Supernatural - Poll - What Is Up With Sam?
Oct 24, 2010
Polls SupernaturalThe mysteries are piling up on Supernatural this season. What is up with the monsters? Who was Grandpa Creepy calling? How are Sam and Grandpa Creepy back from the dead? Why is Grandpa Creepy capturing monsters and what is he doing with them? Why does the CW think people who watch Supernatural will be interested in Gossip Girl or 90210?
All valid questions, but the biggest mystery is what is up with Sam? I've read many theories. Some believe that he is suffering from his trip to hell and that this is his way of coping with his experiences there, a Post-Hell Stress Syndrome if you will. Others think he is still possessed by Lucifer or that he was permanently changed by all the demon blood he drank before facing Satan. There is the theory that he has been soul-jacked and cannot connect with basic human emotions. Some feel he is working with Grandpa Creepy and the CSK's (Cambell Soup Kids, thanks SuePo)while others think that he is using them for his own nefarious purposes. My current theory is that he is being controlled by an Alpha. That is just a few of the theories floating around.
What is your theory? Vote in the poll below. If you have a different theory, please add it in the comments section. Happy voting!
Am I the only person who thinks that the final battle really did happen in the cage?? That Lucifer and Michael did fight and that the winner is the one walking around up top in Sam's body?? Or maybe its a combination of Sam and one of them? I mean if one of them won the only body they could posses is Sam's cuz Adam was already dead. Angels don't really have feelings and it doesn't seem as if Sam does. Plus if its Michael, he's already fulfilled his destiny to fight his brother. So maybe he doesn't have enough angel power to take control of heaven right now so hes using Sams body till he does finds a way to get power.
ReplyDeleteI haven't read all the comments so no idea if I'm repeating but...
ReplyDeleteI don't think Sam is evil at all. I think, at the moment, we're seeing the world through Dean's eyes. Since the beginning of the season, he's the character we've mostly stuck with, and he's the character who we're identifying with (Sam coming back, Grandpa Creepy, etc etc). So, if Dean is suspiscious, we're suspiscious.
I think Sam is working with/for Heaven. They brought him back for reasons he can't tell Dean... maybe it even involves Dean's destiny, and thus, Sam can't tell him for fear of derailing it. From Dean's perception, it all looks like secret and lies and lack of emotions. But is it? We just haven't seen Sam's side of it yet.
Love that you pulled this together I hadn't seen some of these theories.
ReplyDeleteI really do not have a clue. But it just seems to me that the only thing that would let Sam put his brother in jeopardy would be the loss of his soul. Even on demon blood his brother was a priority. I'm lookign forward to finding out.
You are SO modest in your awesomeness.
ReplyDeleteIf that's gonna go ahead, could be that this season is setting up a bigger plot, while the next will resolve it. Most shows only go for 7 seasons so that would be awesome to have a two-season plot, after coming out of a five-season one.
ReplyDeleteAs a member of this community, I take all the credit for its awesomeness. ^^
ReplyDeleteYou know, I actually don't mind TVD all that much. It's not one of my "must see TV shows" but it's entertaining for what it is... and I do love me some supernatural-themed shows. And, like you said, not much else on at the time it airs. Then again, I pretty much watch anything that doesn't bore me to tears or annoy me.
ReplyDeleteAnd I get the frustration. I'm not exactly a "Sam Fan" but I'd like him to have a bit more screen time... I'm just cautiously optimistic that there's a good master plan for this season that will make it all worth it!
Yeah, I didn't think you got it.
ReplyDeleteIt meant, you're putting words in my mouth.
Not once did I insult you. Yet, you insulted me several times in one post. It wasn't that I didn't like your opinion, it's that I didn't necessarily agree with it. However, all I did was offer my own.
I'm sorry you feel the need to take things so personally but there's no need to play the victim card.
Hey Hungry - you really watch TVD? Really? And I thought you had such great taste - you even liked my leopard print velvet curtains! Actually I have to admit I watch TVD too. Yeah there's nothing else on on a Thursday night where I live and I can't watch Supernatural DVDs ALL the time. Well I could, but my significant other would probably have me locked up.
ReplyDeleteAnyhow, I just wanted to agree with you - this season (SPN I mean, not TVD) is awesome in its different-ness. Loving it. Despite being seriously frustrated - oh wait I've already said that elsewhere - so looking forward to finding out WTFs going on.
I don't believe in attacking people because they have a different opinion. I do believe in being careful to use language that hopefully can't be misinterpreted as disrespectful or derogatory. Mostly those who comment here on SpoilerTV are very aware of everyone's right to express their opinions. Many of the Supernatural fans in particular like to come here because some of the dedicated Supernatural fansites get caught up in flame wars over Sam and Dean. SpoilerTV does not tolerate over the top behavior, but sometimes we say things that offend when we have no intention of offending. Sometimes the best thing to do is ignore, because by responding, the situation escalates. I'm guessing you are new here, right? If so, welcome. This is an awesome place to spend time, with really great people.
ReplyDeleteOh you just made me very happy!! I just hope now that there is a season 7. :( That's a light at the end of the tunnel thank you for that!!!
ReplyDeleteI hope so too because it would be great redemption for Sam. The roles will have been reversed completely... Sam is now protecting Dean.
ReplyDeleteAnd also, I'm over Sam being "dark and evil." I hope they're not going that route again. But to me, it looks way too obvious for Sam to be bad.
Superwiki's blog has a post 'Good Omens for a Seventh Season' dated August 30 quoting Jensen Ackles at the Vancouver Con saying both he and Jared have signed contracts for a 7th season should one be ordered. So there is still hope.
ReplyDeleteOh God I hope not I love Sam and don't want him to be half demon. :( I'm a Sam girl and can't help but hope for a good brotherly reaction soon. I love sensitive Sam and womanizer Dean. I saw a glimpse of the old, one night stand Dean in the last episode when he commented on the girls being into the vamps and the guys getting the girl, but it was just to short. I miss both Dean and Sam.
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to say thanks for the way you posted. I've been attacked for a post of mine and the way you disagreed with out being mean was a refreshing thing to see, so thank you for disagreeing but being nice about it. I wish more people were. And for the records I think the same things you've been.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree I love Sam and I feel like he and Dean need a break from all the hurt. I think Sam was a good guy I mean he did just jump into hell to save the world. Even Bobby said the kid had a lot of heart, when he was saving all those people right before the end and Sam had no reason to do it if he didn't care. I want the brother's back together fighting for each other, even if they are damaged, cause let's face it, going through what they went though you'd be screwed up, but I don't think Sam's caring was fake. I think that's what makes me the saddest is that he's no longer the caring guy he was, especially with Dean. If you can't tell I'm a big fan of the boys, but really was glad when Lisa seemed to diverge after this last episode. I didn't like her she got in the way, made Dean boring, I love him chasing tails and being the womanizer.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking that too, well actually,hoping for it. In the beginning I didn't want it to be something besides Sam because that would mean we weren't watching Sam this whole time and that he was most likly still in hell but now, with what they've done to the character I'm really hoping that's it. I hope that Sam's locked away and there's a creature out there wearing his skin. I love Limp/Whump and that would sure give us a fantastic reunion of the boys but what scares me is that Jared said Sam was 100% Sam, of course that was during the con and they were only to epi 4 but it still scares me. He did also say that Sam had become harder but not heartless and leaving Dean to get turned, even if there was a possible cure, would be pretty heartless. Especially since Gramps said it wasn't proven and could still kill him. Yikes I'm scared. :)
ReplyDeleteOh I got what you meant you don't like what I have to say in defense of myself because there's just too many words. I can't help it if you don't like to read. Oh yes and I said IF you were a real fan. Never said you were or weren't. I'd be concerned to honey. Why are we even fighting. You read my post didn't like it, in a round about way insulted me and my feelings, I came back and told you I thought you were being a Jerk for doing that and you continued to get more and more insulting. I'm done. Write all you want but I am finished with the likes of you. Please continue honey, i'm sure somebody will care, just not me.
ReplyDeleteYes I agree..
