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Renewals and Cancellations Decisions and TV Numbers 101 [FAQ]

30 Nov 2014

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Update: 8th October 2014 As the new season is now upon us, I thought it was as good time to repost this for new SpoilerTV readers.

Hey everybody.

I have been very kindly invited to start contributing to this great site with some ratings analysis and predictions about renewals and cancellations for the broadcast networks. However, before I start doing that, I thought it would be useful to come up with some type of guide to those who are less acquainted with the way renewals and cancellation work as well as the ratings system in general.

Click on the following sections title to expand/collapse the various items of information.

1. How do networks decide between renewing and cancelling a show?


Like any business, the goal of a TV executive when putting a show on the air is to make a profit out of it. In my opinion, there are five groups of factors that affect a show's profitability:

- Ad-Rate Revenues (depends on C3 18-49 Ratings and other subset demos);
- Syndication Potential (depends on # episodes);
- Tenure (depends on # of episodes):
- Opportunity Cost for Fridays (depends on whether or not airing on Fridays):
- Others

Before I explain each one of these further, there are two important notions to highlight:

- The only comparisons that matter are from shows within the same network! Therefore, as nice as it is for a show to come first in its timeslot, that doesn't help its renewal chances if it is still the least profitable show on the network. I would also add that, for the most part, you are better of sticking with comparing comedies with comedies and dramas with dramas rather than by mixing them all up.

- It is all relative! This means the absolute ratings are of little use when evaluating a show's renewal chances. This implies that notions such as "if my shows falls between a 1.8 is doomed" is likely to be a misconception because that 1.8 is, in itself, a moving average, which means that if the numbers for your show go down, it is fine as long as the numbers for the rest of the network go down on a proportional amount.

Both of these imply that the end-product of any renewal/cancellation prognosis is a pecking order for the shows of a network, as in, which show will the network pick as first renewal, as second, as third, and so on and so forth. Typically, the hardest part is to figure out how many shows will the network renew in that year; the best we can come up with is the ranked list of preferences and then try to extrapolate potential networks decisions using their past history.

1.1 Ad-Rate Revenues


When airing a show, networks sell ads to advertisers that are then placed in the commercial breaks of the show. The amount paid by the advertisers is the main driver of revenues for a show. However, not all shows are equally priced. As I will explain in a subsequent section, the main driver of these ad-rates are the C3 18-49 numbers (as well as it sub-demo groups); the higher this number is for a certain show, the more the networks can charge advertisers, so the higher the revenues of that show will be.

Another point to take into account here is that you should never look at the entire seasonal averages of a show to judge its renewal chances! You should always use, or at least weight significantly more, the most recent ratings as opposed to earlier season ratings (this is the same as saying that you should take into account the trend the ratings are following). Remember, networks are not interested in evaluating, backwards, how much money the show made them that year but, instead, how much money will the show make them next year, if renewed.

1.2 Syndication Potential

When a show hits a certain number of episodes (usually assumed to be around 88), it can be sold into syndication to other channels, which drastically boosts the shows revenues and, thus, its profitability. Although it is possible to sell shows with less than 88 episodes to syndication, it is generally believed that the financial attractiveness of the syndication packages is significantly increased when 88 episodes (4 complete seasons) are produced. This means that, sometimes, it may be worth for the network to foregone some potential advertising revenues and keep a lower rated show since it will generate higher profits in the future due to syndication. Presumably, a show like Raising Hope may have a negative operational margin for FOX during its 4th season (as in costs> advertiser revenues) but FOX is better off keeping it because it will get syndication money from it.

Moreover, I also find evidence to assume that the package becomes even more attractive with 100 episodes (which used to be the old mark for syndication). Even after these 100 episodes, syndication can also play an important role, because the more episodes are produced, the more episodes are sold into syndication. Now, one thing you have to bear in mind here is that even though virtually all shows can be syndicated, not all shows have the same syndication potential. Obviously, the higher rated the show is (and the higher rated its repeats are) the more other channels are willing to pay for the show, so the highest its syndication value is.

Exactly by how much syndication boosts shows it is something that nobody is quite clear yet. I think everyone accepts that it is somewhere between 40%-80%, and I am actually more willing to go for the higher end number than the lower one, but you can feel free to disagree with the exact value I use until definite evidence has been produced on this. Likewise, I typically assume a 20% bump for shows approaching the 100 episodes, but again, feel free to disagree with me on this to the extent of which is the exact number. Regardless of the number, syndication doesn't automatically save a show as it is commonly assumed. If the ratings differential between that show and the other shows on the network are too large, then syndication may not be enough to compensate for the losses the network would incur by keeping the show and cancelling a higher rated show. I think this will become clear later when I present an example.

