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POLL : What did you think of True Detective - Form and Void?

10 Mar 2014

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  1. Bearded Timbino10 March 2014 at 04:39

    Seriously one of the most intelligent, suspenseful, and amazing finales there has ever been.

    The acting was just top notch all around. If Matthew doesn't win an Emmy this year, I've lost all faith.

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  2. That was such an incredibly well done series I am very sad to see this season end!
    I cannot think of a series that was more well done honestly.



    True Detective was just brilliant writing combined with brilliant direction and brilliant performances - no gimmicks! Most series rely on twists to add suspense and cover up writing deficiencies, but TD just forged its story revealing detail after detail, level after level, until it was honed into one of the sharpest shows I have ever seen. Period.


    I predict multiple awards for this HBO masterpiece!

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  3. Don't mind me I am just overwhelmed by how amazing that was. 8 hours of pure perfection, of acting excellence. I am so delighted by the ending as I didn't think Marty and Rust would survive and they did and they got some kind of peace and it was beautiful and I just wish I knew where they went to next. Hopefully for a drink and some fun times because shit they deserved it.

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  4. Justin Baptista10 March 2014 at 10:43

    A satisfying conclusion to one of the best seasons of television I have had privilege to watch.

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  5. Michele Klinger10 March 2014 at 13:06

    the finale was done so well. I really had these depressing thoughts about what would actually happen especially to Marty and Rust, but I'm glad it ended on a somewhat happy note with them alive as friends and the killer taken out. It was such a suspenseful hour though and I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Matthew NEEDS to win an Emmy. I will be so mad if he doesn't

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  6. I say, Alright, Alright, Alright! Rust is Jesus!


    Really nicely done and it looks like LOU and I both were right, Lou got the sudo-happy ending with both characters surviving and I got the creepy super-weird magical realism ending!


    Such a great series! It ended in way where I feel excited to watch over and over again!

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  7. I really enjoyed it. I am actually glad that the ending didn't have any sudden, unexpected Twist such as "Rust/Marty is the killer", because viewers are almost Always expecting such obvious plot twists nowadays to the point that they are boring.
    It was the well written/acted/directed climax to a superb series.
    I only have one question: I din't really get why Rust said that most of what they saw was dark and therefore light was winning at the end....I know it was super late (here where I live) and I was super tired, but I didn't really get what he meant by it.

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  8. Re Rust, he is saying that in the beginning there was only darkness but that fact that lightness (the stars) exist at all means they are winning the battle. The sky and life may be mostly dark but a small amount of hope and lightness exists.


    You can read the full beautiful speech here

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/03/09/true_detective_on_hbo_rust_s_final_speech_about_how_the_light_s_winning.html

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  9. I know! I never expected my happy ending! I'm glad it went weird but not too weird like suddenly Errol was unkillable or a real actual monster - they tread the line perfectly. You will be excited to know that creator Nic Pizzolatto has says he is happy with the reaction to the weirdness in S1 so S2 will continue being strange.

    http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/true-detective-creator-nic-pizzolatto-looks-back-on-season-1/3

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  10. Is it weird that I did not find any of the series truly weird (in a supernatural sense)?


    To me it was all grounded in complete realism - bad men doing bad things. One in particular so disturbed and evil he takes his pleasure in driving his victims into madness. His acts so disturbing he reaches an almost boogeyman status among those in the know.


    Sure there was occultism and its associated rituals, but again, to me that was more myth and gossip than reality.


    The only real "weird" elements were associated with Rust who sees things. They are all from his first person perspective, all in his head. Surreal and symbolic as some of the visions were, they were inside Rust's mind. The inner workings of a broken man's mind as he works through the case.

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  11. ...and not to mention his past narc years and all the "input" =)

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  12. What Lou said, and it also referred to Marty earlier stating that it seemed to him that the darkness had way more territory up there (in the night sky).

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  13. I didn't say supernatural. I said magical realism.

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  14. I couldn't believe that they almost died. It was a fitting ending to a case that took 17 years to solve. I was especially intrigued by Cohle's description of the afterlife.

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  15. I am glad. It's something I think made the series unique to be borderline with stuff. Thanks for the link! :)

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  16. I understand Magical Realism, but I think to get to that point in True Detective a lot has to be read into the series by the viewer.

    The visions are easily explained by the mental trauma caused by drugs, PTSD, or any number of psychological conditions. I have a couple friends who were very into hallucinogens in their teens and now in their 40s they have cognitive and psychological issues not entirely dissimilar from Rust. Not as sever or as frequent, but if they are worn down or tired... well, I would hate to be inside their heads! XD

    Likewise with Errol..
    I did not get a demonic sense at all personally. The echoes to me were due to the design and acoustics of the ruins and once again, our perspective of hearing those voices through Rust's perspective.

    Errol possibly had multiple personalities (definitely other mental disorders) and more than that he had vocal issues from his severe throat and facial scarring. Putting on an affectation seemed to be a form of self-entertainment, denial, or maybe just a way to not hear his true voice. I would think every time he heard his own voice he was reliving whatever trauma caused those scars in his childhood. I would not want to hear that and be reminded either!

    Even the scene where Rust was glaring into space and seeing his "Jesus" reflection was less magical realism and more a man trying comprehend what he has been through and how it affects his life views. And again, we saw it through his perspective... the perspective of a man with psychological issues and an altered reality.

    For me personally, the entirety of the "weirdness" was inside of Rust's head. They deliberately let us see into his state of mind to set a tone for the series. For me, that tone was always internalized in Rust and never a part of the outside reality.

