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Arrow / The Flash - Small Chronology Issue Revealed

31 Mar 2015

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Marc Guggenheim's Tumblr

The Flash episode 1.18 airs April 14th.
Arrow episode 3.18 airs April 1st.
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94 comments:

  1. omabin31 March 2015 at 12:33

    Why did the CW mess up with this in the first place? I don't get it.

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  2. Spindae231 March 2015 at 12:35

    Cause they have no clue what they are doing! I really don't think that the extra week lead in iZombie got out of this is really worth the mess.

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  3. Pablo Troncoso31 March 2015 at 12:38

    I don't know either; they could've premiered Izombie a week earlier and brought back The Flash eairly too

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  4. Spindae231 March 2015 at 12:39

    Or just not air Nanda Parbat during February.

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  5. "A"31 March 2015 at 12:40

    I think it was done on purpose so both the Arrow and The Flash could have their own final week in the spot light without the other having their final as well.

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  6. Pablo Troncoso31 March 2015 at 12:40

    There were plenty of alternatives to avoid chronological mistakes, yet The CW didn't make any moves.


    Seriously, I don't understand what the people in charge of schedules are doing, they do so many wrong things. The CW usually gets scheduling right, but this scheduling is beyond me

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  7. Spindae231 March 2015 at 12:43

    Just awful! This really annoys me. Especially with the Joe-Quentin crossover. That will be quite messy as well.

    They are just pissing their viewers of! I hope they will find some solution for this to seem even remotely logical.

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  8. Spindae231 March 2015 at 12:45

    The issues are the upcoming crossovers. They could've inserted breaks after them giving them those special finale weeks.

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  9. omabin31 March 2015 at 12:46

    I am pretty sure they were avoiding premiering iZombie against the voice so that wouldn't have worked I think. I think they aired that extra Arrow to support the 100 and not leave it sans lead-in for 3 straight episodes (even though I think a two hour finale would have worked better). But they should not be airing Arrow this week then. Then everything would be in sync. The way they are doing it is very weird:
    First week of April: The Flash 1x17, Arrow 3x18
    Second week of April: The Flash 1x18, No Arrow
    Third week of April: No Flash, Arrow 3x19
    Forth week of April: The Flash 1x19, Arrow 3x10
    Fifth week of April: The Flash 1x20, Arrow 3x21
    First week of May: The Flash 1x21, Arrow 3x32
    Second week of May: The Flash 1x22, Arrow 3x23
    Third week of May: The Flash 1x23, No Arrow

    I think they should have brought both shows back one week later (to avoid St. Patrick's Day Tuesday and Empire finale night Wednesday) and done this instead:
    First week of April: The Flash 1x16, Arrow 3x17
    Second week of April: The Flash 1x17, No Arrow
    Third week of April: The Flash 1x18, Arrow 3x18
    Forth week of April: The Flash 1x19, Arrow 3x19
    Fifth week of April: The Flash 1x20, Arrow 3x20
    First week of May: The Flash 1x21, Arrow 3x31
    Second week of May: The Flash 1x22, Arrow 3x32
    Third week of May: The Flash 1x23, Arrow 3x23

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  10. REVENGEaddict31 March 2015 at 12:47

    Ouch @ CW that is messed up! Now what? !

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  11. Marc31 March 2015 at 12:50

    So we have to delay this weeks Arrow for a week? Am I right?

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  12. omabin31 March 2015 at 12:52

    Looks like that is what I will be doing, yes. I am very picky with these things, I hate to watch stuff out of order.

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  13. omabin31 March 2015 at 12:53

    I think Nanda Parbat was supposed to be the cliffhanger episode before the relatively long break, so I wouldn't change that part. I've published my proposed solution in my comment above to Pablo Troncoso.

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  14. Spindae231 March 2015 at 12:59

    I saw it, they could still fix thing even remotely if they wouldn't put Flash on a break next week.
    Yes Nanda Parbat just like Out of Time were supposed to be the cliffhanger eps, but in "favor" of iZombie they moved Out of Time to after the break.
    I commented in the Asia promo section that they possibly cut the eps a bit different together and that last week instead of the Raylicity Let's go to CC scene we got the mayor shooting scene. So it would look a bit fitting. But I have no clue how they're gonna fix the Lance-Quentin crossover.

