaly normal.

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  82. chris684November 6, 2010 at 5:25 PM

    So who was Grampa Creepy talking to on the phone earlier in the season? If it was Crowley, does Crowley have a mobile phone, and if so, who is his provider? And how can I get that service package (no dropped calls, even in Hell).

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  83. SuePoNovember 6, 2010 at 5:31 PM

    Well, as far as we know, Christian was the only one who was a demon. Crowley did say he was keeping an eye on his investment.There was a huge flash and then the other two 'stunt demons' were there to help subdue the Vamp, but we don't know if they were part of the Campbell gang or sent to help grab the alpha vamp. I'm guessing they weren't there before, since they looked a little rough for wear. And what i was trying to say was the vamp wouldn't really care about one of the people being a demon. Why would he? He's a monster and I don't see why Vamps would be afraid of demons. Since all we saw was Gpa interrogating him, it's likely he never even noticed DemonChristian after he was incarcerated. But Christian being a covert demon would explain why Dean instinctively disliked him.

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  84. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 5:35 PM

    lol Dean instinctivel disliked all of them hahaha.

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  85. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM

    LOL!!!

    Well he had a house its not weird that he has a cellphone :DDD

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  86. Felidae82November 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM

    I´ve asked myself exactly the same... how the hell could Crowley gain so much power in such a short time? And why is it, that you have to do so much to free Lucifer but he only needs to "blink with his eye" to get Sam`s soul out of that cage ? I can`t help but to think that there is more to Crowley than just `King of Hell`

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  87. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 6, 2010 at 6:23 PM

    I think crowley was bluffing and that cas was right. Sam's soul is in the cage and Crowley is just lying.... its Crowley duh ahahah. We cant trust him

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  88. ivetkaNovember 6, 2010 at 6:42 PM

    Well for some reason I don't like this season, (the only amazing episode was Weekend at Bobby's). Maybe why i don't like it is because i miss the relationship between Dean and Sam, and i don't really like the grandpa, and story line of Sam losing his soul could have been played out better.... Right about now I'd actually prefer monster of the week more lol ...
    Anyway I still love Supernatural I've loved it since episode number 1 and won't give up, we will see if it gets better and grabs my attention back. That's it for now.

    Actually only good part about last night's ep was seeing Crowley and Cas.

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  89. Felidae82November 6, 2010 at 6:45 PM

    This episode was just epic!
    We`ve got so many answers and I`m still sure the writers will manage to surprise us again!
    Cas beeing sarcastic, Sam chose Dean over Grand Pa Creepy, Dean telling everybody what to do and no one even tried to argue with him, that was good old Dean ;) I loved so much about this episode unbelieveable ^^ The only thing that annoyed me a little is , that I actually started to like Gwen,not much of course, just a little, very little... but still , I don`t want to ;/ At least Christian is gone for good ;)
    It`s funny, even so I now know that Grand Pa Creepy probably has no choice in beeing Crowley`s bitch ( I liked it when Sam called him that ! ^^) I still hate him!!!
    And I really hope we will see more from that Alpha Vamp, I don`t know why but I found him intriguing!

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  90. jillyanneNovember 6, 2010 at 8:18 PM

    I've only had time to watch it once - sad how real life gets in the way of good tv - but I think Cas just zapped straight into Grandpa's office and then straight out again. Don't think Christian was in there, but I could be wrong.

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  91. DahneNovember 6, 2010 at 8:19 PM

    I get Supernatural one hour later than everyone else in America because in my area they show the news at 7 instead of 9. Who knows why? So I was in the middle of watching it and I couldn't wait until it was over to give my reaction to the Crowley reveal. I waited until it was a commercial break and posted really quickly so I wouldn't miss it when it came back on after the commercials.

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  92. jillyanneNovember 6, 2010 at 8:21 PM

    Yeah I've been thinking that once Sam gets his soul back there'll be like this tsunami of feelings and memories. If that's the case I wonder if all Sam's anger will still be there too. Remember how he was carrying all that rage?

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  93. Felidae82November 6, 2010 at 8:29 PM

    We definitely can`t trust him, but that`s the fun with him ;)

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  94. jillyanneNovember 6, 2010 at 8:35 PM

    Hey - a few people liked Bela too and look what happened to her - 'Drag Me to Hell' ring any bells? I think I hate Gwen even more because I sooo do not want to like her at all, even if Sera wants me to like her. Not on any level. No way, no how. And the same goes double with bells on for Grandpa Creepy. And I hope Christian stays in hell with the other demons. But he probably won't. Oh poop.

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  95. jillyanneNovember 6, 2010 at 8:44 PM

    I sincerely believe the writers are basing the entire season around your comments Rochey.

    And I also think you should choose just one 'fictional character' to drool over, otherwise you could dehydrate.

    And you're right - this episode has made too many people far too happy, and Supernatural does not do happy. Remember Devil's Trap - the guys just driving along minding their own business a then - wham - that big ass truck comes out of nowhere and slams them. So Sera, what version of the big ass truck are ya gonna use this season?

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  96. jillyanneNovember 6, 2010 at 8:50 PM

    You also talk to random people on the internet - that doesn't seem altogether sane to me - oh wait - I do that too.

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  97. jillyanneNovember 6, 2010 at 8:57 PM

    I wondered about anti possession tats too. You'd think if the boys have them the Campbells would've too. But then Christian wouldn't have been possessed so they'd have to think of another way to snatch the alpha vamp. And it worked brilliantly - no one saw THAT coming.

