Today's Early Overnight Ratings
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Metered Market Thursday Ratings
CBS Wins; NBC Cannot Compete; Disappointing “Reign” on The CW
Thursday 10/17/13
Metered Market Results
Household
Rating/Share
CBS 7.1/12
Fox 5.8/10
ABC 5.6/ 9
NBC 2.4/ 4
CW 1.7/ 2
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-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Thursday 10/18/12:
Fox: +38, ABC: – 2, CW: – 6, NBC: – 8, CBS: -19
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-Winners:
“The Big Bang Theory” (CBS), “The Millers” (CBS), “Grey’s Anatomy” (ABC), “The Crazy Ones” (CBS), “Two and a Half Men” (CBS), “Scandal” (ABC)
-Honorable Mention:
MLB: American League Championship Series, Game 5 (Fox)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“Once Upon a Time in Wonderland” (ABC). “Parks and Recreation” (NBC), “Welcome to the Family” (NBC), “Sean Saves the World” (NBC), “The Michael J. Fox Show” (NBC), “Reign” (CW), “Parenthood” (NBC)
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-Ratings Breakdown:
It was another Thursday overnight household victory for CBS, and stability for both “The Millers” and “The Crazy Ones” should warrant a full season episode order for both freshman sitcoms (as well as “Mom” on Monday) as early as today. “The Big Bang Theory” topped the night, as always, with an 11.4 rating/19 share at 8 p.m. And that, comparably, was up by seven percent from the year-ago evening.
Next was “The Millers” at a 7.6/12 at 8:30 p.m., which rose by two-tenths of a rating point (or three percent) from one week earlier with retention of an acceptable 67 percent out of “The Big Bang Theory.” The 9-10 p.m. combination of “The Crazy Ones” (#2: 6.4/10) and veteran “Two and a Half Men” (#2: 6.2/10) could not compete with the 8.9/14 in the overnights for year-ago time period occupant “Person of Interest.” But both were on par from one week earlier, the difference in the young adult demos from “Person of Interest” is certainly much closer, and they fit together like a glove.
Sophomore “Elementary” capped off the night for the Eye net with a second-place 5.6/10 at 10 p.m., which was 24 percent below the 7.4/13 one year earlier.
In series-premiere news, drama “Reign” on The CW opened with a sluggish 1.5/ 2 in the 9 p.m. hour, which dropped by 25 percent from lead-in “The Vampire Diaries” (#5: 2.0/ 3 at 8 p.m.) and was only equal to “Beauty and the Beast” on the year-ago evening. Two weeks earlier, “The Originals” previewed in this time period with a 1.7/ 3 (also out of a 2.0/ 3 for “The Vampire Diaries”). Given the hype, consider this disappointing sampling for “Reign.”
In week two news, ABC fantasy drama “Once Upon a Time in Wonderland” slipped to a 3.2/ 5 in the overnights at 8 p.m., which was 11 percent below the disappointing 3.6/ 6 opener (on Oct. 10) and 33 percent below failed year-ago drama “Last Resort” (4.8/ 8 on 10/18/12). But lead-out “Grey’s Anatomy” rose to a dominant 6.6/11 from 9-10 p.m. (-10 percent from one year earlier), followed by “Scandal” at a first-place 6.9/12, which increased by 38 percent from the 5.0/ 9 one year earlier.
On Fox, game five of The American League Championship Series on Major League Baseball, Boston at Detroit, was competitive at an estimated 5.8/10 in primetime, which was 35 percent above last week’s regularly scheduled combination of “The X Factor” and “Glee.” As a reminder, results for any live sporting event are always approximate.
Over at NBC, anemic remains the word with its Thursday line-up of “Parks and Recreation” (#4: 2.4/ 4), “Welcome to the Family” (#5: 1.9/ 3), “Sean Saves the World” (#4: 2.5/ 4). “The Michael J. Fox Show” (#4: 2.3/ 4) and “Parenthood” (#3: 2.6/ 5). “Welcome to the Family,” which dropped by 21 percent from year-ago occupant “Up All Night,” is expected to be the third freshman series cancellation this fall.
Source: Nielsen Media Research
Source: Marc Berman@tvmediainsights
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Reign hype? where? :D
ReplyDeleteSo Disappointed in Reign,Hope the demos come out okay.
ReplyDeleteSo sad about Reign! :( I Loved it and think other people would too, if they gave it a chance. I Really wanted this one to work!
ReplyDeleteAnd even I tuned in for Reign...not going to do it again as it sucked more than I expected.
ReplyDeleteBut I'm surprised it did so poorly, the marketing was pretty heavy and definitely should've spawned bigger numbers
The Selection would have done better
ReplyDeleteCBS is going to kill Elementary with that lead-in and against Scandal. This was a mistake. 2.5 Men is in decline. POI and E were a much better combo.
ReplyDeleteI'd be shocked if all 3 freshman CBS comedies get a back 9 order, the ratinsg are average and CBS have 3 comedies waiting in the wings.