1.3 Tenure

I’ve already mentioned the importance of the number of episodes when dealing with syndication. However, another importance of the # episodes is when it comes to freshman shows. Freshman shows are always the shows in worst shape to be renewed from a network, everything else being equal. This is due to two reasons: a) they are the ones furthest from syndication, as explained before and b) because they are newer shows, they are more prone to experience more drops in subsequent seasons than established shows. This doesn’t mean that there aren’t sophomore bounces occasionally, but this is the general trend you observe. For these reasons, I found that it significantly increases our prediction power to add a penalty to the numbers of newbie shows, more or less in the order of 10% (as always, the exact numbers are debatable).

1.4 Opportunity Cost for Fridays

Networks are typically less strict with their Friday shows, allowing them to air at lower ratings. A lot of times this is because these shows are already approaching syndication, so that’s why they are being kept. However, even when that is not the case, networks are usually more willing to tolerate lower numbers there because they know that it is harder to find something else for the day that will do much better. In other words, they are not foregoing huge profits by keeping the shows there (as opposed to, let’s say, keeping a flop show in a prime 9pm Thursdays timeslot). I usually assume a bump of about 20% to Friday shows because of this.

Note, however, that any other timeslot consideration such as a show facing huge competition, having poor retention out of a huge lead-in, etc., although important when analysing moves the network can make, are almost never shown to be taken into account by networks when making their renewals or cancellations decisions.

1.5 Other Factors

I almost didn’t include this section here because honestly, the 4 factors above account for something like 85% of all renewals and cancellations decisions. Most of the “other factors” that networks try to spin on you are PR tricks only. Stuff like on-line viewing, international sales, DVD sales, awards, on-line popularity, dedicated fan bases etc. has yet to be proven statistically relevant when it comes to renewals or cancellations of shows. You can use them to measure popularity, but if you are interested in measuring likelihood of renewal, you should ignore these for the most part.

The other factors that I do think can make a difference in some marginal cases (as in, situations in which the gap between two shows is not big enough) are the following:

- cost considerations: even though I usually assume that all shows within a network are produced at roughly the same cost, there are some exceptions such as shows in co-productions agreements being cheaper (Hannibal, Dracula, Crossbones) or shows with abnormally high production costs reported (Terra Nova, Two and a Half Men). Sometimes, it is okay to assume that older shows become more expensive as they go on, but I would advise caution with this, because not only it depends on how effectively they rotate the cast (new cast member are typically cheaper than older ones) but also because the effect of producing additional syndication episodes typically counterbalances this.

- production company/ show creator: if a show is produced by the network studio, it could be that there are extra incentives to keep it that a bought show doesn’t have. This effect is hard to measure with the limited sample I have access to though, so I am not sure yet on how to quantify it but I think it's foolish to completely ignore it too.

- schedule considerations: sometimes, the decision for which show to let go as to do with what will go to the timeslot when the show is let go. This is hard to measure and I am not exactly sure of how relevant this is, but it seems reasonable to me to accept that ABC was more willing to put something like The Neighbours on Fridays than something like How to Live. Moreover, two years ago, CBS reportedly cancelled CSI: Miami instead of CSI: NY because they were already launching Made in Jersey on Fridays so they thought it would be best to keep the rest of the night unchanged and revamp Sundays instead with the Mentalist; even though I am not sure how much of this is exactly true, it may be worth considering.

- demo breakdowns: I will dwell on this on the next section, but the idea is that if a show reaches a very specific, scarce group of the 18-49 demo that seldom any other show can reach, then that show is more valuable, and has a higher likelihood of coming back (hence, for instance, Glee's two year renewal or The Mindy Project's renewal last year)

Remember, however, that these factors will only make an impact on marginal cases!

1.6 See Example

In order to make all this a bit more concrete, consider the following CW example (some of the information is wrong for the purposes of the example that I want to give, so please don't take any meaning from the actual analysis or conclusions, it's mostly fake). Consider the following shows, with the following 18-49 ratings and the following number of episodes at the end of this season:
- The Vampire Diaries: 1.10, 112 episodes at season's end
- Arrow: 1.0, 88 episodes at season's end
- Hart of Dixie: 0.4, 66 episodes at season's end
- The Carrie Diaries: 0.3, 35 episodes at season's end
- The Tomorrow People: 0.6, 22 episodes at season's end

If we consider ratings as the only factor and we divide each shows ratings by the average of the network (assuming the same # of aired episodes this season), the pecking order looks like:
1. The Vampire Diaries: 1.62
2. Arrow: 1.47
3. The Tomorrow People: 0.88
4. Hart of Dixie: 0.59
5. The Carrie Diaries: 0.44

This means that if one show is to be cancelled, it will be TCD; if it is two shows, it will be HoD and TCD; three show, TTP joins them; four shows, only TVD survives; and 5 shows, all are cancelled.

