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Monday 11/18/13 Metered Markets
Respectable Time Period Debut for Fox’s “Almost Human”
Household
Rating/Share
ABC 9.1/14
NBC 5.8/ 9
Fox 4.7/ 7
CBS 4.6/ 7
CW 0.8/ 1
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-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Monday 11/19/12:
Fox: +42, ABC and CW: no change, NBC: – 6, CBS: -19
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-Winners:
“Dancing With the Stars” (ABC), “How I Met Your Mother” (CBS), “The Voice” (NBC), “Castle” (ABC)
-Honorable Mention:
“2 Broke Girls” (CBS), “Almost Human” (Fox), “Mike & Molly” (CBS), “Sleepy Hollow” (Fox)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“Hart of Dixie” (CW), “Beauty and the Beast” (CW), “Hostages” (CBS)
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-Ratings Breakdown:
It was an easy Monday overnight victory for the home of “Dancing With the Stars,” ABC, which bested three-hours of “The Voice” on NBC by an average of 57 percent. But it will not enough to beat NBC among adults 18-49 and other key young adult demos.
Two-hours of “Dancing With the Stars” led the night in the overnights with a 9.9 rating/15 share from 8-10 p.m., which was 12 percent above the 8.8/13 one week earlier. Next on ABC was underrated “Castle” at a dominant 7.6/13 at 10 p.m., which benefited minus “The Blacklist” on NBC in the competitive mix. On NBC, “The Voice” Performance Recap Show finished fourth with a 4.5/ 7 in the 8 p.m. hour, followed by the two-hour live Top 10 performance edition at a second-place 6.4/10 from 9-11 p.m.
In time period premiere news, Fox drama “Almost Human” was a compatible fit into “Sleepy Hollow” with a 4.8/ 7 in the overnights from 8-9 p.m. Comparably, that was on par with the week-ago and year-ago airings of “Bones” (but 24 percent below the 6.3/ 9 for the preview on Sunday at 8 p.m.). “Sleepy Hollow,” which always held a double-digit percent advantage demographically over former lead-in “Bones” followed with a typical 4.6/ 7 at 9 p.m. The true test will come when the demos are released to see how “Almost Human” fared compared to “Bones.” My prediction is we will see noticeable growth among the key young demos.
Elsewhere, CBS had nothing unusual to report with its recently revised combination of “How I Met Your Mother” (#2: 5.6/ 9), which is expected to win the 8 p.m. half-hour among adults 18-49, “2 Broke Girls” (#2: 5.3/ 8), “Mike & Molly” (#3: 5.4/ 9), recent entry “Mom” (#4: 4.5/ 7) and failing “Hostages” (#3: 3.6/ 6). Given the increased emphasis on Allison Janney on “Mom,” what seemed generic early this season has now become must see.
The CW, meanwhile, could not compete with dramas “Hart of Dixie” (#5: 0.9/ 1) and sophomore “Beauty and the Beast” (#5: 0.6/ 1), which should never have been granted a second season.
Source: Nielsen Media Research data
Source: Marc Berman@tvmediainsights
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7.6/13 for Castle can't wait for the demo number :)
ReplyDeleteAlmost Human should have remained north of 2.5 if the skew was more or less the same as Sunday (which is not granted at all given the demographics from the Sunday lead-in). We shall see. Everything else seems normal to me, except for Castle, which seems to have spiked (against the voice?!).
ReplyDeleteSince when is Mom a must see? lol
ReplyDeleteI think we could be looking at a season high, which doesn't make any sense to me since it was airing against the voice :P We shall wait but I don't remember the overnights being that high this year before.
ReplyDeleteHe always gives his own opinions as if they were proven facts lol.
ReplyDeleteIt is a good show.
ReplyDeleteEpisode 6x01 did 7.4 i think !
ReplyDeleteCastle and TB share a audience
Yes, it certainly appears so. This could be misleading though if all Castle did was to capture the older part of the population that normally watches the blacklist. If the young adults stayed with the voice, then the increase in overnights will be misleading. We need to wait for the demo.
ReplyDeleteThat looks great for Castle.
ReplyDeleteAlmost Human will probably be in the low 2s.
I am hoping for mid 2s, let's see.