ReplyDeleteReign could have gotten anything in the demo this isnt an indication as to how well it did
They completely changed the story line of The Selection, angering all the fans of the books. I don't think it would have been that successful
ReplyDeleteit was already down to low ones lasts season with POI as a lead in
ReplyDeleteNo it wasn't. It hit 1.8 for the finale against huge competition. It never went lower than that.
ReplyDeleteI don't particularly blame CBS for the declining ratings. As long as they temper expectations when it's up against the behemoth that is Scandal, it should be fine. I just wish the ratings would go up for once!
ReplyDeleteI agree we will just have to see what demos it got because total viewers mean nothing to advertisers.On this evening Beauty and The Beast got 2 million viewers.Reign skews younger
ReplyDeleteWell,say bye bye to OUaTW if it doesn't pick up in the next few episodes..
ReplyDeleteI mean, the original plan was to burn it off against the Winter Olympics while OUAT was on winter hiatus. I'm going to assume this is one season and done.
ReplyDeleteThat was but ABC execs really liked the pilot and the proposed plot and said that if it did well ratings wise they would ask to bring it back for another season, considering that its ratings is not great, I think they should stick to the original plan, that way they have something to fill the gap, and to give closer (even if it did just start) at least it would have a nice and complete story run.
ReplyDeleteIn top 25 markets Scandal does 3.6 ! Beats Elementary 1.3 & Parenthood 1.2
ReplyDeletewhich site do you see those ratings?
ReplyDeleteOn the twitter account : @SitcomsOnline
ReplyDeleteI refuse to believe E did just one tenth better than Parenthood. I'm completely nauseated.
ReplyDeleteOuch for Elementary but happy for Scandal.
ReplyDeleteIf it's true it did 1.3 in markets...ugh. I want to cry. Why can't this show catch a hold? It's so good.
ReplyDeleteNot surpised both these shows skew older compared to Scandal.
ReplyDeleteLooks like Reign is this year's BatB. Glad the Crazy Ones is doing better, really like this show. Sad for TMJFS, maybe if it was on any other network it would maybe rate better but I doubt it would be as open and creative
ReplyDeleteYeah, but Elementary has never come close to those numbers, even against Scandal. Baseball?
ReplyDeleteI don't think it has but as long as the viewership is from 8-9 mil, I'm not concerned. With CBS's ratings going down, I doubt they can afford to cancel it.
ReplyDeleteScandal and Grey's seem to have risen this week while Elementary and Parenthood looks like they might reach new series low.
ReplyDeleteI don't care about Wonderland's ratings because season 1 supposed to be one story with beginning, middle and end. So even it will be only one season this storyline will be finished no matter what.... and I am peace with that. So I am going to enjoy Wonderland until it will be finish.
ReplyDeleteYou're being too harsh on Reign,The Original is a spin-off of The Vampire Diaries(You expected Reign to do better than the spin-off?). Anyway, shame on The Vampire Diaries fans who didn't want to give it a chance. I'm not saying they should watch it, no matter what, but at least give it a chance.
ReplyDeleteThe household rating is 5.6, down only 7% from last weeks 6.0, which earned a 1.9. I would be surprised if the rating is below 1.7.
ReplyDeleteParenthood and P&R are wonderful shows.... to bad that NBC treat these so bad, putting Parks against TBBT was suicide, but I hope we still get final season... Also why NBC moved Parenthood from Tuesday, it was perfect there.... NBC's Thursdays sucks!
ReplyDeleteExactly Alexi,Vampire Diaries audience wouldn't even give it a chance.
ReplyDeleteThe CW will never, ever give up on TVD as a lead-in, will they? Apparently, it's beyond their comprehension that just because a show gets a lot of viewers doesn't guarantee the show that comes on after will retain them. IMO they should have either paired up TVD and The Originals as was originally expected, or tried to shift TVD to 9pm and premiere a new show at 8pm.
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to Fox last night?
ReplyDeleteIf next year is TVD's finale scene (assuming the actors don't want to sign for a 7th season) then I could see the CW moving TVD to Thursdays at 9PM next year and launch a new show, maybe even another TVD spin-off at 8PM. I don't think the Originals will be the only TVD spin-off, especially not now when it's proven successful, but they might wait with the 2nd spin-off until TVD ends.
ReplyDeleteThey aired sport instead of XFactor\Glee.
ReplyDeleteOh, tnx :)
ReplyDeleteEven after the salaries and license fees go up, the CW will milk the Vampire Diaries for all 10 seasons or so that it is worth in ratings. There's still enough room in the cast for some killing off to control costs.
ReplyDeleteThe difference between Reign & Beauty and The Beast is BATB viewing figures and likability went up and Reign will continue to decline.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry. Top 25 markets are going to be higher for ABC than CBS. When the other overnight markets are add, E will go up. Not sure by how much, but it won't finished at a 1.3.
ReplyDeleteI can't see Nina staying and I can't see TVD continuing without her. She is young, she has a potential of launching a film career, and it's gotta be hard to play two main characters on weekly basis.