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  15. "A"31 March 2015 at 13:01

    http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/02/cw-episode-titles-air-dates-various.html
    There is a few errors.
    In week two The Flash and Arrow are both repeats
    In week three The Flash 1x18, Arrow 3x19

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  16. omabin31 March 2015 at 13:02

    I didn't know that Out of Time was meant to be cliffanger episode, though it makes sense. I don't think they are helping out iZombie this way though because next week the voice is two hours and they will ask izombie to air sans flash for the first time the same time they ask it to go up against the voice for the first time, which seems like a horrible combination.

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  17. Spindae231 March 2015 at 13:03

    This is the solution he proposed.

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  18. Spindae231 March 2015 at 13:04

    Ohh! Next week the live play offs. Stupid to put iZombie alone next week. Especially with Flash having that extra week. That will be a rough fall for iZombie. But who knows maybe it will prove more resistant than thought.

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  19. omabin31 March 2015 at 13:04

    My tv guide site is showing something different. Then I guess the CW is changing their minds about this.

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  20. Babar Suhail31 March 2015 at 13:06

    This was bound to happen. People can't expect the CW to keep both shows in sync.

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  21. "A"31 March 2015 at 13:07

    I'm commenting on the first set of dates when the episodes are suppose to be airing and some are wrong.

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  22. Koky31 March 2015 at 13:14

    For the record even if you watch them in order the episodes won't make sense because 3x18 picks up right after 3x17 so there's no way Flash 1x18 took place between them.

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  23. Compass_131 March 2015 at 13:17

    Seriously The CW?
    This could've been easily solved if they didn't air Arrow against Empire two weeks ago.

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  24. Spindae231 March 2015 at 13:21

    He/She is right cause of the prime time listings. No eps next week while on the 14 and 15 they both air.
    Starting from Thursday Flash airs repeats, 1x13 and 14 on Thursday, 1x15 on Tuesday 7th and 16 and 17 on the following Thursday 9th and new eps Tuesday 14.

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  25. Bradley Adams31 March 2015 at 13:24

    So Flash 118 also takes place before Arrow 317, surely, since 318 is gonna pick up where 317 left off. So this is gonna get really confusing. Damn CW.

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  26. "A"31 March 2015 at 13:24

    So .... in the bigger picture this sadly can' be fixed as next week both shows are repeats and then from here to the end of the season it's back to back episodes for both shows until the end of the season.
    Also it's not this one episode that will be out of order but all the remaining episodes of The Flash will be one week behind Arrow.

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  27. "A"31 March 2015 at 13:28

    Whose right ? Me ?
    It's 'He' by the way.

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  28. Spindae231 March 2015 at 13:30

    Yeah U. Nice to know your a He. ^_^

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  29. Mr. Edmodo31 March 2015 at 13:31

    These 2 shows need to stand on their own.

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  30. omabin31 March 2015 at 13:39

    It wasn't hard at all to do... Most of us can come up with schedules that allow for that to happen, so I don't think it is an unrealistic expectation to believe the CW would be able to do it as well.

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  31. omabin31 March 2015 at 13:40

    I didn't know. But then how does Marc's response make sense? He says Arrow 1x18 takes place after Flash 1x18.

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  32. omabin31 March 2015 at 13:41

    The listings website I use lists something else which leads me to believe the CW announced an original plan that was later changed. But I believe you.

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  33. omabin31 March 2015 at 13:41

    Yeah, the listings website I use lists something else which leads me to
    believe the CW announced an original plan that was later changed. But I
    believe you this is the way it is going to go.

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  34. Sparky31 March 2015 at 13:44

    My newest theory is 1x18 takes place after 3x16.

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  35. O D A31 March 2015 at 13:45

    The more you think about it the more messier it becomes. So just accept that between Palmer saying sorry to Felicity at Palmer technologies and Felicity giving a kiss to Oliver at the foundry there is a 2 to 3 day gap where Ray and Felicity went to CC to work out the weakness of the ATOM suit. Nothing else makes sense.

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  36. O D A31 March 2015 at 13:45

    Then the suit is not broken and Ray Palmer does not know its weakness to be fixed.