ReplyDeleteYes, we just have to wait now ! I still hope the demo is higher than 2.2
ReplyDeleteI'm shocked too. I was honestly expecting/dreading Castle to be down against the Voice because honestly The Voice is a giant. This is very surprising lol
ReplyDeleteBut as a huge Castle fan I'm not complaining. Last night's ep was one of the strongest eps of the series EVER, it deserves a season high. Though we know quality doesn't mean high ratings but it would be great to see ;)
We have to wait and see but I'll be really dissapointed if AH got low 2s. I think second episode was much much better than the pilot.. Also I can't wait to see Castle's demo numbers! 7.6/13 against the voice looks pretty good
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, maybe people didn't know there was a new Almost Human last night, we'll have to wait until next week to see the real ratings of this show and... this is going to be Fringe all over again, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteno we keep going and try our best to still get a third season.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it doesn't work but at least we fight for it ^^
You make the CW little to no money, so that's why they don't care about you.Besides, a network doesn't care for how socially active a fanbase is. Take a show like NCIS for instance, which has been the highest rated show for a few seasons now. I am sure the show has minimal social network presence, but that doesn't matter because viewers keep coming back and watching the show. A network doesn't care if you're very passionate about a show or not as long as you're there watching it.
ReplyDeleteNo, it got a 3.3 last week.
ReplyDeleteAh that explains that high overnights number then!
ReplyDeletetvbtn have just tweeted "ABC Boston & Charlotte aired Pats/Panthers NFL on Mon, expect preliminary ratings for DWTS & CASTLE to be inflated" :(
ReplyDeleteAh, bummer.
ReplyDeleteJust remember, Monday night football aired on ABC in Boston. So take the initial demo numbers with a grain of salt. They are probably going down. Huge Castle fan so hope I am wrong.
ReplyDeleteLuckily the CW are in a better state this year and I can't see the CW renewing shows with such low ratings this year, thus I think neither B&tB nor TCD will be renewed to a 3rd season with their current ratings.
ReplyDeleteThe only way B&tB could still get renewed is if CBS demands this renewal, as CBS studios produce only B&tB, Reigh, and ANTM for the CW (rest of the shows are either WB or a joint venture of both.) If B&tB is not renewed, then Reign would most
Speaking of syndication deals, TVD are in their 5th season already and I didn't hear about a syndication deal for it year. Did you hear anything regarding that?
ReplyDeleteIn the fast nationals the ratings for both ABC show should be higher, in the finals there should be adjustments of 0.1-0.3. Since both shows rose from last weeks hh ratings i think we can see an increase at least in the preliminaries due to preemption's.
ReplyDeleteNo, that doesn't matter. I was investing that the other day and per their joint venture agreement, they share the profits of all productions that air on the channel (including syndication revenue) regardless of who produces what. There is a very tiny chance that Beauty and the Beast gets that 9pm Friday slot next year but it's a very very low chance. Reign/HOD is a much more likely candidate.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to tell anything about Almost Human because of it airing at a different time. Also, we don't even have the final numbers of its 1st episode yet, it could've been adjusted up or down at both 18-49 ratings and total viewers.
ReplyDeleteNo. I was actually actively searching for that yesterday because it will be the topic of my ratings article next week and I could not find any mention of it. But I am sure there is or that there will be one. Supernatural is very well syndicated. Even Gossip Girl was syndicated. I am sure it's a matter of time or a matter of us not knowing the information.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's totally right. I should know better than to make these very rough guesses. It's a wildcard at this point.
ReplyDeleteStill, there hasn't been a season in which at least one CBS drama show wasn't renewed, and the choice this year is only between B&tB and Reign.
ReplyDeleteThanks. I'm curious about that deal. IIRC Gossip Girl's deal was announced only at its last season, but I expected TVD's deal to be announced by now considering it's the most popular CW show nowadays. I wonder if perhaps the deal wasn't close yet because TVD's rerun ratings are not that great (and were usually lower than SPN and Arrow's this summer.)
ReplyDeleteI think it's been always a coincidence. Anyway, Star Crossed is also CBS by the way.
ReplyDeleteI don't think all syndication deals are announced, are they? Not sure about that. I think that when shows are serialized as is TVD they usually start their syndication runs only after they are concluded and not in the middle of it. But this is a bit of a theory and I am open to counter examples.
ReplyDeleteWell, I don't watch it but isn't the Good Wife serialized? And SPN is pretty serialized and has had a syndication deal with TNT for years now.