ReplyDeleteI've never seen either shows so I can't comment on the quality of them but I think NBC figured that they weren't going to win those slots anyway so why not put shows that already had their core audience that would follow them anywhere than sacrifice newer ones.
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts exactly, I'm considering Once in Wonderland a mini-series and I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts.
ReplyDeleteI don't get the impression that Vampire Diaries fans have anything against the show, they just don't seem to really be interested in anything that comes on after TVD. I've heard people say they likely go online to talk about the episode.
ReplyDeleteBATB started off doing OK, didn't it? So if Reign is at that number it wouldn't be bad.
Their loss. I love The Vampire Diaries, too, and I'd always give at least one chance to the shows that follow it.
ReplyDeleteI gave up watching TVD because of Elena, she was far too whiny. I would actually give it another go if Elena was killed off. (My statement has nothing to do with Nina Dobrev, I actually like Katherine).
ReplyDeleteHow can you tell that the quality will decline?
ReplyDeleteNot sure where you are getting that BATB figures are going up. They have been on a steady decline since the pilot.
ReplyDeleteSee this chart
http://stvplus.com/show/248/Beauty-and-the-Beast#allep
I like Beauty and The Beast, but truth is it obtained 0.7 in the second episode(after the 1.2 start) and then the ratings were between 0.5 and 0.7.
ReplyDeleteI hope Beauty and the Beast get his spot back. It deserves a better spot as monday
ReplyDeleteToo bad for OUAT in Wonderland. It was a much better episode!
ReplyDeleteX Factor and Glee are both on a hiatus.
ReplyDeleteI don't think I will be checking it out :s
ReplyDeleteIt had its chance for an entire season. Why should the CW continue to give it such a prime spot if it doesn't have an audience of its own? Either it should be cancelled because it doesn't have it own audience or it should be able to stand on its own because it does.
ReplyDeleteI was about to make a huge comment about ratings having decline. Thanks for the chart, saved me the trouble.
ReplyDeleteI guess The CW over-hyped Reign.
ReplyDeleteJust because it hasn't worked yet, doesn't mean they should stop trying. That's like saying nothing should air after the voice, american idol, modern family, the big bang theory, etc. They have to keep trying. I admit that it is hard to understand what else they should put there other than a spin off. I think the secret circle (although I became a fan during the last run of episodes) would have worked if the show had strong male characters and if the show hadn't been so slow to catch on, as it was sampled and had compatibility. But that's besides the point that they have to keep trying. They can't be satisfied with a show that scores 0.4s and 0.5s after 1.2s lead in (Beauty, Circle)
ReplyDeleteThey say "charts speak louder than words".
ReplyDeleteI think those top25 numbers are probably deflated. While I have been expecting Elementary to decline a lot, I don't believe it would have such a huge drop all of the sudden.
ReplyDeleteNeither Beauty or Circle score 0.4s behind Vampire Diaries
ReplyDeleteI agree, it's strange that all 3 CBS comedies will get back-orders with two other midseason comedies waiting. But maybe they are not invested at all in those comedies? Or maybe they will launch one in the summer? I don't think it would be such a bad idea to program one serious hour of comedy in the summer (not burnoff!) like TBBT Repeats /New Comedy, could work.
ReplyDeleteTCO and The Millers will definitely get a back order. Mom will probably;y get one too just because of Chuck Lorre.
ReplyDeleteElementary was already declining last year. This could have accelerated it, but the show was already underperformed last year, CBS didn't have to protect it forever.
ReplyDeleteActually you're right, I am sorry. Still, my point still stands with 0.5s.
ReplyDeleteThose numbers for Elementary look iffy to me. I doubt it dropped that much (six tenths) over the week.
ReplyDeleteI dont care about what Marcs says, there wasnt any hype about Reign so given this rate I think is not bad, I loved it, and please stop the hating on the show, this is not historic drama, this is just entertainment this is Gossip Girl meets the Tudors ala CW so if you know what I mean and you like the concept watch it if not just move on and watch something else, I already have a filler for thursday's 9:00 pm slot after BATB was moved to Monday's :)
ReplyDeleteIf you were to chart them, Elementary's slide started with Scandal's surge. E has huge DVR lifts. CBS doesn't have to give up on it--they just need to try to promote it like a more serialized drama. They're still promoting it in a procedural box, and it's nothing like the other procedurals on CBS. CBS has to start getting more socially engaged and getting some of those viewers to watch E live. I think it still has potential for growth. Consider syndicating early. Netflix helped Scandal in a huge way.
ReplyDeleteI mean, Elementary will never get Scandal demo numbers. But it's too soon to write Elementary off. Look at NCIS and TBBT. Both of those shows had huge gains after syndication.
I seriously doubt those numbers will stand! In Scandal premiere I believe the early ratings were above 4 and the final numbers were 3.6...
ReplyDeleteAlso, none of CBS' other dramas have to go against Scandal-esque competition, either. That has to play into decision-making when coupled with what I think is a poor lead-in. It's not all about numbers. POI was just more compatible IMO.
ReplyDeleteIs there something wrong for the Scandal numbers?!