Now, let's add the syndication bump for shows within a season of 88 episodes (Hart of Dixie):
1. The Vampire Diaries: 1.48
2. Arrow: 1.34
3. Hart of Dixie: 0.97
4. The Tomorrow People: 0.81
5. The Carrie Diaries: 0.40

Note that now, if two shows were to be cancelled, it would be TTP and TCD instead of HoD and TCD! Syndication could save Hart of Dixie if the cw cancels two shows only. Note, however, that if three shows are cancelled, Hart of Dixie would still go regardless of syndication - it is not a magic potion that solves all, even though it can definitely help!

Let's now introduce the bump for shows approaching 100 episodes (Arrow):
1. Arrow: 1.53
2. The Vampire Diaries: 1.40
3. Hart of Dixie: 0.92
4. The Tomorrow People: 0.77
5. The Carrie Diaries: 0.38

Note that now, if four shows were to be cancelled, Arrow would be the sole survivor rather than TVD!

Let's add the newbies factor into this as well (I consider shows with less than two full seasons under their belt to be newbies):
1. Arrow: 1.57
2. The Vampire Diaries: 1.44
3. Hart of Dixie: 0.94
4. The Tomorrow People: 0.70
5. The Carrie Diaries: 0.35

In this case, this actually didn't produce any changes in the relative standing of the shows, even though the gap between HoD and TTP got larger, thus indicating more danger for TTP. However, it could easily be the case that this would result in changes on the relative standing.

Finally, let's consider also the Friday bump:
1. Arrow: 1.54
2. The Vampire Diaries: 1.42
3. Hart of Dixie: 0.93
4. The Tomorrow People: 0.70
5. The Carrie Diaries: 0.42

As with syndication, Friday factors are not miracle workers. Even though TCD received some bump, it is still easily the most likely candidate to be cancelled unless the CW decides it wants 5 returning hours of dramas.

I hope you got the idea! My point is not to convince you that my % bumps are correct or incorrect for now (they certainly aren't 100% correct, I am aware of that), but hopefully you believe that their range is more or less correct and hopefully you understand a bit of how I think we should try to predict renewals and cancellations. Notice that, because so much is approximations, there is no meaning in declaring that a show with a 0.7 instead of a 0.6 is significantly safer. However, there is plenty of room to declare that something with 1.42 is significantly safer than something with 0.93 (in the example), which at least works to prove some misconceptions such as the "syndication saves all" idea.

2. What is the meaning of all the numbers that networks spin?

Unlike popular belief, the purpose of the ratings system is not to measure popularity. Television is a business that generates its revenues from having advertisers paying networks to show their adds during shows. The shows are just the vehicle that networks use to attract people to their channels so as to watch the adds. Therefore, the purpose of the rating is not to measure how many people watch the show (international sales, illegal torrents download, internet streaming, etc.) but how many people watch the shows commercials.

2.2 What are the different numbers that we see about a show’s performance?

These are the main metric used to comment on a shows’s performance:

- HH: these measure the percentage of total households in the US that watched the show

- Total Viewers: these are the total number of people >2 years old that watched the show

- 18-49 Rating: percentage of people aged between 18-49 that watched the show. For the 2013/2014 TV Season, the estimate is that a 1.0 rating point is equivalent to about 1.268 million people aged 18-49 watching the show.

- 18-34 Rating: percentage of people aged between 18-34 that watched the show. For the 2013/2014 TV Season, the estimate is that a 1.0 rating point is equivalent to about 0.676 million people aged 18-49 watching the show

- You may find a lot of other subsets of demo, such as 25-54, Men 18-34, Men 18-49, Women 18-34, Women 18-49, Teens, High Income Men 18-49, High Income Women 18-49, High Income 18-49 etc. The rationales are the same as for the 18-49 Rating and the 18-34 Rating: it is always a percentage of the total universe of the subset group.

2.3 Which of these numbers count and why?

The most relevant number to evaluate a show’s likelihood of coming back next season (i.e. the show’s profitability for the network) are the 18-49 ratings. Does this mean that total viewers are basically irrelevant? Yes. However, unlike what is commonly thought, this is not because advertisers don’t believe these people to have purchasing power.