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  98. jillyanneNovember 6, 2010 at 9:02 PM

    Dean's really scary when he's in as kicking mode - whether it's verbal or physical. I love seeing him do either.

    Dean, you can tell me off any time you like. I'll forgive you if you look like that. ;)

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  99. jillyanneNovember 6, 2010 at 9:06 PM

    I'm with you Dahne. The only people who need to come back from the dead are Dean and Sam (and hopefully they won't need to, because I'm tired of them dying.) oh and Bobby (if they're dumb enough to kill him - which they'd better not or I will HURT you Sera).

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  100. yavemielNovember 6, 2010 at 9:26 PM

    Oh, ok. I only actually watched the episode once so far, and I thought they had all been in there all the time (the demon henchmen that is) and I assumed they were all on Grandpa Creepy's crew. Ok, so if they weren't there before, that would actually make so much more sense! Going back to the alpha thing though, I agree with you: I think he wouldn't care about the demons because yeah, what has he got to fear from them (incidentally...can demons possess non-human creatures? Not sure if we've ever seen that), but I was just saying it was then very sloppy of him to assume that Christian was dead if he was actually aware that he was a demon. Though of course, that goes back to me assuming that all of Grandpa Creepy's crew were demons, so...yeah, ignore me, I've managed to totally confuse myself! Must go back and rewatch.

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  101. SuePoNovember 6, 2010 at 9:55 PM

    Christian barged in, gun raised, when he heard Gpa scream. Cas looked at him funny, but didn't comment. Sam and Dean ushered him out pretty quickly. Maybe Cas just didn't bother to check him out since he was becoming distracted by heaven? Who knows. I'm willing to overlook it. ;)

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  102. SuePoNovember 6, 2010 at 9:58 PM

    A convoluted reason to rewatch? no excuse needed. rewatch at will. ;)

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  103. SuePoNovember 6, 2010 at 10:00 PM

    Gotta love a man who takes charge.... and looks like that doing it. Man, these fangirl moments are popping up more and more. Wonder if there's an over-the-counter cure for that....

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  104. Daniel MaloneyNovember 6, 2010 at 10:43 PM

    I don't know about Sam not having a soul due to it being held hostage in Lucifer's Cage, though. I am going to give it a chance to play out but I think they got a two things wrong with that. If Sam did not have a soul inside of him, I believe that he would not be able to recognize Dean as family and Bobby as a friend. From what we have seen, he doesn't feel BUT he knows Dean is his family but just doesn't feel it. Which I think is a little bad on the writing part because I believe that if you don't have a soul then you can't possibly tell the difference of anything really.
    Now, if they make a seventh season and Sam gets his soul back, he will most likely be hunting. Which I would find to be so stupid because Sam does not have a soul anymore. It's been in Hell for a year and time in hell is way different than time on Earth. Who knows what time is like in the Cage??? His soul could be down there for a thousand years for all we know! Basically, Sam would be in no condition to do anything, he would be a human vegetable in a hospital. So I think the smart move on that would either to side line Sam if they make another season or end it with this.
    Like I said, I am going to give it a chance because I love this show. It was just something that came to mind....lol

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  105. jillyanneNovember 6, 2010 at 11:32 PM

    I've only been having fangirl moments since I started hanging out here........ Something about the company I keep maybe?

    And I'm an equal opportunity fangirl too - Sam, Dean or Cas are fair game - does that make me some kind of fangirlwhore?

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  106. jillyanneNovember 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM

    Thanks for that Sue - Now I'm done running around doing boring old everyday, real life stuff, I must rewatch the episode.

    Also, it was way past my bedtime when I watched it last night, so I hope I can be forgiven for not remembering a detail like that. It took over 7 hours to download and I was getting slightly (ie extremely) impatient by the time it was finished. (Download speed averaged 14kb/s last night it's like watching paint dry)

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  107. isolda_mNovember 7, 2010 at 12:30 AM

    I'd like to see John and Mary again on the show. Not necessarily alive again, but at least an appearance so that their sons know that they are OK. (I like to think that John is off looking for Mary. I know Missouri said that she 'destroyed' herself, but how the heck would she know?) I'd like to get some closure there. And if they can manage to entice Jeffrey Dean Morgan back for an episode, they should definitely do so.

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  108. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 7, 2010 at 12:52 AM

    LOL I want her dead and Christian, he can hang around as a demon. I love the way he talks to dean ahahahah. I just wanna push him lol

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  109. isolda_mNovember 7, 2010 at 1:32 AM

    I don't agree that Sam not having a soul would lead to him not being able to recognize Dean as family. Sam hasn't lost any of his intellectual ability. He is as intelligent as he has always been and he has all the memories and knowledge that he has always had. Of course he would recognize Dean and Bobby and remember who they are and his relationship to them. What he has lost is his ability to empathize with other living things.

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  110. prpleightNovember 7, 2010 at 3:19 AM

    Sam said in one of the first three eps, I think, that he *does* remember what it was like in the cage. I think it might be more that Sam just doesn't feel anything about it right now.

    the term you're looking for is PTSD. :-)

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  111. prpleightNovember 7, 2010 at 3:48 AM

    Sam and Dean didn't get their tattoos til they learned the lesson the ard way. Though you'd think it would occur to all of them to get tattoos. What they need is a website where Dean and Sam could post the success of the tattoo and info (with photos) of the one they went with.