ReplyDeleteIs that right? Scandal 2.2? Holy inflated market numbers. Makes me feel slightly better about Elementary's number vs. baseball and all.
ReplyDeleteScandal 3.3
ReplyDeleteWhy would you say that? Thats your point of view, I think a lot of young people will tune in to Reign for me this show is based in 1500's with lots of modern twists which is very likeable to young audiences. I had the same effect as when I watch BATB pilot with Reign, I really loved it and to be honest I watched it because I love period dramas, but this has a twist doesnt have the boredom or politness of period drama piece and Im a BATB and 39 yrs old fan not a teenage girl.....and Im only looking for 1 hour of pure entertainment and Reign gave me that a filler for my Thursdays night. :)
ReplyDeleteAh, saw it was fixed. 3.3 now.
ReplyDeleteOMG here we go again....hating much!!!! LOL
ReplyDeleteYeah, but for a moment it was 2.2.
ReplyDeleteWhy is posting a chart showing FACTS hate?
ReplyDeleteSeriously, please answer me.
Stop being so blinkered.
Yeah it was a typo, sorry.
ReplyDeleteElementary at 1.6. Ouch. I know baseball impacts CBS most, but gosh TAHM into Elementary is not a good fit. If they want to save it, they really should consider Monday. (Although I still think TM/TGW would be a better fit there.) Regardless, CBS must move Hostages to 10 p.m Sunday. It's not worth it.
ReplyDeleteNo, TGW only has to go against TWD-esque competition. Or NCIS:LA with The Voice-esque competition.
ReplyDeleteomg, TVD matched the highest rating NBC shows and wiped out the others, and beat ABC's OUATiw, does it ever happened that CW show ratings is ranked in the middle?
ReplyDeleteOuch at OUAT in Wonderland being beaten up by both TVD and Parks! ABC must be really dissapointed.
ReplyDeleteApart from TBBT (which I expect to be adjusted up), all other CBS comedies rose. Surprising.
ReplyDeleteNBC comedy also rose, except TMJFS.
Big drop for OUATiW. Ouch.
They have their selves to blame, putting it in The Death Slot.
ReplyDeleteReign was hugely promoted compared to the promotion for other cw shows but not compared to the promotion other networks do. I'm pretty sure reign will drop alot next week and fall to around 0.4. However if it can manage to stabilize around 0.7 it will be better than beauty and the beast and HOD.
ReplyDeleteI bet the CW are partying with champagne bottles now. 4 shows with 1.0 and above, two more with 0.8. This was a good week for them and I hope it continues.
ReplyDeleteYou scared the crap out of me for that one but I guess we all make mistakes. You might be the cause for a heart attack, though.
ReplyDeleteHa lol :)
ReplyDeleteLOL, TGW and TWD do not pull from the same viewer pot, I don't think. To me, the huge DVR lifts for Elementary shows that people are watching, but prioritizing. Not saying it's a mitigator, really. I'm just saying that maybe it's too soon for CBS to give up on Elementary. I think schedule tweaking might be in order.
ReplyDeleteshowcasing a shows ratings has nothing to do with hate. Beauty and the Beast doesen't hold its numbers, that's a fact. There ain't no emotions in that statement, you on the other hand are getting overly defensive
ReplyDeleteMonday isn't a bad slot at all, it's the first night of the week and there's not much big competition there.
ReplyDeleteBe happy they renewed it for a second season, because that actually came as a surprise to me last season
It's only the first months of the season, one of the new show is bound to bomb.
ReplyDeleteBeauty and the Beast has a strong fan following but it has horrible ratings the last two weeks its ratings have been 0.3. If it was on any other network would would have been cancelled already. Its not a question of whether its good or bad, tons of great shows get cancelled because no one watches them. 9pm Thursday behind TVD is a easy spot for the cw to have its 6th sucessful show and should be given to a show that can actually pull in the ratings like the 100 or a new show next year. Beauty and the beast should be cancelled with carrier diaries.
ReplyDeleteCW promoted it very much fore their standards.
ReplyDeleteElementary and Scandal don't have that much in common either, so.
ReplyDeleteHow is he "hating" the show? He just posted a graph of it's ratings?
ReplyDelete*rolls eyes*
Dang. TVD Jumped this week. It beat both ABC and NBC in the demo for the hour.
ReplyDeleteI don't think so, but to me the big L+3 numbers show that these people are doing something else at 10pm. If it was just sleeping, you'd think every 10pm drama would jump 4.2 million viewers, or whatever. Last week E ended up beating Scandal in viewers. I know that means next to zero, but I think there's definite overlap there.
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding? on monday at 8pm: The Voice and How I Met Your Mother and Dancing With The Starts and Bones(Ok, these two aren't big, but still have acceptable ratings), so poor Hart of Dixie, and at 9m: The Voice, Sleepy Hollow, Dancing with the stars, 2 Broke Girls(the same thing I said before).
ReplyDeleteI agree about the renewal, it wasn't certain and the rating of 0.3 is way too low.
doubt that.