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  37. omabin31 March 2015 at 13:46

    Such a mess

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  38. Sparky31 March 2015 at 13:46

    The suit could only fly the last time we saw it right? It didnt have the laser thingies. Those were acquired during the CC visit.

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  39. Spindae231 March 2015 at 13:49

    U can look it up here on the site, if you got some spare time ;-)

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  40. O D A31 March 2015 at 13:54

    Oh that make sense. But the problem here is Ray is flying in the suit to CC. But Felicity was surprised Ray got the suit to be operational in ep. 17.

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  41. omabin31 March 2015 at 13:55

    I believe you, it is fine ;)

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  42. Sparky31 March 2015 at 13:59

    I think she said "You got the suit working". It could mean the lasers.

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  43. O D A31 March 2015 at 14:00

    Also was it stated two weeks have passed since 3x16? It took them two weeks to figure out the killings was done by Arrow?

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  44. Sparky31 March 2015 at 14:01

    I think Ray said it to Oliver in 3x17 that they saw each other twice in as many weeks.

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  45. Canadagraphs31 March 2015 at 14:02

    You know, when everyone criticized these shows ending up on the CW instead of a real station, I don't think even the most critical writer or blogger envisioned that the network would screw up the timeline of the shows chronology in less than 1 season.
    This is a massive screw up. Sure wonder who at the CW will be made the scapegoat for this. Someones gonna get fired for such a mess up.
    If this was even a ONE WEEK screw up, I would expect someone to lose their job for this... but 2 weeks? It makes no sense. None AT ALL. They haven't had any "unexpected scheduling problems" that I know of.... so they knew the schedule at the start of the season. This is gross incompetence.

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  46. Joy Haldar31 March 2015 at 14:02

    This is getting way too confusing for me now!

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  47. O D A31 March 2015 at 14:03

    So even if 1x18 was aired after 3x17 the show timeline would still be screwed.

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  48. Sparky31 March 2015 at 14:04

    Yes remember how 3x17 ended with the attack on the mayor? And 3x18 starts where 3x17 left off.

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  49. Canadagraphs31 March 2015 at 14:05

    Will never happen.
    It will only get more complicated next year with the Atom/Captain Cold etc spin off in the mix as well.
    I'm sure the CW will handle 3 shows that overlap muuuuuuch better than two (sarcasm).
    Too bad these shows didn't end up on a real network.

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  50. O D A31 March 2015 at 14:06

    Ugh this is so annoying.

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  51. Koky31 March 2015 at 14:06

    It doesn't make any sense AT ALL. We've been trying to make sense of of this for hours but it's not working.

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  52. O D A31 March 2015 at 14:08

    He said "5 months we never saw each other now we have seen each other twice in as many weeks". Doesn't that mean they have met twice recently? Does than mean two weeks? Anyway I will take it. Its the least complicated explanation.

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  53. O D A31 March 2015 at 14:09

    The crossover conceptually on paper itself is a failure in timelines. Just look at Flash episode as an independent side story. That will be better.

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  54. Sparky31 March 2015 at 14:10

    Yes first one being the time when Oliver visited Felicity in 3x16.

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  55. Sparky31 March 2015 at 14:11

    Ray could fly his suit in 3x15 though. And Felicity was very vague behind the meaning so it could mean you got the lasers to work.

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  56. gibbeynator31 March 2015 at 14:12

    When the only viable answer is "just don't air the episode at all", someone's messed up big time.

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  57. omabin31 March 2015 at 14:18

    If half of the internet is correct, the third show will take place in an alternate reality so it shouldn't be as serious when they aren't in sync (even if I expect crossovers to still happen when someone crosses over)

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  58. RLRaGE31 March 2015 at 14:19

    You would think that 2 of the CW highest rated show would get the sync order in line,

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  59. angelicafun31 March 2015 at 14:41

    I think they wanted to make it look like the Ray/Oliver show-off happened in 3x17 then Ray and Felicity went to CC in 1x18 and the mayor attack happened after the events of 1x18 so that 3x18 would immediately pick it up from there, but then with the scheduling, it all got messed up. Because I'm pretty sure Felicity was completely unaware of the suit working then after they made up, they'll go to CC.