In economics, one of the most basic characteristics you have to take into account when thinking about any model is scarcity. Here, it is the same thing. In fact, what happens is that viewers >50 are perceived by advertisers as being easier to reach. This happens because they the ones that watch more TV, meaning for instance that if they are not caught by the ads of program X, they will be caught by the ads of program Y. Usually they also watch more daytime TV, which also helps in being more easily “reachable”. If there were to be a huge demographic revolution and the youth started to be glued to the TV all the time and older people would never be in front of their TV, then I can guarantee you that the system would change to reward those TV shows that would get people >50 to sit in front of their TVs. This is why you should practically ignore the Total Viewers (and Household) metrics. 18-49 is the most relevant one.

2.4 What about the other subset demos?

The other subset demos, unlike total viewers, might be useful. The key here is the same as in the explanation before: scarcity. Because 18-34 are even harder to reach than 35-49, then advertisers are willing to pay a premium for shows that can get these viewers to sit in front of their TVs. That is why you see very big ad-rates for shows like New Girl, The Mindy Project or the Fox Cartoons on Sundays! The cartoons also have the advantage of being among the few shows that skew more male than female; again, because male are scarcer and harder to come by, networks pay a premium for shows that do get them, which is why the cartoons do so well with advertisers.

Therefore, these numbers can matter and make a difference. The 18-49 are still the main indicator, but further demo breakdown information can help when deciding on the fate of bubble shows.

2.5 What are the different time windows to which these numbers can be applied?

Back in the day, a show’s viewing was done entirely live. Nowadays, that is not necessarily true. As a result, you can find different time windows depending on when viewing took place:

- Live+SD: It refers to the viewing that occurred live or until 3 am on the night the show aired. These are the numbers that we see everyday when the ratings from the previous night come out. This measure disregards whether you’ve watched commercials or not.

- Live+3Days (DVR-L3): It refers to the viewing that occurred live and that occurred within 3 days from the original airing date. It also disregards whether you’ve watched commercials or not.

- Live+7 Days (DVR-L7): It refers to the viewing that occurred live and that occurred within 7 days from the original airing date. It also disregards whether you’ve watched commercials or not.

- C3/ C7: It refers to the viewing that occurred live and that occurred within 3/7 days from the original air date. However, this number only counts viewers that effectively watched the commercials.

You can then have different combination of measures and time windows, such as 18-49 C3 numbers, 18-34 L7 numbers, Total Viewers Live+SD numbers, etc etc.

2.6 Which of these numbers matter when deciding on renewals and cancellations?

The number that is used to set ad-rates is the C3 one. This is because, as explained before, what is being measured is how many people watch the adds on a show and not how many people watch the actual show.

However, since these numbers are very hard to come by publicly, we typically rely on Live+SD numbers to make predictions. Historically, it has been shown that these are a fairly good proxy to the C3 numbers and that deviations are rare to be higher than 15%. Most importantly, the relative standing of a show within the shows from the same network is unlikely to change. Still, just so what you understand, the differences between Live+SD and C3 numbers are the following:

- If you watch a show after its airing up until 3am of the same night but you skip commercials, then your viewing is counted for the Live+SD sample but it is taken out of the C3 numbers.

- If you watch a show up until 3 days of the initial airing with commerials, that viewing was not included in the original Live+SD, but it is included in the final C3 numbers

Because these typically cancel out each other, it is widely assumed that the Live+SD numbers are a good proxy for the C3 numbers.

2.7 Does this mean that the remaining DVR numbers are irrelevant?

When assessing a show’s renewal chances, the DVR numbers are, per se irrelevant, yes, because there is no revenues from them. However, they can still provide to be useful in two ways:

- Accorded to a study from SpottedRatings, highly DVRed shows are typically those that show a bigger jump from Live+SD to C3, which means their ad rates will be slightly higher than we give them credit for in Live+SD. Remember, however, that the jump is unlikely to be big enough to create any meaningful difference in the relative standings of shows within that network and, at best, will make a difference when deciding on marginal shows only

- It can provide meaningful information about the possibility of a show being moved. If a show has abnormally high DVR numbers, it may be that it is airing too late for its intended audience or that it is airing against competition that is too aggressive, but that it still has enough 18-49 people watching it to be feasible elsewhere. This may help networks to decide on marginal situations.

Apart from these small tidbits, you should ignore DVR rating for the most part when assessing a show’s renewal or cancellation prospect. Most of all, do not make the mistake of saying that because your show has a 2.5 on L7 ratings, then it is safer than a show with a 2.1 on Live+SD ratings. You always need to compare apples with apples!