ReplyDeleteI don't even get it on how could people hate beauty and the beast. I mean I love the show and I watch it every Monday night at 9pm. So think twice before you ether cancel or give it a very bad rating.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you mean by "give it a very bad rating"?
ReplyDeleteYour comment makes no sense!
ReplyDelete1. What does the fact that you always watch it have anything to do with other people not liking it?
2. We don't cancel shows, networks do.
3. Nobody gives shows ratings. That is determined by how many people watch it and very few people are watching Beauty and the Beast, so the show has a terrible rating.
I explained myself poorly. What I meant was that these shows only start actually airing in syndication after ending, regardless of whether or not the deal is made before that, which would mean the timing of the deal is less urgent than for a comedy or a procedural. As for your two examples:
ReplyDelete- The Good Wife is an hybrid. It has serialized elements and an ongoing arc (this season more than others) but every episode has a law case that you can just jump in and follow. If at gunpoint, I would say it's more procedural than serialized.
- I have only watched part of season 1 of Supernatural but the episodes I did see were practically all standalones. I imagine it gets more serialized later, but doesn't it keep a lot of its procedural aspects/ standalone episodes? Anyway, maybe my theory doesn't apply for shows as old as Supernatural.
I agree that serialized show don't really work all that good in syndication at least that was the case in last years. That is why GA, DH didn't do good in syndication and i have my doubts that the Good Wife and Scandal will fair all that better. These shows i think are doing much better in international syndication. Thats why CBS concentrate so much on procedurals (NCIS, NCIS LA, Mentalist, Criminal Minds...), since they make quite a profit through syndication both States wise and also internationally.
ReplyDeleteI dispute a bit the notion that GA and TGW are serialized shows. Sure, they have ongoing storylines but there are always plenty of standalone elements on each episode for you to be able to jump in and understand if you know the basics of who is who on the show. You cannot compare them with a show like The Vampire Diaries, Lost, Revenge, Scandal, Revolution, etc. where there are barely standalone elements.
ReplyDeleteCastle is going to take a big hit due to Monday night football. It's going to be be adjusted downwards. :(
ReplyDeleteAs long as it doesn't go below 2.0, I am fine with it.
ReplyDeleteMany shows start airing in syndication before they complete, such as TBBT, Supernatural, Castle etc. I think either Modern Family or the Middle or both also started airing in syndication at the US this year, there were some TVBTN fans that were hoping the syndication reruns would help their ratings this year.
ReplyDeleteSPN became as serialized as Arrow, for the lack of better example, after its first season.
Yes, I realize that. But my point was all those shows that you typically hear about starting syndication runs before completing are either comedies or procedurals. I don't remember pure serialized dramas doing so.
ReplyDeleteBut you got to ask what the chicken and the egg here. I think we less hear about syndication for serialized shows and their syndication begins later because they do worse in reruns and thus do worse in syndication. Hence, making those that offer the deals be more hesitant about the and making them wait until they could purchase more episodes of the show at a lower cost.
ReplyDeleteWhat I think is interesting is will happens with the hybrids, shows like Grimm, Arrow, POI, etc. that have both procedural and serialized aspects.
Also, if syndication is that hard for serialized shows, does it really offer the same protection to struggling serialized shows such as Revenge as they do to struggling comedies or procedurals?
Thats true but i have my doubts about it just as i have about POI (unfortunately). Both of them air in my country and their ratings are quite bad to be frank
ReplyDeletePOI ratings are not bad. I'd call them average.
ReplyDeleteInternational airing is not the same as syndication airing. Syndication airings repeat episodes a lot and often air them marathon style, with multiple episodes after one another. In international airings that's typically not the case. One should not extrapolate the performance from one to the other.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, it's chicken and the egg. I think most of those hybrid shows aren't that hybrid. Arrow I agree with you but shows like Grimm and POI are not more serialized than something like H50. I would say that more than 80% of its episodes are still procedural.