ReplyDeleteTHank you for a nice reply. Yes I think your right, it's just so frustrating to have this limbo. This is the first season that I've not looked forward to every new episode. And I agree it's the fan's that have kept it afloat. I just don't want to see yet another great show get thrown away because the fan's are the only ones that care about it. :(
ReplyDeleteNice, I titled one of my the pictures of Sam from that episode 'Darth Sam'. ;D
ReplyDeleteI completely forgot about Dean and was just thinking 'what the heck is wrong with you Sam'.
And then Grandpa told us that Sam knew about the cure and I was done, I was like 'you are not Sam, who are you'. I loved it. I expected to worship Dean as sexy vampire, I did it, but I was more busy with freaking out about Sam. Hookers I get but not saving your brother is crazy behavior.
I'm not sure his motive was scolding Sam. If he's been monitoring Sam to see if Sam turned evil, because he was sent to hunt him, or he did something to Sam, then maybe his questions were an attempt at probing to see whether Sam has turned yet. If you step back and look at the episode, it appears to be about Sam setting Dean up and Dean turning. Maybe it was really about Grampa setting up Sam and Sam turning.
ReplyDeleteMy theory is that they don't give a damn about Supernatural anymore, they've moved it to Friday nights, which in a long line, for a long time, has been the death night, put it right behind Smallville which is in it's last season, and (yes I'm a Sam girl) decided if they ruin the character nobody will care the show is ending.
ReplyDeleteI mean after all Dean will have his somewhat happy ending having Lisa and Ben, maybe not right now, but she'll take him back and he'll have gramps to pick up the family line. This way we'll loose all interest in Sam's struggle because he's turned. That's what I think anyway and it makes me irate because this is/was my favorite show, I don't even let my husband talk during it and now for this whole season, save Weekend at Bobby's, I haven't felt like I've been watching Supernatural once.
This last episode would have been classic SN if Sam had been "our Sam." Like many other's, I miss the banter, the humor, the developed characters and monsters, and the brotherly connection That's what drew me in and kept me coming back, the brothers against the world.
This season has been devoid of any connection from the get go. We've gotten a lot of Dean and even Cas and Bobby, but really nothing of Sam except he's not worth our sympathies or care. Yes, it's a mystery to stitch the season together, but it's not a good one!N not well thought out, and for both Dean and Sam people, not a fan pleasing one.
Maybe the teenie boppers love it, I mean they brought in the Vamp diaries very popular right now due to Twilight and an easy sell so they don't care how they've damaged the show, and a great advertisement for the show that they've left on Thursdays and want to take presidence, rolls eyes, perfect for the kids who love high-school drama's and kitchy TV shows but not the adults that enjoyed the myth and intelligence behind the show. ** poster Hungry Emo thinks I meant people who watch vamp diaries are only the young, no I meant it's the perfect way to bring in the young who can be easily swayed, hmmm much like how the vamps on the show pulled in the young girls and turned them.*
This show was one that could span all those genre's.
Isn't it the fans that keep a show going? And all fan's not just those age 12 to 18?
So that's why I think they're trying to kill the show, rather they are letting it suffer a season long illness. What we've seen so far makes me so sad, because once again I've lost that excitment I felt for another great show. Now instead of coming away from the episode satisfied and feeling entertained I feel sick and distraught, disappointed and drained.
I'm not attacking any certain age frame or making fun of what people like to watch I just feel, once again, another show is being neglected and pushed aside to bring in newer, fresher faces and leaving the faithful fans in the dust. Why is it those who are faithful always get the short end of the stick? At least that's what I think. ;)
I think the story is more interesting in some ways if Sam really did change a little, but I think he passed the point of no return this past week--if it's not supernatural and he's just humanly evil now. I don't expect him to ever be the Sammy of the early seasons again, but betraying Dean is too evil.
ReplyDeleteIf they can devamp Dean, they can uncork Sam. I know that the writers have a plan to get Sammy back. I just hope it does not end up being Sam's fault. He needs to be the victim in this or people are going to hate him. You can only go so far and excuse so much before the tide turns. They have to make Sam sympathetic this season or risk alienating a large part of their audience. That's why I don't think it's just that he is messed up from hell. It has to be an influence by something or someone. Either that or the payoff has to be so great that people excuse him using Dean as bait. And I don't know what could be that big.
ReplyDeleteI usually agree with your comments and theories Jilly, and I agree yet again. We just don't know, and I kind of like that they're slowly building it up and teasing us. But I just hope we don't have to wait *too* long for at least some explaination.
ReplyDeleteI think all the separate storylines (the civil war in Heaven/Balthazar, Crowley's problems in Hell, Grandpa Creepy and his 'kids', Alpha, and what's up with Sam) will all fuse together, somehow.
I believe that Sam's messed up because of Lucifer, that maybe being in the same cage with him for even a short time he was in a way Lucy's pupil and his way of caring about others was lost, maybe he shut himself down from "human emotion" to escape what Lucifer was doing to him in the pit. It would explain how he said that he and Dean were different. Dean took it and it shaped him into who he is now. And Sam...he shut himself away from it, but now that he's back...he doesn't want to chance that pain that comes with being human...he's all business now, and I think Dean is the only one that can get Sam back to being Sam.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree with you. And that's also the reason why I don't think it's just the after effects of his time in the cage. Sam somehow needs to be excused and that's either because he's incapable of having feelings or by being somebody else. I trust the writers that they will have realized this. I mean, they must learned something from season 3 and the Bela disaster. Letting a new female character shot one of the brothers is irredeemable.
ReplyDeleteGood points. Lots of maybes no answers yet.
ReplyDeleteHi, actually meant CW shows in general and not specific trailers for Supernatural. You know like a thursday or friday night trailer.
ReplyDeleteI understand that you're not happy with the direction of the show but what does that have to do with my post?
I'm way past my teens and I love season 6. I know it hurts when you don't like the direction of a new season but that happens all the time. I went through it with Buffy and with Lost. I stopped watching and returned after a season or two. I don't know what you expected but bringing Sam back and everything was ok would have been a repeat of season 1. Sorry, but that would have been lazy writing. I got my dvds if I want to see season 1 Sam again.
I'm more of a Dean girl but I love what they are doing with Sam's character. I could talk about it for ages. Is it painful to see him this way? Absolutely. Do I think the writers are trying to kill his character? Absolutely not. I see it as interesting storytelling. I love Sera Gamble's choice of having a multi-layered mystery throughout the season. I don't want happy soap opera like stories or lazy we-drive-into-town-and-kill-the-monster-and-tell-a-few-jokes episodes, Supernatural is in it's six season I expect twisted plot-heavy episodes.
If you really don't recognize your favorite show anymore and can't see anything good in the changes than stop watching. There are so many other shows, try and maybe you find a new one. Fringe is excellent this season. But I firmly believe that nothing is lost, the show is still about Sam and Dean and their relationship but there is not just banter but also struggles so I believe that after a while, I don't know how long, they will be just as close as before. What is very unlikely is that they will behave as care-free as in season 1 or 2, they are grown men, they can't be as childish as in these seasons. Everybody changes and so does the characters and the seasons.
Dahne thanks for the poll and really the question about the CW and gossip girl had me laughing out loud!
ReplyDeleteGrandpa Creepy was definitely trying to kill the Alpha Vamp, but what if Sam was using GC's knowledge to locate him. The same could be said about him using the baby as bait to locate the Alpha Shapeshifter. What if Sam is using Gramps' good hunting knowledge to help whatever is controlling him or whatever got him out of hell? It makes sense that he would suddenly need be a member of the Campbell clan to do that. Maybe it is Sam who sought out the CSA instead of them finding Sam. URGH! So many maybes, so little answers.
ReplyDeleteYeah like I said 'patronising'.
ReplyDeleteI think it's more likely that it's the Alpha only because the emphasis has been very anti heaven/hell this season. But Sam seems really interested to find the alpha not necessarily like he's being controlled which makes me thing that something else is up... I guess we'll just have to find out!
ReplyDeleteMaybe but how long are we going to have to wait. If they don't fix it soon, they aren't going to have any fans left to watch it. :(
ReplyDeleteI think hell corresponds more to heaven. Earth could go without destroying either heaven or hell. You do have a point that Raphael can't start the Apocalypse, at least how it was written, without both Michael and Lucifer. I wonder if that mean that Raphael is trying to release Lucifer and Michael while fighting the other angels at the same time. I hope it does not mean this. I am tired of the Apocalypse theme. I didn't think it was done well last year and don't want a do-over now.