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  112. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 7, 2010 at 3:54 AM

    LOL I wanna bitch and say thanks PTSD helps a lot. ahahah . but it does so :DDD ( sorry im in a bad mood hhaha.)

    I thought he only said he was fine and didnt care. gosh i need to rewatch im missing so many stuff

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  113. jillyanneNovember 7, 2010 at 6:20 PM

    'Robo-Sam'

    Told ya Sam was replaced with a mandroid! :P

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  114. rochey_1November 7, 2010 at 6:23 PM

    Hi prpleight :)

    I LIKE the way you think!!!

    PS: i WUV you :))))))

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  115. Caz74November 7, 2010 at 6:24 PM

    I wouldn't mind if Sam had ptsd for about one or two episodes, but then gets over it. If I remember right, Dean only really was messed up for about 3 or 4 episodes, which involved having nightmares and drinking, then he spoke to Sam and the next episode appeared to be better. I think if they carry Sam's ptsd on for too long it will get a bit boring, as the first half of the season has been about Sam and what is wrong with him and for the next half of the seson to be about Sam and his Ptsd would, I think,. be a bit much. I want ot see the fall out of Dean breaking up with Lisa and Ben, as that appears to have been ignored this week.

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  116. rochey_1November 7, 2010 at 6:25 PM

    Hi 'spoiler tv buddy' :)))))

    At least when i talk to people on the internet/here... there's someone on the end of their keyboard....hang on.... wait...........you're not all ROBO FANS..... are you......TELL MEEEEE

    *is very paranoid*

    <3333

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  117. rochey_1November 7, 2010 at 6:25 PM

    Hi Chanelle :)

    I love the way he talks to MY husband/Dean... but only, if there's a brutal beating... poss death, from Deans end !!!

    Destiny IS shining down on us... My name is Lisa too :))))

    <333

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  118. rochey_1November 7, 2010 at 6:25 PM

    HAHAHAHAHA JILLYANNE <3

    They better be.... i'm on a roll... i'm at my most creative.... and i could so take them SADISTIC WRITERS !!!!

    Don't make ME choose... but.... all the pretty.... OH... OK then *grumbles*

    DEAN...... the lips/eyelashes..... but.... Sam....and the ropes/hands....oh wait... Doc CAS and the belt......I KNOW..... threesome..... problem solved :))))

    *iz dying, from dehydrated threesome*

    They are gonna CRUSH me next week.... there can't be so much happy.....and all coming from me.... the universe will implode........... IMPLODE I SAY!!!!!


    SAM CHOSE DEAN OVER GRAND PA CREEPY!!!!!!

    *dies from vomit overload, as well as dehydration*

    <333333

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  119. dunmifNovember 7, 2010 at 6:26 PM

    Demons and monsters have always been separate in this shw and it was fun to see demons and vamps in the same scene and that kinda made me think what would happen if a vampire would feed on a demon and drink demon blood? :)

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  120. E. CNovember 7, 2010 at 6:32 PM

    This is my favourite episode so far of the season. When Dean told Sam to either go with Gramps or stick with him and then it showed Sam pretending to side with Gramps I nearly had a freakin' heart attack. Thank God that didn't happen.

    Also Gwen is so much better this episode, which moves her down my list of 'Campbells that need to die right now'. Christian is now tied at the top with Gramps. I might actually end up liking Gwen if she keeps showing her awesome side.

    Oh and one last thing, CROWLEY CALLS SAMUEL 'GRAMPS' TOO :P Haha, thats what I've always called him. I feel special now :P

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  121. E. CNovember 7, 2010 at 6:33 PM

    Hahaahaa I thought I was imagining things when I saw his eyes flicker black :P

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  122. Ekas MatahariNovember 7, 2010 at 6:42 PM

    great comment..., :D
    but in my opinion sam is soulless he lost ability to feel n less emo.., but now all he got is what he think n instinct..., he think is grandpa is family n his instinct say follow the order..., i agree now he is vulnerable from the situation, that why whoever bring sam back also bring sampa back, so there someone can use him n sam dont think to rebel..., he like robo but once dean back to his life, no one can dominated him more than dean.., i love now dean take control over him, cause we know dean love him n would not use him :D

    love this epi so far..., hope they keep together n no more fight ^_^

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  123. E. CNovember 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM

    I LOVED your comment. The really long one :P Its like you read my mind because you just said everything on it.

    But psssh..... Sam is your gonna be husband like you said. Dean is all mine :P

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  124. Ekas MatahariNovember 7, 2010 at 7:13 PM

    Memories in ur brain not ur soul..., so of course sam remember everything including his family, he just lost ability to feel n emo less because this soulless thing..., i agree with isoda_m he remember everything but has lost is his ability to empathize with other living things. he just do what he think the right thing to do or by order..., ^_^

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  125. chris684November 7, 2010 at 7:42 PM

    I don't think so. In the Supernatural universe, when people die, their soul goes to Heaven or Hell and those memories go with them. The memories don't rot in the ground inside the corpse's brain. Sam seems incapable of intense emotions or knowing right from wrong, but there is some sense of an ego there (an awareness of his own individuality and his own thoughts and some emotions). It's like he was cloned, a copy of Sam, but not quite Sam.