ReplyDeleteI do agree that the protection that this offer to struggling shows is a bit different but then again it is hard to extrapolate because it appears that there is a very dubious relationship between the ratings performance of a show and its syndication value. The Good Wife got an incredible deal last year. Check this list out for reference/benchmarking: http://www.spottedratings.com/2010/11/list-of-cable-syndication-deals.html. The list is obviously not exhaustive but there are only 4 shows there with a deal higher than TGW, which is getting 2,000,000 per episode. That's is crazy, especially if you consider the show was syndicated last year when it was clear it was a very marginal ratings performer and not in the first year when someone could believe it would become a mega hit. So while I think syndication helps shows differently, I don't think it's necessarily a factor of how well they do in first-airings or even in re-runs (again, the good wife does terribly in re-runs, so badly that CBS doesn't even repeat it during summer)
Thanks for the info, I had no idea TGW was getting so much per episode.. This topic sure is interesting.
ReplyDeleteI hope ABC Studios could get as good deals for Once and Revenge next year as CBS Studios got for TGW.
I see POI and Grimm as hybrids personally. They might have the MOTW or the number of the week, but the HR storyline for example and the royal\coins\amnesia\zombie storylines are consuming a large part of even the procedural episodes.
They have some shows airing episodes daily from Monday to Friday. I know its not the same but we are talking about a show like POI that is much more serialized as you average NCIS or even CSI who are kings of syndication in US and internationally. They actually placed 2nd season of POI from all access TV station to premium cable, since the ratings went that low. And they aired then 2nd season during the summer, while airing the 1st season in spring.
ReplyDeleteAH 2.2 - Bones fans rejoice!
ReplyDeletewow lower than i expected for Almost Human it will be in the ones in a few weeks
ReplyDeleteI don't have enough information to judge the negotiation capabilities of ABC Studios. Those Grey's Anatomy and Desperate Housewives deals are quite poor, but I am not sure how reliable they are after all these years. Also, keep in mind that these values can often change (but only upwards) if/when more episodes are produced/ratings pick up and that there can be multiple deals for some shows (depends on whether or not the first buyer gets exclusive rights for it or not). So the values are likely higher. For instance, I don't buy that a perfect syndication product such as Bones only scores that CW-esque amount per episode, seems impossible to me. Supernatural for instance is currently scoring $700,000 in the deal with TNT, but it has other deals which reportedly score another $700,000 per episode. I don't buy necessarily the figures of this second Netflix deal, it seems too high, but anyway, it's safe to say it's higher than $1,000,000.
ReplyDeleteBottom line is that it appears that the importance of syndication has more to do with the studio/network doing the dealing than the product itself. CBS has a syndication machine in place. How much of that is negotiation skills and how much of that is credibility built in the past due to the fact that their products (procedurals) always score the highest ratings, nobody knows - it's, once again, the chicken and the egg.
I think these values are interesting because it could often mean that episodes are produced basically for free in 4th/5th season shows (when costs haven't went through the roof yet with contracts renegotiation) if the shows scored good syndication deals, meaning that any ad-revenues would go directly to profits.
As for the hybrids thing, I don't think there are pure procedurals on TV anymore. Which shows would qualify? Maybe CSI and the NCIS? Even Castle/Bones have ongoing storylines (Booth/Brennan relationship, Kate/Castle relationship, Becket's mom murder, Pelant, etc.); I see Grimm and POI being slighly more serialized than these but the distinction is not that big to make a meaningful difference later on. For me, the barrier is whether or not you can jump in on an episode and follow it. As long as there is a MOTW, that is doable, so I say it's more procedural.
Oh my... 2.2 for Almost Human? (Well, somewhere in the world die hard Bones fans are pretty happy..) Honestly wasn't expecting THAT low... 3.1 to 2.2? Very dissapointing IMO. Also good for Sleepy Hollow! yesterdays episode was aaamazing!
ReplyDeleteSorry to see Almost Human so low. It will be in the 1s next week when it has to go up against the voice. Man, that's depressing.
ReplyDeleteI stand corrected then. But I still judge POI as mostly a procedural show. For me, as long as most of the episodes have a MOTW, you can jump in and watch even if you don't do it regularly.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that is depressing, but at least Fox found a hit in Sleepy Hollow this year.
ReplyDeleteI thought it would go the other way around (SH failing and AH hitting)
ReplyDeleteI thought SH would be a total failure and who would watch it, then I watched the 1st episode and got hooked ;)
ReplyDeleteI suppose the only good thing from this Bones\AH switch is that we know SH is not lead-in dependent and can stand on its own, that too is good for my favorite new show.