ReplyDeleteI dropped the pen I was using to take notes. Then I had to pick it up again to write, "WHAT!!! Not good. Not good. What is wrong with Sam?" It wigged me out too that Sam had gone so far over into the dark side. I was expecting to hear heavy breathing and the Empire theme song.
ReplyDeleteThe CW has never cared about Supernatural. They inherited it from the WB and have tried their best for years to kill it off. It's only the fans that have kept it going. I have no doubt that the season will end with us knowing what Sam has gone through and I hope that it makes Sam sympathetic. I honestly don't think that Sera and crew are trying to kill Sam's character. I think that once everything is out in the open, we will have empathy for Sam. He may not be exactly like he was in the beginning, and he shouldn't be since he has gone through so much, but I think he will be the beloved brother and character that people have missed. Keep the faith! Supernatural has a way of turning the worst ideas/plots into something classically great! I believe at the end of the season we will be glad it unfurled the way it did - well, for the most part.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe he read about the alpha vampire being able to send visions or more likely he tortured a vampire about it like Gordon did with Lenore. Or he simply meant by 'What did you see' if he by any chance saw the alpha vampire in the nest.
ReplyDeleteI'm not buying the whole "Grampa" thing. It was implied that they(Sam and Samuel) did not plan ahead to capture the vamp alpha. And when Samuel called out Sam on risking his brother, I thought "Hmm. Maybe Sam is the one using the campbells."
ReplyDeleteGreat post, Dahne. It's really got me thinking.
Ooohh! I like this one. That would make Grandpa Creepy diabolical and I am all for him being evil. However, not sure that Grandpa Creepy would be scolding him for using Dean as bait if that were true.
ReplyDeleteLOL. Your wish, my command.
ReplyDeleteWe definitely need some answers next week. They cannot keep stringing us along with more questions without giving at least a few answers. One of the things I always liked about Supernatural is that they give us answers as we get more questions. They will have moved onto the LOST island if we do not get a major reveal in the next 4 episodes - at least before the winter break.
ReplyDeleteDeath is the one who wanted him to go to hell. I wonder why he would want him to come back out. But Death does seem like one of the few things that would have that much power. I know it's naive, but I really believed Sam when he looked disappointed that Cas did not think it was God who brought him out. Maybe the Sam-thing is just a great actor. Hey! That's what I'm going to call it from now on if Sam's not being Sam - the Sam-Thing.
ReplyDeleteInteresting idea. I never thought about that. How exactly does an Alpha get made? Maybe that's one of the questions they will answer this season. I'd be very interested in that mythology.
ReplyDeleteSo you want him to be Sam but what's your theory why he is so different if you don't want him to be without a soul
ReplyDeleteI loved Mark Pellegrino as Lucifer, but surely since it is a brand new season with a new showrunner they'll be wanting to move on from that?
ReplyDeleteNoticed that too, I'm hoping the wrap it up then and give us our show and brother's back then so we can get to the deeper mystery and enjoy the show again.
ReplyDeleteJust tell me he is no longer drinking demon blood because that ship has definitely sailed...around the world...34 times and then got lost at sea never to be heard of again. We have got to get out of that storyline.
ReplyDeleteYes, makes be absolutely sick to my stomach. Instead of being excited to watch SN, now I dread what else they will do to a character that I loved so much. :(
ReplyDeleteAlso examining his mannerisms and expressions (or lack thereof) he just appears jaded by the horror going on around him.
ReplyDeleteI'm suspicious that he asked Dean what he saw instead of what he knew or heard. That's the first thing that made me think that Sam had experienced these visions too, leading me to think that an Alpha was sending him visual messages.
ReplyDeleteYES!
ReplyDeleteApparently they are adding a love interest in order to increase Nikita's women 18-49 viewers, the lifeline of the CW's advertising. I would be happy someone was watching their shows if I were the CW, not making changes that may alienate the ones who are already fans.
ReplyDeleteIt's an interesting theory, but I so badly want him to be Sam :( It'll be so annoying if he's soul jacked for half a season or so.
ReplyDeleteI want it to be Post-Hell Stress Syndrome. My reasons been the others imply external influence and I'm fed up of that. He's already had Ruby so the Grandpa Creepy thing would be a rehash of that. He's been posssessed by Lucifer, and I'd rather that not continue as I want the show to move on. Same thing with the soul jacked thing really; I want him to still be Sam and for us to move on from that.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's Post-Hell Stress Syndrome, but he has trace elements of Lucifer; that traumatic experience colours who he is now and he has Lucifer 'episodes', as shown in the last episode.
Person can't handle another's opinion so I've removed. Get that a lot from Dean girls who love that it's all Dean all the time instead of seeing that the show is about the characteristic's of both guys. Sad that people can't take a reply without being mean.
ReplyDeleteI think he got out of Hell broken, but I won't be surprised if he's changed in the year he's been out - possibly because of something Gramps did. What makes me think that is that Sam started off not wanting to get Dean involved (maybe he was distancing because he knew something was wrong with himself), but now he has no problem with causing Dean pain. One of my theories is that Grampa was brought back to hunt Sam, or maybe he set Sam up as bait to attract the Alpha.
ReplyDeleteI Reckon he Might Have lost His soul somehow, but why samual is back ... not a clue
ReplyDeleteI'd love to know what they mean by 'female friendly' ? Cause that sounds awfully patronising to me. Haven't seen Nikita yet but chances are, if they start tweaking it they'll wreck it.
ReplyDeleteYeah I totally agree. Cas was doing everything he could at that point to scare Dean into being Michaels vessel.
ReplyDeleteSo I think that Grandpa creepy has done something to Sam, a ritual, or given him some kind of drug to surpress his emotions from hell and that is what has changed Sam.
ReplyDeleteActually... Yeah... Hmmm I agree about another storyline, I just really want to see Mark Pellegrino again :)
ReplyDeleteI voted for the post-hell thing...but honestly I don't know. I love the show much, seriously I'm addicted to it. Also, I used to be on Team Sam for years, I've always loved him more than Dean, but now I can't recognize any of them... and it's really depressing...
ReplyDeletehe asks dean that cause he wants to find the alpha..
ReplyDeleteThat's what I was thinkining, like a shapeshifter or something.
ReplyDeleteIs it possible that Sam has become a demon during his not-so-long stay in Lucifer's Cage? He kind of reminds me of Ruby and her "I still have human feelings" thing.
ReplyDeleteI think Cas was lying then since he had been brainwashed by the angels. When was that? I only remember Castiel saying something about Sam and his blood consumption in 4.21 When the Levee Breaks.
ReplyDeleteCould be. But I thought that vibe came from Castiel being ashamed about how the angels behaved not because he wanted to spare Dean the bad news that his brother is running around without a soul. Guess Cas will tell us next week! ;D
ReplyDeleteI still don't understand why they don't make better trailers where they combine certain shows with a theme.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Dean was in hell for forty years and it did great and permanent damage to him. Sam could have been in Hell for one hour and I can bet that it was worse that Dean because he was trapped in a cage with Lucifer and Micheal and Sam was always fragile with the whole evil thing, I don't think it would take a lot for him to lose it and become twisted and corrupted. I also believe that Sam is working for someone, willingly, and it's probably whoever pulled him out and so does Samuel only their missions are different.
ReplyDeleteI'm not really the silent type. ;D So I was yelling WTF Lol
ReplyDeleteIt's a nice reality. ;D
ReplyDeleteMaybe Cas doesn't have the heart to tell Dean that Sam's effed up. I got that vibe in the scene in "The Third Man" when Cas finally showed up.
ReplyDeleteI love the mystery this season. It's so exciting. Not like in season 4 where you could easily guess that Sam was drinking demon blood. Next week is the truth episode, so I bet they will use it to reveal a few more things about Sam. :D
ReplyDeleteI don't know the fence didn't seem to be that high and Sam is pretty tall. I thought the fence jumping was a sign of him being a better hunter.
Yeah, that makes quite a bit more sense. Unfortunately I heard that Nikita was too intense for the female viewing audience and now they are tweaking it to be "female friendly" *vomit* XD
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping it's nothing to do with Lucifer. I'd like to think we have a new storyline now...