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  60. O D A31 March 2015 at 15:09

    But Felicity is in the same dress + jacket in the scene where her and Felicity make up and the meeting in Mayors office. They must have already shot these episodes before the scheduling mess up happened wouldn't they? Even if not this is a mess that could not be solved by airing 1x18 after 3x17. Its still a mess.

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  61. "A"31 March 2015 at 15:22

    Off Topic:

    When do you think we will end up seeing The Atom from the comics ? In the Spin-off ? Never ?

    ( will he end up having a accident at S.T.A.R Labs )

    Atom's Comic Abilities: to shrink and grow his body and other objects to varying degrees (including the subatomic level) while manipulating his weight to his advantage.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

    The Atom possesses the power to alter his size down to the subatomic level while retaining his natural strength level. This is accomplished by using the remnants of a white-dwarf star made into a belt buckle worn with his costume. Originally, he had to manipulate his abilities via the belt and later with hand movements before eventually syncing with his brainwaves itself

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  62. angelicafun31 March 2015 at 15:23

    Well, i guess we can just say that Barry running backwards in time messed up the space/time continuum to the point that nothing makes sense.
    The only problem is that it's highly likely that Ray and Felicity will break up in 3x18, but they'll still be dating on 1x18.

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  63. angelicafun31 March 2015 at 15:24

    I think he'll devise the utility belt either later on Arrow or on his spin-off because his character right now makes no sense. They did mention that dwarf star on Arrow, I think?

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  64. Ron31 March 2015 at 16:31

    i dont watch The Flash. It wont be a problem for me :D

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  65. Spindae231 March 2015 at 17:02

    Same here Joy. Especially when I think of the Joe-Quentin crossover. This is a huge mix up, but I believe they will find a way to even remotely fix it.

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  66. AnnoDomini31 March 2015 at 17:19

    I don't get it. So does that meant Flash 3x18 is before Arrow 3x17 too?

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  67. Shannon31 March 2015 at 17:21

    Well...there ya go. = /

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  68. Shannon31 March 2015 at 17:47

    I'm going with that you said.

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  69. Shannon31 March 2015 at 17:52

    They will still be dating in 1x18 b/c there's the date they go on. But when they go back to SC, for 3x18, I guess that's when they break up.

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  70. O D A31 March 2015 at 18:42

    If Ray and Felicity break up in 3x18 and then they show them as a couple in flash 1x18 I will be so annoyed. I am predicting Ray and Felicity break up to happen in episode 3x19.

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  71. julio31 March 2015 at 19:24

    Can someone tell me what the issue is?? Why is it a big deal??

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  72. Sparky31 March 2015 at 20:21

    I think it maybe confusing for people who watch both shows.

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  73. Sparky31 March 2015 at 20:35

    Its between 3x16 and 3x17. Cisco made improvments for Atoms suit but Oliver already destroyed it. Guessing one of the reason Cisco comes to visit Starling city to lend a hand with the suit again.

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  74. AnnoDomini31 March 2015 at 20:43

    Exactly. I don't understand Marc's reply though.

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  75. Sparky31 March 2015 at 20:50

    I think people are confused because of the airdates and because Arrow 3x18 airs before Flash 1x18. But these episode would have still not made sense even if 3x18 and 1x18 aired on the same week. They did imply in earlier interviews that Flash is ahead of Arrow regarding the timeline and that after Arrow 3x18 they will become insync again.

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  76. AnnoDomini31 March 2015 at 20:51

    To me, I just think it would still make sense regardless. I mean, Ollie messed up Ray's suit so quickly it would make sense that Ray would need help with the suit.

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  77. Sparky31 March 2015 at 20:54

    But he will be in the hospital in 3x18. There was no time to get back to CC before the mayors attack. If they put Felicity in another dress they could have gotten away with it but she has the same one when she and Ray reconcile and then are in the mayors office.

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  78. Luke Farmer31 March 2015 at 21:14

    I don't really understand either.

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  79. julio31 March 2015 at 21:25

    Yeah well it seems like things are going to get confusing apparently lol.