    Since none of the weirdness was outside of the one character I never had a sense of Magical Realism I guess... Maybe my understanding or interpretation of the phase is wrong though....

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  17. completely agree with everything you've said, its series like this that makes you understand the difference between normal shows and truly great shows like TD... no useless twists or prolong storylines, but builds the story piece by piece until this amazing finale...


    Matthew and Woody truly amazing actors

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  18. Perfect ending for a perfect show. Matthew must win an Emmy for his performance. It was truly amazing. Woody was also great! Both of them were the best choices for such complex characters. I will miss Marty and Rust :(


    True Detective is one of the greatest shows I've ever seen, with an amazing storyline, great writting, fantastic performances, EVERYTHING!

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  19. I agree there is a lot to be read by viewer, and it's left a bit for everyone to decide, but that again is a hallmark of most magical realism, because there are generalized explanations and/or mostly-realistic explanations one can come up with for certain things (as you gave great examples of), but in actuality very few of them are freely given or stated and the stylization presents things in a hyper-real way, not a realistic way...all the characters have a touch of strange or crazy and almost each episode has a misleading eerie quality (and the characters go to a non-normal place)


    Even what Lou was helping Cathy with, the conversation about the stars and "the dark and light" again allude to "a battle of good and evil", which in reality an existentialist, stark realist, or an atheist would say there is no such thing, because morality is often argued a false facade, except for perhaps survival of the fittest. The end ended with Rust actually believing in "something" (and so again it goes beyond the purview of realism and into the metaphysical) being able to "feel a connection" to all of the things he thought he forever lost.


    I guess it just depends if you believe in Rust, but I find it more than coincidence that his visions and emotions were often "spot on"....

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  20. I will chalk this one up to viewer perspective because I honestly had no sense of hyper-realism as I watched the series. None.


    Outside of seeing some scenes through Rust's perspective - one that the character himself acknowledges as hallucinations and neuroses caused by his past - I just never picked up any magical realism, metaphysical, or surrealism.


    There are a number of cases of systematic or ritual abuse that are not dissimilar from this. Powerful people in small towns who along with their close friends or inner circle taking advantage of their power. The case I linked last week is very similar with a sheriff and some religious/ cult overtones. I guess to me having that group of people all in one community or parish is not a big stretch at all. Plus I'm not sure thy were all i none community honestly. It seemed to be spread along the coastal parishes and not just in one.


    To me Rust's visions were nothing more than his mind processing the evidence he has been obsessing over for more than a decade. His inner mind would peace bits together before he could rationally come to conclusions and.it would be revealed to him (and the viewers) as insightful visions.


    I am an atheist and believe people can do and be good or evil. I do not associate the terms with God or the Devil, despite that being their origin...


    But I saw Errol as nothing more than a deranged man, not some Yellow King as others referred to him.. Stories and myths are ways people accept traumas or rationalize things they do not or cannot understand.. To me even if Errol believed he was on his 4th incarnation and lived many lives as this Yellow King it would not be reality. It would be his delusion.


    Again, I guess it is perception. Just because people think there is a boogeyman does not mean there is one. Not to me at least. To me he was just an twisted man who rejoiced in doing deranged acts.

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  21. Thanks for taking the time to answer!

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  22. Referring to next season 2 “The famous old American highway “Route 66″ was laid out by Freemasons with the apparent intention of sending masses of automobile riders into a self-processing occult “trip.”

    Route 66 began at the Buckingham Fountain in Chicago, near the site of the University of Chicago’s collection of Aztec ritual incunabula. It ended in Barstow, California in the Mojave desert, which is for the Freemasons, the cosmic graveyard of the West, the final destiny of Anubis, the celestial jackal, otherwise known as Sirius (see Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha Von Dechend, Hamlet’s Mill: An Essay on Myth and the Frame of Time, p. 358).

    If this version of Route 66 smacks of some medieval pilgrimage made more appropriately on a camel than by car, it is for good reason. Most of Route 66 was based on a road forged in 1857 by Lt. Edward Beale and his caravan of the U.S. Camel Corps.”

    - Michael A. Hoffman II, Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare"

    As someone that studies the Occult all of its aspects. I am aware of several connections to Route 66/666. Reading that season 2 of True Detective is about "hard Women, bad men and the secret occult history of the United States transportations system" I can't help but remember some of the stores I have read about the Freemasons roots to its supposed "Demonic" design.

    Not to mention the sections of the road that break off into Route 666. The reports of Ghost/Demon sightings. Strange goings ons along the roads Serial killers picking up and disposing of victims along its pathway sliced into the surface of the planet.

    Some never to be seen again others to end up as discarded human trash like trophies to killers that have moved down the road to torture, murder their next victims. Route 66/666 is one of Americas first Routes signed into law in 1927 but not not completely paved however, until 1938.



    Even today people go missing never to be seen while driving down the Devil's Highway to Hell as its called in some parts of America. Sure that will give them plenty to write about make for a great show if they can incorporate the right amount of law enforcement into it without making it too Occult but also not making it too Church like or police procedure like.


    In the end I did enjoy the buddy partner show that we got from season 1 so hope that we get close to the same but not the exact same just with new actors only women instead or Rust/Heart AKA Cagney/Lacey in the same type setting as before. The true test of a writer is if he can pull of a second, third, next script is as good as the first without repeating the same things over and over. The temptation to reuse the same tested methods that worked before to resolve some of the issues that come up for him in his writing.


    I did find some flaws with TrueDick1 but have chosen to keep them to myself until I take a look at season 2. Then and only then would it be fair to judge the writer on his work as a writer. MJ

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