Today's Early Overnight Ratings
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Metered Market Thursday Ratings
CBS Wins; “Glee” Remembers Cory Monteith; NBC Collapses
Thursday 10/10/13
Metered Market Results
Household
Rating/Share
CBS 7.2/12
ABC 5.6/ 9
Fox 5.1/ 8
NBC 2.4/ 4
CW 1.4/ 2
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-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Thursday 10/11/12:
Note: The year-ago evening included the live Vice Presidential Debate between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan from 9-10:30 p.m. ET.
CBS: +12, Fox: + 9, ABC: + 6, CW: -39, NBC: -44
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-Winners:
“The Big Bang Theory” (CBS), “Grey’s Anatomy” (ABC), “Glee” (Fox), “Scandal” (ABC)
-Honorable Mention:
“The Millers” (CBS), “The Crazy Ones” (CBS), “Two and a Half Men” (CBS)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“Once Upon a Time in Wonderland” (ABC). “Parks and Recreation” (NBC), “Welcome to the Family” (NBC), “Sean Saves the World” (NBC), “The Michael J. Fox Show” (NBC), “Parenthood” (NBC)
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-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS remains the network to beat in the Thursday overnights with a 29 percent advantage over No. 2 ABC last night. Third-place Fox got a boost care of the Cory Monteith tribute episode on “Glee,” but NBC fell off the charts and “The Vampire Diaries” has lost steam on The CW.
“Glee” rose to a 5.3 rating/8 share (#3) in the overnights at 9 p.m., which bested the week-ago telecast (3.1/ 5 on Oct. 3) by a hefty 71 percent. And it built from “The X Factor” at 8 p.m. (#3: 4.8/ 8) by 10 percent. Set several weeks after Finn’s passing, last night’s episode of “Glee” was a touching farewell to an actor who is gone way too soon.
In series-premiere news, fantasy drama “Once Upon a Time in Wonderland” on ABC opened with an anemic 3.6/ 6 in the overnights at 8 p.m. Comparably, that finished a distant third in the hour and 23 percent below failed year-ago time period drama “Last Resort” (4.7/ 7 on 10/11/12).
“The Big Bang Theory” on CBS topped the night, as always, with an 11.1 rating/19 share at 8 p.m. And that led into an also dominant 7.4/12 for episode two of “The Millers” at 8:30 p.m. which was 11 percent below its week-ago series-opener (but on par with former occupant “Two and a Half Men” on the year-ago evening). Retention for “The Millers” out of “The Big Bang Theory” was modest, however, at 67 percent.
Overnight leadership in the 9 p.m. half-hour was tied between week three of sitcom “The Crazy Ones” on CBS and the first half of “Grey’s Anatomy” on ABC, each with a 6.4/10. Comparably, “The Crazy Ones” dipped by 15 percent from the week two telecast (7.5/12) with the three week overnight track as follows: 10.6/16 – 7.5/12 – 6.4/10. Obviously, “The Crazy Ones” faced increased competition from “Glee” (as did the rest of the competition). But unless it settles in now (and this is still a respectable performance), CBS could have a potential problem here.
“Two and a Half Men” on CBS at 9:30 p.m. was compatible with “The Crazy Ones,” with a second-place 6.1/10 in the overnights. But the combination of the two is notably below last season’s time period occupant, “Person of Interest” (which is now not as strong Tuesday at 10 p.m.).
“Elementary” capped off the night for the Eye net with a second-place 6.0/10, which was nine percent below competing “Scandal” on ABC (6.6/10). “Scandal’s” advantage over “Elementary” in the young adult demos will be considerably higher, no doubt. And aforementioned lead-in “Grey’s Anatomy” won the 9 p.m. hour in the overnights at an 11 percent loss from one week earlier (7.3/12 on Oct. 3).
Elsewhere, NBC took an enormous hit for the evening with a loss of 23 percent in the overnights from one week earlier and a distant fourth-place finish from 8-10 p.m. “Parks and Recreation” opened with a 2.3/ 4 at 8 p.m., which was 15 percent below year-ago occupant “30 Rock” (2.7/ 4 on 10/11/12). And it was notably worse at 8:30 p.m. with week two of sitcom “Welcome to the Family” at a mere 1.9/ 3, which was 27 percent below its DOA results one week earlier (2.6/ 4 on Oct. 3) and 21 percent below failed year-ago occupant “Up All Night” (2.4/ 4 on 10/11/12). Tick, tock…the cancellation clock is ticking.