ReplyDeleteSupernatural drawing good numbers is a no-brainer, TVD is constantly declining if I'm correct, Arrow is also trying hard to keep its head above water and The Originals has just started so the numbers can't really rise anymore unless they pull some brilliant casting stunt.
Last year they had a reason to celebrate with Arrow being their break-out hit but this year most of their numbers are merely solid
And considering that Tomorrow People and Reign as the networks new shows have been underperforming (well...we can't really say that they're doing good, or can we ?) they might actually be preparing to see some heads roll over there.
I think Supernatural/Originals keeping their heads up agains Shield and NCIS is the only reason they're poppin up champaign bottles
I think TCO and Mom will get back orders because they have decent ratings and are starting to kick up writing wise. The Millers most likely as well cause of the ratings it gets thanks to BBT
ReplyDeleteI'm a BatB fan but I have to agree that there is no hate and that the facts speak for themselves. I like the show and I would want more people to watch but I never question the facts
ReplyDeleteI think BatB does well internationally for The CW so which is why I think it could stick around but then again I don't even think that matters.
ReplyDeleteThey were hoping it would kill the death slot (oh the irony)
ReplyDeleteAnd instead the death slot killed it.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I am a fan and really want it to survive, but I don't see the hate either.
ReplyDeleteArrow's demo average for the first two season 2 episodes is only .05 off from their season one average. Saying the show is "trying hard to keep its head above water" is a complete misrepresentation.
ReplyDeleteno offence but HOD wasnt getting any promotion compared to Reign and had a solid 0,7-0,8 in its 1st year... better than HOD? l dont think Gossip Girl in somewhat 16th century *laugh* is better... at least HOD makes me laugh because its funny and not because it's soo ridiculous... but maybe i'm simply too old for this show... it's a show for teenagers and l don't think women in their late 20s, 30s and 40s ( 18-49 demo) will care too much about an inaccurate portrayal of Mary Queen of Scots who seem like she's been copied and pasted from Gossip Girl
ReplyDeleteLast year they only had three shows above 1.0 and two hovering around 0.6, the rest were TCD, Emily Owens, Gossip Girl, 90210, Nikita, Cult all hovering around 0.3 or worse.
ReplyDeleteThis year they have four shows above 1.0 and two middling performers at 0.8 instead of 0.6. Only HoD and BatB are doing poorly. I would say the CW is pretty happy at the moment. Whether everything holds up over time is a different story.
So, The Vampire Diaries: 2.84 mln viewers, rating of 1.3 and sharing of 4.
ReplyDeleteReign 2.0 mln viewers, rating of 0.8 and sharing of 2. Now I think it's a good start, after all.
These are times where almost everything goes down and the new series aren't received well(results).
I think the reason TVD does so well is because it's in the 8 pm slot, the 9 pm slot has a lot of competition. But maybe they should fiddle with it to see if that's the case or not.
ReplyDeleteI've got to admit that I totally forgot that 90210 and Gossip Girl ever existed.
ReplyDeleteThey don't have any numbers that look like a break out hit like Arrows did last year (it's overall season rating aside), weren't they somewhere at 1.9 at some point ?
This year their best rated shows are around 1.1, wich is simply average
You and I have different thoughts, like, totally. How can 1.1 be average?
ReplyDelete0.6 probably is, but still it saved both Hart of Dixie and Beauty and The Beast last season. 1.1 is good, 1.4 is amazing. Remember it's the CW, and it isn't available almost in the whole USA like the big four broadcast channels.
1.1 is average if you ask me, even for theCW. A 2.0 would be a hit right now.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason the 0.6 kept B&B and Hart of Dixie around was because it was because they couldn't cancel 40% of their line-up.
Beauty and the Beast has an awesome fandom all over the world. The ratings are low because just USA is counting, but we are on Showcase in Canada already on Sunday. Everybody is watching a stream or someting in the USA instead wait till Monday to watch it live. The second season is already even so much better than the first, so it shouldn't be cancelled because of some haters. It has a lot of potensial.
ReplyDeletelol reign is not a period drama.... u should loo up a definition... wait let me do that for u:
ReplyDelete"A costume drama or period drama is a period piece in which elaborate costumes, sets and properties are featured in order to capture the ambience of a particular era."
in that case Reigns fails on too many levels: COSTUMES ARE WRONG, CHARACTERS ARE WRONG, MUSlC lS WRONG, SCENOGRAPHY lS WRONG, LANGUAGE USED lS WRONG, THE FACTS!!! ARE WRONGS...
To be honest l don't really know what category Reign falls under but it sure ain't period drama or even
Not much big competition? Do you sleep on mondays? There is sleepy hollow and the voice as far as I know (I am german) It has a second season because we are a big fandom and the show is awesome and we will keep fighting, so we will get a Third Season, not carrying about haters, who doesn't even watch more than one or two episodes. The show is growing and the second season is even better than the first. Just many kind of like to hate on it, what I can't understand. Last season shows from CW did bad at Monday to, so yes, it is a very bad slot with hard competition.
ReplyDeleteIt has his audience ALL over the world. The problem ist that we don't count in this stupid ratings.