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  126. Ekas MatahariNovember 7, 2010 at 8:31 PM

    well if brain is death so the ppl is death..., if they pull back to life that mean they brain functional n all memories inside..., if sam back life with no soul n no brain that mean he zombie, n zombie not bleed or have ability to heal if they get hurt, or cant even think or remember..., O_o

    yeah he was like a cloned but it sam as far as we know..., that what dean call him robo-sam..., funny, how they still can make a joke in that situation... :)

    no worry i take all theory, u have ir theory i have mine..., that what we discus n maybe we can find the rite answer..., ^_*

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  127. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 7, 2010 at 8:56 PM

    Yeah 1 or 2 eps about it is fine for me.

    And I agree about the ben and lisa thing. though im happy when he is mention even a little so "your slot girlfriend" made me happy lol

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  128. Caz74November 7, 2010 at 8:57 PM

    But do we really know that he died. We know that he jumped into the pit, but did that actually mean that he died, or was he still alive in the cage. That way when you die your soul takes your memories and who you are to heaven or hell, but if he did not actually die, remember he had a very very powerful demon in him, then maybe his soul does not include his memories, which are still in his brain.

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  129. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 7, 2010 at 8:58 PM

    LOL HI, and is your name really lisa? AWESOME. No wonder you talk to fictional caracter, i would pretend to be one ahhahaha

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  130. chris684November 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM

    I don't know. I guess I just agree with the OP that this storyline is little inconsistent with what we've seen before. What about Dean's out of body experience after the car accident, when he was walking around the hospital with Tessa? His body was still alive I think. I'm still partly expecting a big plot twist in which we find out that this was never Sam - it's a clone or some angel pretending to be Sam - and Sam is somewhere on a beach drinking Mai-Tai's.

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  131. jillyanneNovember 7, 2010 at 9:12 PM

    Well now..... there's an interesting question.

    ARE we Robo Fans?

    Nope. At least I don't think so ...... well maybe......... NAH!!!!!!

    Robo Sam has no feelings, so logically speaking Robo Fans would have none either.

    And Supernatural fans are many things but emotionless, soulless man/womandroids we ain't.

    There, there.... *pats Rochey's head* No need to be paranoid, Rochey - we're as human as you are.

    You are human aren't you?

    Unless - YOU're the Robo Fan?????

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  132. jillyanneNovember 7, 2010 at 9:28 PM

    Ya know.... until I started hanging out here I never would've called myself a fangirl. But the truth is no longer something I can avoid and remain *cough* healthy.

    My name is jillyanne and *gulp* I'm a.......a.......a fangirl. There. I said it.

    Well, fanoldlady really (not exactly a spring chicken no more) *sighs*

    So here's the deal Rochey. You CANNOT have all three of those beautiful men for yourself.

    We are spoiler tv buddys so you have to SHARE. It's in the rules. Or it should be.

    Pleeeeeaaaaaase??????

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  133. Carrie HolroydNovember 7, 2010 at 9:48 PM

    I sense there is more to Crowley than he lets on. Or he could just be lying about liberating Sam from hell. I loved this episode. I'm glad Crowley is sticking around.

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  134. Kaitlyn JNovember 7, 2010 at 10:41 PM

    Let not forget "Hello Newman"

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  135. ClaudiaNovember 7, 2010 at 10:49 PM

    I get you. I had the same problem. I was so furious after I watched episode, I needed an entire day of not thinking about the show before I could re-watch and I still hate it. I don't get it, why did they have to pack all this reveals in one episode. It was horrible. It was like watching exposition 101 unfold and now the minor bad guy monologs and later the new more important villain does his shocking speech.

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  136. jillyanneNovember 7, 2010 at 10:56 PM

    Yeah I didn't get that - had to look it up - soooo NOT a Seinfeld fan.

    Also 'if the old man's Kermit, whose hand's up his ass?' lol

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  137. SuePoNovember 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM

    :) Hmmm.... how does one answer such an inquiry? Yes? And we are very sorry for being such bad examples. *hangs head in shame*

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  138. ClaudiaNovember 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM

    I hate the episode. I watched it twice now and there is no way around it, I just don't like it. I will spare you my rambling but raise a couple of questions to all fans who somehow loved it. So why exactly does a thousand year old alpha vampire refer to its spiritual afterlife with the human term 'purgatory'? It's very negative, wouldn't the monsters have their own name? The other thing is why should the king of hell want to expand his terrorrity? How on earth would purgatory gain him an advantage? It's filled with monsters. They can't go anywhere. How did Crowley, demon, manage to get Samuel's soul out of heaven? Is this some kind of angel conspiracy? Why did he need Samuel in the first place, I mean he got Bobby and I'm sure he got a ton of other hunters with the same knowledge? You only have to tell him to look for alphas, that's all. They just have to be good hunters, he could even have them posessed to make things easier. Why go through all the trouble and raise a dead hunter? And what was Crowley's motivation for bringing back Sam (without his soul)? The explaination of bringing Sam back to force Samuel do what he wants, is weak, I mean threatening Dean would have done the same job wouldn't it?
    *Erase memory now - I never watched 'Family matters'*

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  139. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 7, 2010 at 11:22 PM

    NO NOT YOU!!!! You break my little heart.