At 9 p.m., week two of NBC’s “Sean Saves the World” slipped to a 2.3/ 4, which was down by a hefty 38 percent from its week-ago debut (3.7/ 6 on Oct. 3). And week three (and episode four) of “The Michael J. Fox Show” was only slightly higher at a series-low 2.5/ 4 at 9:30 p.m. Four-week overnight track for “The Michael J. Fox Show”: 5.4/ 9 – 5.2/ 8 – 3.8/ 6 – 2.5/ 4.
Relocated “Parenthood” closed the night for NBC with a series-low 2.6/ 5 at 10 p.m.
Over at The CW, “The Vampire Diaries” scored a 1.8/ 3 in the overnights at 8 p.m., which was 22 percent below the 2.3/ 4 on the year-ago evening. And it led into a 1.0/ 2 for a repeat of spin-off “The Originals” at 9 p.m.
Source: Nielsen Media Research
Source: Marc Berman@tvmediainsights
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Am I the only one who actually likes Sean saves the world and the Michael J Fox?
ReplyDeleteOuch Wonderland,not a very good start..
ReplyDeleteABC can''t be happy about Wonderland, they should have stayed with the original plan to air it during OUAT hiatus.
ReplyDeleteOuch at Wonderland... I actually thought it had a shot at breaking that slot issue. Damn it, I wanted to watch it, now I am not so sure I will. There is a chance his numbers are completely off as it happens sometimes, but doesn't look like it.
ReplyDeleteI love ONCE but the spin-off looked horrible.
ReplyDeleteWhy? So it could go against the golden globes, the nfl, etc? If the original once upon a time could not go through that last year ,why would a brand new show be able to?
ReplyDeleteHow do you think Scandal fared?
ReplyDeleteSo, it at least looks like Elementary is keeping steady. Not great numbers, but the lead-in is awful. It could be doing much worse. CBS 10pms have really suffered with all this shifting around.
ReplyDeletenope i like them too
ReplyDeleteAt least it would have linked with its parent show, the slot its in now is the death slot.
ReplyDeleteGood but looking at the numbers they probably wont survive their first season. Too bad.
ReplyDeleteYeah,while i didn't find it horrible i was disappointed with the show.It had a few good scenes,i'll see how it goes...
ReplyDeleteHow would it have linked if OUAT would have been on hiatus? There is probably no greater dead slot in network TV than Sundays during awards season which is right where you wanted to put it. Even ABC recognized that they had to go with reality filler during that period. OUAT was the top rated broadcast drama in some weeks during fall, for sure top5 almost every week and it completely collapsed during awards season. No new show would be able to survive there. The fact that it is dying here doesn't change that.
ReplyDeleteI can't tell from these numbers but I would guess that it is down from the massive premiere but still very much dominating. It should be ABC's number one show of the week and it should beat Grey's, which should be depressed from going against inflated Glee. Just guesses though.
ReplyDeleteThis doesn't look good look for Wonderland. Unless it's whole audience is in the 18-49 demographic, I'm afraid it's probably a goner. I'll be crossing my fingers so that it skews young, but I don't hold much hope
ReplyDeleteDamn. Once Upon a Time in Wonderland was great.
ReplyDeleteCBS has to be kicking itself, no? 2.5 Men is not performing well, demo or no. POI did way better in the slot. They essentially weakened two nights, hindering potential growth for Elementary and making POI go backward--and I think the only reasons E's numbers slid last year was them front-loading the front half and then subjecting E to two multi-week breaks, which killed its momentum. Five weeks in a row off is a long time for a freshman drama.
ReplyDeleteI'm not a fan of Glee, but I'm glad it did well last night.
ReplyDeleteSame here
ReplyDeleteAnd the Death Slot strikes again at ABC.
ReplyDeleteLots of losers today, owing to NBC.
Before I say anything, just for the record, I am a fan of Person of Interest and I do not watch Two and a Half Men, although I have been watching and enjoying The Crazy Ones.