ReplyDeleteYou have a reason to dislike The CW? it's not an attack, but seriously facts are facts, Supernatural obtained a rating of 1.2 last week and it's been considered a successful season debut, even by the critics, and you're telling me a 2.0 would be a hit right now? take a look at the results of the others network, the majority of programs is falling. So why you have so high expectations?
ReplyDeleteSleepy Hollow and The Voice reels in a completely different audience. If Sleepy Hollow was up agains Supernatural you could talk valid competition. But B&B is in the sci-fi/action genre while Sleepy Hollow is Mystery/Horror.
ReplyDeleteWhat does this mean for Elementary? Anything? Nothing? Too early? Should CBS be panicking or is it the Scandal effect? Do they have another show that'd do better in the same slot?
ReplyDeleteCome on NBC, cancel Welcome to the Family already so Community can come back!
ReplyDeleteI'm actually starting to think the only way to break the Deathslot curse on ABC is for TBBT to end but it's gonna be a couple more years until then.
ReplyDeleteGrey's Anatomy hits a series low. A 2.6 with 5 episodes into the season? Maybe it is time to call it quts...
Good for Scandal, TVD & The Crazy Ones for being up from last week.
Still I know that a lot like both shows and then don't know what to watch. Just because I like #BatB I love shows, like walking dead, Falling Skies, Arrow, .... too. So it still is a competition because humans are not like "I just watch sci-fi but so I dislike Horror". Btw there is a lot of Mystery in the second season of BatB too.
ReplyDeletewhy not switch once upon time in wonderland with revenge....it will help the ratings no???
ReplyDeletenot questioning that still if you have your preferences and priorities straight you'll choose between the show that is easier to appease you. Wich for sci-fi/action/romance fantatics will clearly be B&B.
ReplyDeleteThe reason this show doesen't draw in too many viewers isn't the competition tough, I guess we'll have to admit that the audience for such a show just ins't there.
It lost the classic fans that expect Perlman to show up (if you haven't watched his B&B show yet: watch it), it lost some sci-fi/action fans because of the heavy focus on romance and vice versa PLUS it's on theCW wich is branded a 'teen network'.
The competition isn't what's killing B&B it's the lack of audience.
btw. I ment mystery in terms of 'supernatural events' so far most in B&B is scientific.
I hate to see a show fail... but damnit I'd love to get Community back asap.
ReplyDeleteI was agreeing that Reign is heavily promoted for a cw show it got way more promotion than tomorrow people.
ReplyDeleteI was saying Reign on cw compared to (another new show on a different network) say Betrayal on ABC wasn't over promoted.
I never wanted them to pick up Reign I wanted the tomorrow people, the 100 and the selection. I haven't watched Reign yet i'm not pro or con reign but i'm in my 20s and am going to wtach the pilot. Personally HOD was good season 2 but season 1 and season 3 are boring.
I was simply saying that if Reign can hold ratings around 0.7 it will be doing good because last year Beauty and the Beast got renewed with 0.6 and carrie diaries was really low too. This year HOD has 0.4 and BB has 0.3.
Whichever genius decided to move POI to tuesday should be given an award for ruining one show (Elementary) and reducing ratings of other show (POI)
ReplyDeletenot at all, look at my profile pic...a CW character ;) (as a Supernatural, Originals, Nikita, Vampire Diaries and Arrow watcher + someone that grew up with the network considering that Smallville was my holy grail trough my youth I can't say that I hate it)
ReplyDeleteI like theCW and am fascinated by it
I'll admit my 2.0 expecations are way too high for the CW. Let's call a 1.5 a hit. The only new show coming close to that is still Originals with 1.1
Tomorrow People and Reign are far from that, the classic 'well it didn't succeed....but it didn't fail....so it must be a success' mentality is one theCW can't afford. It has two further shows up its pipeline for midseason (3 if you add Nikita to that) that COULD proove to be a bigger success than any of their newer shows.
One of their new dramas will eventually bite the dust
Yeah, I recognized him and I loved Smallville :)
ReplyDeleteSo far, The Originals is the CW new show that obtained the best result, but we have to wait, the season is long and I hope The CW will have a good season, I think it deserves it: 3 nights with the average of at least 0.8 would be good for me, but the higher the better ^^
I hope in good results(I don't say great 'cause it's a difficult time for tv and I'd prefer to be surprised in a positive way) for the 2 midseason new series and for the farewell season of NIkita :)
I reallt think they should have put Vampire Diaries in the latter slot as well since history has shown that it is not a good lead-in, even with great ratings. I'd like to see how it would do if the CW flipped the schedule even for a trial period.
ReplyDelete8 pm slot airs tbbt which is network's highest rated show.how much competition do u want? and what do u think will happen if a new show on cw goes up against tbbt?
ReplyDeleteThe show is not growing in the demos, which is the problem. That's not hate. That's statistics. I agree that Monday has some big competition but most nights have shows that BatB would struggle to go up against. I hope BatB makes it to a fourth season because its fans a passionate, but TV is in the end a business.