ReplyDeleteI think that Sam's both using Grandpa Creepy for his own purposes and either one of the following: he's possessed, he's actually a demon, or he's soulless. Any and all of these are bad... I'm sick of things being wrong with Sam. I thought that that storyline was put to bed with Sam's demon blood habit being kicked... I wish the writers would give poor Sam a break. I miss his optimism and strong morals from Season 1, although I acknowledge that there is no way we're going to get that Sam back. :/
ReplyDeleteI think he's being controlled by whoever brought him out of hell or something along those lines. :P
ReplyDeleteWow. Wasn't expecting "Soul Jacked" to be the top choice. I chose it as well. Should be renamed "Soul Jacked-UP"
ReplyDeleteI believe its Sam but I think his SOUL was taken from him - his sense of moral consciousness that we all remember. When Dean came back from Hell His feelings and emotions got the best of him, he didn't let them out as much before going to hell. Sam on the other hand was kind a moral compass around Dean before going to hell and now it seems like that part is missing. Sam didn't make a deal so his Soul was taken without permission (unless there is something else that happened there that we don't know about).
ReplyDeleteSo many theories and anyone of them could be right or they all could be completely wrong. I'm loving the Sam mystery this season (and can I just say Jared has been outstanding in his portrayal) but I'm ready for some answers. Hopefully we get some in next weeks episode. BTW has anyone seen the promo for next week, Sam jumping over the fence in a not so human fashion?
ReplyDeletewe didn't see anything but Sam asked Dean if he did, twice I might add
ReplyDeleteI am going for soul jacked but I could be off base .
ReplyDeleteWell, my fave theory is that he's being possessed by Michael; Sam could've said 'yes' in exchange to being released from hell. Not sure if this can be, though, since I think Castiel would've recognised him the same way he did with Gabriel in 'Changing Channels'.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, this is my reality and I'll stick with it :D
I was literally sat there for 5 minutes with a face that can only be described as :-O!
ReplyDeleteI think I agree with you. After I read you theory in your recap, that's what I think is right. Hoping for some real answers soon though, I'm dead curious! x]
ReplyDeleteI think I agree with you. After I read you theory in your recap, that's what I think is right. Hoping for some real answers soon though, I'm dead curious! x]
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, I don't think the writers would do something that would change Sam's character forever. The show is about the brothers relationship. Sure, they're torturing us now that it's gone but I trust them that it will come back sooner or later.
ReplyDeleteI think the real clue is the shattered glass that is the opening sequence now. I think Sam shattered into multiple personalities. So when Sam says he would never use a baby as bait, or when he tells Grandpa that he didn't know the cure and would never put Dean in that position, he is telling the truth as he knows it. At the same time there is a part of Sam that does know about the cure and is so focused on the hunt that he will risk anything to accomplish the goal, so when that part of Sam is in control, he does do terrible, but pragmatic things.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Castiel didn't pay attention. He looked pretty stressed out when we saw him in 6.03 and when we met Aaron Castiel didn't yell 'soulless' the minute he saw the kid. Maybe he has to touch the person to feel it, I think he touched the body in My Bloody Valentine before he said that there was no soul in it but I'm not sure.
ReplyDeleteInteresting theory. Never thought about that possibility. I just got one question. Will Sam start creating mini Sams since the other alphas seem to be on a mission to create their own armys? ;D
ReplyDeleteI freaked out when I saw that the first time and even more when we saw it again in the flashback.
ReplyDeleteI'm going with the soulless theory at the moment. Either he doesn't have one at all or parts of it are missing. I suspects it was either some kind of payment to get out of the cage or his soul had to stay with Lucifer in the cage.
ReplyDeleteOnly without his soul, I can explain myself how Sam would do something like use his brother's life to get more information. I'm so excited for next week! :D More drama! Wohoo!
As much as I want ot find out what is wrong with Sam, I just wish they would hurry up and tell us. I feel its almost the same as in the second and fourth series when everyone was wondering what was up with Sam. I know he's his brother, but surely Dean must be getting a bit peed off by now with always ahvign to work out what is up with Sam and how to stop it. It just seems to be to be getting a bit old and tired using this again, 'oh no somethings wrong with sam, but what is it.' I for one would be qutie happy if Dean just said to Sam i am not hunting with you till you sort out what is wrong with you. How many times does dean have to be hunting with someone he doesn't really trust to watch his back.
ReplyDeletemy thoughts exactly I thought Sam may be the alpha hunter because he is an amazing hunter now and he keeps thinking all about hunting and not in any way becoming emotional, this makes him the best hunter ever but a lousy person and not the sam we knew.
ReplyDeleteSam is not Sam so i think its quite clear labelling him a 'dick' is just ridiculous when it couldn't be less Sam.
ReplyDeleteSomething is definitely up with Sammy boy. Don't know what it is, but that smirk he had on his face creeped the living daylights out of me.
ReplyDeleteI think Death got him out of hell Had to be someone powerful and I doubt God did it that would be too easy and he is working for him to find the Alpha's as is Grandpa but i don't think Gramps knows it is Death I think he talks to someone not so far up the scale
ReplyDeleteWhat if Sam IS an alpha?
ReplyDeleteThink about it, all of these monsters originated from one of each. What if Sam was so changed by the demon blood that he's his own species, as in the first, an alpha. I'm aware it sounds stupid but I can see this having a chance at being right
I think Sam just became a dick after his stint in the cage. He wasn't in there very long, so I don't think that his humanity was burned away (i.e. he became a demon and lost his human soul). From what we saw in Live Free Or Twihard, he's definitely not being controlled by Samuel, but he may be using Samuel for some dark plan. If he's controlled by an Alpha, I don't know what kind. The Alpha theme is showing up a lot this season, so it's possible. I'd really like it if he was possessed by Lucifer, but I doubt that the writers will pursue that angle. Then again, Raphael wants to start the Apocalypse again, which requires that both Lucifer and Michael be on earth to battle it out. If they could battle in Heaven (Lucifer's fall), then they might be able to battle in Lucifer's cage in Hell. I wonder what happens if one of them dies there. Would Hell be destroyed like Earth would have been? Who knows?
ReplyDeleteJasmine that is awsome! That was a very good statement because it changed my belief. I agree. Considering also he was trapped in a cage with lucifer and Michael fighting all the time must of drove him farther then crazy....to Hellcrazy
ReplyDeleteI reject to believe Sam's been changed forever. Not only I wouldn't bear watching Sam be like that, but it would also ruin the show, because as we know, show builts everything on their relationship. Demon blood had changed him, definitely, hardening him, made him more care-less, but not like that. Risking his brother's life? No. I don't believe it.
ReplyDeleteI'm going with soul-jacking, because from what I see now, it's like a stranger in Sammy's body. I don't know why but I believe his soul's missing.
Nah otherwise we would have seen him change like fridays episode in the season 5 finale.
ReplyDeleteI think that its more possession of lucifer BUT........I dont think Lucifer is in control of sam. Otherwise he would've done something really bad and i think the apoclaypse would still be in motion. I believe that there is some Lucifer still in him and trying to take control and at the same time turning sam darker and darker. Something like that.
ReplyDeleteI'm not completely sure. At the moment I think it's still "Post-hell Stress Syndrome". If he was controlled by an Alpha, what kind of Alpha would it be is what I'm wondering, and why would he be trying to get the Vampire Alpha?
ReplyDeleteHa, all good :)
ReplyDeleteIMO it's a combination of Demon Blood, using Granpa Creepy and influence from an Alpha. It would tie in nicely to this season's mythology.
ReplyDeleteI firmly believe Lucifer had absolutely nothing to do with how Sam is acting because a) No matter how hard he acts if it was Lucifer it would be painfully obvious and Cas would have known in a matter of seconds and b) Lu can't just leave the cage, in order for him to do it the time 66 seals had to be broken. So I really don't think it's Lu! As for Sam not really being Sam but a creature, well just the thought is ridiculous. First and foremost if Sam was any kind of creature Bobby would have killed him a long time ago, second if Bobby didn't kill him Dean would and third if even Dean didn't know (not possible) Cas would have known. Sam is also not being controlled by anyone...the guy threw Lucifer off, do you really think any kind of Alpha of any creature can control him? Cause I don't!