ReplyDeleteLast year, in its last 3 episodes, Person of Interest got a 2.4. It had clearly declined from its fall/winter numbers and people comparing the numbers the comedies are pulling in that time with the numbers it pulled last fall makes no sense. Most shows (I would say about 90%) return to a level close to where their finales landed, not where their premieres landed! There are exceptions such as shows that change situation (change lead-in, change competition), shows that had a huge cliffhanger (Grey's Anatomy plane crash last year, SVU this year, TVD Elena becomes a vampire last year) or shows that have legitime organic growth (Scandal, The Big Bang Theory). However, the way it goes in about 90% of the cases outside of these I've mentioned is: Premiere Ratings > Spring ratings from last year > Fall ratings > Spring ratings from this year. It is extremely unlikely that POI would have been pulling the high 2s it was pulling a year ago in this slot.
Last week (I am taking out the first week because of big bang inflated numbers), the comedies averaged around a 2.7 for the slot. It is highly doubtful that POI would have been able to perform at this number, since there is no case of organic growth or else it would have shown on Tuesday. Most likely, POI would pull something like a 2.4/2.5. However, even if that is the level the comedies level off for the fall, you have to consider that CBS is gaining elsewhere. POI is improving on the numbers that any newbie (or the pair of comedies if you want to put it that way) would get at Tuesday at 10! So it is a net gain.
As for Elementary, the show didn't hit anything higher than 2.0 in its last episodes last year. With POI as lead-in. So why are you saying that it is performing at a lower level since it doesn't have POI when it is performing at the exact same level? The effect there is zero.
For CBS, it goes like this:
Net Gain = Gain on Tuesday + Gain on Thursday - Loss on Elementary = 0.3/0.4 (it's a guess but looking at hostages, a good one) + 0.1/0.2 - 0 = 0.4/0.6. CBS is gaining.
I thought Wonderland had a shot at working to be honest. However, I did say last year that ABC's best show is a low profile, not high stakes procedural show there that does a solid, albeit unspectacular job, i.e. another Castle. I thought they could have picked up something like the female skewing Murder in Manhattan for that slot last year.
ReplyDeleteAlso, even if the situation evolves in a such a way that it becomes clear that the losses are higher than the gains, I would still say it was a worthy move as there was a good upside potential, so they ought to try. It had some degree of risk, but it is a calculated one, worth trying, even if the end result is not what they hoped for (as opposed to a move like, let's say, give the post HIMYM slot to We Are Men which we all knew it would fail)
ReplyDeleteYeah, that does make sense. I just remember them saying at TCAs that Elementary was on a 12% growth track similar to POI and it makes me a little sad to not see real evidence of growth when the show should be growing. I think the lead-in was much more compatible when it was POI, although Elementary is showing good retention from 2.5 Men overall. I worry for E. It's such a fantastic show, and I fear leaving it in place will lead to an early demise. Should CBS just be happy that it's not bleeding out against Scandal? I know they haven't cancelled a second-year drama in six seasons, that they own it, that it films in NY and is cheaper. All good things. Is there potential for it to still become a hit? At what point do networks chalk it up to a Friday show, or whatever?
ReplyDeleteI loved Wonderland last night. I don't know why they don't can Betrayal and put Wonderland after OUAT, and push Revenge back to 10pm.
ReplyDeleteI actually don't despise that idea but then the problem is that if Wonderland goes down, so does Revenge most likely. Also, I think they prefer to have something with some hope airing thursdays at 8 than sundays at 10. Sundays at 10 is a dead slot at this point, thursdays at 8 is more high profile IMO.
ReplyDeleteABC was heavily promoting OUATIW, hoping it would succeed in the Death Slot, but despite all that, it failed.
ReplyDelete1.7 :S Damn it... Unless it is an exceptional retainer week to week it is a goner. I think Nashville just got renewed.
ReplyDeleteAlso, welcome to NBC people, I don't even have comments for that horrible horrible mess. I think Revolution juts got drastically increased its renewal chances. It is self starting at a level way higher than any Thursday show. Poor Parenthood. I was really convinced the move to Thursdays was a good idea.
NOOO! Wonderland! :( Ugh, ABC just can't catch a break with this stupid death slot. I'm upset now.
ReplyDeleteWhere are the ratings for welcome to the family? I'm sure it did horrible but still
ReplyDeleteI actually thought that it got pulled and that I had missed the announcement.
ReplyDeleteWish The CW wasn't pre-empted :(
ReplyDeleteOh I didn't know it was. That explains it then, I was shocked with the repeat ratings for the originals. The entire night or just at 9pm?
ReplyDeleteSorry, I missed them.
ReplyDeleteThey are there now.
Looks like it will be the next show cancelled.
Wow, Originals (repeat) getting twice as much (ratings) as both BatB and HoD premiere.