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  80. ohlisa31 March 2015 at 21:36

    I think there's probably going to be something in the Flash timeline with the crossover that's off with regards to the Arrow timeline. Like, if Felicity and Ray break up in 3x18, it'll be weird if they show up on The Flash as bf/gf after that happens.


    Or maybe something happens at the end of 3x19 that would make it odd for Felicity and Ray to leave town to go visit Barry. Maybe there's something with the suit that Ray went to get fixed in the Flash ep that will be working in 3x18 of Arrow (meaning it's fixed before he goes to get it fixed). But I'm not sure how The Flash episode was originally supposed to fit in, because Felicity and Ray were supposed to go to Central City in 1x18, which would be in between 3x17 and 3x18, but it looks like 3x17 picks up where 3x18 left off, so it seems a mess regardless.

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  81. Boris B31 March 2015 at 21:56

    That's how they messed up the pilot episode of Flash and S3 premiere of Arrow lol. I always said they should of Aired both shows on Wednesday when they premiered then move Flash to Tuesday that way ppl wouldn't be confused with their meeting lol

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  82. angelicafun31 March 2015 at 21:56

    That's exactly what I think. And in the episode description for 1x18 it says 'with her boyfriend' and I'm pretty sure they break up (yayyy!) in 3x18.

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  83. Shannon31 March 2015 at 23:22

    Eww, I don't use the B word. Especially when they themselves HAVEN'T USED IT! Ughh. I was really going by the 5 people outing they go on. But hey maybe he tries to use the B word when she introduces him to Team Flash, and in the back of her head she's like, ewww no, this is wrong. Thennn she breaks up with him when they go back? Lol That could work, I could see it. ButI won't get happy about it til it happens. Waiting for it is like waiting for water to boil in a pot. Smh it's taking forever.

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  84. AnnoDomini31 March 2015 at 23:44

    No, no, lol....I'm saying it makes sense for 3x18 Flash to be even after 3x18 Arrow.

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  85. Sparky1 April 2015 at 09:12

    I dont think there is a way it could be after. Since the manhunt on the Arrow will be open.

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  86. bbussey1 April 2015 at 17:47

    Why not just enjoy both shows and not fret about the network throwing the chronology off by a week? Everything will be in sync at the end of the season, and then the seasons of both shows can be evaluated in their entirety. You don't HAVE to watch both shows to follow the story on either show. While you certainly experience an enhancement to the storylines by following both shows, it's not mandatory. There have been chronological discrepancies throughout the entire season if you want to be a stickler, beginning with the premiere episodes of both shows in relation to that initial rooftop rendezvous. And if the stories truly were intertwined, there's absolutely no way Barry would have been left out of the loop when Oliver disappeared for two months.

    Is this really going to continue to be an ongoing thing next season when there will be four (and possibly five) loosely-intertwined shows across two (and possibly three) television networks sharing the same fictional universe, fretting about the very minor timeline inconsistencies? Because it goes without saying that there will be more, and that CBS and CW (and TNT) won't be closely coordinating storylines to make sure everything is in sync — particularly when two of the shows will feature characters that definitively can time travel and alter the timeline. So it's best to enjoy these (and future) DC shows on their own merits and stop fretting over issues that are irrelevant in the long run.

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  87. bbussey1 April 2015 at 17:48

    Julio, it isn't. It's just people being sticklers.

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  88. AnnoDomini1 April 2015 at 17:55

    But that wouldn't effect Central City any, or Ray.

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  89. Sparky1 April 2015 at 20:49

    It would if the episode ends with the foundry explosion lol. And Cisco coming to SC must have a reason.

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  90. ivan2 April 2015 at 00:29

    damn it i thought it was fixed but now it'll be confusing

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  91. julio2 April 2015 at 00:54

    Oh okay.

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  92. James2 April 2015 at 01:03

    This problem probably is caused by sports coverages by the afilliates. That's the only explanation I see being the reason why the network is unable to sync Arrow and Flash.

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  93. AnnoDomini2 April 2015 at 01:49

    What? That is news to me. The Foundry is destroyed?

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  94. SwimintheRain13 April 2015 at 20:11

    I think flash 1.18 should be after arrow 3.18 right is the only thing that makes sense in order for his suit to be working again this coming up episode

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