ReplyDeleteMy guess is that something that was already fragile in Sam snapped in that cage. I think being in Hell was a lot worse for Sam than it was for Dean. I think it's Sam but a whole lot more corrupted than he has ever been. I don't think it's "Post-Hell Stress Syndrome" I think that being down there changed him forever...
At least they could promote Nikita or The Vampire Diaries. Those would have some chance of me watching them. I'm not sure who these marketing people are at the CW, but they should definitely be fired. Hire fans as interns and maybe they wouldn't be the little netlet that couldn't.
ReplyDeleteShoot. Sorry. I'll do that right now. Still learning, but having fun while doing it. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteAs far as I can guess at this point, it seems like a combination of Soul-jacked, and influence by an Alpha.
ReplyDeleteI think its a combination of too much demon blood and having to surpress his emotions in order to both control Lucifer and survive hell. In Twi-hard he asked Dean twice "what did you see" in the Vampire nest, that has to be some kind of a clue as to what is going on with him, but I'm not sure what it means.
ReplyDeleteDahne, you need to edit the post and add the labels Supernatural and Polls so that the post goes out to the respective RSS/Twitter Feeds :)
ReplyDelete"Why does the CW think people who watch Supernatural will be interested in Gossip Girl or 90210?"
ReplyDeleteXD I know exactly what you mean! Those stupid voiceovers always make me laugh!
I think its the demon blood, Castiel warned Dean that to withold Lucifer Sam would have to consume a significant amount of demon blood and consuming said amount would change him forever.
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping it's something to do with Lucifer... Just so there may be a chance of Mark Pellegrino returning?? Maybe in a flash-back or something
ReplyDeleteMaybe that's not Sam and it's some kind of creature.
ReplyDeleteThat's true...
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's more like crossroad-demon type of owning soul, not in a literal sense because body without soul is a dead body...
I thought that Castiel could tell when a person did not have a soul, as in My bloody valentine, so surely he would have noticed if Sam did nto have a soul.
ReplyDeleteI'm a little concerned you didn't get what I meant right there.
ReplyDeleteAnywho, I believe it was yourself who was calling me "self-absorbed," that I "couldn't read other people's thoughts" (can anyone?), that I'm "not a real fan," I'm "one-sided" and a "jerk."
Maybe you should think twice before posting an opinion on a public forum if you don't want replies that differ from yours.
Yeah I heard that too and that's one thing that really scares me because we're already this far in and no nothing about what's going on. If this is the last season I want it to be a great send off and right now I think they've just decided it doesn't matter to keep up the show and all it's little special touches. I love this show, never miss it and I'm so scared that it will be stuffed off because they have no reason to try anymore. I mean if you know it's not going to last why put in the effort. :( I really hope the J's and the creator's want more and are just teasing us so we will get fired up and talk like we are right now. I really don't want the show to end and I'm afraid they'll give up on it and focus on the newer, hip shows that are out there.
ReplyDeleteOh good. Then maybe you'll be nice the next time somebodies opinions differ from your own, or duplicate what you've heard before and you'll be to full to be so snotty and insult and degrade somebody else's feelings. Here let me be the bigger person, I'm fine with your thoughts but don't attack, I have no problem that you feel the way you do about the show and want to hear what people think of my theory but will not stand back and get insulted. You are entitled to yours and me to mine that is where it stops. End of story.
ReplyDeleteAnytime. ^^
ReplyDeleteAnyone know what happened to that spin-off idea the creator was talking about which would revolve around Samuel Colt?
ReplyDeleteVery smart I bet you are very proud of yourself for that one. You are right I meant an, thanks for that edit I feel so much better, it also means you're reading what I've said and by replying it means you want to keep my thoughts alive. Thanks for that it's so nice to hear.
ReplyDeleteOh dear.
ReplyDeleteHold the words, Mildred, you're stuffing my mouth full of them.
You weren't just sharing yours and not attacking mine, you were saying that you know better than me and that I can't feel the way I do because you like what's going on. Didn't take my happy pills, no I'm just tired of people like you thinking they can be a jerk but not taking what they get back for it. Yes you pissed me off because you said that I couldn't have my opinion of the plot being underdeveloped because we can't draw conclusions with out all the facts. Well why is this thread even there then? I mean isn't this all about what we "think" will happen next. I THINK they are trying to kill the show, I THINK this year is boring, and I THINK it's sad and heartbreaking to take away the thing that got the show to this point, so yeah, instead of you saying you disagreed and going from there you made sure to put in the dug about my feelings and I take offense to that and retorted.
ReplyDeleteThere was never a Nan Attack!
ReplyDeleteOh I see so you saying that I need to be calmer, well actually you typed "healthier" and that me thinking what I do now is too early and not right is not attacking that's good to know. You're last paragraph was nan attack wether you want to admit it or not and another thing, I'm not allowed to say what other's have said because you don't like to hear it again, well then don't read it.
ReplyDeleteWhoa. Forgot your happy pills today?
ReplyDeleteI wasn't attacking, or demeaning your opinion. I clearly said that nobody's opinion on if the mystery works or not matters, as it hasn't unfolded yet, but that we can have our opinions on how it's actually unfolding. When I said 'redundant,' I meant that I've heard the same thing from several people.
There's no need to go on the defense and insult me, just because I dared challenge your opinion. I didn't once do that to you. I was merely responding to your opinions with my own. Shoot me if that's a crime on a public forum.
As for the way you were taking about The Vampire Diaries and how "teenie boppers" love it, and then saying you're "not attacking any certain age frame or making fun of what people like to watch," it's just like walking up to someone and saying "I think you're morbidly obese but I'm not calling you fat." I responded with how I thought it was demeaning and annoying. That's all.
I also don't NEED to understand anything about how you view the show. I've already seen that. And please don't tell me what I am and what I'm not thinking. I know this show, I don't need you to tell me what it's about with your long un-paragraphed essay.
You had an opinion, I had an opinion. That's it. No need to have a big drama about it.
Wanted to put in paragraphs so it was easier for people to read.
ReplyDeleteYou just contradicted yourself. First you say that you are not demeaning people and fine with others separate opinions and then you say that my opinion is wrong and that what I think of the way the show is going is not correct. You need to read again. I said that was how I feel, not you, nor anybody else. Perhaps I should simplify for you as you are not capable of reading other's thoughts without interjecting your own, I meant they seem to heading for a younger crowd instead of pulling everyone in and this is what I've seen before with many shows that have been killed..
You read what wasn't there, and further more I never attacked anybody simply gave my opinion so don't attach me. I can't help it if your too self absorbed to read what I wrote as my opinion and not take it as a dig. And if you were a real fan, you'd have watched previous seasons and seen Sam's gotten a lot less play over those as well, since season 3 generally, but I was ok with it because the bond that holds the show together was still there now we don't have that to hold onto. Let me guess, just a guess here but your a Dean fan aren't you? No no you don't have to tell me I'm right I can tell. You are a one sided individual and that's fine, but don't be a jerk and placate others for how they feel. Share your opinion but don't attack others for their's. Sad that you can't take others comment's and add to them with agreement or dismissal rather than feel as you are the center of the world and being personally attacked. And further more I'm not much past you in age. As I said I pay no mind to others differing in opinion but I ask that they be respectful.
If you don't agree then state it that way but don't attack people because they don't share your beliefs. The last thing you said was a clear dig to me.
"to NOT demean people's watching habits" and "your opinion is redundant" Do you know what redundant means? It means duplicated or over and over but how does that play into your retort? How is me not liking what they've done with Sam or the show this year duplicated? Have you seen me post any other time other than this link stating that, NO! People who insult and are snarky are people who have nothing better to do. How is it wrong for me to not be happy with this season? How is it that I have to wait until the end to share my thoughts of what's going on thus far? What am I supposed to do wait like you for the show to be canceled and then say it sucks? When I said that I'm not the only person who feels disapointed and let down it wasn't me putting words in others mouths its what's posted all over.
Both Dean and Sam fans feel this is the wrong direction. Take a look it's not a lie. What you need to understand is that SN is my favorite show and for it to be torn apart is heartbreaking. Yes I agree there has to be change but what you are not thinking about is that the whole show is based on the brother's tight family bound. Yes it should change but not be destroyed. That is not fare to the fans and it's not fare to the story. I like the thought of the overlaying mystery but nothing has been developed like past seasons. We get a lot of Lisa and Ben but nothing on Sam and Dean other than animosity. Again it leads me to pull from experience and it looks an awful lot like they've just given up on the show.