ReplyDeleteI wish Arrow had 1.9, but the highest it got on L+SD was 1.3, and its highest L+7 was 1.7. This year no new show reached 1.3, true, but Nielsen also changed their measurements and each 0.1 ratings point now contain more viewers, so I guess we can say last year's 1.3 is this year's 1.2, and so they are not that far away.
ReplyDeleteI actually think there is more crossover with The Voice than Sleepy Hollow but we won't really know that until next week when Sleepy Hollow is on mini-hiatus. If BatB numbers jump then there may be a correlation.
ReplyDeleteProbably Reign. Still, currently they are over 10% ahead of where they were last year at the same time. That's not bad for the little struggling network.
ReplyDeleteTV is a business and the only thing that matters is how much advertisers are willing to pay for it. Ratings rarely have anything to do with the quality of a show (The Jersey Shore effect) but no excuses will keep BatB on the air if the ratings do not rise, no matter how vocal the online fandom. Again this has nothing to do with haters as you keep saying, It has to do with numbers.
ReplyDeleteThe highest Arrow ever did was a 1.3 in demo. The highest they did all last season was TVD premiere at a 1.6. No CW show is expected to hit a 2.0. That is currently unrealistic for the CW even if they would love to see it.
ReplyDelete2.0 would be a miracle on the CW. They have no expectation for any of their shows to do that. They would be ecstatic for any show to consistently hit a 1.5 demo at this time. I think you are confusing CW ratings with other networks.
ReplyDeleteI agree that one or two of the new shows will definitely be gone by next season and I have little hope for the midseasons given CW's track record. Still right now the CW is on a positive upswing, which is desperately needed given that most affiliate contracts are almost up.
ReplyDeleteSad but true and I am not saying it is the "haters" fault, just that it is sad, that there are even haters out there. Not everybody needs to like it but you don't need make it harder for the fans. And Monday is a hard day for Beauty and the Beast. Of course we want Thursday back, because it worked better (not saying that the ratings where good but a lot better!)
ReplyDeleteI don't know about that. They can't throw 0.8 rated shows out when the ones standing in line could get less easily. With the CW their expectations need to be kept loose.
ReplyDeleteEvry show has people rooting for it to fail. Shows with pasisonate, vocal fans have even more. I was a Supernatural fan in the lean times so I feel for BatB fans. However there are somethings that are just out of a fan's control. Ratings, outside of giving good reasons why new people should try the show, are unfortunately one of those things.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the CW don't look so bad now when considering the rest of the networks. NBC last week had 1.1 average on Thursday, there are barely shows at 3.0 and above and too many of the big 4 shows can't reach 2.0 either. I think the full picture gives The CW more chances now than they had the same time a year ago.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. NBC freefalling helps the CW look less pathetic. TVD beating or tying other shows in the ratings yesterday (well before any adjustments) is also pretty impressive as well. Mark Pedowitz has done good things for the network in a relatively short amount of time. Next year's spin-offs do sound promising as well.
ReplyDeleteStill I can't see a show premiering on a 0.8 doing so well in the long run, not even for theCW
ReplyDeletebut I'm generally pessimistic
It is widely assumed that the revenues from international sales are very small when compared to ad-revenues and syndication revenues, I honestly doubt such thing makes a difference. I see cases in which Beauty and the Beast is renewed for a Friday, but not because of that.
ReplyDeleteYou were clearly right ;)
ReplyDeleteYou know, curiosity was actually higher than me and I checked out the pilot. It was ok, but too cheesy for me I think and I felt it was a bit too childish and predictable most of the time. I was a bit let down. But I actually trust your opinion on these, so do you think the second episode is worth checking out? I don't mind rolling with this one even if it ends up dead because it appears to be a self contained season, so we should get a proper ending
ReplyDeleteIt's almost like a mirage. I'm guessing the suits at The CW are crossing their fingers and hoping it doesn't drop right back down to the premiere levels next week.
ReplyDeleteIt's very strange how much all 8pm show grew. The Originals jumped 0.2, Arrow jumped 0.2, TVD jumped 0.3. This is unprecedented for the cw as far as I remember. Maybe the local lead-in was something better? Maybe just the combination of a more friendly and cohesive network?I don't know. Whatever it was, I will happily take it as I love all 3 shows (and the tomorrow people!)
ReplyDeleteI do think the second episode is a lot better, simply because Jafar brings the darker aspects that OUAT has to the episode. It's hard to describe the Red Queen, because she's kind of odd, but she has some Rumple-like traits...The second episode still has some of that childish aspects, but I think it's still a more fun episode.
ReplyDeleteNot really is not about "quality" only I just like to comment on underdog shows that I like. Its not always quality since my likes in showsis wide, from the walking dead, misfits,
ReplyDeleteOk I think I will give it a try then, since I have already watched the first one anyway. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteI am not as confident that Tomorrow People would succeed after Vampire Diaries nor am I confident that Secret Circle wouldn't have lasted longer had it premiered before VD. I do however agree that both shows have their issues. I think your reasoning is sound for most networks and to be sure, the CW has done the time slot no favors by putting Reign there. However, the CW is notorious for doing better with the affiliate reruns than any CW programming so actually the earlier slot has a better lead-in than the second, encouraging higher sampling. In St. Louis, the lead-in is Big Bang Theory and 2.5 Men reruns, which did so much better than CW programming that our station actually runs the news in the first slot and then the CW shows.