2.8 What is the difference between the preliminary and the final ratings we see everyday?

Everyday, we see two types of ratings for the previous night. As explained, these are Live+SD ratings. However, we usually see two different versions of these numbers:
- preliminary: they are the fastest ones to come out and they measure the amount of people that were watching the channel at a certain period of time.
- finals: they come in later and measure the amount of people that were watching that specific program.

What is the difference then? Well, two main things can change ratings from preliminary to finals:

- if a show runs later (or starts later), that has to be adjusted. So, let's say, that Modern Family finished at 9h32 instead of 9h30. Those extra two minutes were initially counted as part of Super Fun Night's ratings and have to be taken out of there and added back to Modern Family's ratings.
- if a show is pre-empted (i.e. certain affiliates show a different program, typically sports events or special news editions), then the initial numbers will count these other shows as well, which then have to be taken out of the final numbers.

The final numbers are the only ones that matter in the end.

3. How are Ratings Collected?

Ratings are collected from Nielsen Families who allow their viewing habits to be tracked and recorded. These numbers are then statistically processed and the ratings you see are created.

We've taken the following directly from Wikipedia.

Nielsen television ratings are gathered in one of two ways:

1) Viewer "diaries", in which a target audience self-records its viewing or listening habits. By targeting various demographics, the assembled statistical models provide a rendering of the audiences of any given show, network, and programming hour.

2) A more technologically sophisticated system uses Set Meters, which are small devices connected to televisions in selected homes. These devices gather the viewing habits of the home and transmit the information nightly to Nielsen through a "Home Unit" connected to a phone line. The technology-based home unit system is meant to allow market researchers to study television viewing habits on a minute to minute basis, seeing the exact moment viewers change channels or turn off their TV. In addition to set meters, individual viewer reporting devices, such as people meters, have allowed the company to separate household viewing information into various demographic groups, but so far Nielsen has refused to change its distribution of data of ethnic groups into subgroups, which could give more targeted information to networks and advertisers.

Changing systems of viewing have impacted Nielsen's methods of market research. In 2005, Nielsen began measuring the usage of digital video recordings such as TiVo. Initial results indicate that time-shifted viewing will have a significant impact on television ratings. The networks are not yet figuring these new results into their ad rates due to the resistance of advertisers.[1]

3.1 Can we trust Nielsen numbers?

Two remarks from this:

- if you understand something about statistics, you know that this is the way that it works and you know that provided that the sample size is large enough, which there is reason to believe it is, we can trust the numbers with reasonable confidence (typically around 90-95%) that they are representative enough of the entire population. If you don't believe me, think of it this way: advertisers would not be stupid enough to pay decades and decades for something that depends on these numbers unless they were confident these were true!

- this being said, I advise people to ignore 0.1 fluctuations (or even 0.2s in some cases). Sure, it is nice to see our shows go up and we hold on that we can, but in practice this is unlikely to mean anything. Two reasons:

a) despite the accuracy of these statistical methods, there is still room for some margin of error (5-10%). These adjustments typically fall within said margin of error and should be disregarded.

b) there is a rounding error in the numbers we see. A good example of this is The Tomorrow People. The show opened with 1.084 million 18-49 viewers (0.9 rating). The second week it had 1.079 million 18-49 viewers (0.8 rating). Because of rounding, the first week looks much better than the second if we look at ratings. In fact, even though the show only fell by 0.5%, looking at the rating it looks like an 11% decline! These type of issues is more frequent the lower the demo is, which is why I advise special caution especially when it comes to the cw!

Bottom line: Nielsen is trustworthy, yes, but you should ignore minor adjustments in a show's ratings.


We hope you find this helpful!

If you have any further questions or if you have comments, please let me know!

Disclaimer: Most of the above is factually based although some of the information is extrapolated from past analysis and interpretation.

84 comments:

  1. Congrats on your first post Andre! Welcome to the team and thanks for putting such a comprehensive guide together for everyone.

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  2. Wow thanks for posting this! It's a good guide for renewals and cancellations.

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  3. Thanks a lot Andy, and thanks for all the help!

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  4. Thank you ;) Hopefully it's useful!

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  5. Thanks for the comprehensive guide.

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  6. Woah, this is awesome and very very helpful and well put together.

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  7. Thanks for the kind words ;)

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  8. Great stuff!!
    I knew most of the information already, but the concise manner you used really put things in perspective and helped me understand important details better.