Im thinking this is the last season no matter what and it was always planned that way. I read an interview with Jensen and Jarod and they had said if the show wanted to last season could've been the end b/c they had rounded it up but if now it would only be one more season. The reasoning being b/c the boys were only signed on for 6 seasons and they didn't see picking up more seasons b/c the show could be wrapped up in that last season.
ReplyDeleteI'm leaning toward, sam being possessed or something by Alpha. All you need to explain it is either one of the scenes that show sam's reaction when the vamp is turning dean. he waits, and then smiles a little before he moves. He waits to long and the smile just cuts it, something is wrong, sam wouldn't do that. Also, the writers themselves are telling us this, as if it isn't clear the first time around they show the clip of him waiting and smiling as dean is getting turned twice, and the second time, even closer up. so... i stick with my theory.
ReplyDeleteI think Sam is part Demon and always has been. I think he is Yellows eyes kid and that was part of the deal that the mothers made to save they're family. Not truly know exactly what they were agree with. Hence then yellow eyes coming back to feed blood to them and the drinking of the demon blood when he's older. If he doesn't drink the demon blood it keeps the demon part dormant but when he's drinking demon blood it makes the demon side stronger. Putting a budding demon in a hunters family makes that person strong but it also protects him from being taken by the demons. Thats why the demons got rid of those close to him but could never get rid of dean thats why Ruby entered. He became his demon self then with out knowing it. When Ruby was gone they were able to bring sam back. But after being away from dean who knew him best the demon self was able to surface again with out some one questioning it until now. Just my theory
ReplyDeleteThe whole show's plot is suppose to revolve around sam and the evils plans for him if you think about it. We didn't know about it until season 3 but if you break down each season you see it. Season one Mom and Jess were killed to get closer to sam. Season 2 Part of John's deal was for his death and that was so he would be out of the way to protect sam. Season 3 the whole ruby turning sam. Season 4 the whole demon blood thing and then Season 5 sam being the devils vessel. Now we have Season 6 where there's something wrong with him. So Sam was just made for evil in the end and to aid in the demons to take over. Personally I hope by the end of the series they can save him but we will see.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that this season is unlike any other we're used to.
ReplyDeleteAnd I think that's a GOOD thing.
A show gets very bland and boring if it doesn't evolve and, while some people may not like the direction it's going, we don't know the endgame. It could just be that this season will bring the brothers closer together than they've ever been before... and God knows, after the past couple of seasons, they need it. Just because it looks like the season is heading down one path, doesn't mean it's actually gonna reach that destination. Could be lots of crossroads.
Also, there's a mystery going on revolving around Sam. So, of course, we're not seeing much of him at the moment. That's OKAY with me, because it means we get to spend some time with Dean and the other characters, before that big storyline comes into play. Do I miss the brotherly banter? Sure. But I have faith it'll get back there. And, hopefully, it'll be even better than before.
You may say the mystery isn't well thought out... but until you actually know the result, your opinion is redundant. Nobody knows the outcome yet, so we can't judge the mystery as a whole. What we can judge is how we're moving along, and I've been pretty happy with the episodes and characterizations so far (albeit, I wasn't too impressed with the season premiere).
And just for your information, I'm 25 and casually watch The Vampire Diaries. I find it much less irritating to NOT demean people's watching habits, just because your personal tastes are different.
Lastly, if a TV show makes you sick, distraught, disappointed, and drained... I would seriously think about just switching off. I can't imagine that's healthy.
Good point. I hope you're right.
ReplyDelete'Female friendly' sounds almost as terrifying as 'family friendly'. *SHUDDER* I live in the UK and as far as I can tell it hasn't aired Nikita yet, so I have no idea what the show is about.
ReplyDeleteMaybe she'll just change her shoes a lot, cry, and go out to brunch with her gal pals *PUKE*. An insult to womanhood!
Whoa! Don't want to dis your post but I think you're being a bit harsh. Sam has made stupid, stupid, selfish mistakes, but I believe he has always cared about Dean. You're right, Dean has always sacrificed everything for Sam, but I don't see Sam as being deliberately self-serving or cold - not until this season anyway. And he came up with the plan to say yes to Lucifer, knowing he'd end up trapped in the cage with him - and he went through with it. Yes it was touch and go there for a while, but I don't believe that was through any lack of will on Sam's part. He desperately wanted to make amends for what he'd done. And he achieved it.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to believe it's not too late for Sam and Dean. And to be honest, Dean and Lisa were probably doomed from the start. I agree what Sam did to Dean was just plain nasty, but whether or not that was the 'real' Sam is something I want to find out before making a judgement.
I really, really hope you're wrong.
Totally in the same boat. I have no idea. I have changed my theories at least 15 times and I still have no clue. In all honesty, I expect every one of these theories to be wrong as well as the inevitable ones that pop up next week. Supernatural has a way of turning your brain inside out and still making sense. Not sure how they do it but it's one of the reasons I am hooked. Before last LFoT, I would have said that the whole Sam is different thing was a mess, but now I am excited to find out what happened. I hope it doesn't disappoint but I am enjoying (and hating) the ride they are sending us on.
ReplyDeleteLucifers brain but Sams body
ReplyDeleteand Sams brain is stuck in the box
I agree with this. Maybe being in Lucifer's cage with the whole Michael vs. Lucifer battle going on, did something to him. I think that it caused him so much pain that it basically "shattered" him if you will. So now, he has multiple personalities. One that truly cares about his brother and one that will do anything to be a good hunter. I also think that Grandpa Creepy is taking advantage of this second personality, using his desire to hunt to get the Alphas.
ReplyDeleteThat aside, I really want to know why all these Alphas are building up armies and who Grandpa Creepy is trying to get them for.
He's just showing his true colors. I think maybe some of his caring for other people has been stripped away, but honestly, Sam's always been self serving and cold towards other's suffering. If it came down to his interests or saving someone's life, his interests always won out, as demonstrated back in season 1. I never did expect him to callously sacrifice his brother like that. But he did callously try and murder Dean back in season 4, and not even near beating his brother to death in season 5 caused him to break free of Lucifer's control, while seeing Sam's own toy soldier did.
ReplyDeleteI think the brother relationship has been irrevocably broken. Probably not for Dean, because unlike Sam, Dean is loyal to the end. But for me, it has. After season 4 and season 5, and seeing everything Sam did to Dean being whitewashed away, while Dean sold his soul and went to Hell for him, while Dean stood by Sam through everything, while Dean apologized and APOLOGIZED for things that SAM did, I'm done. All I can hope for now is that Dean gets a clue, and gets far away from Sam. Blood doesn't mean being miserable. Lisa and Ben have been more of a family to Dean then Sam has been in years. Unfortunately, it looks like Dean's now lost them because of what Sam did to Dean.
Real brotherly love, there.
Seriously. It's like the show hasn't completely tanked, don't eff it up please. :)
ReplyDeleteI think that Hell burned away Sam's humanity.
ReplyDeleteI say the big bad shifter is holding him hostage and has one of his soldiers in a Sam suit - methinks a supernatural creatures war is brewing with vamps and shifters - thus why they are both building armies
ReplyDeleteI was too busy ranting in my previous comment to say this, but THANK YOU Dahne for posting this poll - it's so much fun!
ReplyDeleteHave to go with Soul-jacked for now. How could anyone who was brought up the way Sam and Dean were act like the human connection of hunting didn't matter? Even John made those connections with victims, but Sam seems to have completely lost any humanity. Dean's observation that the 'keep each other human' comes into play since Sam, back from the cage somehow, kept it secret from Dean for a year and only revealed himself when there was a direct threat to his brother. So, part of Sam acknowledges that Dean is necessary to him and the world, but another is willing to risk turning him to an undercover Vamp (knowing there was a workable cure) to help in his secret mission. I don't think this is 'stress' induced or any kind of coping mechanism. I think Sam made some kind of deal or conscious choice to lose whatever connected him to his humanity.
ReplyDeleteOkay so I've read all the comments here. I've 'liked' quite a number of them. I've participated in all the previous discussion theorising 'what's up with Sam?' And you know what?