ReplyDeleteWhat exactly does pre-emption mean?
ReplyDeleteSee the comment below. Apparently it was preempted so those ratings are not real.
ReplyDeleteTVD was pre-empted in NY only I believe.
ReplyDeleteFootball aired on The CW affiliate in NYC (big market, eek) and will air the episodes at a later time. That means the ratings for the football were included in the TVD ratings and will be taken out in the final ratings later today.
ReplyDeleteThe CW didn't air in some markets, local stations programmes (most likely spots did), which means the ratings you see are the sum of the ratings for TVD and for those local pogrammes. In finals, they take out the ratings of the local programmes so we get the real ratings for the show.
ReplyDeleteyeah that's what I mean, but isn't NY a big market for them?
ReplyDeleteThose ratings are inflated, I believe.
ReplyDelete3.1 for Scandal. Five tenths down from the premiere. The Scandal haters are likely preparing themselves to attack the show. Oh well. Still the #1 drama for the night, #1 for ABC and a tie with Blacklist for #1 drama of the week (Without having a 4.6 lead-in) Sounds good to me.
ReplyDeleteNBC is just in shambles. They should think of a way to expand TV across the entire week. That seems to be the only way they can do anything about it.
CBS' expected.
FOX, massive uprising for Glee. Equally massive down next week.
Poor OUATIW too. Guess is destined to go down, too.
ReplyDeleteThe Blacklist didn't have a 4.6 lead in this week.
ReplyDeleteRevenge has a descent fanbase already, so I doubt the numbers would go down too much. Besides, it's almost guaranteed a renewal for syndication purposes. When Revenge originally aired it was in the 10pm time slot, and to be honest it's got far less competition in that time slot. Wonderland needs a lead in. The only other slot I would put it in would be on Tuesdays after Agents of Shield and move the comedies to a day that actually makes sense. I could never understand why they put two comedies after SHIELD...
ReplyDeleteIt sucks, I was hoping it would do well enough!
ReplyDeleteNBC has to give up on comedy for now, period. This is just impossible to turn around at this point.
ReplyDeleteNot surprised about Glee.. But didnt expect 1.9 for the x factor and 1.7 for wonderland. Ouch!
ReplyDeleteTBBT is a beast. The other CBS comedies did OK.
ReplyDeleteGrey's is stable as always, though Scandal beat it again.
NBC dud horribly, it will be pulling in The CW numbers soon.
OUATIW can only go down from here, I wonder what ABC will decide to do with the it. The best solution would be to change it's time slot.
Yeah, I thought The X Factor would do better because of the lead-in. But it actually did worse than last week.
ReplyDeleteI watch love revenge but if they move it to 10pm i switch from watching live to dvring. I think ABC knows the ratings will drop at 10pm which is why they left it at 9pm like last year. The last thing they need is to have Wonderland pull revenge down with it.
ReplyDeleteI adore Revenge to death but I don't think it would survive that as well as you are saying. This week it pulled a 1.9 out of a 2.6 lead-in at the higher viewed 9 pm hour. Even if Wonderland would pull let's say a 2.0 out of OUAT (which can fall itself!), then I doubt Revenge would be north of 1.5.
ReplyDeleteAlso, your argument that it is safe to be renewed actually works against it. Since they are keeping it next year for sure, they have to preserve its ratings as best as possible so that they can make it more profitable since they are sticking with it. It is therefore a higher priority than a new show which they just cancel (Wonderland beiing the case in point).
The tuesdays idea is not terrible but I don't think you would see improvement. Some people would not be able to know of the move and the competition there is quite fierce with the voice on the slot. Also, Shield is not stable yet. Also, what would you put thursdays at 8? What would you do with the golbergs? The reality is that there is little chance ABC is tempted to try it elsewhere if it flops here as it appears to be doing.
Where would you change it to? I just talked about it in a comment below but I don't think there is a good time-slot for it to go at this moment. Also, I think Grey's deserves credit for how well it hold up facing an inflated Glee. And I think The Crazy Ones felt by more than it should have; The Millers, on the other hand, felt less than I thought it would.
ReplyDeletePersonally I wish they would put subagory at 8:30 after big bang and fill 8:00 with another comedy. I don't know if it would work but maybe it they moved modern family they could draw huge viewers, or even modern family reruns.
ReplyDeleteI don't think ABC wants to risk bringing down their hit comedies by putting them against TBBT.