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  9. Thank you! Glad you found it useful ;) I struggled with the structure to use so I am happy that you found it helpful!

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  10. This is awesome! I'm glad you're doing this, because I'm a bit inept at how all the system works!

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  11. I love following all things ratings related, this definitely helped clear up a lot of things for me. Thank you!

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  12. Thank you! Glad you found it useful! And don't worry, I was inept not that long ago too. It takes a while to get used to all the variables involved ,but reality is that it is much more simpler than networks wants us to believe.

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  13. Glad it helped you out, that was the goal ;)

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  14. Devon Maxwell-Pierce28 October 2013 at 14:54

    This really made a lot of things clear for me. Well done. I'm reading everything ratings this year with Elementary in mind, so I'm both buoyed and depressed, haha. Great post.

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  15. Thanks! And welcome to the team!

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  16. Thank you for your kind words! I am glad it helped out! And even though I don't watch Elementary, I do watch other bubble shows, so I know the feeling unfortunately!

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  17. Very useful, thanks to you ;)

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  18. Now I understand! Thank you very much!!

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  19. Glad that it was useful ;) Thank you for reading!

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  20. This is fantastic. Finally, I understand the 18-49 bit. Will definitely have to refer to this in May when I'm panicking that some of my shows might get cancelled.

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  21. Thanks for the kind words ;) I am glad you fount it useful! And yes, hopefully this can be used as a reference in future situations !

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  22. Holy fucking crap! This was exactly what I needed! I thought this stuff was general knowledge and I was stupid since I didn't understand all of it! You have no idea how much this information meant to me! Again, thank you so much!

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  23. That is very good to hear, thanks a lot for your words! And don't worry, it's not you, at all. It takes a while to get used to all this but in reality it is simpler than it looks. It's just that networks like to make you believe there is a lot more to it than it actually does! Any doubts just ask and I'll try to help out ;)

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  24. Thank you, I appreciate that!


    Also, just because I cannot help myself from saying this, CBS cancelled CSI: Miami instead of CSI: NY due to a few reasons: Several of the cast members on Miami had been there for years, and the production cost was quite high. Although NY also had some cast members that had been there for a long time, there were less of them, and thus the production cost was lower. Also, Miami was doing much greater internationally than it was on American TV, which may have contributed as to why CBS did not feel they wanted to keep it going much longer since they had produced 10 seasons worth of episodes. In addition, CBS wanted a New York-based Friday, with Made in Jersey, CSI: NY and I think it was Blue Bloods that all center on this particular city, whereas Miami is kind of lonely when it comes to shows :P

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  25. Well, see, most of those are exactly the factors to which I find zero support as to influencing the renewal or cancellation decisions:
    - production costs: it could be, but I doubt the difference was that significant as you suggest. There are no numbers to back that up I am afraid!
    - international sales: while that is too much off a tiny percentage of revenues to make a meaningful difference in 99% of the cases and while there are no numbers to support your claim that Miami was doing better, your argument is backwards. If Miami was doing better, it would make more sense to produce more Miami episodes since they would get more revenue for it.
    - networks do not make their decisions based on factors like wanting an all NY night, that is not a thing I am afraid!

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  26. This is awesome! I was looking for something like this the other day and just could not find what I wanted. This certainly fits the bill.

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  27. Thank you for your words! Glad you found it useful ;)

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  28. But... But... here: http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/05/why-was-csi-miami-canceled-over-csi-ny-cbs-nina-tassler-discusses-tough-choice.html

    "It was a very tough choice," Nina Tassler, President of CBS Entertainment, told press in New York on Wednesday morning. "It was almost a jump ball. It was just about where, and what fit on the schedule."

    In the end, "CSI: NY" won that particular duel simply because it features New York City, which helped CBS create a Friday night NYC-fest. "CSI: NY" will run at 8 p.m. EST on Fridays, followed by "Made in Jersey," about a young lawyer who lands a job at a high-powered Manhattan law firm -- "but she is Jersey, born and bred," Tassler says. That will lead into NYC cop family drama "Blue Bloods" at 10 p.m. EST.

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  29. I never believe a word Network heads say :)

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  30. I had seen that and that's where I added the schedule consideration thing to the Other Factors. However, I am very reluctant to buy into what TV executives say in public to the press. They probably wouldn't come out and say "We were making more money with NY and of course we want to be profitable", you know what I mean? I think that had they decided that they were better off with the mentalist on fridays, they wouldn't have given 2 thoughts to the idea of an all NY night. Bottom line: mistrust what network executives tell you!