ReplyDeleteSince nothing has worked after VD, I think they could risk a trial period of putting VD on in the later spot. If VD fans do not follow it to the later spot, they can switch back like they did with Nikita. For me I would start by running a rerun of VD in the first slot and then a new VD in the second for a couple of weeks. Then transition a midseason show in place of the reruns. It would be a good way to judge whether the VD audience will follow it into the harder timeslot and give new shows a better place to launch. Basically the CW has a little bit of wiggle room right now to try a couple new things. I think Mark Pedowitz has done a good job with changing the focus and I would liek to see him take a few more risks with the schedule. Already putting Originals with Supernatural was a bold move. We'll see how it works come spring. Making a slight time switch to VD is the next logical move to me.
This is partly my reasoning as well. When the affiliates' reruns score higher than your original programming, you need to rethink the typical network schedule. I don't see The Big Bang Theory cutting too much into either of VD or Reign's audience so I don't think it would be a significant factor. I also think VD's audience is largely loyal, and like Supernatural's, would move with the show. They aren't using that factor to their advantage to help new shows.
ReplyDeleteI am actually encouraged by CBS putting Under the Dome in the summer. I feel like we are going to see more of that on other networks as well since it worked. I would very much like to see a new comedy debut of the summer. Perhaps Wonderland would have done better then too.
ReplyDeleteI think ABC should have tried Wonderland out in the summer where it would have little competition and room to grow.
ReplyDeleteI don't think they have much to lose by trying a schedule flip with VD. I feel like the core VD fans are an awful lot like Supernatural fans. They will follow their shows wherever it goes. However, they won't know if that is the case unless they try it. If it works, then they suddenly have a lot more wiggle room to play with in their schedule.
ReplyDeleteWhile TBBT has a lot of viewers for sure, it doesn't necessarily mean that it has the same viewers as all shows. By counterprogramming the night, the CW could do quite nicely there. I mean realistically it does not take much for a show to become a CW hit.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, I think we are going to see more serious summer stuff this year which is a very good thing IMO. Regular season is too packed as it is and there is plenty of room during summer
ReplyDeleteThis year seems particularly bad with show overcrowding, I think because I am interested in more new shows than usual. If they would have held a couple back, it would have made summer viewing more enjoyable. As it is now, my summer consists of USA Network shows and other cable selections. I wish some of the cancelled shows (read Welcome to the Family) would air over the summer instead where the competition for viewers would be more relaxed.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. I am having an insane time catching up with all my shows (and I am not caught up with all my shows by any means). It's insane. I actually had quite some summer viewing already between Suits, Covert Affairs, Under the Dome, The Newsroom, Falling Skies, True Blood, Dexter and The Killing, it used to be much worse, but still it's a pretty low count compared to the ridiculously overpacked normal season. What tends to happen though is that during the last years I turned some shows in summer shows. Bones, Hart of Dixie and part of Castle are examples of shows I've done this in the last two years. And I use to catch up on new shows (which only adds to the number of shows that I then watch in the regular season lol, thus becoming a terrible snowball effect ahah)
ReplyDeleteThis season is killing me too. Plus I'm in a new job location so I have less time to watch. I too am pushing some shows off to summer to leave room. Castle and Supernatural being the biggest, but I can see 3-4 other shows (probably Tomorrow People after I substitute review and Dracula) falling that way too. Although, like you said, summer is starting to get crazy as well. I also think some of the shows I am watching are going to be cancelled early along with Welcome to the Family, so that should help. I love TV but there is simply no way I can watch everything people recommend to me (Homeland, The Americans, AHS, Hawaii 5-O) and the ones I do watch over the summer, like you, snowball into fall. One day someone is going t apy me to watch TV. :-P
ReplyDeleteAhah I understand you. I also want to watch what people recommend me but there is no time to add new shows that have a lot of seasons at the moment for me. As for the cancelled shows, I tend to avoid those and only start watching if it becomes clear it has a decent shot of sticking around, or at least a full season. I usually watch the pilot anyways to get an idea of the show but then I stop eve if I like it to see how ratings are heading. I am still burned sometimes from newbies that collapse later in the season, (i.e. Go On last season), from shows I simply watch regardless of the ratings and by sophomores that collapse, but overall I fee that it helps a lot with loosing shows to have this rule.
ReplyDeleteThis actually sounds like a good idea or maybe move it to ABCF
ReplyDeleteHaha I have a feeling for this kind of thing. After years of analysis and stuff
ReplyDeleteIf it's doing so well in Canada, I think the fans should rally and hope Showcase picks it up if the CW cancels it rather than using their passion to troll and bully people during the ratings news
ReplyDeleteThat's a good idea too. The overabundance of the true love theme would play nicely there I think.
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