ReplyDeleteYes, it did. The Voice did a 4.6 in the finals.
ReplyDeleteNo, that's too risky. MF doesn't have the strength for that, especially if moved to unfamiliar timeslot. They would also have a wednesday problem if they did so. Comedies there are a bad idea. A drama is the right idea, they just have to find the right one.
ReplyDeleteMy bad, I was thinking about Tuesday's The Voice.
ReplyDeleteI really expected bigger numbers from Grey's and Scandal. I see Grey's lost viewers to last night's Glee tribute so I'm sure we'll see an increase in the 3 day play back. I think Grey's will be back in the 3s next week. I guess it's only natural for show ratings to fall after the premiere but glad to see Scandal is still holding strong. Glad to see The Millers holding in the 3s in their time slot. It really is a funny show.
ReplyDeleteThat's a tough decision. Maybe after SHIELD, since Trophy Wife is likely to be pulled soon.
ReplyDeleteGrey's has hit 2.8 and lower a couple of times, so yeah, I am not too worried about it.
I agree on the CBS comedies. The Millers wasn't particularly funny this week, thought anything after TBBT manages to get by. The Crazy Ones was really funny, but I think it fell because of Glee. I hope it rises next week and stabilizes in the high 2s.
The last sucessful show there was ugly betty in 2008. Since then they've had one failed drama after the other. They need something other than drama either comedies or reality show.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking people forget that networks now look at Live+7 Day Ratings, not Live+SD (Same Day). More people DVR now-a-days, so networks take that into consideration now.
ReplyDeleteSide note...I love Revenge and watch it every Sunday. So I'm not suggesting this because I hate the show.
Thursday at 8pm is a dead slot for any network because of TBBT. I knew when they put OUATIW in that slot that it was doomed. I would actually like to see what the final ratings are (Live + 7 Day) to see if it truly is a flop or not.
ReplyDeleteI think you're misunderstanding me, because you're response is so comprehensive and confrontational that I really don't care to argue. I love Revenge, so don't jump down my throat for a simple comment.
Poor Michael J Fox Show, it's a pretty solid show. Hopefully the Crazy Ones doesn't drop down farther.
ReplyDeleteDo you think that TVD and the Originals will be adjusted down?
ReplyDeleteIt's likely.
ReplyDeleteTrue but to be honest most of those dramas had terrible quality (Charlie Angels, Zero Hour), were totally inappropriate for the slot (make skewing last resort) or were not good shows for broadcast tv in general (missing). Flashforward showed it is possible to have a good rating there. The show just has to deliver. Had Flashforward delivered, it would have survived. I think comedies would be worse, look at NBC. They have yet to try a procedural here for instance.
ReplyDeleteI'm starting to believe that the thing with NBC and sitcoms are a curse made by the Community staff... Seeing these numbers i can see Community getting it's sixth season...after all, on season 4 it pulled 1.3s having already 4 Season for syndication xD
ReplyDeleteThe Big Bang Theory was adjusted up two tenths, The X Factor and Glee were each adjusted up a single tenth,while The Millers and The Vampire Diaries were each adjusted down a single tenth among adults 18-49 versus the preliminary Thursday broadcast ratings.
ReplyDeleteNot surprised with OUATiW.
ReplyDeleteBad timeslot + bad airtime + bad cgi + frantic pilot stuff = bad ratings.
Bye Bye Bye
ReplyDeleteSSTW
TMJF
WTTF
The Big Bang Theory & The X Factor & Glee Adjusted Up;
The Vampire Diaries & The Millers Adjusted Down
OUAT is already mess so I'm not surprised the spin off is also a mess.
ReplyDeleteABC will definitely move Wonderland before axing it. They put SO much promotion into that show, and it seems they are really investing to making a franchise. Half of Times Square is covered with promotion for it.
ReplyDeleteMaybe pairing it with OUaT on Sunday would've been a better move, just like I thought The CW should've paired TVD with The Originals instead of sending yet another show to crash and burn in their Thursday 9pm slot. It could've replaced Revenge, which didn't benefit at all from being moved to Sunday (although the erosion in its ratings last year probably has as much, if not more, to do with the show's quality than its timeslot).
ReplyDeleteThat would be one possible move. I disagree because I think sundays should be for reality or procedurals only, no serialized dramas, but that is a personal opinion. That, however, is not the same as having it work as bridge during OUAT hiatus, that would have been suicide.
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