    About some of your questions for crowley we dont know we dont know and he is laying ahhaha. FUN FUN FUN

    and we didnt get an explaination for sam yet. its still kinda mystery... or am i totaly stupid here :(((

    :DDDDDD Any way. SAD SAD SAD maybe you will like it when the season is over :D

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  140. ClaudiaNovember 7, 2010 at 11:36 PM

    *sigh* What can I say, I tried. I really did. I don't want to dislike episodes, it just happens. For me, it's simply not enough to answer questions but also how you answer them and the combined delivery of alpha vampire talking about purgatory, the purgatory idea itself, Crowley as the new big bad and Sam and Dean starting a new mission under big boss Crowley was simply too much for me. I think the last episode after which I was so furious was last season's 'Hammer of the God'. Lol Guess who wrote that episode? ;D

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  141. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 7, 2010 at 11:40 PM

    the same dude that wrote that one?
    This ep was better then hammer of the god cmon. even the story was bad in that one ahhaha.
    I agree with you about purgatory... it felt weird when i heard it. i just trust that it will make more sense in the end.

    I cant really judge that episode. Cas was there. :D

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  142. ClaudiaNovember 8, 2010 at 12:02 AM

    Yep, the same guys (Dabb & Loflin). 'Hammer of the Gods' might have the more horrible story but I don't see a lot of positive things about 'Family Matters'. It's not that I don't trust the writers but the way they revealed the purgatory idea, didn't work for me. I love Cas too but I still need to see that 'story arc' he was supposed to get this season and so far I don't see a lot of progress in his character. Also Castiel had a few lines which were out of character which bugged me e.g. Castiel bragging about his real form or him telling Dean that he always comes first. Also that they chose to not show how Samuel managed to find the alpha vamp didn't really help either. I can say I liked the decapitation scene and I don't want to see Gwen die now since she actually managed to do something else besides calling Dean girl.

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  143. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 8, 2010 at 12:10 AM

    LOL so you didnt like my two favorite lines ahahhaha. The "you always come first" or what ever made me thing of "dont ask stupid quesiton" and an other one. I love it, its cas post Dean ahha sarcasm.

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  144. timetowaste247November 8, 2010 at 12:41 AM

    Angels as far as we know are the only ones with enough power to take a soul out of the pit. In this scenario both Sam and Samuel have been brought back to the land of the living. Sam from hell and Samuel claims he came from heaven. Even with Crowley being the King of Hell he has to be partnered with an angel or something polar good on the good and evil continuum. There are probably some angels that want to see Micheal out of the cage, so may even want Lucifer out of the cage. The thing about Crowley is that he usually has a way to provide what you asked for but it usually involves Crowley providing knowledge and ultimately you have to follow Crowley's plan to get what you want. Always with some unknown cost.

    Soulless Sam, interesting concept. Really what does this make Sam's body. He has all the memories, he walks, talks and thinks there is just no emotional component. Does someone really have to be behind Soulless Sam's return. Hell is a place for souls. A human body cannot enter hell. Usually when a soul goes to Hell or Heaven the body is dead. Sam on the other hand took a direct route to hell body and all, maybe Soulless Sam is just the response to the violation of the natural order and no one is really responsible for it. Even though Sam's body is walking around it doesn't change the fact that the soul the essence that is Sam's being is in Hell the same way Dean's soul was in hell just that his body was sitting in a pine box rather than walking around.

    I like what they have been doing with Ben and Lisa, well before he wrecked it with the vampire stunt. Dean has issues with his father and how he raised them so I thought it would be interesting to see how Dean does in a similar situation. I hope Lisa, Dean and Ben can make up so that we can see Dean struggle to balance taking care of Sam and a family.

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  145. Chanelle MontpetitNovember 8, 2010 at 1:10 AM

    okay wow im such an idiot. third watch and its the first time I heard Crowley said he was the one who brought gpa creepy and sam back to life LOL! No wonder I was confused reading some comments here. gosh.. okay hope thats not true i dont like it hahahah

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  146. rochey_1November 8, 2010 at 5:20 AM

    Hi E. C :)

    Thank you for the reply <3

    I just went back and read your stuff... tit for tat...i say.... Loved it.... i have a new buddy :)))

    *glomps E.C*

    *ssshhh.............. Don't tell JILLYANNE...................actually DO tell her........... She is SO cheating on me ..........................I KNOWWW JILLYANNE!!!!

    *goes away to cry for a bit*

    right..........back............. No you see..... DESTINY BLAH, BLAH,BLAH................my name IS lisa....he has to be my husband......... but i can share...............me generous :))))

    Sam will only be my husband by association :p

    *glomps Dean with Sam hanging off him, and CAS watching*

    It has to be this way, Did you get my memo on the universe IMPLODING........IMPLODING I SAY!!!!

    <33333333333

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  147. rochey_1November 8, 2010 at 5:26 AM

    Hi Chanelle :)

    Yeah my name IS Lisa........ it's not like...... i changed it or anything... i'm not that mental HAHAHAHahahahaa....................................................................................................

    *looks shifty*

    No seriously.... born and bred as LISA....... See...... DESTINY BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

    <333

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  148. DahneNovember 8, 2010 at 5:38 AM

    It's my favorite episode so far. By a mile.

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  149. rochey_1November 8, 2010 at 5:40 AM

    Hi, Jillyanne :)

    OOOOOOOOOOKAY.......... we'll share.......... we're fully committed to each other as spoiler tv buddy's............right..................RIGHT JILLYANNE!!!!!