ReplyDeleteI don't know what's up with Sam!!!
Any of these theories could be right. I'm leaning a little towards soul jacked, but then I also really like Dahne's theory about the Alphas, but then there could be a little hell hangover going on too.
That moment in LFoT where Sam just stood there and smirked was jawdropping. Scared the crap out of me. I've never been a 'Samgirl' or a 'Deangirl', I've been a 'Supernaturalgirl' but my heart sank to the pit of my stomach. I know we'll never get S1 Sam back (don't want him - he was too naive by far) but SAMMY what have they done to you???
Having said that, I'm loving this season. Why would we want to have everything served up to us this early in the season? The mere fact that there are so many plausible theories proves the writers are doing their job. While I hate Sam as he is now, the how, why and who will (hopefully) be worth waiting for. And Jared is doing an incredible job - it must be really difficult to be Sam and not Sam at the same time.
So, I haven't voted. Because no one theory fits. If I did vote I'd probably go for the Alpha theory since they seem so crucial to the mythology for the season. Or maybe as someone suggested earlier, Pigeon666 I think, a combination of demon blood, Grandpa Creepy and the Alpha.
I'm just confused, frustrated and abso-freakin'-lutely DYING to know what's going on. Roll on 'You Can't Handle the Truth' - at least we might get some decent clues as to what's happening, if not actual answers.
Of course, I would LOVE it if Luci wasn't gone forever. (But that's just me. I doubt the show's going there anymore.)
ReplyDeleteI having doubts that it's any just ONE thing. Personally, I'm fond of the whole "something to do with his soul (or lack thereof)" but I also think it could mixed with an effect from all the demon blood he had to take in in order to contain Lucifer. And the whole "he went to hell, so naturally, there'll be some effects from that stay" is in there.
ReplyDeleteMm... maybe he's drinking DB light. Less addictive but completely destroys all kind of emotions. ;D
ReplyDeleteI'm glad that Sam returned from hell changed. You are right that it would not have made sense if everything was the same. However, I do not want whatever is happening to be Sam's fault (or Dean's fault either for that matter - too much Dean guilt already). We have been down that road too often and eventually people get tired of making excuses for a character, even one they love. They have to resolve it in a way that makes us feel bad for Sam, to want to help him, or they will alienate a lot of people. At first I was annoyed by this turn in Sam, but after Friday's episode I am fully invested in the mystery. I want to know what could cause Sam to be so different that he would put his brother in harm's way. I agree that's good writing even if I don't like where it is taking me. I am glad that they have a multiarc story going because sticking to the monster of the week would get old very quickly. But I do think they need to be careful at how the progress after the last 2 seasons. Dean and Sam need to get their groove back by the end of the season or people will be right to complain.
ReplyDeleteAww, I wouldn't say that I like to be wait for it. They still got me. ;D And I'm sure a few others will continue watching as well.
ReplyDeleteI think Sam is missing his soul. It makes sense.
ReplyDeleteOMG No, then the season six finale would be Sam going into a church and there would be white light. THE END.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure, we will get more answers or hints next week. I mean, why would they bother with an episode about a truth goodess and not reveal a few truths? I don't care if Sam or Dean have a secre crush TV crush, I wanna know about Sam. ;D And I can't wait to find out what they will save for the midseason finale.
If difficult to know this, but I think Sam could be controled by an Alpha because that's not our real Sam
ReplyDeleteI know that's what is rocking my theory. Although I was thinking that he did it not to hurt Sam but to help him, you know because Sam came out of hell soo destroyed that he thought it would give the kid some peace.
ReplyDeleteI know. Maybe is your friend if you don't know what the heck the writers are up to. ;D
ReplyDeleteWonderful post jillyanne.
ReplyDeleteI have heard all kinds of theories here. I thought it would be fun to gather them all in one place. My current theory is that Sam is controlled by an Alpha. What's yours?
ReplyDeleteIf you don't want a 7th season and they do make one, the simple answer is: don't watch it. There seems to be a lot of fans who do want a 7th season. Maybe that could be Dahne's next poll - who wants a 7th season? Btw I would love a movie as well as a 7th season - that would be sooo fantastic! :)
ReplyDeleteI was just wondeing if it will turn into a type of competition between the two, 'who's hell was worse'. Will they keep trying to outdo each other with how bad there hell experience was Could be good with them both saying 'Mine was worse'.
ReplyDeleteI know we don't know how long Sam was down there for or what was done to him, but I hope they don't go down the whole I tortured people route. Dean has been there and done that, and in my opinion, but only mine, I think that cracking and torturing other people would be worse than being tortured yourself, although obviously I cannot really tell as I haven't experienced either,as there would be more guilt there, and although Dean was not the same when he came out of hell, he still had his humanity.
That's why I think it is something else, not his hell experiences that have turned Sam into what he is now, although I still think he has always been a bit selfish. He only came back into hunting after his girlfriend had died, and his idea of heaven was anywhere away from Dean and his dad, who tried their best to bring him up under difficult circumstances. I think that because he was so young when his mum died and it seems, from what we have seen, that Dean would let Sam have anything he wanted when he was a kid, he can sometimes appear to be a bit of a spoilt brat, again i think this comes from his upbringing, being the baby.
Many of these theories I did not think of before (post-hell stress syndrome or the alpha), but I do have a couple of theories of my own. I do not think it is Lucifer, simply because we have been told that Lucifer is gone and that story is officially over. But, I think a possible demon possession could be a possibility, but we don't see the dark eyes (remember Alistair coming to see Dean and then Sam appeared?), or could it be the Trickster? It would be a rude joke (if you can call it that), but it would be up the Trickster's alley after all. Besides, we have heard rumors that he is returning sometime. Also, remember when Sam showed no emotion to Dean being almost turned by the vampire or when Cas tried to get the info out that boy a couple of episodes back? Maybe he saw something in the cage that prevents him from having any painful emotions. He could be soul-less, too, which I think is one of the worse things that could be taken away from a person.
ReplyDeleteI just hope we find out some news soon. I am quite concerned about Sam, but I know that Dean, Bobby and Cas will do whatever they can to try and cure him or help him at least. This should be a good ratings booster for the show and the network. Looking forward to it on Friday!
I think it is Gabriel (the Trickster) posing as Sam for his own agenda. That smirk was
ReplyDeletereminiscent of Gabriel's sly smiles.
I like Lisa and the softer side we've seen of Dean but honestly I want to see the old boys back, funnier than ever.
ReplyDeleteI think Samuel is more devious than we think and is putting on a front for Dean. Maybe he's a vessel for something dark from Hell.
ReplyDeleteInteresting theory but wouldn't Samuel know why Sam is so different? Or do you think Samuel is even more devious than we all think and he knows exactly what happened to Sam since he made the deal?
ReplyDeleteI think next week's episode will be very interesting concerning Dean and Lisa's storyline. After the vampire episode, Lisa is either cuting Dean loose because he attacked Ben or (hopefully) only asks for a break from him and we will see her again later in the season.
ReplyDeleteInteresting theory but wouldn't Samuel know why Sam is so different? Or do you think Samuel is even more devious than we all think and he knows exactly what happened to Sam since he made the deal?
ReplyDeleteA wonderful gross explaination, fitting for Supernatural. I'm looking forward to the reveal when they show a realistic bloody brain in a box. *shudder*
ReplyDeleteYes, certainly possible but then the cage has to be MUCH MUCH worse than normal hell since Sam was not very long caught in it. I wonder if they go with the hell explaination how they will fix him again. That's the advantage of the soul thing, if it's missing, they just have to get it back somehow. Difficult but not impossible. But changing Sam back from his hell experience would very difficult.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I'm wrong but doesn't a shapeshifter's skin burn if you cut it with a silver knife? I thought that was the point of Sam cutting himself and drinking holy water in Exile on Main St. Or do you think shapeshifter Sam is just more powerful than your usual shapeshifter and is immune to silver?
ReplyDeleteI don't think they will bring him back either, it opens to many problems for the show. But hey if you miss Mark, you can always start watching 'Being Human' - the US version in January on Syfy.
ReplyDeleteAfter ditching all my old theories after watching Live Free Or Twihard, I'm just going safe and saying that Sam's soul is jacked up because, I really don't want to see Lucifer again. It was interesting when he was there but his story-line is finished. The end. No more Lucifer.