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  31. Ahah this. I wouldn't go as far as saying that I never believe a word but I am certain reluctant in believing them.

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  32. Oh, OK. I stand corrected. Thank you for clearing that up! :)

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  33. No problem, thanks for asking!

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  34. Great job putting this all together! Clear and concise,i don't see anyone not understanding this!

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  35. Thanks you, glad you liked it ;)

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  36. Welcome again! And thanks for this, really useful! I guess I understand now why Hostages is a likely candidate for cancellation :/

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  37. Ya,this really need to go into the Help section or in the Feature section,so everyone can go there if/when needed!

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  38. It's already in the Help Section :) and it will be linked to in all future daily ratings posts.

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  39. Thank you again and I glad you found it useful! Yes, I am afraid Hostages is a certain cancellation for CBS

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  40. You are a lifesaver!!! Thank you so much!

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  41. Thanks for the compliment, glad you found it useful ;)

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  42. omg this is amazing!

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  43. Glad you liked it ;) Thank you!

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  44. This right here is why I love this site. Wanted to all this anyway.

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  45. Glad to be contributing ;) Thank you!

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  46. Wow, this is an excellent article! You provided as much information about the ratings system as possible. Such an interesting read. Great job! Hopefully you can write more for SpoilerTV :)

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  47. Very interesting article.

    Strangely enough the ratings system can be very awkward to get one's head round, so this is very helpful. Thanks

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  48. Cool and Smart move! ;) Its definitely needed in the Ratings post,that's for sure! :)

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  49. Abdelrahman Osama28 October 2013 at 19:00

    Thank you Andre, you just made my life easier :)

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  50. I think you can clarify my doubt about audience. If I watch a DVR #BATB help to increase the numbers?

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  51. Only if you have a Nielsen Box.

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  52. Actually the answer is more complex than that. Not only would you need a Nielsen box, but for the numbers that increase to be meaningful for the CW's decision (i.e. to be profitable) you would have to:
    - watch it with commercials on
    - watch it within 3 days of the initial airing

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  53. Glad to hear that it helped, thank you ;)

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  54. Glad you liked it, thanks! And I agree, the ratings system tends to look very complicated but in practice it's not so much, it just takes a bit to get used to it!

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  55. Thanks a lot for those kind words ;) Glad you liked it. Hopefully I will keep writing yes, the idea is that I can make some sort of weekly analysis of the situation, let's see what I can come up with.

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  56. completely lay this matter, is asks from What would Nielsen Box? how do I add? thanks for the feedback.

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  57. Nielsen is an American Company that signs up families in the USA to participate in tracking their ratings. You can't just get a Nielsen box.

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  58. Thank you, this definitely helps to understand what happens to our shows

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  59. Thanks, glad you found it useful!

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  60. Andre. Your name is Andre. I always wondered...

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  61. Let me preface this comment by saying I'm not trying to be a dick. I love this article. I'd actually like to cite it in an academic piece I'm writing, so this is the impetus for my question. This is all great information - I'm just wondering where it comes from? What is your background? (If you find this question offensive, I'll be happy to delete it - that is not my intention)

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  62. Hey. Thanks for the kind comments towards the article. As for your question, I have no industry background whatsoever. So in that sense, I guess you can't really quote me as a credible source whatsoever. I find all this area very interesting and my conclusions come all from the analysis of networks' numbers and modus operandi during the last 4 seasons (5 with the current one). I probably should have tried to establish my credibility before but I really have no way of doing so, I can only hope that you believe me. If you go back in time, most networks decisions will fit with everything I am saying here. Other than that, most of what I've written (all the ratings' stuff part) are actual facts that you can see explained in any Numbers 101 article from all the usual sources. And don't worry, no offense taken. By the way, what would your academic piece be about if I may ask?

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  63. I completely agree with the information here - and I've worked in the industry. Unfortunately, because I'm working on a thesis, academics are notoriously picky about sourcing information - especially anything with numbers! LOL! My subject is the changing relationship between fans and producers (writer etc) and how fans are garnering increasing power as we move more firmly into the digital space. I'm looking to support different ways of viewing the "success" of a show.

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  64. Thanks! And yeah I understand that sourcing thing, no worries.

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  65. I was a Nielsen member once..Long time ago..I only watch Television on Monday's and Tuesdays,why they picked me is beyond me..






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  66. Wow, it must have taken a lot of time to do this! It's very detailed, it's great! Good job omabin :)

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  67. @omabin thanks for the FAQs, finally I am starting to "understand" syndication. Is this becoming more and more importan?. Don't know if I remember wrong, but I have the feeling that 10 and more years ago there were more show cancellations after S2/3 than today. Or are they just better at choosing the right show?