    *looks for jillyanne*

    *can't find jillyanne*

    *thinks jillyanne is robojillyanne*

    *cries some more*

    I'll have DEAN mon, wed, friday...............and on those days you can have SAM

    I'll have SAM Tues, thurs, Saturday........and on those days you can have DEAN

    We'll split Sunday up and share CAS.............. but just for talking........cause i really don't think he swings our way. *CAS Gaydar.....DING...DING...DING*

    SEE....i'm committed.... made a schedule.............see above.................but it's not my fault if they stop visiting you...........not, like i'm brainwashing them... or anything

    HAHAHAHAhahahahaa....................

    *hides brainwashing gun*

    <333333333333

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  150. DahneNovember 8, 2010 at 5:41 AM

    Hey now, I did not make one reference to how hot Intense!Dean always looks. :-P

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  151. DahneNovember 8, 2010 at 5:45 AM

    Perhaps they can teach Grandpa Creepy how to post to a website too. He really shouldn't be keeping all his nifty tricks to himself like the devamping potion.

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  152. rochey_1November 8, 2010 at 6:03 AM

    Hi Ekas Matahari :)

    Nice to cyber meet you *cyber hug*

    Like your comment.... but i think.... Sam is more selfish than usual, in this soulless state.... and he's following Dean for the minute.... but if he wants to do something....he will....that's soulless sammy's way :(((

    He's working on no instinct..... so he's doing what he wants with the Campbell family... but with Dean he's doing something else.... I don't know what that is :((

    I've seen a lot of evidence, Like turning up at Lisa's house at the end of season 5, telling Dean it's better with you, (vamp aside) protecting and defending him etc..... so either, he's using his intelligence/memories to make a logical connection to Dean, or in his soulless state he's still being drawn to Dean. I hope it's the 2nd one....i'm sappy that way :)))

    I just hope this is Sam.... I think the Crowley having his soul plot.... i dunno... i'm not really buying it :(

    I'll be crushed if this isn't Sam albeit Soulless Sam :(((((

    thank you for the reply.... and if you don't understand....i'll explain what i said, as many times as you like.... I don't mean any offense/insult by that.... it's just, maybe you don't speak english.... i apologize if i'm wrong.

    <3333

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  153. DahneNovember 8, 2010 at 6:05 AM

    My favorite was AlphaVamp calling him "grandpappy."

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  154. rochey_1November 8, 2010 at 6:44 AM

    EHHHHHH..........DOES NOT COMPUTE.........................................................

    *runs away*

    Can i just say...... warning...... chick flick in 10, 9 ,8 ,7 , 6, 5 etc.

    I love talking to you.... you're as unstable as i am... and funny to boot..... and.... i just know this is the beginning of a beautiful spoiler tv friendship <3

    *cyber hugging Jillyanne the hardest*

    JILLYANNE... JILLYANNE........*dramatic* NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    *accidently Crushed Jillyanne*

    *tries to hide the body*

    OH THANK GOD JILLYANNE ..............

    *gentle cyber hug*

    <333333

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  155. jillyanneNovember 8, 2010 at 8:05 AM

    See now that's what I don't get. If Grandpa's such a crash hot hunter with all this knowledge, you'd think he'd share. So why didn't he?

    If Sam and Dean had known about the devamp potion they could have helped Lenore (I think she'd have been delighted not to have to drink cow blood). All hunters seem to know other hunters, so it would be easy to pass the knowledge around.

    Grandpa's just a selfish, mean ol' Chrome Dome, that's what I think. And whatever he's up to now, I bet there's some selfish motivation for that too.

    Dean shoulda let Sammy shoot him.

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  156. E. CNovember 8, 2010 at 11:20 AM

    Not unless I steal away the three of them so I can keep them to myself ;)

    *evil laugh*

    *runs away from the other crazy fangirls chasing her for Sam, Dean and Cas back*

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  157. E. CNovember 8, 2010 at 11:26 AM

    OOOOOOOO WE'RE BUDDIES NOW ;)

    *glomps back*

    Aww thank you :)

    JILLYANNE! ROCHEY_1 IS CHEATING ON YOU WITH ME BECAUSE SHE THINKS YOU ARE CHEATING ON HER :P

    I'm really not good with the whole subtle thing ;)

    Lisa already broke up with him. So you can't have him anymore and that means he is mine. I'll share though... sometimes... maybe... ;)

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  158. DahneNovember 8, 2010 at 12:45 PM

    Apparently, he wouldn't be under Crowley's thumb right now if he shared either. He deserves whatever he gets and probably a whole lot more.

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  159. Charlene BuchananNovember 8, 2010 at 7:36 PM

    oh sorry lol , i see . I thought that it was a really good episode u ? thank's for responding alot of people don't when i ask them something :) , i was getting worried that it was going on a break as it's just actually building a story . xx

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  160. prpleightNovember 8, 2010 at 7:36 PM

    Crowley used other human technology...remember the bug he planted in Dean's car? I can buy cell phone.

    Can't bring myself to by Crowley as the big guy behind all of this...I liked the episode better after watching it in a full sitting the second time. But Crowley...just not working for me.

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  161. prpleightNovember 8, 2010 at 7:36 PM

    My best friend somehow manages not to watch Supernatural live. (I have no idea how it's impossible for me. I barely make it from Friday to Friday) She was down for Halloween and we watched the whole first part of season six that Friday. So it was a little fresher on my mind.