ReplyDeleteSo he is hardened and mean to the point where he would risk Dean's life even though the past 5 seasons have been built on their relationship. You know what, I take that back. I would like to see Lucifer again. At least then we know Sam isn't willingly doing it.
It's certainly more than just his soul missing. I mean the writers have to connect 'Sam's behavior' to his resurrection, explain his experiences in the cage , differentiate it from Samuel's resurrection, have a reason for his resurrection, connect it somehow with the alpha plotline and maybe find a threat to the whole heaven/hell civil war topic. It's refreshingly complex this season. :D
ReplyDeleteWhat do you guys think will happen with Dean? I miss the old fun-loving guy, but don't know how they will bring him back from the deep feelings he has for Lisa and Ben. Maybe Lisa will have an affair and destroy their relationship or she will get turned by something like Bobby's wife did and Dean will take in Ben to keep him safe and away from her. Thoughts?
ReplyDeleteI believe Sam's soul was taken from him in a deal between Samuel and whoever is on the other end of the phone (possibly Crowley?) in order to bring him back from Hell to hunt down the alpha in a power play for Hell. I believe the true Sam is in their screaming to get out. I think Dean will figure this out and fight to retrieve Sam's soul. Maybe there will be a very emotional moment between the brothers that will bring the real Sam back. I hope the flood gates open and our beloved Sam will pour out what has happened to him since the season 5 finale. I only hope we will get the old Sam back soon.
ReplyDeleteGrandpa Campbell seems to know almost too many arcane things and secrets, something's definitely wrong with him... Maybe his mysterious employer has something to do with it...
ReplyDeleteThen I wonder, how badly did it screw him up, and more importantly, can it be undone?
ReplyDeleteI am not so sure about the "not-so-long stay" in Hell. Time in hell is different. Maybe much more so in the cage? For all we know, he could´ve been down there for 100 year (ok, I go overbord here).
ReplyDeleteAnd let´s say it is so... 100 years trapped in a cage with the EVIL. It has to screw you up. Also If I think back to the first episode. Sam didn´t want to talk about hell. Because he can enjoy a beer know? No, don´t belive that. Also there was a hint in an interview with the actors, where Jared told, that Sam´s time in hell was much worse. I think his stay in hell has definitley something to do with it. Shattered soul, missing soul, no soul at all...choices, choices.
Thank you! I´m thinking exactly the same thing, but was to nervous to put it in here. But I agree completely. I am also not in my teens anymore :)
ReplyDeleteI like both, Dean and Sam, but you are right. To keep it interesting, they had to do something new with Sam (and Dean). Of course my heart breaks to see Sam the was he is now. But isn´t that always the case with Sam? And where would all the brotherly love - which I konw will be back sometime this season - come from, if not from tragic events? Apple pie live? Since when has that been Supernatural? The brother argued and made up since season 1. It´s not going to change. I have faith in Sera. And Eric is still there. So if he is Ok with this storyline, than it´s going to be a great plot. So I´d say, donk´t condemn the show (and Sam) before we know what´s really going on. And look...the mystery keeps us all on edge and talking about the show...
(Sorry for my writing. If you find any mistakes don´t shoot me, english is not my native language)
You also asked why does the CW think we'd be interested in Gossip Girl? Give me a break. I rent Vampire Diaries to watch it, but I own everything Supernatural. I have no interest whatsoever in Gossip Girl. I have never liked that kind of story or television. Give me Supernatural, not tripe.
ReplyDeleteI am probably closest to soul jacked up. My theory is that Sam's soul is being held captive. At times, he's almost Sam, and suddenly changes. In Twilight, he was concerned and running to help Dean. Suddenly, he stops and watches in fascination with a smirk on his face as his "brother" is turned. Dean saw him. Something is so wrong. Jensen had said he'd gone to Sera and asked for the return of Sam's soul. I don't think Sam has one right now. It's possible it was left behind when he was thrown out of the cage. I still have a feeling it's being held captive and Sam is fulfilling an agenda.
ReplyDeleteI don't want a 7th season if they do they will KILL IT i mean 6 is enough , maby a movie x
ReplyDeleteur right on the dot , some people r so thick lol . I mean when he jumped in hell he was still Lucifer ,so i agree with u . xxxxxxx
ReplyDeleteDEFO possessed by Lucifer as Crowley is the king of hell so where is Lucifer walking amongst us and stole Sam's body . As when Sam/Lucifer jumped in hell he was still Lucifer .
ReplyDeleteI just realised I missed a line out :'D at the "he smiled when Dean got Vamped" I meant to add he did this beacuse he knew he could use him to get to the Alpha, or at least try and knew there was a cure, he also knew that Dean is quite strong and would resist the urge to feed as well as Dean being an awesome hunter him self, hence all the vamps he killed :)
ReplyDeleteI like your comment about him being his own species
Already suggested he's an alpha :P
ReplyDeleteThough I don't think alpha hunter as they're just humans who hunt. I think he's changed enough to be his own species, and hence as he's the first, the alpha
Hmmm, Maybe Sam IS an Alpha hunter now, all things (human, monster etc) start from that very first one. In the promo for next week Sam says that He's the best he's ever been (at being a hunter), you then see him do a super human jump over that fence! He smiled when Dean got vamped because I presume that he still does have some Sam in him but maybe he looked back on the past and thought right, I'm gonna be the best damn hunter there is!....Or I am probably completely wrong but in the promo I think we find out what is up with him, especially as Dean punches him in the face!! :(he thought it would get him close to the Alpha Vampire and he clearly knew there was a cure!
ReplyDeleteDidn't catch the weather vane - too busy wondering wtf was going on - I'll have to go back and take a look. So. Death huh? He is supposed to turn up this season so it would make sense. hmmm..... need to think about this some more.
ReplyDeleteYou know I wasn't going to do any more theorising but this is interesting. You think heaven is behind the monster armies? Heaven as in....? Balthazar? Raphael? Gabriel? (I thought Luci killed Gabriel but there's been some speculation that he's out there somewhere) Hey if Death was raising an army of various monsters what is his end game? Getting the monsters to wipe out humanity? Or to wipe out each other? Or to fight something/one else?
Okay I'm going to think some more about this.
Oh and please note I haven't whined in this post, but that doesn't mean I've given it up or anything ;)
totally with you there, we need some Mark Pellegrino action on the show again, he really stole the show back in season 5.
ReplyDeletemy theory is that Sam's soul has been Soul knapped or he bartered it for undetermined reasons or judging by the vision that vamp dean was inflicted with (twins, split embryo, chapel etc.) Sam is duel Sam or split Sam or some kind of fractured psyche.( oh show, how you like to forshadow) And Heaven is Behind the monster armies.
ReplyDeleteAlso Balthazar and his gathering Souls hobby that he has, screams forshadowing and the title card always clues us in to the overall plot of the season (Glass shattering into fragments, could be fractured soul/psyche)
Also on an unrelated note, anyone catch the WEATHER VANE in vamp dean's vision
Weather vane aka father time = DEATH :)
One thing I"m wondering is if "this Sam" didn't keep Dean at arms length because Dean knew the "real Sam" to well and he'd have picked up on the differences months ago. Maybe that's why Sam never went to Dean when he was supposedly sprung from hell, because whatever has it's hooks in him knew Dean would find out and just got unlucky enough to be around the Campbells when Dean got Jiin poisoned.
ReplyDeletePlease don't let it be Sammy's fault. Please don't let it be Sammy's fault. Where's that freaking wishing well when you need it? With the exception of Bobby not dying, this is my most fervent wish of the season. We've been through this subplot enough and it does not get better with age.
ReplyDeletemy theory is that Sam's soul has been Soul knapped or he bartered it for undetermined reasons or judging by the vision that vamp dean was inflicted with (twins, split embryo, chapel etc.) Sam is duel Sam or split Sam or some kind of fractured psyche.( oh show, how you like to forshadow)
ReplyDeleteYeah, but she needs to come back when the shows done and they are ready for the happy ending. :)
ReplyDeleteI'm with you word for word.!!
ReplyDeleteYes that's why I love the character so much, I miss that side of Sam too. And although Jared can play either part I think the screen is brighter when he plays the Sam of the past instead of the Sam of present.
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