I think FOX also probably had higher hopes for AH than for SH. It would much easier to simply take SH out of the schedule (or burn it of on Fridays) after baseball hiatus had it done poorly and simply keeping Bones/Almost Human on Mondays than it will be for them to replace Almost Human since Bones has already been sent to Fridays. I still hope Almost Human can rebound somehow but it's very unrealistic to expect so considering it will go against the voice next week.
ReplyDeleteBut then again you might be right since they show 2 episodes of Stargate SG1 every Moday till Friday. :) (Still my favorite show till this day)
ReplyDeleteYou don't get how people could hate your show ? Welcome to the world of thousands of other fans. BatB had a certain Buzz around it, considering that it was the reboot of the classic Hamillton/Perlamn show. But the fans of that show were sorely dissapointed for the most part as this show stood against most the original did. Gone was the fairytale atmosphere and gone was the actual 'beasty' aspect.
ReplyDeleteGood for you, liking the show is your right. No one forbids you that. But no one forbids others not to like it.
Think twice before cancelling it ? I doubt theCW will blink with an eye considering its inevitable cancellation this year, the ratings are so bad at this point the show is more dead than a walker on TWD.
'Give it a bad rating' ? One can't give a show a bad rating, these numbers stand for the number of people that watched the show.
It looks like we were both too high.
ReplyDeleteOMG Almost Human! And that's without The Voice live.
ReplyDeleteSadly, with a 2.3 preliminary, and considering it may adjust down about 0.3, a 2.0 is the best we can expect, I thunk:(
ReplyDeletePity, because it was a great episode!
Here are the 1/2 hr Breakdowns
ReplyDelete8:00 p.m.
ABC – Dancing With the Stars
Viewers: 13.26 million (#1), A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (#4)
CBS – How I Met Your Mother
Viewers: 8.07 million (#2), A18-49: 3.1/ 9 (#1)
NBC – The Voice Performance Recap
Viewers: 7.66 million (#3), A18-49: 2.2/ 6 (#2t)
Fox – Almost Human (time period premiere)
Viewers: 6.64 million (#4), A18-49: 2.2/ 6 (#2t)
CW – Hart of Dixie
Viewers: 1.19 million (#5), A18-49: 0.5/ 1 (#5)
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8:30 p.m.
ABC – Dancing With the Stars
Viewers: 14.48 million (#1), A18-49: 2.4/ 6 (#2)
CBS – 2 Broke Girls
Viewers: 7.85 million (#2), A18-49: 2.7/ 7 (#1)
NBC – The Voice Performance Recap
Viewers: 7.47 million (#3), A18-49: 2.3/ 6 (#3)
Fox – Almost Human (time period premiere)
Viewers: 6.62 million (#4), A18-49: 2.2/ 6 (#4)
CW – Hart of Dixie
Viewers: 885,000 (#5), A18-49: 0.4/ 1 (#5)
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9:00 p.m.
ABC – Dancing With the Stars
Viewers: 14.99 million (#1), A18-49: 2.4/ 6 (#3)
CBS – Mike & Molly
Viewers: 7.95 million (#3), A18-49: 2.3/ 6 (#4)
NBC – The Voice
Viewers: 10.85 million (#2), A18-49: 3.6/ 9 (#1)
Fox – Sleepy Hollow
Viewers: 7.16 million (#4), A18-49: 2.5/ 6 (#2)
CW – Beauty and the Beast
Viewers: 704,000 (#5), A18-49: 0.3/ 1 (#5)
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9:30 p.m.
ABC – Dancing With the Stars
Viewers: 15.30 million (#1), A18-49: 2.5/ 6 (#2)
CBS – Mom
Viewers: 6.73 million (#4), A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (#4)
NBC – The Voice
Viewers: 10.71 million (#2), A18-49: 3.5/ 9 (#1)
Fox – Sleepy Hollow
Viewers: 6.97 million (#4), A18-49: 2.4/ 6 (#2)
CW – Beauty and the Beast
Viewers: 691,000 (#5), A18-49: 0.3/ 1 (#5)
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10:00 p.m.
ABC – Castle
Viewers: 12.52 million (#1), A18-49: 2.4/ 6 (#2)
CBS – Hostages
Viewers: 4.71 million (#3), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#3)
NBC – The Voice
Viewers: 10.64 million (#2), A18-49: 3.4/ 9 (#1)
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10:30 p.m.