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  68. Thanks for stopping by! Nice to know that!

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  69. Eheh, thanks ;) Thanks for stopping by and thanks for the kind words!

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  70. Hey there. Thanks for stopping by, I am glad this is useful to you. I am not really able to answer you though because I don't follow ratings for that long and I am not sure of the values involved anyway, sorry :/

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  71. We have the same name! *stalker is stalker*

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  72. Fabulous article - answered all of my questions but one...how does online streaming fit into all of this. For example, do the networks track the amount of views a show gets via streaming on their website? Or other streaming options such as Hulu/Hulu+? I don't own a TV so I watch all of my favorite shows either thru the network's website or if their player sucks (*ahem* ABC), then I use Hulu+.

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  73. This is very helpful, thanks! Just out of curiosity, what is a 'good' number in the 18-49 ratings? I know there are different factors but in general, at what point is a show doing well in the 18-49 demo?

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  74. Really great post, well put together, however, about the Nielson ratings. About 7 years ago my family was contacted by Nielson, I convinced my parents to agree to be a household but even then as a teen I was into TV and ratings so I spoke to the representative who explained how they sample ratings, my family supposedly would represent 15,000 or so households... I know how statistics work but I think with something like TV they cannot always fall within 10% margin error, I think it's much higher. Just because reviewing people I've known throughout my life who would fall into the same demographic, everyone *in my personal experience* has always had such different tastes and habits with television I can't help but assume most people are a little more unique than can reliably be tracked that constantly with supposedly so much accuracy.

    Unless at some point all TVs come with a chip or something that could communicate that information I'm not sure I can ever be convinced that ratings are super accurate. (At least Netflix and Hulu can get EXACT numbers of who is watching what on their service, but that it different of course.) Too many variables that cannot be accounted for IMO. However, this is our ratings system so I only pray Nielson households tune into my favorite shows.

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  75. There really is no simply/magic answer I'm afraid. Different networks will have different averages and hence different criteria. Also the ratings are relevant to other shows on the network. As long a show does better than other shows on the network, then generally it should be save.

    The best way to visualize this is to check out our Renewal/Cancellation predictor
    http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/08/spoilertv-cancellation-predictor-table.html

    Also in this post is a table at the end which list all the broadcast shows

    http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/08/full-ratings-tables-201415.html

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  76. This is absolutely fantastic. I've always had a good number of these questions and never been able to articulate them in such a systematic way. Thanks for this post.

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  77. Nielsen stopped being relevant a long time ago, EXCEPT for renewal. Everyone watch their shows online nowadays, and the industry should reflect that, else television dies altogether and all we're left with are cheap reality shows. It could be easy, too: Most station's websites put their shows online, with ads. Which is fine! Now, they should do a few things: 1- Allow viewership worldwide for these websites; 2- Have a counter for number of views of each video (if necessary, have 2 counters, one for local viewerships and one for out-of-country viewership); 3- Keep the videos on those websites (Many just erase them after a week).

    I'm sure a ton of Internet viewers would tune in ON those website rather than streaming online, even with the adds on, just to support their show while at the same time watching it at their best convenience. It would also resolves the issue of shows competing with each other.

    Not a perfect plan, I know. My point was not to create a perfect plan to take into account Internet viewership, all I'm saying is that NOT taking those viewerships into account is problematic: Industries could take advantage of that instead.

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  78. Could you clarify something for me? My TV no longer receives. I have to watch NCISNOLA from CBS.com the next day. I do not skip the commercials. How does the network count my viewing? or does it? Thank you in advance. I really love NCIS NOLA and want it to be successful.

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  79. MARIE DIANA RICHARD LEBLANC6 November 2014 at 19:51

    I am in NB Atlantic province, and we no longer have Jane Velez Mitchel at 8:00 PM. We are with Rogers. Is she off the air, or coming back.....please do not let her go, I love that show and never missed her.....tks

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  80. This article contains two serious errors. 1) Syndication revenues accrue to the studio, not the network, unless they are one and the same or the network is partial owner. 2) Live +SD is not always a good substitute for the C3 rating (which is the money number). It depends on a lot of factors and does not uniformly apply. Some shows get a serious rise from dvr viewing and others do not. But in general there is a continuing shift to preferring recorded viewing for scripted content. And in a year or two it looks like they are going to activate a software kill-switch for the fast-forward button on a large number of DVR's so the L+SD stat will be all but useless.

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