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  162. prpleightNovember 8, 2010 at 7:36 PM

    Personally, I think NOT talking to fictional characters is mental.

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  163. Supernatural JunkieNovember 8, 2010 at 7:36 PM

    I think maybe he will be at peace, finally, but Dean will be dealing
    with rage and anger after losing Lisa and Ben and the trauma of all
    that's happened with Sam.

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  164. Charlene BuchananNovember 8, 2010 at 7:36 PM

    yeh mine to very interesting and intense , can't wait till next week

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  165. Supernatural JunkieNovember 8, 2010 at 7:36 PM

    I love the idea that Sam won't remember until he gets his soul back. I bet
    the floodgates of emotion will bust then.

    Sent from my Motorola Droid Smartphone.

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  166. jillyanneNovember 8, 2010 at 7:49 PM

    True. But we can read between the lines.
    And no one said having fangirl moments was a bad thing......it's just.......um........*whispers* a little bit embarrassing. ;)
    Maybe we could form a support group for reluctant fangirls? - SAD Anonymous? (Sam And Dean) :P

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  167. jillyanneNovember 8, 2010 at 7:51 PM

    Nope. No shame. Be proud of your fangirlyness. (see reply to Dahne re hotness of Intense!Dean)

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  168. jillyanneNovember 8, 2010 at 8:16 PM

    Unstable? Who you calling unstable? I am not unstable.

    Bruce_F and I had this discussion a few days ago - he called SPN fans 'disturbingly unhealthy' - can you believe it????? So insulting. Naughty Bruce.

    Never fear though - I put him straight yes I did.

    The preferred term is: 'BATSHIT CRAZY', not 'unstable.'

    Right. Now we've cleared that up - yes. I am funny - in fact I'm hilarious - but it's a well kept secret *whispers* so don't tell anyone - not even that E.C. creature you've been hanging out with. (thought I didn't know huh? jillyanne knows everything that goes on around here.)
    Just be careful with those bone crushing cyber hugs of yours. I'm delicate.

    *gentle cyber hug* back at you <333

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  169. jillyanneNovember 8, 2010 at 8:46 PM

    1. 'Fully committed'? Well I thought so until you started messing with that E.C. Hey - you can have other spoiler tv buddies - obviously you're a polybuddyist - I can live with that. Excuse me, I have to go sulk now. Okay I'm back.

    2. I like this schedule - it seems fair - *whispers*you might not want to suggest Cas is g-a-y ...... the Cascrazies might attack you in your sleep. Just FYI . Personally I find it slightly sacrilegious to lust after nerdy prettyboy angels...... but that's just me. Hahahaaaa - I'm totally LYING

    3. 'Brainwashing'? You wouldn't. Would you? Nooooooo...... that's so not fair. Excuse me I have to go sulk again. LYING again...... I was really tattooing the guys with an anti-brainwashing symbol HA!!!! Guess where I put them? Go on guess.........

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  170. jillyanneNovember 8, 2010 at 8:54 PM

    Pleeeeaaaaase don't steal the pretty boys E.C. I'll only have to take them back again. And that'll end bloody for everyone.

    Besides, we've got to be NICE to each other or we'll get banned from the site. Then what will I do? I don't have a life outside spoiler tv - in fact - not sure I even exist outside spoiler tv..... I might even be a figment of my own imagination..........

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  171. Graciie TruongNovember 9, 2010 at 11:52 AM

    Yeah, but i was wondering, remember how Gramps was asking Dean if he had fed, because the devamp potion only worked if he hadn't? DOes that only apply to human blood? Or does it apply to animal as well? And Lenore may have had human blood back straight after she turned since unlike hunters, she might not have known what was happening and just acted on instinct, making the devamp potion ineffective.

    phew, that was a long pondering.

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  172. E. CNovember 9, 2010 at 2:36 PM

    Fineeee.... I'll play nice. But only because I have to >:(

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  173. jillyanneNovember 9, 2010 at 7:57 PM

    Good point Graciie. I suppose we'll never know whether Lenore sucked human blood or not. Or whether cow blood counts. Grandpa Creepy probably knows - but he doesn't share very well does he?
    I kind liked Lenore. If they're bringing anybody back it should be her.

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  174. Mia494November 9, 2010 at 11:04 PM

    You actually have a pretty good point. As far as I know, "purgatory" was an idea people just happened to come up with at some point that changed the prior dualistic vision of the beyond. Which means, at first there was just heaven and hell. Therefore, the idea is definitely younger than the Alpha vampire. And besides, come on, do monsters have to have a a place to go after death? that's stupid. First of all, monsters do not have souls. Or at least, they shouldn't have ones. And if the don't have souls, then when they die, they die, done. They do not need a place to go to. They just vanish or sth. And it isn't the first time they go too far with those things on Supernatural - it is as stupid as killing spirits - I mean, how can you kill an angel? or a demon? they're spirits. They should be immortal. So, if angels and demons can just die and vanish, why can't monsters? I think the writers should have asked themselves those questions before they came up with those ideas.