ABC – Castle
Viewers: 11.52 million (#1), A18-49: 2.2/ 6 (#2)
CBS – Hostages
Viewers: 4.24 million (#3), A18-49: 0.9/ 2 (#3)
NBC – The Voice
Viewers: 9.73 million (#2), A18-49: 3.1/ 9 (#1)
I know, it's very sad :S
ReplyDeleteTotally called low 2's for Almost Human, though if it stabilizes in the high ones and low two range, that won't be too bad for FOX.
ReplyDeleteSleepy Hollow dropped a tenth.
HIMYM yet again get's 3+. Really impressive.
Castle will probably be adjusted down two-tenths.
Mom is even with last week, though I wish it had gotten at least a 2.0
Hostages hit a series low, ouch.
Mike and Molly and 2 Broke Girls are even.
Yeah, I saw.
ReplyDeleteMy thought exactly! Maybe not a full season, but at least a half season or 10 episode like Gossip Girl got last year.. Even with 10 or 13 episodes, I believe they would have had enough weeks with hiatuses to air them. Well, maybe there were money and cost involved or something like that...
ReplyDeleteMonday Night Football preempted the ABC schedule in Charlotte as well. We enjoyed the game, but I had to watch Castle at ABC's website this morning. The episode won't be aired until Sunday here in Charlotte. I'd have been really pissed if I missed Castle and the Panthers lost---glad the Panthers won.
ReplyDeleteIt's really sad for AH. The Voice repeat wasn't that much lower than what the voice first hour usually does but I think it's lower enough to send AH to high 1s next week, which is really unfortunate.
ReplyDelete12.02 for Castle!!!! WOW!
ReplyDeleteYeah, I see it in the high ones next week.
ReplyDeleteThanks for these!
ReplyDeleteWell at least that 2.2 for Almost Human was steady. :)
Sad.
ReplyDeleteBefore Almost Human fans hit the panic button it isn't lost yet. From what I've been reading online a bunch of people didn't know the second episode was airing last night, thinking the next episode would be next sunday.
ReplyDeleteAlso, people learning it's a procedural instead of a serialized show should help. The pilot came across like a serialized show, but the second episode definitely was a procedural. GIve the show some time, it could still sort itself out.
Remember Fringe? That show also had some wild variations in it's ratings in it's first season. :)
I wouldn't give up hope just yet.
ReplyDeleteYes but to be fair the Fringe example is not a good one since it got a still monstrous AI lead-in in the winter/spring, that's why its ratings changed so much. I still think AH is not doomed yet, I agree with you on that, but that effect of some people not knowing it was on is likely to be more than counterbalanced by the fact that Shows typically drop on its 3rd episode + The Voice being back up. I expect it to be in the high 1s next week, although I would love to be proven wrong.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I doubt it can get better ratings next week against a new Voice.
ReplyDeleteGood point, but still Fringe's ratings fluctuated throughout the season it didn't have the Al lead-in all that time if I remember correctly?
ReplyDeleteI agree that The Voice as competition will be a tough nut to crack, but Sleepy Hollow proves it's possible for a scifi/fantasy show. Though people tend to be less forgiving towards fantasy shows over scifi ones.
Just take a look at Sleepy Hollow, it shows you that there is room for upward movement. It's demo was up from last week (2.5 to 2.6) despite being against The Voice.
ReplyDeleteThat was different as it had stabilized in that time slot. Also, it's ratings have dropping almost every week since the premiere.
ReplyDeleteNo! Almost Human! Awful drop in viewers. Wish they'd kept the show on Sunday. :(
ReplyDeleteReally hope people just didn't know it was on Monday, but that's false hope.
I don't think putting it on Mondays at 8pm was a smart idea.
ReplyDeleteReally had hopes for this show. :(
I love both too much! Hoping they both get Renewed
ReplyDeleteKeeping the show on Sundays would not be the answer. Sundays are the worst day to air dramas nowadays IMO, especially dramas that have some type of serialization involved. Yesterday's number was not a proper indicator of what was to come.
ReplyDeleteI don't get how is that a comparable situation:
ReplyDelete- Sleepy Hollow was up against the voice both weeks, there was no change in situation, unlike what will happen with AH
- Sleepy Hollow had a 2.5 this week and a 2.6 last week, it didn't inch up, it inched down
- I disregard 0.1/0.2 variations. It's too small and they fall within the show's margin of error and rounding error. Could also change in C3 numbers. So if a show does a 2.5, 2.6, I say it's stable.
Yeah, I remembered that and that's why I edited. I do think 8pm on Monday is one of the rougher times of the week.
ReplyDeleteFringe also had an irregular first season because it ran for 50 mins with minimal commercials
ReplyDeleteRegarding Fringe, more or less:
ReplyDelete- it scored a 3.2 for its 2 hours premiere on Tuesday
- next week, for its timeslot premiere, it scored a 5.1 at 9pm, with a potent House lead-in
- it fell after the timeslot premiere but remained in the 3.8-4.2 area up until episode 8
- episode 9 and 10 (the last two episodes before Christmas break) scored a 3.4 and 3.6 (but the House lead-in was also quite lower than usual. Not sure what happened here, probably some competition spike, can't be bothered to look right now)
- it peaked when first exposed to the AI lead-in, scoring a 4.6, 4.7 and 5.0 for its first 3 episodes after the hiatus
- after that, it settled again in that 3.8-4.2 range in which it had remained for most of the fall after House
So excluding the two pre-hiatus episodes drop and the first episodes after AI, the show was always on the 3.8-4.2 range after the timeslot premiere.
Anyway, I don't doubt that's it's possible to survive against the voice, SH certainly shows that it is. I just think it's very hard to increase the rating going from a non-facing-the-voice situation to a facing-the-voice situation.
The timeslot is fine, especially because it didn't even have to go against the voice this week. Maybe Thursdays at 9 would be better but FOX would likely be worse off premiering Rake by itself on Mondays. I am rooting for the show but FOX is not to blame here, the show is.
ReplyDeleteThis particular week Mondays at 8 was actually a decent slot for it IMO. I think we cannot blame FOX on this one. Also, where did you see that the show had high production costs? I don't believe most of those rumors around costs on the internet. It's Shield all over again.
ReplyDeletewow HOD dropped a shit load of viewers in the second half
ReplyDeleteI don't know where I heard it.
ReplyDeleteWhatever the case, I'm just hoping AH makes it past at least one season. Or at least has a good ending. No matter the length of the show, that is most important to me.
That's petty. Bones is an older show. If it wasn't AH Fox would have given the slot to some other new show - because new shows don't do very well on Fridays. Older shows have a better chance.
ReplyDeleteWell,it still got 2.2, but i'll wait a few weeks and see how it goes...
ReplyDeleteaccording to TVByTheNumbers Almost Human got a 2.3 in the finals
ReplyDeleteI've had it up to here *points to own head* with immature, silly BatB fans complaining about how everyone hates their shows. I hate to generalize and I'm sure there are nice, reasonable fans of this show, but at least as far I can tell from message boards, social media and sites like these, this show has one of the most annoying and obsessed fandoms out there. When I asked one of them why she kept using the stupid hashtag that has no relevance here, she went ballistic with "it's a free world, I can do what I want!". Jesus.
ReplyDeleteIf every other post didn't go like this: "People start watching #BatB, it's an amazing show and #Vincat are the most epic love evah!!!!!!!!1111", I might be nicer.
And as many have pointed out, the whole point of the BatB story is that the beauty falls in love with the beast despite his hideous appearance. It's genuine love - for who a person is on the inside, not on the outside. FFS, whoever wrote this drivel should go watch the Disney movie, if not the old show (which I admittedly have not seen but am willing to bet is 100000000000 times better).
ReplyDeleteInstead, what did they do? Make the "beast" an underwear model with a scar on his face. What a fascinating take on the classic story. I laughed myself silly when I saw someone try to explain how BatB is in fact about "the beast within a person" which makes it deeper than any previous incarnation of the story...
Here's to hoping Almost Human has huge DVR numbers and has actually stabilized at these numbers. Unlikely as that is....
ReplyDeleteThose are fair points, can't really argue against them. :)
ReplyDeleteAnother fair point to consider. :)
ReplyDeleteI admit to not being well versed in ratings and you make some excellent points. I concede that my comparison was way off, even when I thought they were pretty similar.
ReplyDeleteAgain, I don't know enough about ratings. I know what's good and what's bad in ratings, but that's about it. I really thought my comparison was fair, but seeing all the numbers and facts you just threw at me made me realize my mistake. :)
I won't give up hope though that Almost Human will defy the odds. ;)
No problem ;) And hey I like to be optimistic and I hope you are right about Almost Human. There is definitely hope left!
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