    I mean, I really thought there was something bigger going on. And then there's the thing with Crowley - he is JUST A DEMON, for heaven's sake, and now they question the whole beginning of season 4, when Dean asked Bobby: "what else can do it?" "airlift you ass out of the hot box? (love that line, btw :P) as far as I can tell, nothing". And Sam wasn't even in hell. My guess is, he was even deeper. There is no way a DEMON, no matter if he's a freaking king of hell or not, can pull someone out. Unless, he was only able to "airlift" Sam's body and not his soul, which is why his soul is still there, but that would mean Crowley still cannot give him his soul back and is a big fat liar. So yeah, I would agree there must be an archangel or sth involved.

    And please, make the Alpha storyline more than just looking for purgatory. It's really lame.

    I mean, i didn't hate the episode, I actually enjoyed watching it, but it disappointed me. There were some classic one-liners (mostly with Cas involved - and by the way, why does Cas get so little screentime?! I miss the guy!), some action, some cool moments between Sam and Dean, I really liked the Alpha, but the main storyline of the episode was just... well, weak.

    The only thing that is still mysterious - in a good, exciting way - is what Dean asked Cas - is that even Sam any more? Is his soul living somewhere, making its own memories? How damaged will Sam be "as a whole" when he gets his soul back? I will stick to these questions and keep hoping Crowley is just another puppet of a real big guy.

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  175. Ekas MatahariNovember 10, 2010 at 9:32 AM

    no i got what ur point is..., im good enough if i read but suck if i have to write..., my grammar very bad..., thank u for ur kind (offer me to explain) :D but i got it..., :D
    i agree with u generally...., i was just dont understand, if sam have no instinct, how he can survive when he confront with the enemy, did ppl need instinct to defend himself? but i watched again epi 7, n yes dean say sam no instinct, so i decide to follow the show, maybe what in my mind abt instinct is diff with others, im not say im right in this case, i could be wrong..., if i the only one in who thinking like this so yeah, i must be wrong..., :D

    thank u for reply, i think i need learn more abt instinct is?

    sorry for my suck English..., O_o

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  176. Ekas MatahariNovember 10, 2010 at 10:17 AM

    ignore my previous comment, they dont let me edited.., :D

    no i got what ur point, OMG im so sorry for my horrible english..., :D, im good enough if i read but became problem when i have to write them..., my grammar very bad..., thank u for ur kind (offer me to explain) :D but i got it..., :D

    i agree with u generally...., i was just dont understand (abt sam have no instinct), i though he lost his feeling n emo but he should be still have his instinct, even animal have instinct..., i though (once again only my though) he act beside from his memories n logic also with instinct, if sam have no instinct, how he can survive when he confront with the enemy, did ppl need instinct to defend himself? but i watched again epi 7, n yes dean say sam no instinct, so i decide to follow the show, maybe what in my mind abt instinct is diff with others, im not say im right in this case, i could be wrong..., if i the only one in who thinking like this so yeah, i must be wrong..., :D

    thank u for reply, i think i need learn more abt instinct is?

    sorry for my suck English..., O_o

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  177. rochey_1November 10, 2010 at 11:36 AM

    Hi again *waves* :D

    I HATE THAT... i can't edit either :(((

    Your english is actually fine.... considering.... it's a nightmare language to learn, to begin with... I've been speaking it all my life, and still struggle with my grammar :))

    Dean told Sam that he has no instinct.... I kinda agree with Dean, but i also disagree with him, as well.
    I agree that Sam has no general instinct, and the way the show is explaining it to me seems.... i dunno.... That Sam is going by base instincts... He's obsessed with hunting and family..... To me this seems like, these 2 would be the strongest memories for him....considering they are his life..... so he's prob saying "hmmm. dean is brother, so thats important.... grand pa is family so that must be important....and i hunt... so thats what i'll do"

    Ya know it's like he's decided this..... but someone mentioned, in another post, that Sam is seeing life like a maths equation (A+B=C)...... I completely agree... He's all logic at the moment... Feelings only come into it, when Deans around, because Dean is his moral compass. Sam really gets it, but doesn't at the same time.... if ya know what i mean.

    I mean.... he's extremely intelligent... so i believe, he knows it's wrong, but doesn't feel it... Imagine how alien that is.

    when Dean is like "NO sam don't shoot Grand pa"..... Sam looks at him like "why Dean, he betrayed us, he needs to die.... Why? ".... So logic dictates to sam (A+B=C).

    Sam has a SOCIOPATHIC personality at the moment, and i read an interview with the audio director... who said, that when they were coming up with ideas for Sam this season... they mentioned, sociopathic and Ted Bundy for sam.... so yeah sociopathic.

    I don't think YOU need to learn about instinct... cause we're all coming at this from the wrong angle..... ya know... trying to make sense of his character, from a realistic point of view.... I don't think there is realistic, with what they're doing with Sam.

    MHO- The WRITERS are all over the place with his character at the moment.... like turning on, and off his non- exsistent soul, when it suits them. He does something that screams 'has a soul' and then does something sociopathic, like smile, as his brother gets turned into a vamp... but at the same time protects, and defends him, and watches over him, which screams 'has a soul'.

    I think the writers were trying to do MISDIRECTION with the fans... ya know ramping up the 'OH MY GOD... he's just evil... or Lucifer' theory... to kinda throw us off the scent......that we all kinda guessed he had no soul... but still trying to F**ck with our heads... but at the same time, confusing the hell outta us.

    SOOO sorry this is long.... I suuuuuuck at explaining things. and ramble on foreeeever :))))

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